Who is Satan?

[rapture]

Satan represents all things contrary to God?
For that is the only way Satan could be a god?
Study the condition of the world and internalize what Satan damned his soul for?
:eek:
Desiring the power of God but denying the holiness?
A finite being that set out to accomplish the impossible?
To start a war he could not possibly win?


Satan rises for the last time( Laodicean-7th church age)

[Godsgifttomankind]

Hello Rapture and very interesting Poll,

I did not vote because I did not find the appropriate answer.

Believing in God, I find various ways to represent SATAN and none of them are equal to that which you have represented.

The first is related to each one of us on a personal level as the degrees of our character, where God is the epitomy of Love and Kindness and Satan being hate and envy. As the example of Peter when Christ tells Satan to get behind him.

The second relates to the body or followers of Moses and Christ's condemnation of them as the synagogue of Satan.

Why were they condemned so and what examples are seen in history?

Has the Body of Christ ever been lowered to such a state?

His Faithful Servant

David.

[emperorx1984]

I always thought of Satan as the ultimate, infinite and eternal evil force that was once the highest, most beautiful angel in heaven but because of envy and pride he waged war along with other rebellious angels to control all creation, but they were cast down. . . .to me, today, I think Satan is within all of us, he's a very powerful spirit able to corrupt millions of people at a time, we just have to turn away from him. . . . :crazy:

[Skippy]

Satan per se does not exist. That is a deception. In fact, Satan is the concept of deception. Not unlike the Romans who personified the concept of furtune into a deity, we as a society have personified into a deity the concept of Satan, which is deception.

If you spend a lot of time researching the different interoretations of Satan, they will generally present you with a description that boils down to some form of deceit. You will see subtle seductions, trickerys, smooth talking, false promises, etc. Part of the deception of Satan, because everything about this deity is in fact a deception, is that Satan in fact exists. There is no Satan, however, a deception convinces us there is. We hear definitions that Satan is truly evil, yet evil is a concept that is measured against societal values, and these are not only different regionally, but constantly changing over time. Evil only exists in the context that we give it, therefore evil as a definition of a deity such as Satan, places him into the creation of that society, as opposed to a separate and distinct deity.

God as a concept exists, therefore God exists. Judeo-Christians, and Muslims have personified God into a patriarchal deity. Hindus have personified their deity with their thousands of Gods and Goddesses, however, always underlying that personification is that it is done only to produce an object, or sentient being to allow the individual to form a connection to it. Budhists understand this, and in their quest for Nirvhanna they form a connection to the essence of the godhead that goes much further than traditionally achieved in Judeo- Christian religions, partly because these tend to demand subserviance.

The godhead (God) exists in everything. It cannot be explained. It is the mathematics, physics, geometry and everything else that is, was, or ever will be. It is the reason molecules bind the way they do. It is why people are the way they are, why there are clouds in the sky, and today in particular. It is the Alpha and Omega. God is infinity. God is very impartial, and the favour that is perceived by one religion or another is derived from man and their intepretation of events, omens, and superstitions to create order out of the chaos called life. All cultures have done this and not only is it necessary for the survival of the culture, it cannot be helped by the human individual.

But Satan only exists in our imagination and it is always to humans that we attribute evil, or Satanic characteristics. Satan cannot exist without humans, yet God exists whether humans do or not.

[Wednesday]

i was unable to vote in this poll for lack of an appropriate response

as evidenced by these forums, people make up their beliefs on the fly and any old thing will do most of the time lol

[ALIENTheorist]

hello I can't vote either for the reason that I'm not sure though I had beliefs when I was younger that humans where in a way satan because we did many bad things... but than I realised that we also did good things so it must be something of a higher power. I don't think so but God has to have an oposite so I maybe yes.... I really don't know I need to think about it probably won't find an explenation too soon... o well lol I know that God does exist and that he is there for us.

[prezhorusin04]

Great Post Skippy. I agree with most of what you've posted here..

"God" exists with or without Earthlings, Satan is a misrepresentation of internal human characteristics and concepts of negativity and evil..

i feel that ONE of the main purposes of humanity and Earth life, as well as life from other planes and dimensions, are to allow "God" to better experience self and being.
This includes all spectrum of emotions from love to hate, as well as the outcomes of life and death. All life and experience is of equal value to the true creator..

While there are many horrible things that happen in this world, and many experiences and emotions that we'd wish we didn't have, if we think of the ONLY TRUTH being love and "God", things seem to be alot more perfected then our human consciousness sometimes allows us to understand..

The majority of our human pain comes from pains that we give ourselves and each other. Sometimes we think we desearve pain because of our guilt or self loathing, and this is why evil and manipulative people are allowed to get into power and Rape the world as they see fit..(It doesn't help that the Bible teaches we are born into Sin.) It has nothing really to do with an actual figure and diety of "Lucifer".

Though the Rulers of the World might believe in Lucifer wholly. And even go so far as to believe that this Lucifer is acutally the real Lord of reality..

[Keeblergiant]

Sure you can believe in God but deny the existence of Satan. Alot of religions do.

[EDIT] Just to clarify: I am talking about the physical manifestation of a Satanic-esque being.

[Fromage-san]

I agree Prez, and its a very interesting post we have here.

Seeng as im new here, this may already have been posted or brought to attention, but i believe that Lucifer may be linked to the state of one's mentality, moreso than thier religious decree or morale obligations.
The majority of us here probably have what is considered above average intellect, so the idea of Satan bieng an essence of morality, religous symbology, or implementation of fear, is a more than siutable procession of thoughts, but, and excuse the vain soundings of my next comment, to someone of lesser mental grasp, the only one explanation siutable would be of satan as a true, physical manifestation.
Does this make any sense to you all, or an I a rambling fool?

[Keeblergiant]

Seeng as im new here, this may already have been posted or brought to attention, but i believe that Lucifer may be linked to the state of one's mentality, moreso than thier religious decree or morale obligations.

I agree that it has to do with one's mentality, but while you discuss one's intelligence I feel it is more of an issue of one's state of mind, ie the way people perceive things. Someone could percieve something to be good or bad, just as one could associate it with God or Satan.

[Fromage-san]

That is exactly the point I was attampting to make, though my depravity of sleep seems to have left me somewhat lacking in intelligence myself this morning.
I agree, but only to a degree, but merely through the idea that one's intelligence often-times affects ones current perception.

[Doomer]

i was unable to vote in this poll for lack of an appropriate response

as evidenced by these forums, people make up their beliefs on the fly and any old thing will do most of the time lol
This is true.

God and Satan are both tools used by those who know better to inslave those who don't.

[rapture]

How can one distinguish love without first knowing Evil? Or vice versa? Humans are designed to percieve? And make "choices" of whether to accept good or evil.



Satan went MAD? Over the human design? To the point of his own damnation? With cause? Does Satan dream of devices to devour human spirits? Animals? Nature? Satan accepted destruction? A change in his makeup? A state of destruction, a star( finite) in super nova, and throughout this speedy cosmic flight devouring his own

[Rogue]

Skippy,what about Jesus saying Satan get behind thee?

[terminator420]

well, i dunno.. but i can say that smichelotto thinks he's the antichrist. lmao :crazy:

[Red Shift]

poll doesn't really work for me, i don't believe in either :|

[daevilempire]

i know the answer to this one, i been locked up and i know satan exists, cuz some of the most intelligent ppl in that hell hole were far evil

each person has a path to walk down, i look at it like, god shows you the positive and the uplifting path
the devil shows you the crooked path, murder lies deception

im sorry if this is too dumb for some ppl on here but i believe in no mental diseases or bullshit broken thought process, ive seen psychiatrists tricked by these satan fools mayn, to the point of getting money on there commisary, but anyway if ya dont believe in satan look at richard ramirez, matter of fact go stand in a room with him and tell him satan dont exist lmao bet youll become a believer really quick

[DarkAce]

From what I remember Satan was damned for not wanting to be in servitude to Adam, or humans in general, not for wanting to be God. Hence why, what was it, a third of the angels rebelled. They didn't want to be second best of God's creations. Atleast according to angelic lore.

In fact Satan isn't referenced as an individual at all in the Old testament. The term "ha-satan" is used and it's in reference to an office held by angels. In Hebrew, Satan translates to "advesary". Going further along, Lucifer was erroneously attributed to being Satan by St. Jerome and other Church Fathers, but the angel Sammael is more commonly attributed as "the" Satan.

While Skippy has already laid out the arguement correctly without involving the mythology and has already identified the relativity of the terms "good" and "evil", what makes you believe in the dualism of Satan/God, Good/Evil? If God smites and destroys people, or sends his angels to (all stories from the OT) than is God not capable of 'evil'?

[DontBeAfraid]

Its just a yes or no question..... Could I believe in a god and not a satan? Of course. Why couldnt I?

[Mezurashi]

From what I remember Satan was damned for not wanting to be in servitude to Adam, or humans in general, not for wanting to be God. Hence why, what was it, a third of the angels rebelled. They didn't want to be second best of God's creations. Atleast according to angelic lore.

In fact Satan isn't referenced as an individual at all in the Old testament. The term "ha-satan" is used and it's in reference to an office held by angels. In Hebrew, Satan translates to "advesary". Going further along, Lucifer was erroneously attributed to being Satan by St. Jerome and other Church Fathers, but the angel Sammael is more commonly attributed as "the" Satan.

While Skippy has already laid out the arguement correctly without involving the mythology and has already identified the relativity of the terms "good" and "evil", what makes you believe in the dualism of Satan/God, Good/Evil? If God smites and destroys people, or sends his angels to (all stories from the OT) than is God not capable of 'evil'?

I thought it was Lucifer who was cast out of Heaven by Michael - and I also had thought that Satan was a derivation of Shaitan which is the word for Betrayer in some language (sorry, doing this on the fly with no Googling).

and I have no opinion worthy of mention on this topic, just the above questions of semantics and definitions, sorry again. but I would appreciate clarification on the matter :crazy:

[bbbv3.5]

Satan is beleive it or not doing God a favor. He his tkaing care of all the lsot souls. He is not a demon, he is still an angel. He is probably one of Gods highest angels. Sin is evil. The peron Jesus saw at the desert was the anti christ. That was his form.

[B.NyeTheUruk-Hai]

Why are some of the Christians here denying the existence of Satan? Doesn't the Bible say that he was an angel? Why do you choose to believe in some parts of the Bible and refuse to believe in other parts of it?

[dutchie]

That's right.. This had me puzzled too... To some God is a living entity, while Satan is more of a concept. There is some inconsistency in there..

[SupaTaz]

Satan's greatest trick was fooling Man into believing he didn't exist...
He may not control the events, but he does pluck a string here and there...
His puppets are evident as soon as you watch the news or read the paper...
If you think he's not busy, you're not paying attention...

[Protostar]

well i had to think about this one. Who is Satan? Who is god?
hmmm. In MY OPINION, I say they are not "entities" but a part of us.
I believe that when the Bible was written, there were so many uneducated
people around at the time that to get their point across to their "listeners" they made up stories. Something that they could understand. Take Adam and Eve. That is a story. It is IMPOSSIBLE to clone a human being from a rib! (back then anyway)
heh, so a story was made up. Then it grew to huge proportions when Cain killed Abel, some say Cain had a twin sister Lillith. They are personified as evil. And the "story" goes on and on. But I think really, satan and god is within each of us
with god being the "right" and satan being the "wrong" choices we make.
Its as simple as that in my opinion!

[mysticalzoe]

I did vote and I voted no, because in order to fully believe in God, you have to believe in Satan, not worshuip him but beleive he exists, it's an equal balance basically. Satan represents all the corrupted ways of this life, child abuse, adultry, drugs, alcohol, and basically everything against the bible. God represnts all the good in the world, family, love, peace, and basically being a good samaritan, and so on, and so forth. I do believe there is a satan and a God, I don't think they are myths, to try and control people or whatever, since God and Satan have both been around since way before the world was even formed.

Satan was God's most high angel, and satan was cast out because he wanted to be God, and God said screw you, get out basically, and now satan rules our earth, he is called the Prince of the Air, he's called a snake, because when God cast him out, i believe he did make him into a snake, hince the Garden of Eden incident.

The devil is everywhere because I believe we are living in hell, and it is up to us to either cast him out of lives or invite him in, and be evil! HAHA that's how I look at it, call me crazy, call me an idiot i don't care I've always believed that.

Jessica

[Red Shift]

well heres one for ya, can you believe in satan and deny the exsistance of god? hmmmmmm?

[DarkAce]

Due to a misreading of Isaiah 14:12 "How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning," an apostrophe which applied to Nebuchadnezzar, king of Babylon. Actually Lucifer connotes star, and applies (or originally meant to apply) to the morning or evening star (Venus). A quick google search nets results which can explain it better than I can:

In the King James translation, verse 12 reads:

How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! How art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

Here is where we find the name Lucifer. The term Lucifer comes not from the Hebrew or even from the Greek translation (Septuagint), but from the 4th century AD Latin translation of this verse:

quomodo cecidisti de caelo lucifer qui mane oriebaris corruisti in terram qui vulnerabas gentes.

But this is not quite as obvious as it sounds even in Latin. The term Lucifer in fourth century Latin was a name for Venus, especially as the morning star, derived from a term meaning "bright light," or the verbal form "to shine brightly." The same word is used in other places in the Latin Vulgate to translate Hebrew terms that mean "bright," especially associated with the sky:

To continue reading, click here:http://www.cresourcei.org/lucifer.html

Shaitan if I remember correctly is one of the fallen angels in arabic lore. Shaitan is a cognate term for Iblis/Eblis (the arabic equivalent of Satan).

Actually they didn't exactly "make up" the stories, they're mostly influenced from other cultures and religions. With the hebrews constantly being under rule by some foreign nation they were heavily influenced by their ways, hence why it's understandable that so much of that religion and lore is incorporated into their own religion.

If you're christian(meaning purely that you're a follower of Christ solely, and not some religion that believes in Christ) you don't have to believe in the concept of Satan in order to believe in the concept of God. Because if people did the research, real research, such as the historical and cultural links, as well as interpretation and translation issues, they would develope a much keener understanding of God.

As even evident in this thread, some people throw out such misconceptions and allegations that I'm sure they've never done any proper research on but are only reiterating what they heard from some pastor, magazine, television show, etc. or worst, made it up. By making assumptions not supported by a closer examination of Scripture itself, and by using external theological categories as a lens through which to read Scripture, without clear knowledge of the history behind it, understanding of the culture, and sense of translation errors, as well as a general sense of the human psyche, you will never arrive at any form of truth in regards to religion.

People can believe in whatever they want RedShift, however the construct and concept of Satan and the mythology behind it directly involves God. It would be similar to stating if you believe in one of Zeus' children, but not Zeus himself. It wouldn't make sense.

However in the case of believing in God and not Satan is different, due to what is commonly associated with Satan. The whole he tempts you to do evil or whatever BS is all easily dismissable.

[Defiant Noquisi]

After reading all of this DBA's post was the most logical. I voted yes as well.

[mysticalzoe]

well heres one for ya, can you believe in satan and deny the exsistance of god? hmmmmmm?

Yes, and I believe many, many people do, but here's one for you, many satanists actually believe there is a God, they basically take our bible, and twist it around, hince believing in God, and go against everything God, or his prophets have written. they just don't worship God. It goes both ways your a chrisitian right? So yeah you have to believe that the evil of the world is of satan, plus satan is written in the bible, so obviously he exists. Then you have your devil worshipper, and their satanic bible, and i have read a few passages in the bible as a teenager, and the word God is in that bible as well, so there you have it, you cannot believe in one without believing in the other. It's like saying there is only a heaven but no hell, or there is a hell but no heaven, there has to be an equal. Do you actually believe that Hitler, and all the evil, and I mean really EVIL men or woemn went to heaven? Or that all the good people who actually do right in their lives all go to hell? No you don't, because there has to be a balance, and I am sure the God and the devil know that one.

For the people ho don't even believe in a God or a devil I don't know, your completely lost. that's what i believe in, in an equal balance, God-devil, devil-god, heaven-hell, hell-heaven.

jessica

[Sammy56]

I voted No because if you believe in God, it seems logical to belive in Satan. I just don't see how there could be one but not the other. Without evil it's hard to define good and vis versa.

[DarkAce]

Why would it be logical to believe in Satan? First off you'd have to be of the christian/islamic religion to first even understand the Satan concept, or do you disregard those 'fake' religions? Odd how judaism doesn't believe in the christian concept of hell nor the christian concept of Satan, considering all the monotheistic are so intertwined with one another.

What you're also proposing (besides the silly notion of if there being no Satan there would be no evil) is a black and white mentality. There is no clear set notion of good and evil and never will be. It's just a whole lot of gray.

[Sammy56]

Sorry DarkAce, I didn't express what I mean't very clearly. If you believe in the Christain God, it would be logical to believe in Satan as well becasue he is mentioned in the Bible's New Testament. This does not make it true, but this is why most Christians belive in the exsistance of Satan. A Christian who says Satan doesn't exsist is ignoring some pretty big parts of scripture which clearly metion Satan, or using the pick and choose method what parts of scripture they want in what they believe. And no, I don't disreguard other religions, I was merely speaking from a Christian viewpoint because it seems to be the relgion most strongly connected with the entity of Satan. I apologize for not making my ideas more clear.

[B.NyeTheUruk-Hai]

If you believe in the Christain God, it would be logical to believe in Satan as well becasue he is mentioned in the Bible's New Testament. This does not make it true, but this is why most Christians belive in the exsistance of Satan.
Are you saying that you don't think that EVERYTHING in the Bible is true? How do you decide which parts are true and which parts are not? I'm STUNNED at this pick-and-choose attitude that some Christians have. If you believe that some parts of the Bible are NOT true, then technically, it's possible that the ENTIRE Bible is not true...

[DarkAce]

Thank you for clearing that up Sammy56. But like I was stating earlier, the name of Satan may be printed in the Bibles we have today, but no where is this pseudo-history nor concept of Satan we have today have any validation by scripture. Most of it has been made up by past church fathers and isn't within context with what is actually said in the bible. Also I had previously stated the prevalent translation errors that have arised. Such as to do with even Satan himself. Read up from my initial post in this thread I believe to read more into it.

While I understand what your getting at B.NyeTheUruk-Hai, not every christian is a fundamentalist. There are those who see the story of Adam and Eve as a metaphor (among many of the other stories) and those who view the same story as absolute truth. It's useless to group everyone as the same. Even in religion the political spectrum exists ranging from the religious liberals who are more open minded all the way to the bigoted religious conservatives.

Picking and choosing can be a both positive and negative thing. Those who pick only the positive things from the bible (love one anthoer, etc.) and leave behind the things that no longer serve purpose in todays society, or would be viewed as unethical, would be a good thing.
Coincidently enough most of the negative that comes out of the bible which is used to validate horrible things is from the Old Testament. If you're a christian, I believe you should only follow the NT. The OT is just there to validate Jesus and give credence to him for those of the christian faith. The Christians have bastardized the OT and the teachings without fully understanding it, like the jews have with their countless discussions and writtings about what they believe the Torah is saying. Unlike that of the christian faith where such discussions aren't encouraged and frowned upon.

[Sammy56]

Are you saying that you don't think that EVERYTHING in the Bible is true?

I think it is, in one way or another (as in it might not all be literal, some might be metaphorical, as DarkAce mentioned above). I'm saying that people who do use the pick and choose method might say God exists and not Satan, which is silly if you follow the writings of the New Testament. I think the pick and choose method is stupid and anyone who uses it needs to reevaluate their beliefs because you have to take the Bible as a whole.

[DmoneyCustoms]

This is my opinion and my opinion only and i hope not to affend anyone,
First off take this for example,
You tell someone 3 words and by the time it got to the 100th person those 3 words would be a sentance..

So what I may be getting at is, the bible their may be parts in it that are true and right on the dot, but other parts are just throwed in their due to the fact that someone might of wanted to add a few words here in there.

Also Here is another point some things in the bible are exadurated and other parts of the bible are not exadurated enuff.

I am a true beleiver in (GOD) and (Lucifer) now I have a really good thing to say and that is.

The Word (GoD) is just a title as also (LucifeR) these are titles that where giving to them. Now think about this a man named Jesus walked the earth back some 2,000 yrs ago but wait here is the good part the letter (J) didn't come out till 400 yrs ago now explain that as I see the name (Jesus) as just a title.

What are their real names? Hmmmmm

With that I would like to see some answers if possible concerning this post.

Dmoney...<<<<Thats my title I better stop cause i can keep going on about this...LOL :pimp:

[B.NyeTheUruk-Hai]

Dmoney...<<<<Thats my title I better stop cause i can keep going on about this...LOL
I'm sorry, but I couldn't help but notice that, if you switch one letter in your name, you then get Demony. Hmmmm...

[DarkAce]

Yeshua was the hebrew name...

[DmoneyCustoms]

I'm sorry, but I couldn't help but notice that, if you switch one letter in your name, you then get Demony. Hmmmm...

LOL thats bad i didnt even notice that in my name LOL thanks for pointing that out B.NyeTheUruk-Hai ::)): :evlol:

[DmoneyCustoms]

Yeshua was the hebrew name...

You are 100% right on that DarkAce

[Sage]

The Messiah warned the woman at the well she did not know WHAT she worshiped. Many go to church every sunday and worship God knows what!
Sad that many call on God and never know who God is.
There are many Gods only one Creator.
The Creator of all things has a Name and He is not listed amoung the Gods.
His Name is Yahweh and was never called by the PAGAN title God.
However Satan has always been know by the title God, even the God of this world.
The little whore houses called churches all belong to God and they worship this God ever Sunday.

Sage

[Protostar]

Sage, don't call them whore houses. That is not it. some people need to go and worship god among other "like minded" people. You can worship your god at home. But truly, the only way to truly worship god, is in your lifestyle.
And how you conduct yourself.

[Defiant Noquisi]

The Creator of all things has a Name and He is not listed amoung the Gods. His Name is Yahweh and was never called by the PAGAN title God.
Sage The Creator has more than "one" name and it isnt just Yahweh.

[Seeker]

Just so we're all on the same page, I propose that the Christian God (if he exists) created Evil. The Christian God is supposed to be omniscient, omnipresent, and omnipotent. If he's all that powerful, why didn't he look into the future and "see" that one of his creations would turn against him and embrace "evil". Isn't it ultimately the Christian God's, in the guise of the all mighty creator of everything, responsibility for Evil in the first place? Just a thought...

Also, the Bible is full of fallacies and contradictions, how can we believe it to be true? After all, it was written by men...

Just an example of the above, Cain was cast out, but went to Nod and got a wife. How, if the Christian God only created Adam & Eve?

Didn't the Christian God also set Adam and Eve up in the Garden? What I mean is that it's human nature to be curious. Reverse Psychology in action. God tells them they can eat everything in the garden except for the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge of good and evil. Did he desire to keep mankind ignorant? Once they did eat, he cast them out so they couldn't eat of the fruit of the Tree of Life and become immortal. If they had done so, they would have become as God Himself, and of course he couldn't have that.

So ultimately, the Christian God is evil. Just a thought...

[Protostar]

well, I was checking out some religous prophecy links and found an interesting story that Cain actually had a twin sister named Lillith. He also married her.
I lost the link. Anyone ever hear this story??

[B.NyeTheUruk-Hai]

well, I was checking out some religous prophecy links and found an interesting story that Cain actually had a twin sister named Lillith. He also married her.
And was Lillith the ONLY person in ALL of Nod? If so, then did she build the entire town by herself? And if not, then WHERE did all the townspeople come from?

[Seeker]

I know a little about the myth of Lillith. She was not Cain's sister. She was Adam's first wife. When he went to consumate their relationship, she refused to submit to a subordinate role. I hope I don't need to be more specific than that. Anyway, since she refused to be inferior to Adam, God cast her out of Eden and created Eve for Adam. Legend has it that Lillith hated God and Adam for this and involved herself with Satan, becoming the source for all "evil" involving women, i.e. the succubus, etc. That's just one of the myths I've read and it's not in the Bible, but rather some of the Jewish mystical texts. Hope my info helps.

[playmaker88]

Satan and God, two sides of the coin, both are within us all and that is why it was so necessary for human beings to create the myths. Personally I prefer the myths offered by Greek and Roman Gods, different Gods for different things, male and female elements to the different traits. People just got to believe what they want. Storytelling is an artform, a way to educate and a way to inspire. If believing that those stories are true helps people get by then good luck to them.

I see no reason why Satan shouldn't exist in these myths with God, why satan shouldn't exist without God or why Satan and God shouldn't be one and the same or God shouldn't exist without the need for a devil. You read the stories, interpret them your own way. To me they are just stories, but that's me and I've been wrong before.

[AcE]

Satan, according to the bible was an Angel who turned bad & became a rebel, so the good angels had a fight with him & he lost & got thrown into hell for eternity.
(Its something like that anyway)

Then now he wants people to worship him because he wants to be as powerful as God & at the end of the world (again according to christian bible) he will 'unleash his armies' & all of heaven & hell will have a war & heaven will win & satan will lose.

And you can believe in God & not Satan, but in the bible, Satan appears & tries to tempt Jesus into making bread & fish out of stones.

[Rasher_hgr]

hey guys, i am here to say this
1) I voted yes
2) you can believe in the existance of satan and not God, althopugh i don't believe in either due to my Atheism, when you die you go to this place where you meet an "Angel" and get sent to hell or heaven correct? thought so it could also make sense to just go from life to hell, or life to heaven...or to be reincarnated...........lol
if you don't understand what i'm saying add my msn and ask me there (i always forget what threads i replied to) steven_boutilier@hotmail.com

[DarkAce]

Satan, according to the bible was an Angel who turned bad & became a rebel, so the good angels had a fight with him & he lost & got thrown into hell for eternity.
(Its something like that anyway)

Then now he wants people to worship him because he wants to be as powerful as God & at the end of the world (again according to christian bible) he will 'unleash his armies' & all of heaven & hell will have a war & heaven will win & satan will lose.


Where actually does it say that in the bible?

(Let's see if you can catch on with where I'm going with this.)

[gracestamper]

even satan and hell is controlled by God so that can't be possible. :2thumbs:

[Sammy56]

even satan and hell is controlled by God so that can't be possible.
Do you have proof of this? Other then the Bible I mean?

[gracestamper]

yes, I do.

[Sammy56]

yes, I do.
And what would that be? Can you give an example or some proof?

[shrike]

The oceans cover most of the world, in the oceans the fish live. The fish do not have a concept of the ocean around them. Its the essence of what they live in. Take away the ocean and the fish die. God is the ocean of the universe the essence that permiates every living thing, take away god and all life in the universe would cease to exist. The essence of god is the feeling we define as love , love is an emotion we know but is hard to define. Love binds the universe together as god is love. Good and evil are concepts of man
the devil and god we envision are just manifistations of these man ideas.

[evilwill]

As far as I'm concerned you can't say that God exists and that Satan doesn't.

If you accept the christian faith, you accept all of it. There is no use simply picking bits of pieces from the bible and believing those. You take the good, the bad and the completely unrealistic.