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LC Jeffries
Dec 14th, 2004, 10:31 AM
People are starting to fight back.

Christmas Censors
John Leo (townhall.com/archive) :ban:

The annual assault on Christmas comes in many forms. First,
there is the barrage of litigation by the American Civil
Liberties Union, which is reliably offended by almost any
representation of Christianity in the public square. Small
towns, facing the prospect of expensive litigation over
religious displays on public property, often cave in simply
out of fear. Part of the intimidation is that if the towns
lose, they must pay the legal fees of the ACLU. But now
religious-liberties legal groups provide attorneys to stand
up to the ACLU. The Arizona-based Alliance Defense Fund won
in federal court last month in a suit filed by the ACLU
against the city of Cranston, R.I. Cranston allows religious
and secular displays of all kinds on the front lawn of City
Hall.The ACLU argued that this was a church-state violation,
but U.S. District Judge William Smith ruled that nothing in
the evidence "reveals or even remotely supports an inference
that a religious purpose was behind the creation of the
limited public forum."

Another standard anti-Christmas maneuver is to argue that
all references to Christmas in public schools are suspect,
while references to Hanukkah or Kwanzaa, for whatever
reason, are not. The policy of the 1,200 New York City
public schools is that no purely religious symbols are
allowed, only ones that have a "secular dimension," such
as Christmas trees, menorahs, and the star and crescent. But
the star and crescent is hardly secular. It is the symbol of
Islam. And the menorah, though now losing some of its
religious significance, is the symbol of an intervention by
God to save the Jewish people. The Thomas More Law Center
filed suit on behalf of a Roman Catholic mother of two
public-school students, saying, in effect, that if the
city's public schools are allowing brief and educational
use of religious symbols for Muslims and Jews, then the
Christian crèche should be permitted, too. Last February,
U.S. District Judge Charles Sifton ruled for the school
system. The case is under appeal. The crèche, for now,
remains banned.


Lori :prin:
I just love a good controversial subject. I can't wait for the replies.

DontBeAfraid
Dec 14th, 2004, 4:40 PM
You are right LC, ONLY secular holiday symbols should be allowed..... Maybe you should file a lawsuit.

Defiant Noquisi
Dec 14th, 2004, 10:16 PM
Its about time you posted again Lori.

It was my understanding way back when in the 60's and 70's, that it wasnt so much that they wanted to keep a seperation of church and state as it was to keep other religions out and this was the simplest way to do it. At least that was my understanding from the churches I attended at the time.

LC Jeffries
Dec 15th, 2004, 9:21 PM
Hi Defiant,

I know it's been awhile. I recently changed servers and had problems linking to the site. Then I had my accident just before Thanksgiving and I'm just now in the past week or so been able to post.

It's good to be back again.

Lori

Skippy
Dec 16th, 2004, 4:30 PM
And yet, in places like Jordan, we seem much more tolerance than in the West....
click here for the original article and a photo (http://www.yayacanada.com/samdiary17.html)



December 15, 2004

Amman, Jordan

With Ramadan and Eid behind us, the malls in Amman have taken down their flashing stars, crescent moons and Ramadan lanterns and have replaced them with green and red ribbons, tiny Rudolphs, fat Santas and glittering Christmas trees.

I guess I’m not lucky enough to escape the Christmas jingles after all. The spirit of Christmas has invaded Amman’s cafes, shops, and even offices and schools.

I was invited to one of the many Christmas concerts that are happening around town, and saw Muslim Arab children taking part in singing Christmas carols and being applauded by their hijab wearing mothers.

This wonderful transition from Muslim to Christian holidays says a lot about this city and Arab culture.

Since I’ve arrived here, I’ve seen some of the most wonderful examples of tolerance and co-existence between Muslim and Christian Arabs. Of course I've seen examples of intolerance, but because such examples are way over rated and terribly over exposed in our Western media, I’ve decided not to include them.

The norm here, the overall feeling, is that of familial love between the two communities. One story I’d like to share with you concerns my daughter’s friend Noor.

Noor is a lovely 13 year old who didn’t miss a day of fasting this Ramadan. Her mom made sure every morning to wake her up at 3.30 a.m. before the dawn prayer to eat her Suhoor, and to have a nice meal ready each evening for her daughter to break her fast.

What is a little unusual is that Noor has been raised in a Christian home to a Christian family. Although Noor never knew her Muslim father, her mom goes to great lengths to ensure that she keeps her Islamic faith. The two religions co-exist in Noor’s house in a way that can bring tears to your eyes. It is a home that is full of love, respect and tolerance.

Noor’s Christian family sits around the table in Ramadan to share Iftar with her. Her Muslim friends shop with her for Christmas gifts for her family. Her neighborhood of Muslims and Christians are as intertwined as the blood in Noor’s veins.

I’ve lived away from here for so long that I returned with the notion that tolerance exists only in the West. I was wrong. Tolerance can be found right here in the heart of the Arab world, and especially in Palestinian culture where no lines between Christians and Muslims have ever been drawn. Both communities still live in peaceful harmony joined by their shared culture, language and heritage.

So today, I will bask in the peaceful glory of Arab nationalism. I will take pride in my faith, Islam, and in my homeland, Palestine - a homeland for all religions, not for one above others.

And from here, to all my friends in Canada and around the world, I send my best wishes and my prayers for peace.

Merry Christmas to you all.

Samah Sabawi

Skippy
Dec 17th, 2004, 4:35 PM
And now this....


Dec. 17, 2004. 04:32 PM

CRISTOBAL HERRERA/ASSOCIATED PRESS

Billboard war erupts between Cuba, U.S.
Ambassador's politically tinged Christmas decorations spark conflict

FROM ASSOCIATED PRESS

HAVANA - Cuba retaliated for the U.S. diplomatic mission's Christmas display supporting Cuban dissidents by putting up a billboard today emblazoned with photographs of American soldiers abusing Iraqi prisoners and a huge swastika overlaid with a "Made in the U.S.A" stamp.

read the rast of it here (http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1103283556120&call_pageid=968332188492&col=968793972154&DPL=IvsNDS%2f7ChAX&tacodalogin=yes)

Defiant Noquisi
Dec 17th, 2004, 9:20 PM
Damn! Reads like a rough time but Im glad you are getting better. I never know what to post with stuff like this but I hope the negative stuff is behind you and that you are healing ok. :crtmn:

LC Jeffries
Dec 19th, 2004, 10:29 AM
Thanks DF,

I still have some hard days, but it is getting a littl e bit better each day. :prin: :2thumbs:

Skippy
Dec 23rd, 2004, 6:21 AM
Saw this article....Needled by Christmas trees- Debates, court battles erupting over evergreens. (http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1103757612976&call_pageid=968332188492&col=968793972154)

What I find interesting is this part...."a complaint from atheists." The impression I get from the article is that it isn't other religions that object to Christmas decorations, but those who claim to have no religion at all.

Tolerance seems to be a busy street that never goes two ways.

DontBeAfraid
Dec 23rd, 2004, 4:46 PM
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