Death Rattle
Nov 29th, 2004, 12:35 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2004/LAW/11/29/scotus.medical.marijuana.ap/index.html
Whats next medical heroine or crack? Armaggedon is NEAR! :crazy:
Whats next medical heroine or crack? Armaggedon is NEAR! :crazy:
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MetalMilitia
Nov 29th, 2004, 12:46 PM
The government does a good job regulating booze to 21+
50-80% of fatality related car crashed are related to those who have alcohol in their systems.
You can't "smoke" yourself to death, whereas you can drink yourself to death.
One effects the liver, on effects the lungs.
The buzz from alcohol lasts from 6-12 hours (in your system) and pot (the good stuff) lasts for 2-6 hours... thought it stays in your system for a month or so.
Marijuana grows naturally WORLD WIDE whereas liquor is brewed and produced and even advertised in prime time to the public.
The US stands apart from COUNTLESS other nations on the use of marijuana. The Declaration of Independence speaks of every citizen's right to "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness." The Constitution and Bill of Rights go further, making specific guarantees. They forbid the government to make unwarranted entry into dwelling places. ( http://www.studyworld.com/newsite/ReportEssay/SocialIssues/Political%5CCase_for_Legalizing_Marijuana-92.htm )
So fuck em.
The feds need to get off our backs, and worry about more pressing issues than somone SMOKING something that grows naturally across the earth.
50-80% of fatality related car crashed are related to those who have alcohol in their systems.
You can't "smoke" yourself to death, whereas you can drink yourself to death.
One effects the liver, on effects the lungs.
The buzz from alcohol lasts from 6-12 hours (in your system) and pot (the good stuff) lasts for 2-6 hours... thought it stays in your system for a month or so.
Marijuana grows naturally WORLD WIDE whereas liquor is brewed and produced and even advertised in prime time to the public.
The US stands apart from COUNTLESS other nations on the use of marijuana. The Declaration of Independence speaks of every citizen's right to "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness." The Constitution and Bill of Rights go further, making specific guarantees. They forbid the government to make unwarranted entry into dwelling places. ( http://www.studyworld.com/newsite/ReportEssay/SocialIssues/Political%5CCase_for_Legalizing_Marijuana-92.htm )
So fuck em.
The feds need to get off our backs, and worry about more pressing issues than somone SMOKING something that grows naturally across the earth.
DontBeAfraid
Nov 29th, 2004, 5:10 PM
I love youe Sig.....
dutchie
Nov 30th, 2004, 2:32 AM
http://www.cnn.com/2004/LAW/11/29/scotus.medical.marijuana.ap/index.html
Whats next medical heroine or crack? Armaggedon is NEAR! :crazy:
Well, it remains to be hoped that you get multiple sclerosis or a brain tumor, and see what YOU will do...
To be so shortsighted must be a form of bliss to you, eh Death Rattle? A lovely organized world with only two colors to pick from.
Whats next medical heroine or crack? Armaggedon is NEAR! :crazy:
Well, it remains to be hoped that you get multiple sclerosis or a brain tumor, and see what YOU will do...
To be so shortsighted must be a form of bliss to you, eh Death Rattle? A lovely organized world with only two colors to pick from.
Death Rattle
Nov 30th, 2004, 11:08 AM
Well, it remains to be hoped that you get multiple sclerosis or a brain tumor, and see what YOU will do...
To be so shortsighted must be a form of bliss to you, eh Death Rattle? A lovely organized world with only two colors to pick from.
So lets make all drugs legal what the hell. Then we can all be like Amsterdam. Drug addicts and prostitution everywhere. Oh and lets not forget the skyrocketing aids epidemic from all the fun. :headbang:
To be so shortsighted must be a form of bliss to you, eh Death Rattle? A lovely organized world with only two colors to pick from.
So lets make all drugs legal what the hell. Then we can all be like Amsterdam. Drug addicts and prostitution everywhere. Oh and lets not forget the skyrocketing aids epidemic from all the fun. :headbang:
Rynotek
Nov 30th, 2004, 11:26 AM
You have obviously never visited the fair city of Hamsterdamm. the red light area is tame, you could have a family night out there just to see the sights its quite nice really. The biggest fuckwits in Amsterdam are the Americans and Brits puking their rings into the canals. Its the only city where i have been told off for swearing on the streets. Get the fuck out of Hickville for just a day, try the greyhound i hear the go pretty much everywhere...... tool.
Why not make all drugs legal and enforce control. When they tried subscription heroin in Brixton, the burgurlary rate fell by 80% (ill find the article tomorrow) legalising it would solve more problems than the current system creates. yes yes yes .... with controls .
The Aids problem is escalating all over the world.
Why not make all drugs legal and enforce control. When they tried subscription heroin in Brixton, the burgurlary rate fell by 80% (ill find the article tomorrow) legalising it would solve more problems than the current system creates. yes yes yes .... with controls .
The Aids problem is escalating all over the world.
Death Rattle
Nov 30th, 2004, 12:03 PM
You have obviously never visited the fair city of Hamsterdamm. the red light area is tame, you could have a family night out there just to see the sights its quite nice really. The biggest fuckwits in Amsterdam are the Americans and Brits puking their rings into the canals. Its the only city where i have been told off for swearing on the streets. Get the fuck out of Hickville for just a day, try the greyhound i hear the go pretty much everywhere...... tool.
Why not make all drugs legal and enforce control. When they tried subscription heroin in Brixton, the burgurlary rate fell by 80% (ill find the article tomorrow) legalising it would solve more problems than the current system creates. yes yes yes .... with controls .
The Aids problem is escalating all over the world.
So sorry to insult your fair city crack head. I have been there i have seen it for myself and its for the most part apalling. Unless you like seeing wasted people all over the place. Its a modern day sodom and gamora. Tool :gtfo:
Why not make all drugs legal and enforce control. When they tried subscription heroin in Brixton, the burgurlary rate fell by 80% (ill find the article tomorrow) legalising it would solve more problems than the current system creates. yes yes yes .... with controls .
The Aids problem is escalating all over the world.
So sorry to insult your fair city crack head. I have been there i have seen it for myself and its for the most part apalling. Unless you like seeing wasted people all over the place. Its a modern day sodom and gamora. Tool :gtfo:
Emerald_Dragon
Nov 30th, 2004, 12:23 PM
sounds like you hung out with the tourists and didn't bother taking in the sites. i guess you don't know any Dutch, either.
think of America and what a person's opinion of it would be, if they only hung out in the brothels of Nevada (with drugs being legal). The rest of America may not condone it, but prostitution is legal there. Same with the Dutch. just because its legal, doesn't mean everybody does it.
or maybe thinking isn't one of your better traits after spending your vacation in a Dutch coffee house sampling the varieties. in excess.
think of America and what a person's opinion of it would be, if they only hung out in the brothels of Nevada (with drugs being legal). The rest of America may not condone it, but prostitution is legal there. Same with the Dutch. just because its legal, doesn't mean everybody does it.
or maybe thinking isn't one of your better traits after spending your vacation in a Dutch coffee house sampling the varieties. in excess.
Death Rattle
Nov 30th, 2004, 12:28 PM
sounds like you hung out with the tourists and didn't bother taking in the sites. i guess you don't know any Dutch, either.
think of America and what a person's opinion of it would be, if they only hung out in the brothels of Nevada (with drugs being legal). The rest of America may not condone it, but prostitution is legal there. Same with the Dutch. just because its legal, doesn't mean everybody does it.
or maybe thinking isn't one of your better traits after spending your vacation in a Dutch coffee house sampling the varieties. in excess.
I do not do drugs and am very discusted by people who do. Its the whole point of this thread. Its why i started it.
think of America and what a person's opinion of it would be, if they only hung out in the brothels of Nevada (with drugs being legal). The rest of America may not condone it, but prostitution is legal there. Same with the Dutch. just because its legal, doesn't mean everybody does it.
or maybe thinking isn't one of your better traits after spending your vacation in a Dutch coffee house sampling the varieties. in excess.
I do not do drugs and am very discusted by people who do. Its the whole point of this thread. Its why i started it.
MetalMilitia
Nov 30th, 2004, 1:21 PM
Once again you ignored my post.
Alcohol versus "weed" is a great topic, but it seems you're the type that stereotypes "pot users". Are you the type that support the 18th Amendment to this day or what?
Alcohol versus "weed" is a great topic, but it seems you're the type that stereotypes "pot users". Are you the type that support the 18th Amendment to this day or what?
Death Rattle
Nov 30th, 2004, 1:29 PM
Once again you ignored my post.
Alcohol versus "weed" is a great topic, but it seems you're the type that stereotypes "pot users". Are you the type that support the 18th Amendment to this day or what?
I don't drink either but the cats already out of the bag on that one. We need to keep it closed from here on out.
Alcohol versus "weed" is a great topic, but it seems you're the type that stereotypes "pot users". Are you the type that support the 18th Amendment to this day or what?
I don't drink either but the cats already out of the bag on that one. We need to keep it closed from here on out.
MetalMilitia
Nov 30th, 2004, 1:41 PM
Right, so a substance LESS fatal than alcohol (regulated and sold within the us) is legal whereas people using pot, even for medicinal purposes, is outlawed.
Yah that makes total sense.
FYI I have / and may still smoke pot. No lies here. Does that make me a druggie / rehab/ braindead / stoner?
Yah that makes total sense.
FYI I have / and may still smoke pot. No lies here. Does that make me a druggie / rehab/ braindead / stoner?
Death Rattle
Nov 30th, 2004, 1:52 PM
Right, so a substance LESS fatal than alcohol (regulated and sold within the us) is legal whereas people using pot, even for medicinal purposes, is outlawed.
Yah that makes total sense.
FYI I have / and may still smoke pot. No lies here. Does that make me a druggie / rehab/ braindead / stoner?
When i consider your public profile i would have to say your well on your way. Only you can make that judgement. Just ask the man in the glass.
Yah that makes total sense.
FYI I have / and may still smoke pot. No lies here. Does that make me a druggie / rehab/ braindead / stoner?
When i consider your public profile i would have to say your well on your way. Only you can make that judgement. Just ask the man in the glass.
MetalMilitia
Nov 30th, 2004, 2:07 PM
Silly me, helping set up the board you post on... what WAS I thinking? Oh yeah, I was stoned outta my brain. What a pot head.
The feds need to GET OUT of what individual citizens do... Like their noses aren't buried deep enough. They need to focus more on the ILLEGALS crossing the borders.... not some god grown plant.
The feds need to GET OUT of what individual citizens do... Like their noses aren't buried deep enough. They need to focus more on the ILLEGALS crossing the borders.... not some god grown plant.
Keeblergiant
Nov 30th, 2004, 4:23 PM
I don't think anyone should be told what they can and cannot do with their own body. If someone wants to smoke pot, I think they should be allowed to. I even think the "harder" drugs should be legal, such as coke and heroin. I wouldn't personally do them, but I don't think other people should be punished for hurting themselves. However, I draw the line when drug use starts to effect the people around you negatively though. Hell, I can't think of one person I hang out with that doesn't do some kind of drug, and it's not a problem. So, Death Rattle, why are you so opposed to drugs?
DarkAce
Nov 30th, 2004, 6:54 PM
I have to disagree on letting people do whatever they want to their own bodies, since in most cases intervention is needed because if not, it might lead to a more serious problem. Such as if someone's slicing themselves up, we shouldn't turn a blind eye, but try to figure out what the hell is wrong with the person so they could be helped. It's not as clear cut, some cases could be cries for help, while others, people should mind their own business.
As for you Death Rattle, it's rather clear you have no real understanding of the issue at hand (or many apparently from other threads) and give the common sterotypical I'm-one-of-God's-children-so-I'm-better-than-you responses. Which is an oxymoron in itself.
I live in Canada and chronic is pretty much decriminalized, gay marriage legal etc. So are we one huge backwards ghetto? No, of course not.
As for you Death Rattle, it's rather clear you have no real understanding of the issue at hand (or many apparently from other threads) and give the common sterotypical I'm-one-of-God's-children-so-I'm-better-than-you responses. Which is an oxymoron in itself.
I live in Canada and chronic is pretty much decriminalized, gay marriage legal etc. So are we one huge backwards ghetto? No, of course not.
Thor
Nov 30th, 2004, 8:28 PM
While I have to admit I don't smoke pot, I know a lot of people who do. Those I know lead normal lives, have good jobs, don't do other drugs, Hell, the majority don't even drink or smoke cigarettes. This is their recreational drug of choice, and, other than getting high, they live straight lives. They don't smoke before work, at lunch, etc., just smoke when they are at home relaxing. I can't believe it's such a "Gateway drug" that leads so many down the path of self-destruction, I know too many people who have smoked for MANY years, and have never, ever desired to do anything stronger. I also know MANY people who drink, smoke cigarettes, are STRONGLY against ANY KIND of drug, yet, cannot even begin to approach the pot-smokers' lives in quality, income, or health. Seems there is a real predjudice against the herb that won't be overcome any time soon, until the government can come up with a plan to tax the Hell out of it and get their "fair share" a la booze and cigarettes.
Emerald_Dragon
Nov 30th, 2004, 9:20 PM
i mirror alot of thor's comments. and would add that hemp had a great many historical uses before it was illegalized. imagine what our country would be like if we didn't repeal the 21st amendment (?). a country full of criminal bootleggers vs. self-righteous biblethumpers. which one of our founding fathers was a stoner? i forget.
i don't drink. don't do drugs. the most addictive thing i use is coffee. i don't care if others use drugs so long as its their business and doesn't harm anyone around them. i would vote to legalize marijuana. people can choose what they want to do with their bodies. what is college for? even Clinton didn't inhale :grin, look how he turned out. he got a BJ in the oval office.
i don't drink. don't do drugs. the most addictive thing i use is coffee. i don't care if others use drugs so long as its their business and doesn't harm anyone around them. i would vote to legalize marijuana. people can choose what they want to do with their bodies. what is college for? even Clinton didn't inhale :grin, look how he turned out. he got a BJ in the oval office.
angel
Dec 1st, 2004, 12:11 AM
Touche Thor....We don't know the same people do we.:) Someone I know has been smoking the stuff since I was a little girl and he's never missed a day of work. And I haven't been a little girl for a long long time..lol Like your friends he only does it on weekends and holidays, sometimes if he's stressed. I know people I hate to be around when they get drunk but I can't think of an obnoxious marijuana smoker. :smokin:
CELL
Dec 1st, 2004, 2:05 AM
well, my only experience with it is that i smoked it from 13 years old until i was 21...it wasnt a gateway drug per se for me, but i also didnt know when to stop. im 28 now and i havent picked up a drink or a drug in over 6 1/2 years. im very much an advocate for drug free living....on the flip side of that coin about all the great recreational benefits others in your lives have experienced....i can argue and say that ive seen it take MANY people down a path of laziness and never really accomplished anything in their lives. they didnt commit crimes...they just werent very productive members of society.
Taking all of this into consideration....i believe personal responcibility is the key. Marijuana should be legalized COMPLETELY and then controlled as alcohol is.
Taking all of this into consideration....i believe personal responcibility is the key. Marijuana should be legalized COMPLETELY and then controlled as alcohol is.
dutchie
Dec 1st, 2004, 2:08 AM
Death Rattle, I do not believe for one second that you'ver ever been to Amsterdam. I come there regularly (at least once or twice per month) and I tell you you would have to know the city damn well to be able to find any hard drugs. Yes, people smoke pot, but they do that either in their homes, or in coffeeshops, which are licensed to sell pot. Without the drugstourism (mainly from Germany and the USA) Amsterdam would resemble a medium sized cozy old town. With just over 1 million inhabitants Amsterdam would fit many times in any large American city. The idea that Amsterdam is a sesspool of drugs and sex is a stupid myth, kept alive by stupid foreigners..
Anyway, you don't seem to be able to make your mind up on what this thread is about anyway. In my mind it was about legalizing pot when it's being used for medical purposes. You're just anti drugs - no matter what, and there are no grey areas. When you get depressed, what do you take? A glass of water? I think not - you seem like the type that would not think twice before popping prozac, valium or whatever. Think about that before you pass judgment - and I'm NOT talking about taking pot as a leisure drug, but I was talking about it in the medicinal sense (which does BTW not mean I'm against pot as a leisure drug, I've just "grown over" it).
Anyway, you don't seem to be able to make your mind up on what this thread is about anyway. In my mind it was about legalizing pot when it's being used for medical purposes. You're just anti drugs - no matter what, and there are no grey areas. When you get depressed, what do you take? A glass of water? I think not - you seem like the type that would not think twice before popping prozac, valium or whatever. Think about that before you pass judgment - and I'm NOT talking about taking pot as a leisure drug, but I was talking about it in the medicinal sense (which does BTW not mean I'm against pot as a leisure drug, I've just "grown over" it).
angel
Dec 1st, 2004, 12:58 PM
I know people I hate to be around when they get drunk but I can't think of an obnoxious marijuana smoker. :smokin:
What I meant was alcohol changes the behavior of some people to the point where you don't want to be around them when they are drunk. I've seen the most docile people become unbearable when they've had to much to drink but I've never seen a marijuana smoker become loud and obnoxious after taking a hit.
And no I haven't meet MM face to face but if he's overbearing on the marijuana he's probably the same when he's off it.
What I meant was alcohol changes the behavior of some people to the point where you don't want to be around them when they are drunk. I've seen the most docile people become unbearable when they've had to much to drink but I've never seen a marijuana smoker become loud and obnoxious after taking a hit.
And no I haven't meet MM face to face but if he's overbearing on the marijuana he's probably the same when he's off it.
MetalMilitia
Dec 1st, 2004, 1:12 PM
MD is just being MD
He's never met me before.
He's never met me before.
Death Rattle
Dec 2nd, 2004, 11:01 AM
Death Rattle, I do not believe for one second that you'ver ever been to Amsterdam. I come there regularly (at least once or twice per month) and I tell you you would have to know the city damn well to be able to find any hard drugs. Yes, people smoke pot, but they do that either in their homes, or in coffeeshops, which are licensed to sell pot. Without the drugstourism (mainly from Germany and the USA) Amsterdam would resemble a medium sized cozy old town. With just over 1 million inhabitants Amsterdam would fit many times in any large American city. The idea that Amsterdam is a sesspool of drugs and sex is a stupid myth, kept alive by stupid foreigners..
Anyway, you don't seem to be able to make your mind up on what this thread is about anyway. In my mind it was about legalizing pot when it's being used for medical purposes. You're just anti drugs - no matter what, and there are no grey areas. When you get depressed, what do you take? A glass of water? I think not - you seem like the type that would not think twice before popping prozac, valium or whatever. Think about that before you pass judgment - and I'm NOT talking about taking pot as a leisure drug, but I was talking about it in the medicinal sense (which does BTW not mean I'm against pot as a leisure drug, I've just "grown over" it).
I don't use any kind of drugs ever. except an occasional aspirin after getting slamed on these forums. When i get stressed or depressed i excercise. It Works. Its just my opinion that it would open up a pandoras box to allow medical mariuana. Everyone please excuse me of having a different view than the rest of the forum.
Anyway, you don't seem to be able to make your mind up on what this thread is about anyway. In my mind it was about legalizing pot when it's being used for medical purposes. You're just anti drugs - no matter what, and there are no grey areas. When you get depressed, what do you take? A glass of water? I think not - you seem like the type that would not think twice before popping prozac, valium or whatever. Think about that before you pass judgment - and I'm NOT talking about taking pot as a leisure drug, but I was talking about it in the medicinal sense (which does BTW not mean I'm against pot as a leisure drug, I've just "grown over" it).
I don't use any kind of drugs ever. except an occasional aspirin after getting slamed on these forums. When i get stressed or depressed i excercise. It Works. Its just my opinion that it would open up a pandoras box to allow medical mariuana. Everyone please excuse me of having a different view than the rest of the forum.
DontBeAfraid
Dec 2nd, 2004, 11:41 AM
Your opinion is UNINFORMED....
MetalMilitia
Dec 2nd, 2004, 11:50 AM
Well this has widened out beyond weed, so lemme work my magic.
A drug is any substance that can be used to treat an illness, relieve a symptom, or modify a chemical process or processes in the body. The word "drug" is ethymologically derived from the Dutch/Low German word "droog", which means "dry", since in the past, most drugs were dried plant parts.
40% OF AMERICANS TAKE DRUGS
WASHINGTON (AP) - More than 40 percent of Americans take at least one prescription drug and one-in-six takes at least three, the government reported Thursday.
"Americans are taking medicines that lower cholesterol and reduce the threat of heart disease, that help lift people out of debilitating depressions, and that keep diabetes in check," Health and Human Services Secretary Tommy G. Thompson said in a statement.
The annual report on Americans' health found that just over 44 percent of all Americans take at least one prescription drug, and 16.5 percent take at least three.
Those rates were up from 39 percent and 12 percent between 1988 and 1994, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reported.
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20041202/D86NJPOG0.html
40% man... most of which are WORSE and MORE MIND ALTERING - or body chemical altering - than some stupid plant that GROWS naturally. MIddle aged ladies popping valium, xanex or whatever the fuck it is... trying to 'releive stress'
So what've you got on "pot heads"? Me, being that I *WAS* a pot head for 4-5 years (cant remember how long cause I was stoned outta my fuckin mind) did not much more than hang out with friends, play games, or 'Jam' music-wise. Seems a little more harmless than people say, and the stereotypes people present are false nearly 90% of the time. As much as I laughed at the movie 'half baked' I know that people over-exert the situation."Pot" doesn't make you dumb, and if you have self-control it won't mess up your life.
A drug is any substance that can be used to treat an illness, relieve a symptom, or modify a chemical process or processes in the body. The word "drug" is ethymologically derived from the Dutch/Low German word "droog", which means "dry", since in the past, most drugs were dried plant parts.
40% OF AMERICANS TAKE DRUGS
WASHINGTON (AP) - More than 40 percent of Americans take at least one prescription drug and one-in-six takes at least three, the government reported Thursday.
"Americans are taking medicines that lower cholesterol and reduce the threat of heart disease, that help lift people out of debilitating depressions, and that keep diabetes in check," Health and Human Services Secretary Tommy G. Thompson said in a statement.
The annual report on Americans' health found that just over 44 percent of all Americans take at least one prescription drug, and 16.5 percent take at least three.
Those rates were up from 39 percent and 12 percent between 1988 and 1994, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reported.
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20041202/D86NJPOG0.html
40% man... most of which are WORSE and MORE MIND ALTERING - or body chemical altering - than some stupid plant that GROWS naturally. MIddle aged ladies popping valium, xanex or whatever the fuck it is... trying to 'releive stress'
So what've you got on "pot heads"? Me, being that I *WAS* a pot head for 4-5 years (cant remember how long cause I was stoned outta my fuckin mind) did not much more than hang out with friends, play games, or 'Jam' music-wise. Seems a little more harmless than people say, and the stereotypes people present are false nearly 90% of the time. As much as I laughed at the movie 'half baked' I know that people over-exert the situation."Pot" doesn't make you dumb, and if you have self-control it won't mess up your life.
Death Rattle
Dec 2nd, 2004, 11:50 AM
Your opinion is UNINFORMED....
My opinion is clear not clouded over with a purple haze. :headbang:
My opinion is clear not clouded over with a purple haze. :headbang:
MetalMilitia
Dec 2nd, 2004, 11:53 AM
Look up homes
Keeblergiant
Dec 2nd, 2004, 3:06 PM
My opinion is clear not clouded over with a purple haze.
You're right, it's clouded by ignorance.
You're right, it's clouded by ignorance.
substand
Dec 2nd, 2004, 6:25 PM
Does that make me a druggie / rehab/ braindead / stoner?
yes.
=)
I have known plenty of obnoxious drunks and stoners. I've known plenty of people who did all kinds of drugs... a couple died, some turned out to be the biggest losers in the world, and others I live with who work hard and are productive members of society... one with a degree in PoliSci, currently in law school. One pursuing a degree in history and learning russian on the way, and one with a cum laude degree in polisci and another in computer science.
Death Rattle, perhaps you could explain to us what it is that you think pot does that it is so bad? My own opinion is that there are plenty of legal drugs that could be and are used in the same manner they talk about using pot for in medicine.
But, if I am correct, the US is a federal system. Therefore, states have rights and the national government does not interfere with state matters in crimes, unless those crimes cross borders. If a state legalizes mary jane for medicinal purposes, it is not a right of the national government to stop them from doing that, or to arrest growers and users and sellers of the drug that is legal in that state. This is clearly described in our constitution.
So what is it that makes the use of pot bad, and what is it that gives the national government the right to stop a state from legalizing it for medical purposes?
Further, I think what Emerald Dragon said about the 21st Amendment being repealed (actually the 21st amendment repealed the 18th amendment which banned alcohol) is a great arguement for decriminalizing drugs. The criminalization of drugs has led to exactly what it led to way back when- the rise of organized crime. We call them gangs, and they operate only with the funds we give them by making drugs (and other things to be sure) illegal. This creates a black market where only criminals will operate, and provides highly inflated prices which brings more profit and further incentive to sell, along with people needing to kill and steal to buy drugs. Legalizing drugs would instantly cripple gangs, as the market they fill would no longer exist.
Terrorists are funded with drug money? Don't blame the potheads, blame the government. Legalization would certainly end the terrorist funding from drugs.
yes.
=)
I have known plenty of obnoxious drunks and stoners. I've known plenty of people who did all kinds of drugs... a couple died, some turned out to be the biggest losers in the world, and others I live with who work hard and are productive members of society... one with a degree in PoliSci, currently in law school. One pursuing a degree in history and learning russian on the way, and one with a cum laude degree in polisci and another in computer science.
Death Rattle, perhaps you could explain to us what it is that you think pot does that it is so bad? My own opinion is that there are plenty of legal drugs that could be and are used in the same manner they talk about using pot for in medicine.
But, if I am correct, the US is a federal system. Therefore, states have rights and the national government does not interfere with state matters in crimes, unless those crimes cross borders. If a state legalizes mary jane for medicinal purposes, it is not a right of the national government to stop them from doing that, or to arrest growers and users and sellers of the drug that is legal in that state. This is clearly described in our constitution.
So what is it that makes the use of pot bad, and what is it that gives the national government the right to stop a state from legalizing it for medical purposes?
Further, I think what Emerald Dragon said about the 21st Amendment being repealed (actually the 21st amendment repealed the 18th amendment which banned alcohol) is a great arguement for decriminalizing drugs. The criminalization of drugs has led to exactly what it led to way back when- the rise of organized crime. We call them gangs, and they operate only with the funds we give them by making drugs (and other things to be sure) illegal. This creates a black market where only criminals will operate, and provides highly inflated prices which brings more profit and further incentive to sell, along with people needing to kill and steal to buy drugs. Legalizing drugs would instantly cripple gangs, as the market they fill would no longer exist.
Terrorists are funded with drug money? Don't blame the potheads, blame the government. Legalization would certainly end the terrorist funding from drugs.
MetalMilitia
Dec 2nd, 2004, 6:31 PM
And some turn out to beat 280 others to win a poker tournament.
What a messed up world :D
What a messed up world :D
Skippy
Dec 3rd, 2004, 5:13 PM
I've been to Amsterdam, and I didn't really like it. Not because of the red light district or the coffee shops, but because it's like the Niagara Falls of Europe....too touristy for my tastes. I much preferred Amersfoort and Nijmegen.
The issue of the benefits of marijuana have long been proven. Medical heroine? Absolutely, it is a very effective pain reliever for people who have cancer, and some countries do allow its prescription for this purpose.
In just 24 hours of having been at this place, I have made one observation. Death Rattle is a parasite here. First off, you can always tell a young person online because they will have death, dark, or lord in the name they choose. You fit this bill to a tee. You are an opinionated little shit who would be better off learning from those who are able to post here with some reflection and insight. You think you know so much, yet you are in pre-school in the school of life, and you are trying to take down the professors. Your ego and your arrogance cloud everything you say. While your energy may be admirable to you and your likeminded friends, you add nothing, and from every post you have made, you have taken something away from here. If you have wisdom, you will heed my words and humble yourself, I doubt that you do. My advice is accomplsih something in this world and then perhaps you might have something to say, but please finish your homework first. While I expect a tirade of abuse from you, your words will have no effect on my opinion of you.
The issue of the benefits of marijuana have long been proven. Medical heroine? Absolutely, it is a very effective pain reliever for people who have cancer, and some countries do allow its prescription for this purpose.
In just 24 hours of having been at this place, I have made one observation. Death Rattle is a parasite here. First off, you can always tell a young person online because they will have death, dark, or lord in the name they choose. You fit this bill to a tee. You are an opinionated little shit who would be better off learning from those who are able to post here with some reflection and insight. You think you know so much, yet you are in pre-school in the school of life, and you are trying to take down the professors. Your ego and your arrogance cloud everything you say. While your energy may be admirable to you and your likeminded friends, you add nothing, and from every post you have made, you have taken something away from here. If you have wisdom, you will heed my words and humble yourself, I doubt that you do. My advice is accomplsih something in this world and then perhaps you might have something to say, but please finish your homework first. While I expect a tirade of abuse from you, your words will have no effect on my opinion of you.
lotrfan55345
Dec 3rd, 2004, 5:41 PM
you can always tell a young person online because they will have death, dark, or lord in the name they choose.
I'm a young person... does the "l" in my screename for lord of the rings fan count? :P
Then we can all be like Amsterdam. Drug addicts and prostitution everywhere.
This is AMSTERDAM:
http://www.medialink.nl/image/amsterdam-map.gif
http://www.xs4all.nl/~fmjacobs/fotos/amsterdam1w.jpg
http://forum.nifty.com/fworld/airline/j/tramtop.jpg
OMG so backwards and slummy! It's so third world! They use this evil thing called mass public transportation it's evil! They say it's more efficient and is good for the evil "environment", see, this is the result of their drug use! Halliburton is not making anymore money! They also use WIND POWER omg thats so bad! Stoned/addicted/heathen bastards!
I'm a young person... does the "l" in my screename for lord of the rings fan count? :P
Then we can all be like Amsterdam. Drug addicts and prostitution everywhere.
This is AMSTERDAM:
http://www.medialink.nl/image/amsterdam-map.gif
http://www.xs4all.nl/~fmjacobs/fotos/amsterdam1w.jpg
http://forum.nifty.com/fworld/airline/j/tramtop.jpg
OMG so backwards and slummy! It's so third world! They use this evil thing called mass public transportation it's evil! They say it's more efficient and is good for the evil "environment", see, this is the result of their drug use! Halliburton is not making anymore money! They also use WIND POWER omg thats so bad! Stoned/addicted/heathen bastards!
Skippy
Dec 3rd, 2004, 6:01 PM
I'm a young person... does the "l" in my screename for lord of the rings fan count? :P
Touché! :) ...Sorry, I meant to say it backassendward...people who use death, dark or lord are almost always very young people.
Touché! :) ...Sorry, I meant to say it backassendward...people who use death, dark or lord are almost always very young people.
stringybeef
Dec 3rd, 2004, 7:22 PM
I'd have to say pot does do harm. Ive seen some of the smartest people turn to complete dead-beat idiots after smokin alot of pot. I myself after smokin pot for about a year or two had trouble talking and communicated with other people. It completely fried my mind. Its one of the reasons I stop smokin it and now im fine. But I would legalize pot if it is controlled like alcohol and should be used to for medical purposes
Bigsky770
Dec 3rd, 2004, 8:03 PM
. . .Instead of changing "water into wine" Jesus had turned the blades of grass into "Kona-Gold?"
. . .Decades of stupidity in the form of Anti-Marijuana-use public-service messages that have brainwashed up to now and inclusive of a population of idiots into actually BELIEVING "Marijuana" is a "Gateway-Drug". Spend a little time, delve into the camp-film archives and SEE how silly the perceptions are of those that EVEN stooped so-low as to turn this into a type of "race-baiting". (BLACKS were once thought to be so-called "Reefer-Addicts!") and were thought to have a natural predisposition to the use thereof; to carry these perceptions to the HERE and NOW is to BOW to this disturbed ASSININE thinking and does no service to a THINKING INDIVIDUAL!
. . .In truth, ANYTHING CAN BE A GATEWAY DRUG for those who so-easily succumb to this form of BRAIN-WASHING. Free your mind, and realize, had 'prohibition' NEVER been overturned, IT SURELY would have followed through to today as a "Gateway Drug", because by-and-large public perceptions would been bent towards that direction by those in control; But this was not to be/lest we forget? Joseph Kennedy (JFK's father) got his START as a BOOTLEGGER, NOT a POT-GROWER! This was the "elite" pastime". . .Doesn't THAT just speak volumes? The FOLLOWING is TRUE and UNDISPUTABLE.
1. Marijuana, IN and OF itself, I HAVE NEVER KNOWN ANYONE TO DIE FROM THE USE THEREOF.
2. Alcohol, IN and OF itself, CAN AND HAS TOXIFIED INDIVIDUALS AND CAN BE EARMARKED AS A CAUSATIVE FACTOR IN DEATH.
. . .Society turns something into a 'forbidden fruit' and see where human-nature takes you; REMOVE the 'stigma' attached, and Marijuana becomes passe', kids won't bother because it's just not the "IN" thing anymore, no real statement to be made when it just DOESN'T MATTER ANYMORE, There's no sense of "REBELLION" with the use then.
. . .In closing, perhaps I should be thankful "Prohibition" never DOES come back! (and WE think WE HAVE PROBLEMS NOW?) Easily 60% of our youth would be KIA THEN!
Think on THAT for awhile. . . Joe (Bigsky770) :mad:
GET IT?
. . .Decades of stupidity in the form of Anti-Marijuana-use public-service messages that have brainwashed up to now and inclusive of a population of idiots into actually BELIEVING "Marijuana" is a "Gateway-Drug". Spend a little time, delve into the camp-film archives and SEE how silly the perceptions are of those that EVEN stooped so-low as to turn this into a type of "race-baiting". (BLACKS were once thought to be so-called "Reefer-Addicts!") and were thought to have a natural predisposition to the use thereof; to carry these perceptions to the HERE and NOW is to BOW to this disturbed ASSININE thinking and does no service to a THINKING INDIVIDUAL!
. . .In truth, ANYTHING CAN BE A GATEWAY DRUG for those who so-easily succumb to this form of BRAIN-WASHING. Free your mind, and realize, had 'prohibition' NEVER been overturned, IT SURELY would have followed through to today as a "Gateway Drug", because by-and-large public perceptions would been bent towards that direction by those in control; But this was not to be/lest we forget? Joseph Kennedy (JFK's father) got his START as a BOOTLEGGER, NOT a POT-GROWER! This was the "elite" pastime". . .Doesn't THAT just speak volumes? The FOLLOWING is TRUE and UNDISPUTABLE.
1. Marijuana, IN and OF itself, I HAVE NEVER KNOWN ANYONE TO DIE FROM THE USE THEREOF.
2. Alcohol, IN and OF itself, CAN AND HAS TOXIFIED INDIVIDUALS AND CAN BE EARMARKED AS A CAUSATIVE FACTOR IN DEATH.
. . .Society turns something into a 'forbidden fruit' and see where human-nature takes you; REMOVE the 'stigma' attached, and Marijuana becomes passe', kids won't bother because it's just not the "IN" thing anymore, no real statement to be made when it just DOESN'T MATTER ANYMORE, There's no sense of "REBELLION" with the use then.
. . .In closing, perhaps I should be thankful "Prohibition" never DOES come back! (and WE think WE HAVE PROBLEMS NOW?) Easily 60% of our youth would be KIA THEN!
Think on THAT for awhile. . . Joe (Bigsky770) :mad:
GET IT?
Keeblergiant
Dec 3rd, 2004, 8:08 PM
Ive seen some of the smartest people turn to complete dead-beat idiots after smokin alot of pot.
The most intelligent friend I have tokes up before going to school, after getting home from school, after dinner, and before bed...everyday...and this has gone on since 8th grade.
The most intelligent friend I have tokes up before going to school, after getting home from school, after dinner, and before bed...everyday...and this has gone on since 8th grade.
stringybeef
Dec 3rd, 2004, 11:16 PM
The most intelligent friend I have tokes up before going to school, after getting home from school, after dinner, and before bed...everyday...and this has gone on since 8th grade
You must not have alot of intelligent friends..
You must not have alot of intelligent friends..
Bigsky770
Dec 4th, 2004, 2:31 AM
. . .For you to say that you had found that particular news-item's enough for me. Concentrations THAT abundant within the human body of THC could likely kill given that a one could POSSIBLY ingest/inhale that much before losing conciousness would have to be (as you say) RARE that being the qualifier here.
. . .Look Micky, I'll never claim that the use of "Marijuana" is GOOD for a body; THAT would be a lie. What I argue is this strange societal disparity there is that exists where "Alcohol" (where I have most assuredly witnessed the greatest degree of damage from) is LEGAL/yes, even 'socially acceptable' and "Marijuana" and the use thereof, hell/yer talkin' a 180-degree turn of difference there, my friend. Not EVEN as rare by comparison to what you present is the chemical effects upon certain individuals where Alcohol, (upon certain individuals) can cause them to exhibit violent tendencies and acting-out behavior, where for all practical purposes these same tendencies would be a 'null' given that the same individual would be otherwise affected by THC. Ask any police officer who they'd RATHER have to deal with in a given situation and you'll get a fairly one-sided response that they would RATHER deal with a 'one' intox. -w- THC as opposed to Alcohol.
. . .Gotta say, my friend/you did provide me with a chuckle here:
...PM88 might know him...
. . .Never miss a 'parting shot', do yah?. . .heh. . . .
Joe (Bigsky770) :vbroll:
. . .Look Micky, I'll never claim that the use of "Marijuana" is GOOD for a body; THAT would be a lie. What I argue is this strange societal disparity there is that exists where "Alcohol" (where I have most assuredly witnessed the greatest degree of damage from) is LEGAL/yes, even 'socially acceptable' and "Marijuana" and the use thereof, hell/yer talkin' a 180-degree turn of difference there, my friend. Not EVEN as rare by comparison to what you present is the chemical effects upon certain individuals where Alcohol, (upon certain individuals) can cause them to exhibit violent tendencies and acting-out behavior, where for all practical purposes these same tendencies would be a 'null' given that the same individual would be otherwise affected by THC. Ask any police officer who they'd RATHER have to deal with in a given situation and you'll get a fairly one-sided response that they would RATHER deal with a 'one' intox. -w- THC as opposed to Alcohol.
. . .Gotta say, my friend/you did provide me with a chuckle here:
...PM88 might know him...
. . .Never miss a 'parting shot', do yah?. . .heh. . . .
Joe (Bigsky770) :vbroll:
Skippy
Dec 4th, 2004, 7:18 AM
damned history at it again (http://www.medicalmarijuanaprocon.org/bin/procon/procon.cgi?database=2%2eInfo%20Key%2edb&command=viewone&id=8)
Saw this on Rense this morning.
Saw this on Rense this morning.
RavenWhitefang
Dec 4th, 2004, 9:52 AM
Pre 1000 BC Cannabis use begins in India to overcome hunger and thirst by the religious mendicants.
To over come hunger and thirst..... :confused:
To over come hunger and thirst..... :confused:
substand
Dec 4th, 2004, 11:58 AM
interesting link skippy... i browsed it, and now I wonder what was happening for marijuana to lose favor in the medical community from 1856 to 1937... any ideas?
Skippy
Dec 4th, 2004, 12:02 PM
Dupont. If you do a bit of research you will find that the US Attorney General, at the time had a brother-in-law who was CEO at Dupont. It was to allow Dupont to replace hemp products with plastics. That's why the name was changed to marijuana because nobody knew what that was. The law was passed pretty muchlike the Patriot Act, and it was only after it was passed that people realised what had happened. Might be off a bit on some details, but that's the gyst of it.
Keeblergiant
Dec 4th, 2004, 2:35 PM
interesting link skippy... i browsed it, and now I wonder what was happening for marijuana to lose favor in the medical community from 1856 to 1937... any ideas?
To quote the lp.org: "The first laws prohibiting drugs were racist in origin -- to prevent Chinese laborers from using opium and to prevent blacks and Hispanics from using cocaine and marijuana."
To quote the lp.org: "The first laws prohibiting drugs were racist in origin -- to prevent Chinese laborers from using opium and to prevent blacks and Hispanics from using cocaine and marijuana."
substand
Dec 5th, 2004, 5:17 PM
To quote the lp.org:
Sometimes I love the LP... sometimes I hate them.
Sometimes I love the LP... sometimes I hate them.
Keeblergiant
Dec 5th, 2004, 9:16 PM
Traitor...haha
Defiant Noquisi
Dec 7th, 2004, 10:38 PM
I agree that medicinal use of marijuana should be allowed by law. Just using history alone, it is one of the few organic materials in the world that has as much history and research in medicinal use behind it.
Scare tactics abound such as the "gateway drug" myth and the unknown/unamed chemical compounds. However, how many chemicals have we heard of over the years that have caused numerous illnesses and disease, destroying peoples lives and killing them with little or veiled research?
I agree that there are weak minded people who smoke it for an escape from everyday life. There are many people abusing alcohol, cigarettes and oxycontin too yet these are accessible via being "legal" or by prescription.
Even aspirin is not without its historical skeletons in the closet. The production of aspirin is deeply rooted in funding Nazi Germany via being blackmailed, slave labor and the Auschwitz death camps. Yet the actual finalization of a form of acetylsalicylic acid was directed by a Jewish man pre-blackmail. (An interesting side note; the German company Bayer owned the trademarks to both aspirin and heroin but was forced to give them up in the Treaty of Versailles.) Since no credit could be attributted to a Jew, a German by the name of Hoffman was linked to the success of the formula of aspirin in use today. http://www.indystar.com/articles/9/199487-2769-P.html
The world of medicine has been and is fraught with many ill researched facts and myths, pot being in my opinion the most abused by it of all. Recreational use aside, I dare anyone to deny a cancer patient the opportunity to use something that would produce less illness and side effects while undergoing chemo treatment. How dare anyone prevent a terminally ill person the right to pass out of this world with less pain and virtually no side effects that marijuana can give them. It may go way against your grain but pot may give these people and others like them the chance for some dignity while facing probably the most agonizing and terrifying time of their lives.
Scare tactics abound such as the "gateway drug" myth and the unknown/unamed chemical compounds. However, how many chemicals have we heard of over the years that have caused numerous illnesses and disease, destroying peoples lives and killing them with little or veiled research?
I agree that there are weak minded people who smoke it for an escape from everyday life. There are many people abusing alcohol, cigarettes and oxycontin too yet these are accessible via being "legal" or by prescription.
Even aspirin is not without its historical skeletons in the closet. The production of aspirin is deeply rooted in funding Nazi Germany via being blackmailed, slave labor and the Auschwitz death camps. Yet the actual finalization of a form of acetylsalicylic acid was directed by a Jewish man pre-blackmail. (An interesting side note; the German company Bayer owned the trademarks to both aspirin and heroin but was forced to give them up in the Treaty of Versailles.) Since no credit could be attributted to a Jew, a German by the name of Hoffman was linked to the success of the formula of aspirin in use today. http://www.indystar.com/articles/9/199487-2769-P.html
The world of medicine has been and is fraught with many ill researched facts and myths, pot being in my opinion the most abused by it of all. Recreational use aside, I dare anyone to deny a cancer patient the opportunity to use something that would produce less illness and side effects while undergoing chemo treatment. How dare anyone prevent a terminally ill person the right to pass out of this world with less pain and virtually no side effects that marijuana can give them. It may go way against your grain but pot may give these people and others like them the chance for some dignity while facing probably the most agonizing and terrifying time of their lives.
dutchie
Dec 8th, 2004, 12:39 AM
Amen to that. Good post, DN.
Death Rattle
Dec 8th, 2004, 3:05 PM
Amen to that. Good post, DN.
Sorry ain't buying it. There are plenty of other drugs such as moraphine for the terminally ill. There is no need to legalize pot for that purpose. Nice try though. :Bott:
Sorry ain't buying it. There are plenty of other drugs such as moraphine for the terminally ill. There is no need to legalize pot for that purpose. Nice try though. :Bott:
PunkRockMaL7
Dec 8th, 2004, 3:30 PM
Damn i wish i would have found this thread earlier...but anywho...i'm an open pot smoker...have been smoking for about 6 years now. I have a 5 year old daughter who i care about dearly...if it wasnt for the pot smoking...i dont know if we would get along near as well...I also live on my own i make damn good money and i've never missed a day of work because of laziness or anything related to pot. I've actually attended and participated in rallies to legalize marijuana. I personally think the world would be a much nicer more pleasant place, because 95% of marijuana smokers do it to relax, not cause chaos. :band:
Keeblergiant
Dec 8th, 2004, 5:29 PM
Sorry ain't buying it. There are plenty of other drugs such as moraphine for the terminally ill. There is no need to legalize pot for that purpose. Nice try though.
No. The thing about marijuana is that it is much safer to use as often as would be needed for medical cases, where as morphine users became very addicted and develop physical and psychological dependence very fast. There are extreme withdrawal conditions, and tolerance is easy to develop as addiction. Here's a list of side effects taken from drug-abuse-treatment.org:
# anxiety
# involuntary movement of the eyeball
# blurred vision / double vision
# constipation "pinpoint" pupils
# chills
# depressed or irritable mood
# itching
# cramps
# dizziness
# rash
# diarrhea
# drowsiness
# rigid muscles
# inability to urinate
# exaggerated sense of well-being
# seizure
# dreams
# light - headedness
# swelling due to fluid retention
# dry mouth
# nausea
# tingling or pins and needles
# facial flushing
# sedation
# tremor
# fainting / faintness
# sweating
# uncoordinated muscle movements
# floating feeling
# vomiting
# weakness
# hallucinations
# agitation
# abdominal pain
# headache
# allergic reaction
# abnormal thinking
# high/low blood pressure
# appetite loss
# accidental injury
# hives
# apprehension
# memory loss insomnia
Yeah, sounds safe to me.
Also, why would you even imagine that morphine is any safer than marijuana? What do you have against pot that you don't have against the other legal, albeit "harder", drugs?
No. The thing about marijuana is that it is much safer to use as often as would be needed for medical cases, where as morphine users became very addicted and develop physical and psychological dependence very fast. There are extreme withdrawal conditions, and tolerance is easy to develop as addiction. Here's a list of side effects taken from drug-abuse-treatment.org:
# anxiety
# involuntary movement of the eyeball
# blurred vision / double vision
# constipation "pinpoint" pupils
# chills
# depressed or irritable mood
# itching
# cramps
# dizziness
# rash
# diarrhea
# drowsiness
# rigid muscles
# inability to urinate
# exaggerated sense of well-being
# seizure
# dreams
# light - headedness
# swelling due to fluid retention
# dry mouth
# nausea
# tingling or pins and needles
# facial flushing
# sedation
# tremor
# fainting / faintness
# sweating
# uncoordinated muscle movements
# floating feeling
# vomiting
# weakness
# hallucinations
# agitation
# abdominal pain
# headache
# allergic reaction
# abnormal thinking
# high/low blood pressure
# appetite loss
# accidental injury
# hives
# apprehension
# memory loss insomnia
Yeah, sounds safe to me.
Also, why would you even imagine that morphine is any safer than marijuana? What do you have against pot that you don't have against the other legal, albeit "harder", drugs?
lotrfan55345
Dec 8th, 2004, 5:54 PM
Here are the long term side effects of Marijuana:
Risk of lung cancer due to lack of filter.
Latent psychoses may be triggered, but unlikely.
Psychological dependence is possible.
There is a risk of damage to the health of unborn children if women smoke during pregnancy.
Frequent use of cannabis products may lead to impairment of the short-term memory, a reversible effect which will improve once the user has stopped taking the drug.
A possibility of flashbacks (sudden occurrence of highs even several weeks after the last time the drug was used), though rare.
Cigarette smoking is just as dangerous as this and its legal. If Marijuana had filters it would probably be "safer" than cigarettes.
Risk of lung cancer due to lack of filter.
Latent psychoses may be triggered, but unlikely.
Psychological dependence is possible.
There is a risk of damage to the health of unborn children if women smoke during pregnancy.
Frequent use of cannabis products may lead to impairment of the short-term memory, a reversible effect which will improve once the user has stopped taking the drug.
A possibility of flashbacks (sudden occurrence of highs even several weeks after the last time the drug was used), though rare.
Cigarette smoking is just as dangerous as this and its legal. If Marijuana had filters it would probably be "safer" than cigarettes.
Defiant Noquisi
Dec 8th, 2004, 8:06 PM
Sorry ain't buying it. There are plenty of other drugs such as moraphine for the terminally ill. There is no need to legalize pot for that purpose. Nice try though. :Bott:I dont need to go over the side effects of morphine since someone else did, and which you seem to be unaware of.
Aside from that, being pumped up full of another heavy drug is not a valid option for morphine use. Especially since the person pumped full of it is too drugged out to have any effective way to communicate with their loved ones in their final hours. Ive watched it happen and it was a very painful experience for everyone involved. Not only that but this person was so weak to begin with that making them weaker with more drugs defeated the purpose of them being brought home to die surrounded by their loved ones.
Something else you may not have ever considered, morphine does not work for everyone. It doesnt do anything to me at all.
As lotr pointed out smoking pot isnt without its own risks. However, for temporary medicinal use it beats anything out there.
Aside from that, being pumped up full of another heavy drug is not a valid option for morphine use. Especially since the person pumped full of it is too drugged out to have any effective way to communicate with their loved ones in their final hours. Ive watched it happen and it was a very painful experience for everyone involved. Not only that but this person was so weak to begin with that making them weaker with more drugs defeated the purpose of them being brought home to die surrounded by their loved ones.
Something else you may not have ever considered, morphine does not work for everyone. It doesnt do anything to me at all.
As lotr pointed out smoking pot isnt without its own risks. However, for temporary medicinal use it beats anything out there.
substand
Dec 16th, 2004, 10:15 PM
morphine does not work for everyone. It doesnt do anything to me at all.
Thats called tolerance dear. Don't ruin it for the rest of us just because you've used so damn much of it that you are no longer affected. =)
Thats called tolerance dear. Don't ruin it for the rest of us just because you've used so damn much of it that you are no longer affected. =)
dutchie
Dec 17th, 2004, 1:12 AM
..that wasn't very nice, now was it, subs?
MacRasta
Dec 17th, 2004, 12:29 PM
...and I'll say this only once (for the 4th time)
Legalize it all, and only the strong survive.
Give it for free, and less violence in the streets. Police gots time for something else to worry about..
Start with a joint and end up with a needle in the arm.....Bullshit! Those are the same people who start drinking a beer and end up with a few bottles of alcohol a day....yeah, no stick can get you that funcked up.
Like someonce replied to my earlier post (earlier thread) : something like .... good going Mac, just let your kids die in the streets (or rot or whatever), funck that, I'll raise my kids in such way that they'll understand the danger and effects of those dangerous, or "hard" drugs, and if they end up with the needle...too bad man...
Some people here really believe that if you legalize something, it'll get worse, everyone will do it.
Here in Belgium, more people use weed than in Holland, and that is a fact. You guys know that a lot of weed sold in south-Holland coffee shops is cultivated in Belgium? ... Guess not...
And it's not only Belgium, it's all surrounding countries.
So, again, LEGALIZE IT ALL, GIVE IT FOR FREE!!
MacIsBackInAttack
PS: Greetz to mi ol frends, sorry for being off-line so long, talk to you guys a bit later about that. Glad to be back! :headbang:
Legalize it all, and only the strong survive.
Give it for free, and less violence in the streets. Police gots time for something else to worry about..
Start with a joint and end up with a needle in the arm.....Bullshit! Those are the same people who start drinking a beer and end up with a few bottles of alcohol a day....yeah, no stick can get you that funcked up.
Like someonce replied to my earlier post (earlier thread) : something like .... good going Mac, just let your kids die in the streets (or rot or whatever), funck that, I'll raise my kids in such way that they'll understand the danger and effects of those dangerous, or "hard" drugs, and if they end up with the needle...too bad man...
Some people here really believe that if you legalize something, it'll get worse, everyone will do it.
Here in Belgium, more people use weed than in Holland, and that is a fact. You guys know that a lot of weed sold in south-Holland coffee shops is cultivated in Belgium? ... Guess not...
And it's not only Belgium, it's all surrounding countries.
So, again, LEGALIZE IT ALL, GIVE IT FOR FREE!!
MacIsBackInAttack
PS: Greetz to mi ol frends, sorry for being off-line so long, talk to you guys a bit later about that. Glad to be back! :headbang:
substand
Dec 17th, 2004, 12:43 PM
..that wasn't very nice, now was it, subs?
twas only a joke. i'm sure she laughed...
twas only a joke. i'm sure she laughed...
lotrfan55345
Dec 17th, 2004, 4:23 PM
What other drugs should be legalized?
Here are some other "soft" drugs:
X, K, Mescaline, Liquid X, Mushrooms, Laughing Gas, etc...
Should they be legalized too? They are relatively 'soft' so yeah...
IMO, I think they should.
Here are some other "soft" drugs:
X, K, Mescaline, Liquid X, Mushrooms, Laughing Gas, etc...
Should they be legalized too? They are relatively 'soft' so yeah...
IMO, I think they should.
Skippy
Dec 17th, 2004, 5:30 PM
What other drugs should be legalized?
Here are some other "soft" drugs:
X, K, Mescaline, Liquid X, Mushrooms, Laughing Gas, etc...
Should they be legalized too? They are relatively 'soft' so yeah...
IMO, I think they should.
Uh....in that list only shrooms should be legalized. None of the others could be considered a soft drug, and for the most part they are produced in basement labs. There are no controls and they are in fact quite dangerous. All of them have deaths attributed to them. Neither pot nor shrooms has deadly effects.
Here are some other "soft" drugs:
X, K, Mescaline, Liquid X, Mushrooms, Laughing Gas, etc...
Should they be legalized too? They are relatively 'soft' so yeah...
IMO, I think they should.
Uh....in that list only shrooms should be legalized. None of the others could be considered a soft drug, and for the most part they are produced in basement labs. There are no controls and they are in fact quite dangerous. All of them have deaths attributed to them. Neither pot nor shrooms has deadly effects.
lotrfan55345
Dec 17th, 2004, 5:53 PM
If they were legalized, legit companies would make them ALOT safer, leigt companies would make the drugs with certified labs. No more basement labs and no more cuts with hard drugs like meth...
Keeblergiant
Dec 18th, 2004, 12:53 AM
What about LSD? The only two drugs that we know about that are not physically addictive are LSD and marijuana. LSD should definitely be legalized (with laws to restrict it's use, of course).
Defiant Noquisi
Dec 19th, 2004, 9:55 AM
We all know that you know who will be against whatever has to do with pot....it's always the most extreme that has to ruin it for everyone else.You shouldnt talk about Bush like that MD. It's disrespectful. :Bott: :crazy:
Blackhawk
Dec 19th, 2004, 10:14 PM
Dupont. If you do a bit of research you will find that the US Attorney General, at the time had a brother-in-law who was CEO at Dupont. It was to allow Dupont to replace hemp products with plastics. That's why the name was changed to marijuana because nobody knew what that was. The law was passed pretty muchlike the Patriot Act, and it was only after it was passed that people realised what had happened. Might be off a bit on some details, but that's the gyst of it.
Just to add to what you said. Patents. You cannot patent pot and just about anyone can grow it....zero profit potential. Plastics, and synthetic painkillers, on the other hand....
Just to add to what you said. Patents. You cannot patent pot and just about anyone can grow it....zero profit potential. Plastics, and synthetic painkillers, on the other hand....
substand
Dec 20th, 2004, 12:26 PM
zero profit potential
i buy a pound for 1000 pesos. i sell it in 10 chunks for 150 pesos each. i sell all 10 chunks, i've just made 500 pesos in profit.
i buy a pound for 1000 pesos. i sell it in 10 chunks for 150 pesos each. i sell all 10 chunks, i've just made 500 pesos in profit.
dutchie
Dec 20th, 2004, 1:42 PM
Well, waddayaknow....
BRILLIANT subs!! I'm gonna try that!!
BRILLIANT subs!! I'm gonna try that!!
substand
Dec 20th, 2004, 4:55 PM
leave it to the evil capitalist to find ways to make money selling things.
Blackhawk
Dec 20th, 2004, 4:59 PM
i buy a pound for 1000 pesos. i sell it in 10 chunks for 150 pesos each. i sell all 10 chunks, i've just made 500 pesos in profit.
Perhaps I should have been clearer. Since there is no profit potential in a LEGAL, easily growable substance the powers that be make it illegal so that patentable alternatives can hold sway in the market.
If pot is legalized your profit goes bye-bye.
Perhaps I should have been clearer. Since there is no profit potential in a LEGAL, easily growable substance the powers that be make it illegal so that patentable alternatives can hold sway in the market.
If pot is legalized your profit goes bye-bye.
lotrfan55345
Dec 20th, 2004, 5:04 PM
If pot was legal, they can raise the price as much as they want...
Oh, and I dont consider LAUGHING GAS a "hard" drug. The only benefit sitting 2.5hrs getting braces put on is having laughing gas inhaled . I had a 90% cut, the highest you can go without aspyxiation and I dont see any side effects. It's also legal...
Oh, and I dont consider LAUGHING GAS a "hard" drug. The only benefit sitting 2.5hrs getting braces put on is having laughing gas inhaled . I had a 90% cut, the highest you can go without aspyxiation and I dont see any side effects. It's also legal...
substand
Dec 20th, 2004, 5:58 PM
Since there is no profit potential in a LEGAL, easily growable substance
Most people don't grow their own tobacco, lettuce, tomatoes, and various other easily growable legal substances, and companies make a killing off them.
Most people don't grow their own tobacco, lettuce, tomatoes, and various other easily growable legal substances, and companies make a killing off them.
Blackhawk
Dec 20th, 2004, 6:44 PM
Most people don't grow their own tobacco, lettuce, tomatoes, and various other easily growable legal substances, and companies make a killing off them.
You make a good and valid point.
The companies in question, though, are making a profit selling convenience. Most people don't grow their own tobacco, lettuce, and tomatoes but they can if they choose to. I do roll my own cigarettes, grow my own tomatoes, raise my own beef, etc. I have forgone the convenience of having someone do it for me. These companies make a profit off of being convenient at a lower cost than the competition. Also, I would hardly call it a "killing". High profits are made utilizing economies of scale.
Your previously described business venture is going to show drastically lower profits in the event of legalization because anyone can then go into business against your suppliers and persons such as myself, if I smoked the stuff anymore, would grow our own.
You make a good and valid point.
The companies in question, though, are making a profit selling convenience. Most people don't grow their own tobacco, lettuce, and tomatoes but they can if they choose to. I do roll my own cigarettes, grow my own tomatoes, raise my own beef, etc. I have forgone the convenience of having someone do it for me. These companies make a profit off of being convenient at a lower cost than the competition. Also, I would hardly call it a "killing". High profits are made utilizing economies of scale.
Your previously described business venture is going to show drastically lower profits in the event of legalization because anyone can then go into business against your suppliers and persons such as myself, if I smoked the stuff anymore, would grow our own.
substand
Dec 21st, 2004, 11:56 AM
Your previously described business venture is going to show drastically lower profits in the event of legalization because anyone can then go into business against your suppliers and persons such as myself, if I smoked the stuff anymore, would grow our own.
That is very true, but economies of scale come in when its legalized. therefore, profits. I know plenty of people would grow their own, but I'd rather go to the store and buy a joint, cuz I'm lazy. But someone who takes the time to grow and brew their own beer would probably take the time to grow their own weed.
I just think that companies would still be able to make a nice fat profit from selling nice fat joints if it were legalized, thats all.
That is very true, but economies of scale come in when its legalized. therefore, profits. I know plenty of people would grow their own, but I'd rather go to the store and buy a joint, cuz I'm lazy. But someone who takes the time to grow and brew their own beer would probably take the time to grow their own weed.
I just think that companies would still be able to make a nice fat profit from selling nice fat joints if it were legalized, thats all.
Blackhawk
Dec 21st, 2004, 3:28 PM
That is very true, but economies of scale come in when its legalized. therefore, profits. I know plenty of people would grow their own, but I'd rather go to the store and buy a joint, cuz I'm lazy. But someone who takes the time to grow and brew their own beer would probably take the time to grow their own weed.
I just think that companies would still be able to make a nice fat profit from selling nice fat joints if it were legalized, thats all.
You're right. I guess I should have said "less" profit potential from legalized pot instead of no profit potential. With it illegal, individuals can make an enormous profit whereas if it were to be legalized I think it would fall to larger corporations.
I misspoke, my bad.
I just think that companies would still be able to make a nice fat profit from selling nice fat joints if it were legalized, thats all.
You're right. I guess I should have said "less" profit potential from legalized pot instead of no profit potential. With it illegal, individuals can make an enormous profit whereas if it were to be legalized I think it would fall to larger corporations.
I misspoke, my bad.
Blackhawk
Dec 21st, 2004, 3:43 PM
All that being said. I say legalize it because we are supposed to live in a free country. If it is going to be regulated, then I say 18+. If you're old enough to get shot at in foreign lands you're old enough to toke.
Don't care for the stuff anymore, myself but you might as well be able to go to the store and buy that fat one without worrying about the cops busting down your door.
Don't care for the stuff anymore, myself but you might as well be able to go to the store and buy that fat one without worrying about the cops busting down your door.
substand
Dec 21st, 2004, 4:45 PM
All that being said. I say legalize it because we are supposed to live in a free country. If it is going to be regulated, then I say 18+. If you're old enough to get shot at in foreign lands you're old enough to toke.
Don't care for the stuff anymore, myself but you might as well be able to go to the store and buy that fat one without worrying about the cops busting down your door.
Amen. I only smoked the stuff a couple of times (I NEVER inhaled :liar:) ... but I'm still a big advocate for its legalization, and not just for medicinal purposes.
[edit: I think this is the official first time i've ever used an actual graphical smiley, rather than my customary "=)" of course it was the liar smiley, but a smiley none the less.]
Don't care for the stuff anymore, myself but you might as well be able to go to the store and buy that fat one without worrying about the cops busting down your door.
Amen. I only smoked the stuff a couple of times (I NEVER inhaled :liar:) ... but I'm still a big advocate for its legalization, and not just for medicinal purposes.
[edit: I think this is the official first time i've ever used an actual graphical smiley, rather than my customary "=)" of course it was the liar smiley, but a smiley none the less.]
Blackhawk
Dec 21st, 2004, 5:00 PM
... but I'm still a big advocate for its legalization, and not just for medicinal purposes.
:2thumbs:
All the way.
:2thumbs:
All the way.
Blackhawk
Dec 21st, 2004, 7:38 PM
The cops aren't concerned with a joint....it's the ppl who are growing 10+ plants and then selling it or distributing it that get their door busted down. I guarantee that if you get caught smoking a j in 45 out of 50 states, the cop will confiscate your j and let you go. If you're a dick--the cop will probably issue a citation for your dickery.
Whatever you say (http://www.briancbennett.com/charts/fed-data/arrests.htm)
Whatever you say (http://www.briancbennett.com/charts/fed-data/arrests.htm)
dutchie
Dec 22nd, 2004, 1:15 AM
Nice stats, Blackhawk. But it doesn't say if it's hard dope, or mj, or both..
And yes, what are you trying to say here?
And yes, what are you trying to say here?
substand
Dec 22nd, 2004, 4:13 AM
I think he was saying that the statistics show that 80% (or so) of drug arrests are for simple possession, in contrast to "The cops aren't concerned with a joint....it's the ppl who are growing 10+ plants and then selling it or distributing it that get their door busted down"...
i read it a few hours ago, and if I remember, I had to click around to find some of the more interesting stuff.
i read it a few hours ago, and if I remember, I had to click around to find some of the more interesting stuff.
substand
Dec 22nd, 2004, 11:13 AM
If you're a dick--the cop will probably issue a citation for your dickery. It's the other fools that make it harder on the rest of us by forcing the cops to take a zero tolerance attitude towards marijuana.
I'm not arguing with that, it sounds about right to me. I was just putting my thoughts in as to what the "whatever you say" link was in reference to.
I'm not arguing with that, it sounds about right to me. I was just putting my thoughts in as to what the "whatever you say" link was in reference to.
Blackhawk
Dec 22nd, 2004, 2:11 PM
While the statistics are not clear because all of the data is not collected it appears there are currently around 755,000 drug arrests per year in this country. 45% of those would be for pot. 80% of drug arrests are for simple possesion. It would stand to reason that this is not evenly distributed amongst the different drugs but if even 50% of the pot arrests are for possesion we are talking close to 170,000 arrests for possesion of pot alone. That's 3775 per year in each of the 45 states you cite which comes out to around 10 per day.
I'm sure a past friend of mine would have rather lived in one of the other five states. I bailed him out after his second offense pot possesion.
In other words, I think you're wrong.
I'm sure a past friend of mine would have rather lived in one of the other five states. I bailed him out after his second offense pot possesion.
In other words, I think you're wrong.
Blackhawk
Dec 22nd, 2004, 4:32 PM
click the link damnit (http://www.changetheclimate.or
g/news/arrest_report.php)!
"If one wanted to take all currently incarcerated felony marijuana offenders to a ball game they could fill two large sports stadiums. To treat just the prisoners currently behind bars for felony possession only to a ball game you could fill all 50,000 seats at Trice Field, home of the Iowa State Cyclones."
Your link is broken.
But, assuming your quote is correct. Those 50,000 would represent the number of felony convictions. Let's now include all the misdemeanor convictions. This wouldn't begin to speak to the number of those arrested and charged but not convicted.
Not even a good attempt.
That's what you get for thinking.
You're an insulting little expletive deleted. That's why I spend so little time on your attempts at discussion.
And your friend should have learned his lesson the first time...why enable his illegal behavior? :ohmy:
Because I believe in morality above legality.
g/news/arrest_report.php)!
"If one wanted to take all currently incarcerated felony marijuana offenders to a ball game they could fill two large sports stadiums. To treat just the prisoners currently behind bars for felony possession only to a ball game you could fill all 50,000 seats at Trice Field, home of the Iowa State Cyclones."
Your link is broken.
But, assuming your quote is correct. Those 50,000 would represent the number of felony convictions. Let's now include all the misdemeanor convictions. This wouldn't begin to speak to the number of those arrested and charged but not convicted.
Not even a good attempt.
That's what you get for thinking.
You're an insulting little expletive deleted. That's why I spend so little time on your attempts at discussion.
And your friend should have learned his lesson the first time...why enable his illegal behavior? :ohmy:
Because I believe in morality above legality.
Blackhawk
Dec 22nd, 2004, 7:09 PM
It still doesn't explain nor excuse your admission of enabling a human's apparent personal addiction.
I enabled a friend to go to work the next day so that he might pay fines imposed by an unjust legal system.
Furthermore, would you not agree that a moral person would not intentionally break the law in the first place let alone the same law twice? Perhaps jail would have better served that friend so as to impart some lesson or another...but most potheads just wouldn't get it. No offense MM
:indec: <---- "insulting little expletive deleted"
I do not confuse morality with legality, either.
Slavery used to be legal. Now it is not. Does that mean that it was and is now not moral?
Alcohol was prohibited. Now it is not. Does that mean that it was and is now not moral?
The war on drugs is an immoral and unconstitutional attack on the rights of all Americans.
It is also a feeble failure at its stated purpose.
I enabled a friend to go to work the next day so that he might pay fines imposed by an unjust legal system.
Furthermore, would you not agree that a moral person would not intentionally break the law in the first place let alone the same law twice? Perhaps jail would have better served that friend so as to impart some lesson or another...but most potheads just wouldn't get it. No offense MM
:indec: <---- "insulting little expletive deleted"
I do not confuse morality with legality, either.
Slavery used to be legal. Now it is not. Does that mean that it was and is now not moral?
Alcohol was prohibited. Now it is not. Does that mean that it was and is now not moral?
The war on drugs is an immoral and unconstitutional attack on the rights of all Americans.
It is also a feeble failure at its stated purpose.
Bigsky770
Dec 22nd, 2004, 7:33 PM
. . .There's no reason why these topical discussions should degrade to this level with such displays of immaturity as has been the case recently, Administrators and Moderators alike have grown weary with having to deal with posted remarks such as this, and it will not be tolerated further!
Joe (Bigsky770) :po:
Joe (Bigsky770) :po:
Blackhawk
Dec 22nd, 2004, 7:44 PM
. . .There's no reason why these topical discussions should degrade to this level with such displays of immaturity as has been the case recently, Administrators and Moderators alike have grown weary with having to deal with posted remarks such as this, and it will not be tolerated further!
Joe (Bigsky770) :po:
My apologies, Bigsky.
Joe (Bigsky770) :po:
My apologies, Bigsky.
Emerald_Dragon
Dec 24th, 2004, 10:22 AM
Blackhawk, do what i do and put mickeymouse on ignore. he has yet to add to a discussion. unless you consider derailing it to derogatories, constructive.
Blackhawk
Dec 24th, 2004, 2:29 PM
Blackhawk, do what i do and put mickeymouse on ignore. he has yet to add to a discussion. unless you consider derailing it to derogatories, constructive.
No problems, Emerald_Dragon. I have auto-ignore. :o)
No problems, Emerald_Dragon. I have auto-ignore. :o)
Defiant Noquisi
Dec 25th, 2004, 7:03 AM
PS: Greetz to mi ol frends, sorry for being off-line so long, talk to you guys a bit later about that. Glad to be back! :headbang:'Bout damn time InvisibleMac.
Defiant Noquisi
Dec 25th, 2004, 7:12 AM
. . .There's no reason why these topical discussions should degrade to this level with such displays of immaturity as has been the case recently, Administrators and Moderators alike have grown weary with having to deal with posted remarks such as this, and it will not be tolerated further!
Blackhawk, do what i do and put mickeymouse on ignore. he has yet to add to a discussion. unless you consider derailing it to derogatories, constructive.
LOL :dork:
Blackhawk, do what i do and put mickeymouse on ignore. he has yet to add to a discussion. unless you consider derailing it to derogatories, constructive.
LOL :dork:
Raptor Witness
Jul 3rd, 2007, 6:44 PM
I had a dream a couple of nights ago, that I was smoking pot with George W., and two other folks. Out of the four, G.W. appeared to have the strongest sense of reason, which made my dream quite a nightmare.
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Justice
Jul 4th, 2007, 3:28 AM
Half the population is smoking a joint now and then so wake up and smell the grass it's no big deal and not far from where i live it's also legal and i don't see much change when i walk down the streets.
Drinking every day is no good and by the same token smoking pot every day is no good but i know many more heavey drinkers, including myself than i know of pot heads.
RW what you had is something i think they call a bad trip and if i too was to be dreaming about GW-Bush then i think i would leave the dope alone. :)
Drinking every day is no good and by the same token smoking pot every day is no good but i know many more heavey drinkers, including myself than i know of pot heads.
RW what you had is something i think they call a bad trip and if i too was to be dreaming about GW-Bush then i think i would leave the dope alone. :)
Mezurashi
Jul 4th, 2007, 9:14 AM
the pro-pot anti-pot stuff I've encountered reminds me of the pro-Apple anti-Apple computer divisions amongst people I know.
in the end, it just Doesn't matter - but the erosion of personal choice does. marijuana is illegal, booze isn't - if we can change the status of marijuana then I'm all for it, but how many people who are anti-marijuana (and cite all sorts of mental, physical and spiritual health problems as a justification for the status) would also support the Re-Criminalization of alcohol?
it's often the case that the most vehement detractors of marijuana happen to be drunk pretty much 24/7 from my perspective - at least they Act like they're half-cut most of the time. and let's not forget Rush Limburger - He who decries the immorality of drug users despite his own (massively rationalized) dependency on pharmaceutical enhancement.
all in all, I feel humans should be able to toxify themselves as they wish - consider it a Darwinian selection process to weed out the truly dumb and weak from the gene pool. and I just lost someone I know to alcohol poisoning this last week (25 years old, she was too young to die but the perfect age to die stupidly) so my statements are made with the full emotional trauma of such choices.
in the end, we all have to learn to take responsibility for Ourselves before we assume responsibility for Others.
in the end, it just Doesn't matter - but the erosion of personal choice does. marijuana is illegal, booze isn't - if we can change the status of marijuana then I'm all for it, but how many people who are anti-marijuana (and cite all sorts of mental, physical and spiritual health problems as a justification for the status) would also support the Re-Criminalization of alcohol?
it's often the case that the most vehement detractors of marijuana happen to be drunk pretty much 24/7 from my perspective - at least they Act like they're half-cut most of the time. and let's not forget Rush Limburger - He who decries the immorality of drug users despite his own (massively rationalized) dependency on pharmaceutical enhancement.
all in all, I feel humans should be able to toxify themselves as they wish - consider it a Darwinian selection process to weed out the truly dumb and weak from the gene pool. and I just lost someone I know to alcohol poisoning this last week (25 years old, she was too young to die but the perfect age to die stupidly) so my statements are made with the full emotional trauma of such choices.
in the end, we all have to learn to take responsibility for Ourselves before we assume responsibility for Others.
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