Jerry Falwell "guest host" on CNN Crossfire

[MetalMilitia]

Oh great day - John Stewart is totally right about CNN and major news networks, and this is absoloute proof.

To me, Jerry Falwell is as religously and politically extreme as those we fight. Hard to understand?

"I hope I live to see the day, when, as in the early days of our country, we won't have any public schools. The churches will have taken them over again and Christians will be running them. What a happy day that will be!" from American can be saved.

"...You've got to kill the terrorists before the killing stops and I am for the President - chase them all over the world, if it takes ten years, blow them all away in the name of the Lord." CNN Late Edition With Wolf Blitzer, October 24, 2004

"And the fact that [John Kerry] would not support a federal marriage amendment [prohibiting gay marriage], it equates in our minds as someone 150 years ago saying I'm personally opposed to slavery, but if my neighbor wants to own one or two that's OK. We don't buy that." Anderson Cooper 360, November 3, 2004

"Well, the fact that he's a gay Republican means he should join the Democratic Party." "Meet The Press", November 28, 2004

Are you kidding me? He was REPRESENTING The republican side of arguments on NATIONAL TV. Maybe there is the truth about how extreme the political right is.

Now, before anyone grills me, I am an independent. I didnt vote Republican, I didnt vote Democrat. This is a matter of putting a 'face' on a political party, and this furthers my opinion of HOW extreme the political RIGHT is.

[lotrfan55345]

I'm watching him on "Crossfire" on CNN right now and it's UNBELIEVABLE some of the ideas he is promoting omg... In Europe this would be "Politikal" suicide...

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[MetalMilitia]

Let's reflect for a second - this man also said the following.

After the September 11, 2001 Terrorist Attack, he (along with fellow televangelist Pat Robertson) made comments interpreted as blaming various groups for the attack. The two were widely condemned for having made these comments. Falwell said:

"And, I know that I'll hear from them for this. But, throwing God out successfully with the help of the federal court system, throwing God out of the public square, out of the schools. The abortionists have got to bear some burden for this because God will not be mocked. And when we destroy 40 million little innocent babies, we make God mad. I really believe that the pagans, and the abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People for the American Way - all of them who have tried to secularize America - I point the finger in their face and say "you helped this happen."

also:

In an interview given on September 30, 2002 for the October 6 edition of 60 Minutes, Falwell said: "I think Mohammed was a terrorist. I read enough by both Muslims and non-Muslims, [to decide] that he was a violent man, a man of war." These comments led to rioting particularly in the town of Solapur, India, leaving 8 people dead.

Great figure head in support of Bush. I know The democraps have some strange ones (al sharpton, jesse jackson) but c'mon man - this is outrageous.

[stringybeef]

Wow... Ignorance is such a disease.

[Edit] I just found a link saying Jerry falwell apologizing to the gays, lesbains, and feminists http://archives.cnn.com/2001/US/09/14/Falwell.apology/

I think he got one to many hate mails haha

[MetalMilitia]

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/me ends the needless ploy

;)

[RavenWhitefang]

Didnt get to catch it, as the cable guy was here installing on the tv.... dammit

[substand]

To me, Jerry Falwell is as religously and politically extreme as those we fight. Hard to understand?

He certainly is a very religious man, but any comparison of extremism of his kind with those of Islamist terrorists would have to include terrorists' incitement of violence against innocent civilians.

Simply wanting public schools to be nonexistent (a view I also hold, but for much different reasons), disapproving of gays and "marriage" of them, and wanting to kill terrorists (even "in the name of the Lord") does not equate to telling his Christian followers to fly planes into buildings, strap bombs to their children's chests and blow up supermarkets, or take over churches and schools, killing his own people, to frame infidels.

I haven't seen any such incitement from Jerry Falwell, however I see it quite often from Islamists. And before anyone goes off on me thinking I'm saying all Muslims are evil terrorists, please note the difference between Islamists and general Muslims.

Sure, the goals of Falwell and Islamists are similar, and technically you don't have to beleive in the use of terrorism to be an Islamist (but often do accept terroristic Jihad as a perfectly moral means to an end), but the similar goals separate when you note the methods of acheiving those goals. Falwell tries to persuade using words, Islamist terrorists try to persuade by killing innocents on purpose.

And I would hardly say Falwell was "representing" republicans. He may be a member of the party, but not nearly all republicans think like he does.

[Bigsky770]

. . .But I eagerly await a news re-cap whereas I can enjoy watching the ever-lovin' Fall-Well (badly) put his size 9 in his mouth. Yet again. . .

And so it goes. . .But what else could you expect from a linear-thinking/narrow-minded used-ta was-iz?. . .

Joe (Bigsky770) :vbroll:

[substand]

In an interview given on September 30, 2002 for the October 6 edition of 60 Minutes, Falwell said: "I think Mohammed was a terrorist. I read enough by both Muslims and non-Muslims, [to decide] that he was a violent man, a man of war." These comments led to rioting particularly in the town of Solapur, India, leaving 8 people dead.

I remember that quote, as a matter of fact I wrote this about it at the time:


Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy exposed!
October 14, 2002
In a stunning piece of idiocy today, Reuters reported

"Mr. Falwell, a leading voice for the Christian right in the United States, had angered Muslims with his comments, setting off Hindu-Muslim clashes in India that left at least nine people dead. "
You did read that correctly. In its ignorant claim that Muhammad is a “terrorist", the lone voice of Jerry Fallwell so angered India's Hindu and Muslim populations that they felt the need to kill at least nine of each other. The Christian’s remark caused Muslims to attack Hindus, or Hindus to attack Muslims.

The report is unclear on which side actually hit the other first, so it is currently assumed that Falwell’s remarks are themselves the aggressor, and that these remarks caused a spontaneous outbreak of violence between the Hindu and Muslim factions, in which each side’s response to his remarks was to begin the clash with each other at exactly the same moment in time.

Though the report fails to mention or speculate on why the two sides randomly chose to take on each other rather than a Christian group, it does tie the Christian right-wing conspiracy to Falwell’s comment, angering many right wing Christian conspirists who disagree with it.

The report also indicated that Falwell had apologized for his ignorant remarks. (from http://www.constitutionallychallenged.com/home/slar-101402.cfm)

[lotrfan55345]

claimed the United States had insulted God and lost divine protection.

"The abortionists have got to bear some burden for this because God will not be mocked. And when we destroy 40 million little innocent babies, we make God mad. I really believe that the pagans, and the abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People for the American Way, all of them who have tried to secularize America, I point the finger in their face and say: you helped this happen.

I do not believe the homosexual community deserves minority status. One's misbehavior does not qualify him or her for minority status. Blacks, Hispanics, women, etc. are God-ordained minorities who do indeed deserve minority status." Jerry Falwell, USA Today Chat



August 1980: After Southern Baptist Convention President Bailey Smith tells a Dallas
Religious Right gathering that “God Almighty does not hear the prayer of a Jew,” Falwell gives a similar view. “I do not believe,” he told reporters, “that God answers the prayer of any unredeemed Gentile or Jew.” After a meeting with an American Jewish Committee rabbi, he changed course, telling an interviewer on NBC’s “Meet the Press” that “God hears the
prayers of all persons….God hears everything.”


Telletubies are against god's will:

Pat Robertson II

http://www.rotten.com/library/bio/religion/televangelists/jerry-falwell/falwell_wrinkles.jpg
Now, further evidence that the creators of the series intend for Tinky Winky to be a gay role model have surfaced. He is purple -- the gay-pride color; and his antenna is shaped like a triangle -- the gay-pride symbol.

So... since he is now a representation of the republican party, I guess we are now the "Saudi Arabia" of Chrisitianity?

EDIT: MM made me!

[MetalMilitia]

And I would hardly say Falwell was "representing" republicans. He may be a member of the party, but not nearly all republicans think like he does.
My point was that you have this figurehead in a nearly primetime spot, speaking on behalf of the republican party.... debating for a half hour. LOOK who it is. He's so extreme on the American right side its laughable.

"...You've got to kill the terrorists before the killing stops and I am for the President - chase them all over the world, if it takes ten years, blow them all away in the name of the Lord."

My invisible man is better than your invisible man ( to quote a certain website ;) )

[substand]

My point was that you have this figurehead in a nearly primetime spot, speaking on behalf of the republican party.... debating for a half hour. LOOK who it is. He's so extreme on the American side its laughable.

That's the liberal media's way of scaring people to vote democrat... =)

I didn't say he wasn't nutty. I said he's not as extreme as Islamist terrorists.

I'm extreme on the American side too. I like America and I want us to do well... is that laughable?

[stringybeef]

I'm extreme on the American side too. I like America and I want us to do well... is that laughable?

Well thats understandable since Im guessing you do live in America and you would want our country do to well in the future and now

I wouldnt say hes as extreme as the Islamist Terrorists because I think they use there god as an excuse to harm people who dont believe in there beliefs as Jerry Felwell he'll just talk shit instead of keeping his big mouth shut . But im sure he doesnt believe in harming people if they dont agree on his thoughts and beliefs

[Skippy]

First, I'd like to humbly admit that I am a long time reader of WRH, and that is how I found my way here.

Next, I'd like to state that I have been studying religions for nearly 30 years and I have a pretty good handle on Christianity, and consider myself a devout believer in Christ, and His message.

Let's go back 2000 years and take a quick skim of what Christ came to do. At the time, Judaism had fallen into a system of technicalities and semantics. The Christ message was simplification of all that. He brought us spirit of the Law, rather than letter of the Law. Judaism was also a very hateful religion, and Christ taught peace and love. Christ also showed how everyone could have a direct personal relationship with God theough the Christ message. (this is plent for my post)

Today, the Christian Fundamentalists (fundies) have taken the Christ message and pretty much taken things backwards in time. Where is the love that Christ taught? Where is the spirit of the Law? Instead, we see instense hatred coming from the fundies, be it directed at the gays, abortionists, or the Muslims and Jews. This isn't what Christ taught us.

We also see an adherence to the semantics of the Old Testament, as well as the New Testament. There is picking and choosing and misinterpretation all the time.

Jerry Falwell is the personification of this. He preaches hatred and selectively inteprets the Bible to suit his own needs. He also offers his personal views and opinions as religious doctrine. Personally, I find him amusing.

Something that has never so far been mentioned in any of the media, be it corporate or independent, is that Christianity has absolutely no provision for making war. Anyone who would ever wage war in the name of Christ, be it Falwell, Richard Ceour de Lion, or George Bush is doing it for their own reasons; not God's. It just does not exist in Christian doctrine.

Id's also like to point out that there is a guy in Germany who has been working on translating the early manuscripts of the Koran, and his researches are suggesting that Islam is a bastardization of Christianity, that went a little bit astray in the transaltion from the original to Arabaic. I support this based upon my own interpretations of the Koran.

So, not to bore you people any more than I have to, Falwell is a joke.

PS: wanna have some fun with the folks handing out Bible tracts and proclaiming that unless you accept Jesus into your heart you will suffer in a flaming hell for eternity? Do this....

Ask them if God is all powerful, they will respond yes. Then ask is God all knowing, again they will answer yes. Ask if God is all forgiving, still you will get a yes. Then ask them if God is all forgving then why won't he forgive those who did not accept Jesus. there are many incorrect responses, but the reality, based upon Christ's teaching, is that all will be forgiven whether they accept Christ or not. They cannot handle this and they will become very hostile towards you, so be warned.

[Bigsky770]

. . .I am suitably impressed! Good show! :2thumbs:

Joe (Bigsky770) :vbroll:

[MetalMilitia]

So, not to bore you people any more than I have to, Falwell is a joke.
So what is he doing representing the republican party like that? That was the whole point. If he is a 'joke' - why is he out front for the republican side?

Personally, and I RARELY watch crossfire, I would prefer the little prick with the bow-tie. John Stewart from the daily show (as democratic as he can be) represents views more indiscriminantly that the UTTER opposite of Jerry Falwell.

Jerry Falwell is the personification of this. He preaches hatred and selectively inteprets the Bible to suit his own needs
Gee who else may expoit religion like that?

[Skippy]

So what is he doing representing the republican party like that? That was the whole point. If he is a 'joke' - why is he out front for the republican side?

Quite simply because he can. Even in the time of Christ there were crackpots on every corner spouting out their own version of "THE TRUTH." And everyone of them had followers. Falwell is marketing, pure and simple. The Republicans get him onside and they get his flock with them. Most people will write him off, and not have it affect their political beliefs, but there are many that folow him blindly and do allow him to dictate their political beliefs.




Gee who else may expoit religion like that?

Pretty much every organized religion will do that. None are more different than the other. As I said, the Christ message was a personal God, no need for middlemen...and that lasted all of a few weeks until Paul came on the scene.

(Joe, my first post here, but probably my millionth on a forum, but thanks)

[Skippy]

Thanks for the welcome. Looks like a nice place with many interesting threads.

I will agree about religious people but I do know quite a few who are very intelligent, alas, they tend to keep a low profile. My experience has been that the less a person knows about religion, the more they want to let the world know that fact. :)

I will get around to posting in the intro forum, but suffice to say, I am a Canadian of middle age, and have been intensely interested in catastrophism for about 15 years. I too am an opiniated bastard, so I will have lots to say. :)

Now my bed time approaches and my pillow calls me.

[VegasRonin]

I saw an interview with Jerry Falwell, over a year ago, on FOX. He believes that Armageddon is going to begin on '2007. He wouldn't come right out and phrase it that way but he repeatedly said to keep a watchful eye on '2007. If the Republican party believes (As a party) along these lines, wouldn't that explain much?
"Evangelical Christians in America have thought for centuries that the nation of Israel was especially chosen by God, and the return of the Jews to Palestine and the establishment of the nation of Israel in 1948 is viewed as a significant event," religious broadcaster and former presidential candidate Pat Robertson said. "Perhaps more significant is the Six-Day War, beginning June 5, 1967, which resulted in the Jewish people for the first time in almost 2,500 years having control of Jerusalem."
Robertson says the reclamation of Jerusalem by the Jews signals the culmination of prophecy by Jesus quoted in the Gospel of Luke, which says "Jerusalem will be trampled on by the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled (Luke 21:24, New Revised Standard Version)."
"1967 began what I could call the generation of the end of the Gentiles," Robertson said. "That terminates in 2007. That is an important 40 years in the history of the world as far as I'm concerned."

[RavenWhitefang]

1999 to 2009: Jerry Falwell predicted in 1999-JAN that Jesus could return within ten years. But before that can happen, he said that the Antichrist must appear. Referring to the Antichrist, Falwell said: "Is he alive and here today? Probably. Because when he appears during the Tribulation period he will be a full-grown counterfeit of Christ. Of course he'll be Jewish. Of course he'll pretend to be Christ. And if in fact the Lord is coming soon, and he'll be an adult at the presentation of himself, he must be alive somewhere today." Rabbi James Rudin of the American Jewish Committee suggested that Christians should be careful about making such comments. His said that Falwell's statement "plays into some latent and historical anti-Semitism from the past." 2 Rev. Falwell later apologized for his comment.

that what you are talking about?

[VegasRonin]

that what you are talking about? Not the exact interview but close enough that ya get the jist.

[RavenWhitefang]

Heh, Either way, it looks like this man tends to have foot in mouth disease, all his apologizing and such.

[stringybeef]

This guy really has some balls to say that on national or global T.V. Seriously..