ESP (extra sensory perception)

[bloop87]

Does anyone really think that ESP is possible? Do you believe anyone has telekinetic powers and can read other people's minds and stuff? Apparently the Soviets tried to hone this ability. Right now, I am kind of a skeptic, however, it would be interesting to have ESP, although at the same time creepy. Anyone have any thoughts on it? Thank you.

http://www.rvscience.com/rvbk/bk2.htm

[Coolio]

It would be cool, you could know if you are liked by people or not.

[Wednesday]

that link seems to be about crystal magic, i do not have interest in magic items

Extra Sensory Perception is just that, using the senses to perceive more than normal

note of interest: my 2 siblings and i were on the same competitive swim team, during a race my sister had some difficulty and started drowning

simultaneously, from opposite sides of the pool, my brother and i hit the water to save her

neither of us saw the race or were especially paying attention to her, but her distress triggered a sub conscious reaction in us both and we responded in an identical manner

my sister said she knew we were coming

interesting

[Coolio]

Also woman intuition, or when a mother feels something bad happend to her son/daughter.

[ALIENTheorist]

ESP in my opinion is possible as I've seen it happen I know some people who somewhat heve these skills

[marglarg]

Extra Sensory Perception is just that, using the senses to perceive more than normal



It is interesting that you define ESP as such ... You may have seen a number of stories regarding the recent tsunami disaster and how the animals located near the sites in question, seemed to have a uncanny sense that something bad was going to happen. I guess animals DO posses some sort of ESP, which begs the question, did we as humans once have it, or maybe we still do but it only surfaces in a select few?

One particular story comes to mind:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0%2C2106%2C3145501a4560%2C00.html

[RavenWhitefang]

As a human animal using so little of our brains now, with so much distraction in our lives, we cannot recieve the signals that we probably once recieved. This likely stems from the types of communication systems and power systems we have put up over the past hundred years or so. Or people just dont care, if its not scientific, it doesnt count. So any latent form of this, doesnt manefest itself in the person because it is not nurtured. We all get these signals, some are more sensitive than others in recieving them.

[ALIENTheorist]

I also find that sometimes there is an evolutionary reason for why some get it. and I am tending to look towards another theory maybe atlantis did exist and the only few survivors went to live in another country and after a while these sensing abilities have gone down. Therefore only people from that nationality have these.

[Keeblergiant]

I also find that sometimes there is an evolutionary reason for why some get it.

And what would this evolutionary reason be? Surely having ESP doesn't increase an organisms fitness that much...and that's assuming that ESP is a genetic trait. Is it genetic? Can you give me the location of the gene, or atleast some rudimentary proof that ESP is, in fact, genetic?

[Bigsky770]

. . .Though there MAY be another explanation I'll check into later, (but I had heard once long-time ago) that an elephants' ability to perceive and communicate 'sound' works at frequencies FAR LOWER than that which we humans use. (I had heard that THIS is the ability that enables an elephant to 'know' of the presence of another elephant as much as 50+ miles AWAY). Correct me if I am wrong, but also possibly? Whales? Was there not a story very recently about whales that were beaching themselves in Australia, which was close to the epicenter of the 'great quake?' We need to study this possible link more closely, methinks. . .

. . .Could it be that these abilities caused them to be able to 'detect' the 'sounds' associated with oncoming major earthquake activity?

Mindboggling, and something that needs further study. . .

Joe (Bigsky770) :yes:

[Dead Man Walking]

The Thread Starter, Bloop87, popped a site up that is akin to ESP but different altogether, "RV" stands for Remote Viewing and is a practiced form of insight. Extra Sensory Perception is a gift we all have in varying degrees. ESP is not necessarily about seeing that which has not ocurred but about the moments just before and during an event horizon. It is a heightened sensual awareness of an event and it may have some foundation in our biological makeup. I say May have, as some minds dispute its existance at all. Most ocurrances involve [in a casual sense] our family members as there is something that we are tuned into with our biological connections. Other forms manifest themselves as an intuition on a much larger scale. ESP is not predicting the future as much as it is about knowing of an event as it is about to happen or as it happens.
It is known that an Elephants feet pick up vibrations from the Earth on a very minute scale, and they could have felt the vibrations of the quake, or they may have felt the wave as it raced across the oceans bottom upon its approach at more than 400mph. Regardless of the reason they became aware, they knew of the impending catastrophie, and raced to their escape. For an animal of such a primal nature, their reaction was purely instinctive.

[ALIENTheorist]

keebler giant I am not a biological engineer I just have that theory since by coincidence all the people which I know that are ALIEN's (just a name read my quote for the definition) these people seem to have antcestors which come from the same country which is france and also the ones which have a stronger ESP have more recent antcestors from this country and the ones with a not as developped ESP have earlier ancestors.
of course I am not saying that it is the only country i just found that bizare that most ALIEN's which I know have ancestors from the same country.
and evolution doesn't mean that they will be stronger but that they might be able to prevent a bad thing from happening to them, those are the powers of an ESP right see what others don't and see the future.

[prezhorusin04]

I think that genetics is only one factor out of many that plays into potential ESP/Mind over Matter..Perhaps "soul frequency", attitude, and overall willpower are other factors among many..?

Inner Harmony? The ability to focus? Even environment could factor in on a persons ability to pick up psychic resonance.

[marglarg]

. . .Though there MAY be another explanation I'll check into later, (but I had heard once long-time ago) that an elephants' ability to perceive and communicate 'sound' works at frequencies FAR LOWER than that which we humans use. (I had heard that THIS is the ability that enables an elephant to 'know' of the presence of another elephant as much as 50+ miles AWAY). Correct me if I am wrong, but also possibly? Whales? Was there not a story very recently about whales that were beaching themselves in Australia, which was close to the epicenter of the 'great quake?' We need to study this possible link more closely, methinks. . .

. . .Could it be that these abilities caused them to be able to 'detect' the 'sounds' associated with oncoming major earthquake activity?

Mindboggling, and something that needs further study. . .

Joe (Bigsky770) :yes:

JoeB

There's probably a quite a few animals that have these types hightened senses(bats and dolphins with sonar ability comes to mind). It was along these lines that I suggested this story, in that Wednesday defined ESP as just a case of :

"Extra Sensory Perception is just that, using the senses to perceive more than normal"

ie. not some hocus pocus type paranormal ability which is what I think most people commonly associate it with.

Re the whales, I do remember that happening recently and they did seem to think it was because of the earthquake activity in the region(very sad that so many died). I often hear how Navy exercises which utilise very low frequencies is thought to effect or even kill whales aswell.

But you are right JoeB, there are probably numerous animals out there with some uncanny abilities. I wonder if there are any sites out there that list these hey ?

It just sux that us mere humans don't have much at all in the way of hightened senses and I wonder if we ever did ... :(

[Hvyarms]

And what would this evolutionary reason be? Surely having ESP doesn't increase an organisms fitness that much...and that's assuming that ESP is a genetic trait. Is it genetic? Can you give me the location of the gene, or atleast some rudimentary proof that ESP is, in fact, genetic?

Evolutionary traits dont have to increase an organism's survival rate. We see that with people who pass on late-term genetic diseases where they already reproduced and passed on their bloodline before they themselves realized they had the disorder.

Saying that, if he knew the location of the gene or had proof it existed, we would have some actual physical PROOF and this thread would not be presented like a question as it has been presented.

It is entirely possible as stated above that lower wavelengths of sound or even ENERGY could be how these signals are sent. Also since our brain interprets electronic impulses, these types of signals could be how other people read them. There are COUNTLESS possibilities about this type of phenominon and unfortunately we don't have a way to figure out how to decode human messages in different wave frequencies(if they exist) yet. We have a LOT to learn about our own brains before we could actually successfully read these things in my opinion.

On that note, with electrical-brain-chips they have already invented and tested in monkeys they have moved arms hundreds of miles away using their mind and "wavelengths" over the internet. It is very possible that tour brains can act as a electronic-modem that manipulates wave space around us and acts as its own wireless "internet" for our own biological energy. The brain could sends out these messages and others brains could interprets them on their own through some level.

In fact, when you think about it this may be why biologically-related people have this phenominon happen to them. They share certain genes so their wavelengths might be similar. Think of it like a walky-talky. Maybe related-people all listen to signals on channel 15, while other people listen to signals on channel 2839283. Rather than 30 or something channels there would be infinate due to slight variations of frequencies. Today's technology with the brain-chips btw would probably allow communication by thought alone if two people both had the brain chips and were using the net, and we were able to know where to insert the signals into their linguistic part of their brain.

If we can re-create the phenominon using technology there is nothing to say that some natural form of energy might not already be doing the same thing in its own separate way.

Is it possible? Yes. Is it probable? Who knows.

[ALIENTheorist]

Hvyarms that's very interesting... I just really don't like the idea of brain chips it just makes it so unatural anyways maybe it is wave type / length... or genetic I which I could have proof that it is genetic but I'm not a scientist... well one that's another thing that I'll get my group to research on right now we've got like 3 things ahead of us BIG things but it's all coming...

[repentantsinner]

ESP? sure it exists. In the year 2001 somebody latched on to me who was telepathic and could remote view. I dont have to explain those, every body knows what they mean don't they? But you dont REALLY meet someone who can do that. Not really. Strangely enough it was 1 month after i swore alligence to the egyptian goddess Isis. Could she have been an angel?

[MoonlapseV]

there is definitely a possibility of ESP being true. I see no reason for it not be, there are so many compelling cases ive heard in my life. Telekinesis (ability to move objects with mind) on the other hand is something that anybody can do. Its all about focus, willpower, and desire...something like that. Iv'e only been practicing TK for about a month, but because of practice, i can already roll a pencil across a desk using TK. I wish i had a video camera or computer camera thingy because i would love to show you guys, but until i get one i cant. i think i will get one soon though and as soon as i do ill get a video of it.

[Keeblergiant]

these people seem to have antcestors which come from the same country which is france

Which isn't suprising seeing as how you live in Canada. That's like me doing a study and only using black people as my sample, and then concluding that this trait must be genetic because everyone I studied had ancestors in Africa. No shit.



Evolutionary traits dont have to increase an organism's survival rate. We see that with people who pass on late-term genetic diseases where they already reproduced and passed on their bloodline before they themselves realized they had the disorder.

Yes, but with a few rare exceptions (like degenerative diseases, as you've mentioned) natural selection tends to weed out traits that lower an organisms fitness. And besides, what you've said is irrelevant, because there are alot of "cases" (I use that term loosely, because I'm not a big believer in this paranormal crap) in which ESP affects children. Surely if it lowered ones fitness during pre-pubescent stages than it will eventually die out as a trait.


Saying that, if he knew the location of the gene or had proof it existed, we would have some actual physical PROOF and this thread would not be presented like a question as it has been presented.

Yes, but he said he found that there is an evolutionary reason behind ESP. Those words alone imply that he knows this to be true, and proof is a pre-requisite to this kind of knowledge.


It is entirely possible as stated above that lower wavelengths of sound or even ENERGY could be how these signals are sent. Also since our brain interprets electronic impulses, these types of signals could be how other people read them. There are COUNTLESS possibilities about this type of phenominon and unfortunately we don't have a way to figure out how to decode human messages in different wave frequencies(if they exist) yet. We have a LOT to learn about our own brains before we could actually successfully read these things in my opinion.

Utter crap. If this was truly the case than we would have some sort of receptors capable of recieving this information, which isn't the case. Our ears aren't capable of picking up sound frequencies below our absolute threshold (unless you want to disregard known science, which you creationists seem to have a knack for), and the same thing goes for our eyes and EM waves. And until you can point me to this magical receptor which has seemingly evaded science for hundreds of years, you're just tossing our gibberish.


On that note, with electrical-brain-chips they have already invented and tested in monkeys they have moved arms hundreds of miles away using their mind and "wavelengths" over the internet. It is very possible that tour brains can act as a electronic-modem that manipulates wave space around us and acts as its own wireless "internet" for our own biological energy. The brain could sends out these messages and others brains could interprets them on their own through some level.

Yeah, and we've done this with amputees as well...but I don't see your point (oh, and you don't seem to understand what a wavelength is, but I'll let that go). As for the rest of what you've described, that would be a measurable effect (yes, believe it or not we've been able to detect EM fields for a few centuries now), yet we haven't detected anything like you've described. Hhhhmmm, I wonder why? You can't just spout of random crap like that and expect any intelligent person to believe it. I mean, it's even obvious from your explanation that you don't understand how these "electrical-brain-chips" (and they aren't actually "brain-chips", but I'll let that slide as well) work. The detect synaptic firing in the part of your spinal cord that correlates to the body part you are attempting to move, we don't send out "biological energy" (which, I might add, also shows that you don't understand bioenergetics either) that manipulates any "wave space" (what the hell is a wave space? Are you referring to the EM field? This is the type of crap that comes out when you don't know what you're talking about).



In fact, when you think about it this may be why biologically-related people have this phenominon happen to them.

You're completely overlooking the "nurture" aspect of things here.


They share certain genes so their wavelengths might be similar.

HAHAHAHA. No. Shut up.


Think of it like a walky-talky. Maybe related-people all listen to signals on channel 15, while other people listen to signals on channel 2839283.

Walky-talkies require something to send and recieve information...what do you propose sends and receives these ESP signals?


Is it possible? Yes. Is it probable? Who knows.

Is it possible? No. Is it probable? Hell, it's not even possible.


well one that's another thing that I'll get my group to research on right now we've got like 3 things ahead of us BIG things but it's all coming...

Quit talking about your research group. What is it? What are you working on? Is any of it worthwhile? Is any of it science? Come on.


ESP? sure it exists. In the year 2001 somebody latched on to me who was telepathic and could remote view. I dont have to explain those, every body knows what they mean don't they? But you dont REALLY meet someone who can do that. Not really. Strangely enough it was 1 month after i swore alligence to the egyptian goddess Isis. Could she have been an angel?

HAHAHA...yeah, my fairy God mother gave me the power of clairevoyance as well.

[ALIENTheorist]

ouch keeblergiant no offence but this is harsh! if you don't believe it's fine but could you please try to be respective of others I'm sorry I have to be the one telling you this btw really I am.

anyways Canada is one of the most vastly populated countries in the world so that's why I find this information to be relevent. i have done some research and this is based on science nature history and the bible. We do not need to antenaes or somethign of the sort as our brain can already send a type of electrical signal. This though I will not talk about because I am not sure how it works all I know is that unless all the people on these forums which had events occur to them and my friends and I are all insane is that it's possible and it has been preformed before. and ok I'll shut up about my group. and umm yes the natural ways that I've seen it happen is by evolution. of course their might be other reasons why it is happening that is just what I am seeing. My experience and the experiance of my friends is my proof to this.

[Keeblergiant]

ouch keeblergiant no offence but this is harsh! if you don't believe it's fine but could you please try to be respective of others I'm sorry I have to be the one telling you this btw really I am.

Of course it's harsh, that's how it was supposed to be. All of this imaginary fairy tale shit that GGTM is making up really pisses me off. Really, if you're just going to make shit up about "wave spaces" and "electrical-brain-chips" you just shouldn't make a reply at all. If you're going to believe in ESP it's fine, but don't sit around and make up shit to support your opinion. Fallacy just hurts your opinion, it does nothing to help it.


anyways Canada is one of the most vastly populated countries in the world so that's why I find this information to be relevent.

The whole country being diverse doesn't do anything to change the sample space.


i have done some research and this is based on science nature history and the bible.

Then can you give me some information about your research? Have a you written a paper about it? Can I get the abstract, or maybe a thesis or something? What results did you find? Are there any confounding variables? Are your results statistically significant? Did you even bother to check? I don't think you understand what you're talking about. And besides, why are you using the bible? How has the bible helped you in your "research" on the heredity of ESP?


We do not need to antenaes or somethign of the sort as our brain can already send a type of electrical signal.

I didn't say anything about "antenaes," I mentioned receptors. Big difference. And besides, how does your brain send these electrical signals? How does it receive them? How come we can't detect these EM fields that our brain uses to transmit ESP signals? Is it magic?


This though I will not talk about because I am not sure how it works all I know is that unless all the people on these forums which had events occur to them and my friends and I are all insane is that it's possible and it has been preformed before.

It's not insanity, it's interpretation.


and ok I'll shut up about my group.

Eh, I didn't mean it like that. I got carried away...you can talk about your group all that you want. Sorry.


and umm yes the natural ways that I've seen it happen is by evolution.

Wow! You've witnessed this evolution? Damn, you have to be atleast a few hundred, if not thousand, years old. It takes a while for a gene to propogate throughout a population, especially a population with such large time gaps inbetween generations like ours. Anyways, I'd like more information on how you know that this is evolution.


My experience and the experiance of my friends is my proof to this.

No, it's not. Please, tell me about your psychic powers.

[Havoc Angel]

Well, let's see. The human body does radiate a electromagnetic field. Sharks can detect that (and we look like injured fish when we swim *yummy*) and i use it every day when i light the neon lamp in my bathroom as the ignition is old and failing and i need to touch it to induce enough current to ignite it. So if the electromagnetic field one radiates interferes with the body and nervous system of another person that other person, when sensitive enough, could recognize the interference caused in his own nervous signals and learn to interpret them. With enough exercise that person could learn to be aware of the presence of other people or animals by sensing the disturbances caused by their electromagnetic field without having the sensed with the usually senses beforehand.
That ability would have definitely been a advantage in early times when you are able to detect a predator that other people limited to their 'normal' senses would not detect. This would mean that this ability *could* be somewhere within our genes as the basic genetic prerequisites for this ability were inherited by the offspring of this variety with a greater survivability.
The reason why this ability does no longer develope much could be all those electronic devices around us which generate some kind of electromagnetic white noise, deafening this sense.
So much speculation from my side. enjoy!

[Keeblergiant]

The human body does radiate a electromagnetic field.

No one said it didn't. What it doesn't radiate is an EM field that somehow encodes our thoughts.


With enough exercise that person could learn to be aware of the presence of other people or animals by sensing the disturbances caused by their electromagnetic field without having the sensed with the usually senses beforehand.

Our eyes detect EM waves. You wouldn't be able to sense someone before hand because that would require that they be within our site for our eyes to detect them.


The reason why this ability does no longer develope much could be all those electronic devices around us which generate some kind of electromagnetic white noise, deafening this sense.

No kidding. Everything that emits light emits EM waves. I don't know what you're talking about "white" noise for, as there is no "white" section of the EM spectrum, but pretty much everything emits EM waves.

[Havoc Angel]

Ah, keebler, you apparently missed that i was talking about the electromagnetic field (and accordingly the electromagnetic waves caused by the change of current) generated by the currents flowing through our nervous system and accordingly the electromagnetic waves caused by the change of current. I *do* know that the visible light is also a electromagnetic wave as is the ultraviolet, microwaves, etc. Obviously you are either unable or unwilling to think through my statement and investigate the logical connection in my arguments. Please read through my last post again and then think. Keep in mind that with 'interfering with the magnetic field of another person' i meant the induction of electrical currents into a conductive material such as our nervous system. Thank you very much.

[ALIENTheorist]

just a quick response...
I know people who got an ESP after they had big issues this is a quick evolution and it is one that happens in an individual person. I would give information about my research but it is dangerous to divolge information freely on forums which can be read by anyone. Therefore I have agreed to the non-interfearence law, and by doing this I can't say more than I already have in these forums sorry.

[ALIENTheorist]

The whole country being diverse doesn't do anything to change the sample space.
sure...



Then can you give me some information about your research? Have a you written a paper about it? Can I get the abstract, or maybe a thesis or something? What results did you find? Are there any confounding variables? Are your results statistically significant? Did you even bother to check? I don't think you understand what you're talking about. And besides, why are you using the bible? How has the bible helped you in your "research" on the heredity of ESP?.

I thought I said that I had three different research projects with my group this is one of them. I just listed the info i use




Please, tell me about your psychic powers.

sure why the heck now lemmy tell you a little story.
one day I woke up I just had a dream about my gf's stepfather being pissed at me. than when I called my gf he was seriously pisssed at me.
there i could say more but it's like 1:45 at night so I'll go...

[Keeblergiant]

sure...

Any elementary statistics textbook will tell you I'm right.

[marglarg]

It is interesting that you define ESP as such ... You may have seen a number of stories regarding the recent tsunami disaster and how the animals located near the sites in question, seemed to have a uncanny sense that something bad was going to happen. I guess animals DO posses some sort of ESP, which begs the question, did we as humans once have it, or maybe we still do but it only surfaces in a select few?

One particular story comes to mind:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0%2C2106%2C3145501a4560%2C00.html

Found a bit more video on this story:

"Animal instincts
They say that animals have a 6th sense… but is it true? Elephants around the tsunami areas seemed to somehow ‘know’ that something was not right, and kicked up a fuss. Is that considered a 6th sense? We talk to an expert for more."


http://www.exn.ca/dailyplanet/view.asp?date=1/11/2005

[ALIENTheorist]

it could be considered as a sixth sense as animals are very intuned with nature and their environment. this can be considered as something which we used to have but lost which is nowadays called a sixth sense.

keeblergiant I would love to travel the world and ask people if they are ALIENs (remember all capitals means a different deffinition) but they'll think I'm insane, it takes time. I need to meat and get to know the people before I can asume that they are this way. for some reason I know... but it's much easier to ask the people in a vastly populated country rather than the world. though I will soon prove that the statisctics in here are an average of the world's. just need to go on a statistics site....

[Keeblergiant]

for some reason I know... but it's much easier to ask the people in a vastly populated country rather than the world.

You obviously didn't understand what I was saying. Does your SAMPLE SPACE accurately represent the entire population? If it does, tell me how.


though I will soon prove that the statisctics in here are an average of the world's. just need to go on a statistics site....

Hahaha you have no idea what you're talking about. The statistics in here? That sentence has no meaning. An average of the world's? Ha. Once you start to learn a bit of statistics you'll realize that taking an internet website as your sample space will not lead to accurate results because of volunteer bias and convenience bias.

[ALIENTheorist]

well you sure didn't understand what I said either. but oh well.
btw have you noticed your the only one on this thread which is against any of this?

[Keeblergiant]

well you sure didn't understand what I said either. but oh well.

Then tell me, what did you mean to say?


btw have you noticed your the only one on this thread which is against any of this?

Your point? It's not my fault that you choose to believe in fairy tales.

[ALIENTheorist]

the sample space which I have my hands on represents a vastly populated country I feel that it should be good enough for now.

[Keeblergiant]

the sample space which I have my hands on represents a vastly populated country I feel that it should be good enough for now.

You have the sample space...in your hands? Wow...you must be some sort of giant. Anywhoo, you must not have read what I wrote when I said:


Does your SAMPLE SPACE accurately represent the entire population? If it does, tell me how.

[Zyztem]

I also find that sometimes there is an evolutionary reason for why some get it. and I am tending to look towards another theory maybe atlantis did exist and the only few survivors went to live in another country and after a while these sensing abilities have gone down. Therefore only people from that nationality have these.

...psst...read the site article on the main page, at the bottom!

I'm contemplating conducting a half-assed experiment involving literal human conductivity and it's relation to the potential of "ability." A co-worker of mine mentioned that while on a vacation, his family came across some carnival type game that tested conductivity and rated you on some sort of scale as to how much voltage you could take. (I know, sounds kooky). He mentioned that his mom and sister were off the scale. Coincidentally, he also mentioned that out of his immediate family, they often exhibited paranormal ability while no one else did.

[MacRasta]

well you sure didn't understand what I said either. but oh well.


Oh well, I didn't understand what you where agreeing with all over aswell, but ...

[Zap_98]

Well, in the past i've had some experiences, and even up to today. No one believes me though, and I dont blame them. But i'll share them.

I have telepathic episodes with my mom. Every time it has happened, i'd seem to get "excited" in a manner and then i'd verbalize either her exact thought, or the exact thing she was thinking about. One time when I was about five or six I thought of this..... odd word. "Boyt" to be precise. I told my mom i thought of a new word, and I told her. She stared at me and told me that was what she was thinking......... Now that could be a coincidence, but we had more episodes. One time we were on vacation (I estimate a year later) and my parents saw a sign for the baseball hall of fame wor whatever. I couldnt read at that age and supposedly the sign had no pictures on it. After a while, they couldnt find it but didnt say anything. I became excited and suddenly said "there arent any baseballs around here!!!!". These could all be strange coincidences, true. But during these episodes, I get this "feeling". Very indescribable, i feel it in the middle of my head to the back of my neck. Now i'm 15, and when these episodes occur, i dont hyperventillate. I kinda sit there almost laughing for some reason. Something randomly pops into my head, from nowhere. There are more, but i dont remember them. I only remember the worst examples go figure.

I've also had strange experiences in regards to remote viewing\astral projection. For example, I'm plagued by this feeling at night of rocking back and forth. As i focus on it, it speeds up untill i'm SHAKING FROM SIDE TO SIDE LIKE SOMEONE HAS GRABBED ME AND IS HOLDING ME UP WAVING ME LIKE A BATON! But in reality, I havent moved a nanometer. Those are "vibrations". I wont get into that though. I was reading about the Phenomenon involved and I kept on applying check marks as i went down the list. One night, I tried it and without warning this picture of my bedroom window FLASHED before my eyes. It was vivid, clear, and it left me with the strangest feeling I have ever felt. I also had a blanket covering my eyes. Quite a few times i've seen a day into the future in my dreams. One day, I had this VIVID dream, Very VERY clear and real (clear as in "I am watching television on a high definition plasma television screen"). It took place in my school library and it involved one of the teachers. He was simply walking to the right side of the room. There was a fold in his pants that formed a waterdrop shape as he walked. His pants were gray and he was wearing a white shirt. The wall behind was a beige color. (it wasnt clear in my dream it was the library at my school though.) Later after school I went into the library. After studying I felt compelled to look up. As i did so, my dream repeated itself perfectly. I felt creaped out to the point where i almost got sick and a girl asked me if i was alright. I could have sworn I saw the future in my dreams, but i never felt i could believe it fully. Because of that one, I believe it (although i cant see how it can be possible to see the future). It happened on another occasion during school spirit week. I saw a person shape- Yellow shirt, black "hair" region, a red stripe on the "head" region, and a brown surface underneth his "arms" with a white background to the whole scene. Now let's fast forward to lunch time. The counselor's called us all into group counselling. The subject of my dream walks in but I dont recognize him at first as being the subject. He sits down at the desk directly in front of me. He turns his head and faces me and it hits me. Right on the mark, He had a yellow track jersey, a red swim team headband, the paint on the walls in the classroom were white and the desk was brown. The picture was no different than that of my dream.

No one believes me, and I dont blame them. I had a hard time believing it myself until the school library bit. (not to mention i cant remember well the better exambles of my telepathic link to my mom =( ). I'll post again about other strange experiences. My hands are tired.

[ALIENTheorist]

...psst...read the site article on the main page, at the bottom!

I'm contemplating conducting a half-assed experiment involving literal human conductivity and it's relation to the potential of "ability." A co-worker of mine mentioned that while on a vacation, his family came across some carnival type game that tested conductivity and rated you on some sort of scale as to how much voltage you could take. (I know, sounds kooky). He mentioned that his mom and sister were off the scale. Coincidentally, he also mentioned that out of his immediate family, they often exhibited paranormal ability while no one else did.


psst...thanx lol

[ALIENTheorist]

You have the sample space...in your hands?:
that's an expretion!! and a sample space is a small portion of people which answer a question their answers are than changed into a percent using mathematics.

[repentantsinner]

Does anybody doubt that the human brain is the most complex creation in the universe? We have all heard that most people use only a tenth of their brain power. What would happen if a detemined person set out to make the most of themselves and succeeded? They dont want money, sex, comfort or fame. They want remote viewing. I met somebody like that, you only have my word and she was the only person i ever knew who had that but it happened.

[repentantsinner]

Soething about these "powers of the mind" and iv'e met people who knew others thoughts, there seems to be aspiritual side to it. It's some kind of gift to be used wisely or it goes away. Usually good and evil. The basics, not god or church or organized religion. Poeple who have these talents serve a cause greater than themselves so selflessly that they never flaunt it or use it for personal gain. Ever hear of John edawrds ? IMHO thats crap! Hes using it to make a name for himself. Hes got intuition that he trusts implicantly. Ever see him operate? Hes always asking is that right? Am i on the money? And goes from one revelation to the next.The poeple ive met are never into money.

[Keeblergiant]

that's an expretion!! and a sample space is a small portion of people which answer a question their answers are than changed into a percent using mathematics.

I know what a sample space is, and I know statistics. I asked you to show me proof that it was an accurate representation. Bias free? Prove it. What's the standard deviation of your sample distribution? You seem like you're dodging my questions...

[Keeblergiant]

Does anybody doubt that the human brain is the most complex creation in the universe?

I do.


We have all heard that most people use only a tenth of their brain power.

Yeah, I've heard it...and yes, it's a myth.


What would happen if a detemined person set out to make the most of themselves and succeeded? They dont want money, sex, comfort or fame.

Then they'd be at the top of Maslow's pyramid. What's your point?


I met somebody like that, you only have my word and she was the only person i ever knew who had that but it happened.

Are your sure there's not a different explanation? 'Cause your previous posts seem to show that you're living in Never-never-land.


Ever hear of John edawrds ?

He's a fraud. I've yet to hear of one person with these so-called "powers" that hasn't been proven a fake. Go figure.

[repentantsinner]

Yes he is a fake, maybe you will never believe some of the less concrete visible things on this board untill they happen to you. I prefer a little magic in my life.

[Keeblergiant]

Yes he is a fake, maybe you will never believe some of the less concrete visible things on this board untill they happen to you. I prefer a little magic in my life.

I prefer reality.

[10 uh c]

I've also had some dreams that came true. One where someone knocked on my door. I opened it and it was my wife. She told me that her nephew had been stabbed. That was all of the dream. The next day I told her about the dream. Also I didn't know why she had knocked on her own door. One nite 6 months or so later we came home late. Her mother lived across the street. When we got out of the car someone called out for her to come over. I took all our stuff and went in the house. The lock on the door had to be latched open to stay unlocked after opening it with a key. I didn't set the latch and it locked when I shut it. I had also brought her purse in with her keys inside when I came in. A few minute later came the knock. The only difference in the dream and when it happened was what she said. When I opened the door she said "Well your dream came true Lee was stabbed" I've had at least 3 other dreams that came true. Two that when they really happened I experienced the dejavu felling but the two others I didn't. So now I've come to believe that when someone does experience the dejavu felling their actually living a dream they had and just don't remember it.

[ALIENTheorist]

So now I've come to believe that when someone does experience the dejavu felling their actually living a dream they had and just don't remember it.


yes this is very true, some of us might dream of future event's but don't remember them for the reason that it has no importance in our mind or state of thought or that we should not try to change the future because there is a very good reason for this to happen even if it might not be too apparent.
I'm very sorry though to hear about your nephew.


and keeblergiant if you actually knew this definition than you would not be asking me this question.

[10 uh c]

Hi ALIEN,
He lived, That was almost 20 years ago. Some kid stabbed him 27 times in the back. not much more than 1/4 to 1/2" deep. When I had those dreams I had no way of knowing that they would actually happen. I've only had 4 in my life that I remembered as dreams when they actually did happen. I have had that dejavu feeling several times thur out my life. But never connected it to a dream. until those two times. The two dreams that I felt the dejavu with when they happened were very insignificant. And not more than a few seconds long. I guess what I got out of the experiences was theres more to this life than we know or could understand.
Ken,

[Keeblergiant]

and keeblergiant if you actually knew this definition than you would not be asking me this question.

I didn't ask you what a sample space was, I asked you what your sample space was. Believe me, kid, I know alot more than you do. Oh, but you've still managed to dodge all of the questions I asked in my previous post, once again.

[ALIENTheorist]

keeblergiant,

How is my sample significant and reliable, is that since the great explorers of europe found Canada people have been moving to Canada it is true that many at that time where from england, france and all these other countries which I will not bother to name since as you said "you know more than I do" so I don't need to tell you things you already know. After a few hundred years many people from all over the world have come here. These numbers are pretty close and therefor my sample space is relevent.
If you want to try to prove me wrong you can go on statistics Canada and look at the diversity percentages.
AND YES YOU ARE SOOOOOOOOOO MUCH SMARTER THAN I AM (if you haven't noticed I was being sarcastic!, you shouldn't say this to anyone as you probably wouldn't want it to be said to you!

[Keeblergiant]

If you want to try to prove me wrong you can go on statistics Canada and look at the diversity percentages.

HAHAHA oh man, this is great. YOU STILL DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M SAYING. Is your sample representative of the whole population? Your sample IS NOT Canada...Canada is your parameter, and the cases you've studied are constitutes your sample space. Please don't sit here and argue when you obviously don't even understand basic statistics.


AND YES YOU ARE SOOOOOOOOOO MUCH SMARTER THAN I AM (if you haven't noticed I was being sarcastic!, you shouldn't say this to anyone as you probably wouldn't want it to be said to you!

Doesn't bother me at all, because I know it's not true.

[ALIENTheorist]

wow about sample space your just denying the facts.




Doesn't bother me at all, because I know it's not true.

and maybe it doesn't bother you but it might bother others.

[Keeblergiant]

wow about sample space your just denying the facts.

And how is that? You've yet to show me you know anything about stats, let alone sample spaces. I may not know much, but math is my expertise...I've been reading stat books since I was 11. So, if I'm "denying the facts," then I'm sure you'd love to tell me how.



and maybe it doesn't bother you but it might bother others.

I don't care, the truth is the truth...I'm not going to sugar coat it so it swallows well.

[Kevin]

www.sheldrake.org

He wrote a book, The Sense of Being Stared And Other Aspects of The Extended Mind in which he conducts many compelling and statistically relevant tests on such things as telepathy, clairvoyance, etc.

[palehorset]

I have had quite a few dreams that came true, ever since I was a kid, nothing that was consequential though, just 2-5 second blocks of time where I knew dialogue, or someone's movements before they did them.

As far as the sensory part, I was totally "blind" to it myself, until I started training martial arts. I train a purely physical art, no chi or mysticism involved, but part of the training is awareness, picking out things that aren't right with a scenario, memorizing the layout of a room as you enter it, etc.

About 6 months after I started training I could sense people coming into a room or coming up next to me, even if they were out of my vision. The sensory part is mostly like hearing, except you are feeling the sound instead of listening to it, like the way your ears pop when you are going up or down a mountain in your car - just a whole lot less pronounced.

I am not one for mysticism, so I assume it has something to do with becoming more sensitive either to the air pressure changes someone makes in a room, their EMF, or the slighter sounds they make.

I stopped training martial arts for about 6 months about a year ago and by the end of that time period I had lost the ability to sense people. I guess I wasn't staying sensitive enough or something, but when I started training again I was able to get it back fairly quickly.

[The Sword]

I may have had similar expiriences with the dream thing. But I just don't know where they go and how true they are.
Now de ja vu. I have felt these feelings. But just sum them up as a state of confusion. Probably caused by some polluted signal invading my space. Suggesting this to others gets me nowhere. Usually getting arguements out of people I try to conform.

[Epiphany]

At the risk of sounding like a freak or even being ridiculed, I strongly believe in ESP as I am the 4th generation of first born daughters that have this ability. Granted, It doesn't work for me like it may for some, but I do have many..."gifts". (If you can call them that)
I am a receiver, hearing messages from those passed over, clairaudient, sensitive, or empathic, and my "intuition" grows stronger every year. I firmly believe that we are all capable of honing these attributes as they are our birth rights, most people are just unaware of how to, so then choose not to believe or remain skeptics.

~To have a life with no complications, is to have no real life at all. ~C

:eek:

[Xlost.hopesX]

(This is my first post)After reading the thread, I see that there is a lot of tension between Keebler Giant and ALIENTheorist...P.S. that was the most pointless post ever made. P.P.S. Keebler Giant...don't be to harsh when you read this post.

[ALIENTheorist]

yes emily that was a little pointless, but meh, not as pointless as keebler giants posts, the same thing everytime: is your sample space revelent or you didn't understand my question.... well keebler giant I do understand your question and I have repeatedly told you why my sample space is revelent. Therefore you should stop bugging me about it! I mean your last five posts where about that. Could you also tell me which of your questions I did not answer because I'd love to answer them.
That's all for now...I'll probably be back soon hehehe march break. lol

[Keeblergiant]

(This is my first post)After reading the thread, I see that there is a lot of tension between Keebler Giant and ALIENTheorist...P.S. that was the most pointless post ever made. P.P.S. Keebler Giant...don't be to harsh when you read this post.

No need to be harsh. In fact, I'm rather glad you brought ALIENTheorist back, as he has yet to answer my question.


well keebler giant I do understand your question and I have repeatedly told you why my sample space is revelent.

You have yet to tell me how relevant.


Could you also tell me which of your questions I did not answer because I'd love to answer them.

How do you know it's relevant? How do you know that your sample space is representative of the entire population? What alpha-level did you use for your p-value test? Did you even do a hypothesis test? Describe it. You have yet to show me anything that supports your claims, let alone show me that you understand stats.

[ALIENTheorist]

{SELF QUOTE} How is my sample significant and reliable, is that since the great explorers of europe found Canada people have been moving to Canada it is true that many at that time where from england, france and all these other countries which I will not bother to name since as you said "you know more than I do" so I don't need to tell you things you already know. After a few hundred years many people from all over the world have come here. These numbers are pretty close and therefor my sample space is relevent. {END SELF QUOTE}

Hope me quoting myself helps you to remember my explenation for this.

Sorry but I am not familliar with the terms alpha-level and p-value test.

No I will admit I have not been able to do any further tests to prove my hypothesis.

And you have not yet either proven that my stats are unsupported and incorrect. I do understand stats.

All I did with this research is talk to people which are psychick, and they all have ancesters coming from the same country. I was just stating a coincidence which I found while exploring this subject.

[Keeblergiant]

Hope me quoting myself helps you to remember my explenation for this.

You didn't explain anything, though. Read what you wrote. You didn't say why it was reliable, you didn't say why your results are statistically significant, nor did you didn't say why it was relevant. You just said that they were, but you've yet to show me any proof that they actually are.


And you have not yet either proven that my stats are unsupported and incorrect. I do understand stats.

You don't even know basic stats, and you admitted it when you said that you don't know what p-values and alpha levels are. Psssh.

[ALIENTheorist]

atleast I am mature enough to admit that I do not know a high level of stats, and what does me knowing about a high level of stats have anything to do with you proving me wrong? c'mon face the facts!
And I just explained how it was relevant and now you say I haven't. :gtfo:
What is your point to this thread anyways?

[Keeblergiant]

atleast I am mature enough to admit it

I don't have to admit anything...I know what p-levels and alpha values are...


and what does me knowing about stats have anything to do with you proving me wrong?

You told me your results were statistically significant...if you don't know any stats I doubt you're right.


And I just explained how it was relevant and now you say I haven't.

NO, YOU HAVEN'T. Go ahead, restate it again.


What is your point to this thread anyways?

To prove you're a moron who has no idea what he's talking about. "Me and my research team...," haha. What bullshit. Now, if you answer all of the questions I've previously asked, I'll bown down to you and your almighty research team.

[ALIENTheorist]

I don't have to admit anything...I know what p-levels and alpha values are...

You told me your results were statistically significant...if you don't know any stats I doubt you're right.

I still know basic stats



To prove you're a moron who has no idea what he's talking about. "Me and my research team...," haha. What bullshit. Now, if you answer all of the questions I've previously asked, I'll bown down to you and your almighty research team.

I already did. You do not accept my answer. NOT MY PROBLEM It is yours as I have answered if you are not satisfied than I will not waste my time trying to convince you of this when there is no way in which I can.

[Keeblergiant]

I still know basic stats

Not if you don't know what a P-level is.




I already did. You do not accept my answer. NOT MY PROBLEM It is yours as I have answered if you are not satisfied than I will not waste my time trying to convince you of this when there is no way in which I can.

I've re-read this conversation a few times, and no, you haven't answer my question. If you think you have, then restate it like I asked you to do in my last post.