Bush Gets Relected - 2004 Election

[bbbv3.5]

Well.....what do you have to say?? Cyber Protesters (HH).. Iwant to hear from you...


Well i know what your gonna say....Now we are all in trouble with 4 more years and bkah blah blah..yadayadayada....

SO basically i am rubbing it in everyone who tried to pursuade voters into voting for Kerry and I want tohear your thoughts about the election.

[DontBeAfraid]

The LCD in america is big.....

[Thor]

Well.....what do you have to say?? Cyber Protesters (HH).. Iwant to hear from you...


Well i know what your gonna say....Now we are all in trouble with 4 more years and bkah blah blah..yadayadayada....

SO basically i am rubbing it in everyone who tried to pursuade voters into voting for Kerry and I want tohear your thoughts about the election.

Well, America has spoken once again and the Kerry supporters can't say much except they lost. Despite huge media support from MOST of the media, the people voted their conscience. Interesting that morality was either number 1 or number 2 in importance to most voters in just about every state and Bush carried the vote. Says alot about where we are today and where most Americans are in their thinking. Throw out the left coast and the upper right coast and you have- America.

[Keeblergiant]

Eh, I'm glad Bush won...normally I would be siding with the libertarian party (I'm pretty much pro-choice on everything), but I feel that neither the libertarian party nor the democratic party have the necessary aggressiveness nor the necessary outlook in Iraq to make things over there any better. I think we should be more worried about setting up an active government and strong military over there before we leave (and I don't see that happening for a while), or else Iraq will turn into a terrorist breeding ground of sorts.

[Marajadex]

All I have to say is that this shows how seriously the nation is devided. The election was close. AND they are still counting hundreds of thousands of ballots. It will be a while before we know just how close the election was or wasn't.

[Emerald_Dragon]

>the necessary aggressiveness nor the necessary outlook in Iraq
>to make things over there any better.

ummm...the republicans got us into that mess in Iraq, using the WMDs, Al-Qaeda, bad dictator angle. [yay for cheap gas?!]

are we winning the war on terror as other rogue nations oppress their vanquished? [Israel-Palestine]
are we winning because we've made allies of gov'ts that oppress their own people? [Uzbeckistan]
have we prevented the spread of WMDs to terrorist groups? [Russia, NK]
have we prosecuted those responsible for 911? [OBL]
or did we promote them? [NORAD]


>SO basically i am rubbing it in everyone who tried to pursuade voters
>into voting for Kerry and I want tohear your thoughts about the election.

well, its a Democracy(:grin), and 51% is all it takes. the other 49% have to live with it. over 40 million voters didn't want W. over 40M did.

I believe it all comes down to education and society. all the rural and bible belt areas voted for W. All the city folk voted for Kerry. (Ex. W won Tx, but Kerry won its capitol)


>Despite huge media support from MOST of the media, the people voted their conscience.

IMO, the mass media backed W. sure, there were Kerry ads. But it was more the commentary and opinions that gave me that impression. Even while watching the tallying of the votes, i sensed it was pro-W.

and also, they didn't vote their conscience. would you vote for a liar, to tell you more lies? people voted their pocketbooks. cheap gas, tax rebates/refunds, less education, less environment.

>I think we should be more worried about setting up an active government
>and strong military over there before we leave
>(and I don't see that happening for a while),
>or else Iraq will turn into a terrorist breeding ground of sorts.

don't you understand that we helped to build up the terrorists? and now, instead of taking political and economic steps to prevent their growth, we're giving them moral reason to come after us?

Take the Taliban, our hated enemy from Afghanistan. We funded them and supplied them with arms while withholding it from their enemies. But when they banned opium production, we took them out. now how's our world supply of opium, according to the UN?

Didya know that OBL was a US asset and we used him and others like him to fight in the Cold War? Howbout Saudi Arabia and his money. Didn't we try to freeze his money supply? Why did it fail?


>All I have to say is that this shows how seriously the nation is devided.

here's what i don't understand. Election 2000 was really close. For this election, many many more people were involved and fired up. Watching the Democratic primaries gave you a sense that they were mobilizing and getting active, more so than 2000.

So what happened to all those extra votes? What were the vote totals for 2000 vs. 2004?

[Keeblergiant]

ummm...the republicans got us into that mess in Iraq, using the WMDs, Al-Qaeda, bad dictator angle. [yay for cheap gas?!]


Kerry believed the exact same thing about the WMDs as Bush...you cannot use that argument if your alternative believed the same exact thing. And the Republicans in no way got us into the mess with Al-Qaeda. The Al-Qaeda attacked us...

[Emerald_Dragon]

>Kerry believed the exact same thing about the WMDs as Bush...

the articles that Kerry signed, giving Bush, the power to wage war, had a clause in it that stated that possession/existence of WMDs had to be proven, in order for war to be valid. When they learned that the intelligence was "faulty", they did not disclose it til many months later, when it was too late[summation]. Which explains to me why Kerry "flip-flopped". He made a mistake and owned up to it. W has yet to admit to any mistakes. How can he, god speaks to him.(:grin)

but you're right, both the Democrats and the Republicans got us in.
One had an exit strategy, the other, an escalation.
Instead of learning from our mistakes,
we press on and show how much "good" we're doing for Iraq.
we're too proud to back down, IMO.


> And the Republicans in no way got us into the mess with Al-Qaeda.
>The Al-Qaeda attacked us...

Depends. How versed are you in their origins? Who funded their growth?
The Al-Qaeda were allowed to attack us.
Much like the Japanese were allowed to attack us.
Since we didn't learn from history, we're repeating it.

I recommend looking more into the attack and asking some tough questions.

[Treehugginhippy]

I just hope that now he has been re-elected Bush changes his policies on environmental damage. As in he tries to lessen it. And abortion, im pro-choice. The rest of it, well, he's doing ok.

[Keeblergiant]

How versed are you in their origins? Who funded their growth?

Eh, I know about how we funded and supported the Al-Qaeda before...however, there was no way of knowing that it would eventually turn against us back then...

[Keeblergiant]

How can he, god speaks to him.


And abortion, im pro-choice.

Yeah, I'm not a big fan of his Christian morals showing themselves in politics either...but I can live with it for another four years if that's what it takes to secure a good handle in Iraq...that's all I care about right now.

[knac1055]

All I have to say is that this shows how seriously the nation is devided. The election was close. AND they are still counting hundreds of thousands of ballots. It will be a while before we know just how close the election was or wasn't.


228 years and now you think where divided will my friend we have always been divided from day one of the multi-party system we have been divided. Wake you people this is a Kerry, M. Moore thought up saying

But anyways here is Bush plans for the next 4 years I did not Vote because I did not like my choices.

11/04/2004

**Bush and his plan for the world

Things to do

1. overturn Roe vs. Wade (to get right with his God)
2. Suck as much of the oil out of Iraq before war with Iran
3. Try to stop Russia from protecting its allies Iran.
4. Pray to his God his daughters die quick.
5. Hide in Mt. Rainier As his world end.

Within one year, the son of *Satan and his **brother (*Putin) (**Bush) will bring war to Iran and the rest of the World and we will pay.

I am not religious so I do not follow there beliefs but I no there is a God and its name is Earth

How would you feel about a flea blowing stuff up on your skin?
Or a mosquito sucking your life’s blood out?

[MetalMilitia]

the people voted their conscience.

"The voters decide nothing; those who count the votes decide everything."

For Dick Cheney, deficits don't matter - for Donald Rumsfeld, the insurgency in Iraq was confined to just a few dead-enders - for Paul Wolfowitz, Iraqs oil revenue would finance Iraqs own liberation - and for Bush, the continued violence in Iraq has been cited as proof we are succeeding (strange).

Like I said, Bush lives in a bubble, where his ntentions are assumed sufficient to guarantee a good outcome. And, Apparently, personality matters more that political judgment. Bush was wrong about Iraq, wrong about the WMD's, and still has not caught the man behind 9/11.

You dont have to doubt Bushs sincerity to be concerned that he doesnt even consider the possibility that he should offer a rationale or explanation for his decisions. In other words, "I know whats right, end of discussion." That is "faithbased" policy, and that's why he never considered all the probabilities leading to the messes we're currently in.

BTW - the word "liberal" is what got Kerry's ass tagged, just keep dropping that word and POW it's over. If it were me in Bush's shoes (first I would wipe that shitty smirk off my face) but I would have jumped all over for Kerry and his 'crowd' or entourage. Hanging around with Michael Moore and the works would have been easy picking, but Bush never jumped on it. I guess it doesn't matter.

Bushs personal faith may be quite admirablefor SOME, but his CERTAINTY... on Iraqs WMDs or something, has proven OVERWHELMINGLY false.

Faith is one thing. But stifling reality is another.

Here is your stifling reality :

I didn't vote bush or Kerry as I didn't like either. Our 2 party system, let's call it a 2 party dictatorship, is ridiculous. We had to choose between a moron, and a guy who cant hold an opinion for more than 23 seconds... meanwhile (MN had 4 other candidates on the ballot) the next person with ANY coverage on any news network was NADER... which says a lot.

The Bush Administration has spent more than $140 billion on a war of choice in Iraq.
During the Bush Administration's war in Iraq, more than 1,000 US troops have lost their lives and more than 7,000 have been injured.
Vice President Cheney said that Iraq was "the geographic base of the terrorists who have had us under assault for many years, but most especially on 9/11." The bipartisan 9/11 Commission found that Iraq had no involvement in the 9/11 attacks and no collaborative operational relationship with Al Qaeda.
National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice said that high-strength aluminum tubes acquired by Iraq were "only really suited for nuclear weapons programs," warning "we don't want the smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud." The government's top nuclear scientists had told the Administration the tubes were "too narrow, too heavy, too long" to be of use in developing nuclear weapons and could be used for other purposes.
According to the Administration's handpicked weapon's inspector, Charles Duelfer, there is "no evidence that Hussein had passed illicit weapons material to al Qaeda or other terrorist organizations, or had any intent to do so." After the release of the report, Bush continued to insist, "There was a risk--a real risk--that Saddam Hussein would pass weapons, or materials, or information to terrorist networks."
According to Duelfer, the UN inspections regime put an "economic strangle hold" on Hussein that prevented him from developing a WMD program for more than twelve years.
According to Duelfer, the UN inspections regime put an "economic strangle hold" on Hussein that prevented him from developing a WMD program for more than twelve years.
The Bush Administration secured less nuclear material from sites around the world vulnerable to terrorists in the two years after 9/11 than were secured in the two years before 9/11.
Between January 20, 2001, and September 10, 2001, the Bush Administration publicly mentioned Al Qaeda one time.
The Bush Administration granted the 9/11 Commission $3 million to investigate the September 11 attacks and $50 million to the commission that investigated the Columbia space shuttle crash.
During the Bush Administration, North Korea quadrupled its suspected nuclear arsenal from two to eight weapons.
The Bush Administration awarded a multibillion-dollar no-bid contract to Halliburton--a company that still pays Vice President Cheney hundreds of thousands of dollars in deferred compensation each year (Cheney also has Halliburton stock options). The company then repeatedly overcharged the military for services, accepted kickbacks from subcontractors and served troops dirty food. - KNOW oyu fuckers will argue this one so here's links : http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&contentId=A56429-2003Aug27&notFound=true , http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/world/archives/2003/12/14/2003079545 , http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/3425043.stm
The Bush Administration turned a $236 billion surplus into a $422 billion deficit.
The Bush Administration did nothing to prevent the minimum wage from falling to an inflation-adjusted fifty-year low.
Since President Bush took office, more than 5 million people have lost their health insurance.
Since 9/11, Attorney General John Ashcroft has detained 5,000 foreign nationals in antiterrorism sweeps; none have been convicted of a terrorist crime.
The Bush Administration ignored pleas from the International Committee of the Red Cross to stop the abuse of prisoners in US custody.
In violation of international law, the Bush Administration hid prisoners from the Red Cross so the organization couldn't monitor their treatment.


When asked at an April 2004 press conference to name a mistake he made during his presidency, Bush couldn't think of one. NOT ONE!

Now, I look at it this way. No party or group running for president was STRONG enough to challenge him, even with all of the stuff I just cited. If the past informs the future, four more years of the Bush Administration will be a tragic period in the history of the United States and the world.

What does that say about American Politics & Voters?

-MM- :crs:

[CELL]

what is their to say? God placed his tool in office for 4 more years

[MetalMilitia]

EXIT POLLS VERSUS VOTE RESULTS, PAPER BALLOT VERSUS ELECTRONIC VOTE MACHINE. - http://img103.exs.cx/img103/4526/exit_poll.gif

Presidential Votes Miscast on e-Voting Machines Throughout The Country - http://www.infowars.net/Pages/Nov_04/041104_votes.html

States with electronic voting machines gave Bush mysterious 5% advantage; bloggers do the math that broadcast networks fail to follow - http://www.newstarget.com/002076.html

N.C. Computer Loses More Than 4,500 Votes - http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20041104/ap_on_el_pr/voting_problems

New York City Bewildered by Election Results - http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/110504Y.shtml

Global monitors find faults - http://www.iht.com/bin/print_ipub.php?file=%2Farticles%2F2004%2F11%2F02%2 Fnews%2Fobserve.html

What went wrong in Cuyahoga?- Did they count 90.000 votes in time? - http://inn.globalfreepress.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=973

Residents turned away at polls - http://theadvertiser.com/news/html/2C3B7C2C-9C87-4523-A9E6-CCC9769A2FD7.shtml

More Reports of vote problems coming in. - http://www.blackboxvoting.com/

Voters Report Problems with Computer Systems - http://wireservice.wired.com/wired/story.asp?section=Breaking&storyId=945003&tw=wn_wire_story

Group tallies more than 1,100 e-voting glitches - http://www.nwfusion.com/news/2004/1103grouptalli.html

EXIT POLLING VS. ACTUAL SUGGESTS FRAUD... - http://www.bluelemur.com/index.php?p=388

U.S. voters report computer problems - http://www.reuters.co.uk/newsPackageArticle.jhtml?type=topNews&storyID=614477&section=news

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Glad everything went so smoothly... for a second there I thought the elections might not have been fair!

[hotcher]

Bravo on your responses. If the rest of the country did their research like you did and not just believe what they were "fed" then maybe our country wouldn't be in the dire situation we are in. Both of your comments were thought provoking and fact based. BRAVO!!

[Death Rattle]

I have already accepted the fact that within this next administration i will probably be drafted and sent to war. I will do my best to fight for my country even if the reasons are not entirely clear. I believe it is my duty to serve my country like my grandfather did. I hope it does not come to this but our country will not survive if we don't stick together.

[humanhybrid]

Greetings! One and all, Bush and his administration has done it! They have convinced the American people that he has and is accomplishing something. What it is, defines ones intellect and ability to understand current events. People by the masses "Americans" does not understand terrorism, its behavier and its causes. So when you have media giants broadcast a misinformed definition of terorism to the masses you have fear. Fear is what brought people out to vote. A SHAME! good day!

[Keeblergiant]

What it is, defines ones intellect and ability to understand current events.

Eh? Eh. Just because someone's opinion doesn't agree with yours doesn't define their intelligence and ability to understand current events. It just means they interpret current events differently than you.

[Keeblergiant]

I have already accepted the fact that within this next administration i will probably be drafted and sent to war.

HAHAHA. What is it with you people and the draft? The whole idea that Bush would reinstate the draft is just a bunch of political rhetoric used by Kerry to pursuade people to vote for him, and it is just a bunch of bull. There is no proof to back up that statement, and Bush himself has even vowed not to reinstate the draft.

[Zach]

and Bush himself has even vowed not to reinstate the draft.

People Lie.

[Zach]

Well.....what do you have to say?? Cyber Protesters (HH).. Iwant to hear from you...


Well i know what your gonna say....Now we are all in trouble with 4 more years and bkah blah blah..yadayadayada....

SO basically i am rubbing it in everyone who tried to pursuade voters into voting for Kerry and I want tohear your thoughts about the election.


Im moving to Canada :wink: :Llol:

[MetalMilitia]

I dont know how you do your troop counts, the only reason I watch for the draft is because Iraq/American/ and Afghanistan we are drawn thin. If some other major 'hot spot' were to pop up, who do you think would go?

Iran, North Korea... etc.

No scare tactics, just logic.

[humanhybrid]

Eh? Eh. Just because someone's opinion doesn't agree with yours doesn't define their intelligence and ability to understand current events. It just means they interpret current events differently than you. I guess Ill pick at this a bit! People do draw opinions on the intelligence they have according to the available information before them. Interpetations! Look were not translating the bible. Its no lie that innocent civilians are being killed in Iraq and Bush "and freinds of the willing" will eventually have more blood on their hands than Saddam will have had in his attempt to control the people of Iraq. Is that an interpatation? Is that an opionion or a body count. Cant agree? And further-more, the Americans have spoke and they will get what they deserve :bondage: good day!

[Keeblergiant]

People do draw opinions on the intelligence they have according to the available information before them.

Opinion does not equate to truth. Just because you think someone is stupid because they don't agree with YOUR OPINION, does not make them stupid. I could just as easily say that anyone who didn't vote for Bush is a moron, but that in no way makes it true.

[RavenWhitefang]

HAHAHA. What is it with you people and the draft? The whole idea that Bush would reinstate the draft is just a bunch of political rhetoric used by Kerry to pursuade people to vote for him, and it is just a bunch of bull. There is no proof to back up that statement, and Bush himself has even vowed not to reinstate the draft.

http://www.arbiteronline.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2004/10/11/416a49f2b1cd9

Dept of Defense (http://www.defenselink.mil/home/features/documents/20041013a.html)


The most current thing on the reinstatement of the draft is 10/5/2004. Last year it was shot down. It does not mean that it will not come back. As you can see here, it has been brought back.


STATUS:
1/7/2003: Referred to the House Committee on Armed Services.
2/3/2003: Executive Comment Requested from DOD.
2/3/2003: Referred to the Subcommittee on Total Force.
10/5/2004 5:59pm: Mr. McHugh moved to suspend the rules and pass the bill.
10/5/2004 6:00pm: Considered under suspension of the rules. (consideration: CR H8117-8130)
10/5/2004 7:27pm: On motion to suspend the rules and pass the bill Failed by the Yeas and Nays: (2/3 required): 2 - 402 (Roll no. 494). (text: CR H8117-8118)
10/5/2004 7:27pm: Motion to reconsider laid on the table Agreed to without objection. http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d108:HR00163:@@@L&summ2=m&

This is from the bill currently, someone is pushing for it to go through and the senate is blocking it. Think twice about believing it is a joke. Even if Bush decided to veto, the congress/senate can over vote him to pass it. This doesnt look like rhetoric to me.

[Marajadex]

Think twice about believing it is a joke. Even if Bush decided to veto, the congress/senate can over vote him to pass it. This doesnt look like rhetoric to me.Afterall... Look at all the lies the administratin told us in the past 4 years. Why should we believe them now.

Also a thought to keep in mind... They keep talking about how the unemployment rate has gone down. Just remember that when someone has exhausted their unemployment and is no longer receiving checks, they are no longer counted in the unemployment statistics. Even if they still do not have a job and are still unemployed.

[humanhybrid]

Opinion does not equate to truth. Just because you think someone is stupid because they don't agree with YOUR OPINION, does not make them stupid. I could just as easily say that anyone who didn't vote for Bush is a moron, but that in no way makes it true. Whattt? I dont think that there are stupid people, I know there are. Opinion opinion. Were debateing reality my eager freind, not opinion. Is that my opinion? or is it an Iraqis opinion. Whats yours? Again the American people will get what they deserve, its a shame that the other half has to pay for it. :bondage: good day

[Rage_Garden]

Throw out the left coast and the upper right coast and you have- America.

Respect level- 0.

All I can say is that I voted Nader in the school elections which includes elementary and little kids arent exactly free thinkers. Bush won though by a few percentage points, I was like, In Washington? Whoa! Heh heh. Only 12 of our schools votes were counted though, it sucks.

[Keeblergiant]

This is from the bill currently, someone is pushing for it to go through and the senate is blocking it. Think twice about believing it is a joke. Even if Bush decided to veto, the congress/senate can over vote him to pass it. This doesnt look like rhetoric to me.

But Bush is not trying to reinstate the draft. That is the point. It was claimed that BUSH was trying to reinstate the draft, and he's not.

[Keeblergiant]

Whattt? I dont think that there are stupid people, I know there are. Opinion opinion. Were debateing reality my eager freind, not opinion. Is that my opinion? or is it an Iraqis opinion. Whats yours? Again the American people will get what they deserve, its a shame that the other half has to pay for it.

Haha this is great too! Think about what you're saying. Just because it is your opinion that someone isn't intelligent does not make them intelligent. What don't you understand?

[DontBeAfraid]

Bush is setting himself up to have no choice but to reinstate the draft.....

and I ignored HH a long time ago.... but you make your choice.

[MetalMilitia]

But Bush is not trying to reinstate the draft. That is the point. It was claimed that BUSH was trying to reinstate the draft, and he's not.

Well he's sure leading us down the path for one. You cant have all the VOLUNTEER troops spread across multiple countries (aready too thin) and should something happen elsewhere, another 'hotspot' there won't be a choice. Bush has "Claimed" many things, many of which have been proven false or were jsut plain wrong. Let's not forget his "good solid intelligence" on Iraq.


Reinstatement of the draft is imminent, war correspondent and author Christopher Hedges told a crowd of more than 120 students and residents yesterday at Manhattanville College.

"We are losing the war in Iraq very badly, but the Bush administration will not walk away from the debacle without trying to reoccupy huge swaths of the territory they have lost," Hedges said. While working for The New York Times, he covered fighting in Central America, the Balkans and the Middle East, including Iraq during the first Gulf War.

To regain territory lost in Iraq, it will take double or triple the current 140,000 troops, Hedges said during the last lecture in a series called "The Costs of War."

The reservists and National Guard members who make up half of the U.S. forces are stretched to the breaking point and need relief, he said, and the draft is the only way to assemble the numbers needed. Reintroduction of the draft will be made in the name of the war on terrorism soon after an attack in the United States or abroad, he predicted.

"The war in Iraq will no longer be an abstraction," he said. "It will become deeply personal. In the next few weeks look for shifts in administration policy leading in the direction of an escalation of the war."

http://www.nyjournalnews.com/newsroom/110504/b10w05wartalk.html

While he may not say it outright (and it would have been political suicide to do so) look at some other things he has said, then done the total opposite of.

Bush said he would not cause deficits right... even in a 'bad economy' Hate to burst your bubble but it's now a RECORD deficit... and the first since 1997. Do you even want me to point out how many times he 'lied' (not mislead or over-exerted) the intel in Iraq? I don't think we need that all over again. The forums here are full of threads where I quote Bush, then provide the TRUTH.

My message to Bush : You need to unfuck Iraq (and admit your mistakes) You need to get us out of econimc woes (record deficit, all time $ lows against euro, soaring gas prices, record medicare costs NOT TO MENTION we have baby boomers retiring. What're you gonna give them, IOU's?), and you need to CLOSE OUR FUCKING BORDERS to the south, so people stop coming to this country, and spending my tax money.

No right wing "Christian, Compassionate, Conservative" bullshit. Just clean up the messes you've already made.

[substand]

You all need not worry. Yes, the draft will be reinstated, and social security will be cut.... BUT, ye need not worry- especially about the draft. You see, Bush's plan is to reinstate the draft, but ONLY amongst seniors. That way, we can send all our elderly to die in war, which will result in a lowering of the social security payments- and all future generations will be saved.

[dutchie]

What a great solution for the pension funds... What a clever thing to do to save space in homes for the elderly...

....ehhr.. will we win the war this way?!? :bubble:

[MetalMilitia]

Gold record highs : http://cnn.netscape.cnn.com/ns/news/story.jsp?id=2004111511110002842537&dt=20041115111100&w=RTR&coview=

Dollar Hits All-Time Low Against Euro : http://apnews.myway.com/article/20041105/D8660LVO0.html

Dollar falls to nine-year lows... : http://news.ft.com/cms/s/a67665a0-2e8d-11d9-97e3-00000e2511c8.html

If Bush wants a weaker dollar to bolster trade, we fist better manufacture something somebody wants to buy. If the Fed raises interests rates as a means to attracts investors in our T Bills, the rise will trickle down to increase all interests rates and raise prices accordingly.

From everything coming out of Washington, what shocks me is the lack of any visible concern of our so called "leadership" with the state of the economy. They all seem completely focused on war plans and anti terror activities. Too busy to worry about what's going on in middle class america.

Two days ago at our local store (Aptly named, 'the store') I bought a few things of soup, a few apples, a half gallon of milk and paid $11.00 Then I bought gas for my car and paid $2.01 a gallon.

Inflation is already here.

Someone in Dumbfukistan explain it to the Idiot they re-elected.

[MetalMilitia]

...haha, no takers. how about this?

In Santiago, Chili, The Bushmeister was met by a HUGE street demonstration estimated at 50,000. And Bush keeps wondering why they hate us... It sure as hell isn't our freedom, as he inanely continues to repeat (cause many nations protesting are democratic). Even Germany in 1939 had not generated the kind of deep universal loathing Bush has created abroad for our country. Everywhere the man goes, thousands wait to protest and give their opinion as to why he's wrong... Most of the rallies are thousands, tens of thousands, or even hundreds of thousands...

And in Cartegana, Colombia, 15,000 soldiers, plus airplanes, submarines, destroyers and corvettes of the Colombian Navy were patrolling the waters off shore. Meanwhile, the Colombian Gov't gave all city workers the day off and just to be sure, closed all bars and forbid the sale of alcohol for the day. Another foreign triumph for Bush!

Making 'friends' for America with more "monkey" business.

http://www.bushisms.com/pic36.jpg
http://www.bushisms.com/pic39.jpg

Don't worry folks, he's a uniter not a divider.

[Death Rattle]

Stop being a sore loser. Bush won reelection fair and square so just deal with it. The american people have spoken and in this country majority rules. Suck it up. :headbang:

[DontBeAfraid]

Join the military death rattle.

[Death Rattle]

Join the military death rattle.
Why is it that is always the comeback for all you Bush haters. I will serve my country proudly if there is a draft. All you Bush haters can just move to another country if you don't like it. Cowards. :gtfo:

[MetalMilitia]

Good comeback, opinion versus fact.

I didn't support Kerry, Nader, or Bush. I tend to point out the gigantic pink elephant sitting in the room (IE, the problem) that everyone sees, but no one mentions. Bush has loads of the aforementioned problems, and very little antidote.

If you'd been here pre-elections and throughout 2003, you'd know where I stand. Stating that he won "fair and square" is horseshit -

http://www.solarbus.org/stealyourelection/

You can't honestly tell me, in a system where there were reports of HUNDREDS of locations dealing with falsely registered people, faulty machines, and voter supression could be held to account in the sense of "fair and square".


The american people have spoken and in this country majority rules.

And thats the great part of a "democracy" - I don't have to agree with anything you say, whatsoever. I don't even have to pick a side, or choose the "lesser of two evils".

[Death Rattle]

Opinion VS Fact? You call a bunch of anti-Bush websites facts. Sorry not buying it. You will beleive anything you come across as long as its anti-bush. I know your type. In fact your the type that just sits around and bitchs about everything and everyone instead of standing for something. Alot of that going around these forums unfortunatly. :bondage:

[DontBeAfraid]

You wont join death rattle? You have to be drafted? Are you afraid of where bush will send you?

Telling people who dont agree with you to move to another country is NOT democracy.

Maybe all us bush haters should set up a new non-bush country right here? But thats not really democracy either.... Freedom to speak out against the idiocy that is the replublican party IS democracy.

Do you know me? Well enough to call me a coward anyways? Well enough to tell me where I have and have not been?

Its the comeback becuase you are stating that you support the wars that bush will wage.... But stating something and living it are very different things. I want to know if you would support the wars if they were more than just images on your TV, if they directly effected you. So again, why dont you JOIN the military?

[MetalMilitia]

Um.

The dollar is at a 9 year low, and record lows against the Euro.

There were over 50,000 people protesting Bush in Chile.

There are now, and were pre-elections, massive reports of vote fraud.

I know your type
Probably not

Death Rattle
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Join Date: 10-19-2004
Posts : Total Posts: 22

I totally supported Bush after 9/11 and all through Afghanistan, but he has done some rather dumb stuff. I dont like the Iraq debacle, I dont like the pATRIOT act, and I dont like his smugness. Anyone who can't find one thing they've done wrong over a stretch of 4 years is full of shit.

As much as I'm anti-Bush, I am anti-Lie. I find hypocrisy and circumstances where the people that work FOR me (IE the entire government) may or may not be wrong, and I provide a look at stuff people dont wanna talk about.

If you're trying to be the "Opionated Bastard" we already have one of those, and his head is farther up his ass than yours is.

[Zach]

il just say that Bush has gone a little too far with his actions.

[lotrfan55345]

Opinion VS Fact?

I guess these evil left wingers are invading the government statisctics as well...

http://www.globalpolicy.org/images/graphs/socecon/deficit.gif

^

Just look at this "trade deficit" blasphemy as well! I mean, the US is the BEST country in the world, and we don't have any of this "trade deficit", especially with George W's fine leadership! It's like comparing us to a little 3rd world muslim country! I can't belive the heights these left-wing immoral stupid ATHEIST redneck COMMIES will go to!

[Strife]

Thanks for the statistics there lotrfan. An image can sometimes express things alot more clearlry than words...

[hotcher]

Where are our überhackers? They need to be scraping some people's hard drives for more memos . . .Don't believe everything you are fed, Dig deeper. read alternative news, blogs, and others. You don't have to be a tinfoil hatter to know and understand that things in the U.S are "a miss". Do research above and beyond the current media scources. We are living in the information age, look closer.

[Defiant Noquisi]

I know your type. In fact your the type that just sits around and bitchs about everything and everyone instead of standing for something. Alot of that going around these forums unfortunatly.I hardly see where a person who served this country voluntarily and didnt wait to be ordered to do it was deserving of such a nasty retort from a 15 year old. You have alot to learn kid and a whole lot of respect to show and earn before you ever get to the point where people like DBA are.

If you cant understand the above paragraph let me spell it out for you this way. You were probably still in diapers while he was trying to survive under enemy fire. He may be a "Bush hater" to you but at least he VOLUNTEERED to possibly lose his own life in order to make it safer for you to grow up and disrespect him like you are doing now. Maybe someday when you grow up youll understand how much you have made a complete ass of yourself. :2fu:

Something smells like CF around here.

[DontBeAfraid]

LOL, he was talking to MM I think.... sweet though.....

Oh, and I dont believe my life was ever in any danger..... Just near it and even then, not very...

[Defiant Noquisi]

LOL, he was talking to MM I think.... sweet though.....

Oh, and I dont believe my life was ever in any danger..... Just near it and even then, not very...LOL, sorry then. I just cant stand "mouthy" little adolecents who believe they have all the answers and arrogantly belittle people.

Please tell me that you never stood a chance of having an errant bomb or something come near you sweetlumps. You were there, you know there are no guarentees. <wink>

[DontBeAfraid]

I was invincible.... Still am.

[Defiant Noquisi]

LOL! Reading that, I just pictured one of Laz's former avatars with Batman running down a street with a lit bomb in his hands, cape flowing behind him.

Or was that Bush in Crusader get-up?

[humanhybrid]

LOL! Reading that, I just pictured one of Laz's former avatars with Batman running down a street with a lit bomb in his hands, cape flowing behind him.

Or was that Bush in Crusader get-up? Yes I remember that too! Its funny!