Tell me (all) your theories as to how the universe was made

[Alan]

Well guys/gals, here is a new thread posted by me, I want to know how you all think we originated on earth, whether by God(s), aliens, just a long time and a lot of luck, anything at all.

Dont post anything like, we came here by the evolution like darwin segested, over millions of years, well I guess you can but I dont just want that, I want personal thoughts, with your own ideas as to how certain species evolved, if we are just variations in almost the same original species, I want personal thoughts, add your own thoughts as to when the continents originated, if we were ever just one hot mass, or just covered in water, how the dinosaurs came extinct and somehow the birds and stuff stayed, anything at all, mix it all in into one giant story/essay/poem, I just want your views, however you can deliver them.

Just go all crazy here, post as much as you want about your theories as to why we are here, what we should do when we are alive, and where we go when we die, write an essay I dont care, Im very interested in everyones views.

Thanks,

Alan

[armageddononline]

OK, good question
The universe was created by God 15 billion years ago. It was created in such a way that the formation of life was inevitable.

The Earth was formed about 5 billion years ago. Random collisions of amino acids created single-celled beings that we call life. By process of natural selection (sorry!) these evolved and eventually gained the impression of consciousness.

The continents were originally one huge landmass called Pangea, which convection currents in the Earth' mantle split up and moved apart, an incredibly slow process taking billions of years.

No idea how the dinosaurs became extinct but many other species didn't.

Anyway, Alan as someone else commented you've been a lot more open-minded and willing to debate your ideas than most other religious-types we've had so thanks :D

[DontBeAfraid]

I agree with everyhting mike said except i dont pretend to know what created the universe. Im inclined to believe it wasnt a god though, any deeper than this and i just start asking why you think it had to be a god.

[xxx]

wow. this is just my personal view OK. ;) i always imagine the world starting from a tiny speck, then expanding into our universe. God created life in the universe, & created Adam & Eve in heaven. then after the forbidden fruit thing, Adam & Eve was thrown down from heaven onto earth, & the mighty force resulted from that causes extinction of the dinosaurs, thus starting the first human life on earth. hahaha.. i know it sounds more like a movie.. but that's how i imagined it.

[armageddononline]

Another theory is that life, the universe and everything is just a way of testing our souls. What matters is how live our lives.

This solves the problem of why God would need to make a universe, where the universe came from etc.

Who knows?

[Alan]

I see, interesting.

[DontBeAfraid]

It doesnt solve the problem if god is omniscient, if it were omniscient it would know how our souls would fair against the test.

[armageddononline]

The theory doesn't even need a God in the traditional sense. If you believe in God you presumably believe in a consciousness that has always existed. Maybe life is just the consciousness finding ways to express itself.

You've got me thinking now Alan :D

[Alan]

No, I dont think we live in the matrix, or are a small microbe on some beings shoulder in some dimension, or are the marbles that the alien is playing with. I think God is a consciousness that has always existed but He created us and when we die if we have faith our souls shall be spared, and we shall forever reign with Him, up there, and when we have a new heaven and a new earth.

Alan

[mickydoolittle]

Anyone?










Anyone at all?

[Dhanishta]

Oh why not. I might as well put my 2 cents worth in.

Wellll, it started billions of years ago with massive explosions and the planets whirling around gathering and coalescing matter together. Collisions occured causing impact craters on many of the planets and moons.

Perhaps a rouge planet carrying an alien life form entered our solar system and seeded our planet. O heck, why dont you just read the Zechariah Sitchen books about our beginnings. Its the best explanation yet!

*The 12th Planet
*The stairway to Heaven
*The wars of gods and men
*The lost realms
*When time began
*The cosmic code
*Genesis revisited
*The lost book of Enki
*Divine Encounters

[Moishe3rd]

When G-d Began to Create, (in the Beginning).....

The Big Bang:
All of the Matter in the Universe was compressed into one Point. When one compresses all Matter into one Point, the Largest Black Hole that ever could be, Is.

And there was Darkness upon the Face of the Void.....

In order to make this "infinite" amount of Matter / Black Hole explode, one needs and "infinite" amount of energy - from outside of this existing universe.

And G-d said: Let there be Light.....

(Incidentally, the quotes are not literally correct. I am too lazy to look them up right now.)

[Rage_Garden]

Im thinking that since theres no physics or anything, which probably means anything is possible, matter could have been brought into reality and just appearing. Kind of like if you were to dream of something enough and focus enough, it would appear in front of you after a while. But when it appears in front of you that does not make it real. It could just be a mirage. Im getting phylosophical but thats my new theory I guess. It can apply to god or anything.

[purveyor]

It is a scientific fact, that Love manipulates Matter, I have posted on the does God exist site an experiment that proves in a lab envirement, and is provable science that Love manipulates matter. Hate manipulates matter by destroying it rather than heal it.
There is a background noise from the Big Bang, that scientists now say was instigated by what apears to be a sound wave, This sound wave is said to have triggered the big bang. God spoke, and there was a big bang. God is Love, Love manipulated matter in a very large way. dust to dust, from the clouds of condensing matter, larger bodies were formed, matter condensed into what it is now, We were created in Love, the whole universe was created in Love, Hate is trying to destroy it. people blame God for the condition of the Human race, We have been given free will, as an act of Love, to become perfected in Love, and For the most part Humans are hell bent, to blame God for the free will they have been given. They strive to destroy each other, and the world, or matter God has created. Hate, and even more than hate, Apithy destroys matter created by Love. To be recreated in Love, a person has to read the book of John, chapter 14, about The Spirit of God possesing a person, about Love making a home in a person.
Now would be a good time to start within ourselves, and learn how to Love, how to manipulate matter with Love in others, and stop blaming God for the free will we have been given. If God took away our free will, then we would be whining, We are slaves, we have no free will! It would then be rational to then blame God for the condition of the enviroment He created us in...The truth of the matter is we are responsible for the creation of the enviroment between our own ears first, we are also responsible for the trashing of the enviroment outside of us, we are our own keepers, we are our brothers keeper, we are the tenders of the earth. We are created in his image, that image is Love. The bible supports the universe was formed in generations, not days read genisis 2, and these are the Generations in the DAY God created the heavens and the earth. I think it is time we humans got a clue, read John 14, especially 14:26... :dummy: :dummy:

[slaminkicks]

Theory…

Reality is a by-product of the never-ending battle between the all-connecting sub-conscious and the individual conscious. We are conditioned to individualize, quantities and label everything.
Modern physics tells us that the universe when looked at, at the smallest scale, is made of small packets of probable information which we call matter (quanta). Our collective sub-conscious belief determines which probable event is most likely to happen and creates this in the conscious realm of reality.

[Renton4055]

I believe god created the universe. Technically no one can explain how it came into being and science has failed in this subject. Before the universe there was absolutly nothing, and then all of a sudden comes billions of galaxies, trillions of stars, planets, etc. First of all, its impossible for something to come into existance from absolutly nothing and there has to be something that preceeds it in order for it to be. And since there was nothing before the universe what came before it then. Every theory and equation can not explain it. Which gives us only one option left; God. The universe is simply to complicated to be anything else but from god. The same way our spirit's are as human beings. Our emotions as humans; love, hate, fear, envy, pity, shame, etc. These feelings are simply impossible to recreate by any scientifical or technological means, a spirit is impossible to create. And there is only one thing that makes the impossible possible.

[daro2096]

I beleive there is a God who created everything. Our Solar System and the Earth I beleive are very rare.

Infact I had this dream the other night where some aliens visited me and I asked them how many Earth like planets are there in the galaxy and he said there were 13 including our planet.

[Cornish Maid]

What I don't understand is the theory that we evolved from apes. If you look around at the different species, although they may change a certain ammount over millions of years, do not actually change into another species thats not of their family. Sharks don't turn into whales, Chickens don't turn into geese,ect. Why should apes have turned into homo sapiens?

[liberdave]

Reality is a by-product of the never-ending battle between the all-connecting sub-conscious and the individual conscious. We are conditioned to individualize, quantities and label everything.
:thumbs: Someone buy this man a drink.


What I don't understand is the theory that we evolved from apes.
Family? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_classification)Are we not of the same family as apes? Can you pick a species that is closer to us? Or are you to proud to think that Us, the greatest thinking thing around, could have evolved from poo-flinging, jerking-off-in-public, apes?

If you look around at the different species, although they may change a certain ammount over millions of years, do not actually change into another species thats not of their family.
Do these (http://www.uwlax.edu/advancement/connectx/03-issues/feb17/jefferson-descendants.html) two ladies look exactly alike?
Well, they both share the same G-G-G-G-Grandfather. Thomas Jefferson.

Sharks don't turn into whales,
Nor do birds turn into airplanes. Sharks are fish while whales are mammals. Apples and oranges.

Chickens don't turn into geese,ect.
And when was the last time you were walking through the woods and watched your Grandmother turn into your Mother? It happens over generations, many, many, many generations. Also, do you look exactly like your father? Genetics change wildly over generations.

Why should apes have turned into homo sapiens? They didn't, here (http://www.bristolzoo.org.uk/resources/images/Gorilla%20medium.jpg) is one that didn't. And you ask "why" like there is supposed to be a purpose. There is no purpose. Deal with it. "Why" does the earth rotate? "Why" do we have eyes? Who the fuck knows! Who the fuck cares? You only want to know "why" something "is" because you will feel that if your life has supernatural purpose, you are important. You are NOT a unique snowflake. Your life has no purpose except the ones you impose on it.

[Cartesiantheater]

If you look around at the different species, although they may change a certain ammount over millions of years, do not actually change into another species thats not of their family. And you know this how? Have you been around long enough to see? The major flaw here is that you are using the tired old argument from personal incredulity. I can say that the world is flat. I can support this by saying something like, "If we're just spinning here at such and such speed, why don't we fall off the Earth? Or why don't people fall off of Australia. Obviously, if the Earth were round, we all would fall off. I mean, just look at it! Obviously, the World is flat!" Remember that sometimes the Universe does things that defy common sense and logic (for example, time dilation-see Relativity). The point I'm making here is... Never confuse a lack of imagination for necessity. My own or your own belief about something has no affect on its truthfulness. If it is true, it is true even if I can not fathom how it possibly could be true. And I suppose the greatest problem with this sort of reasoning is that it has the potential to cut off any further intellectual exploration. If we say, "Shoot, that's impossible!" we may shrug it off before looking for an adequate way to test it. :2thumbs:

[daro2096]

What I don't understand is the theory that we evolved from apes. If you look around at the different species, although they may change a certain ammount over millions of years, do not actually change into another species thats not of their family. Sharks don't turn into whales, Chickens don't turn into geese,ect. Why should apes have turned into homo sapiens?

I don't even think we came from apes. I think we were planted here some 100,000 years ago by an advance race of beings(call them God if you like). I don't think we are even native to this planet.

[Cornish Maid]

I don't even think we came from apes. I think we were planted here some 100,000 years ago by an advance race of beings(call them God if you like). I don't think we are even native to this planet.
The general scientific concensus of opinion is that it was 200,000 years ago

https://www3.nationalgeographic.com/genographic/atlas.html

[Cornish Maid]

This is an interesting article

The emergence of life on Earth is on a short list of the biggest unknowns in science. Did life begin in a small, warm pond at the edge of a primordial sea, as Darwin speculated? Or deep beneath that sea, around one of the burbling hydrothermal vents first seen in the 1970s? And never mind the where: What was it, this initial germ of life? Was it a cell? A replicating molecule?

One of the most intriguing theories says that the answer to the mystery is right inside us. Biologist Harold Morowitz of George Mason University argues that our metabolism- the chemical reactions that allow cells to turn energy and atoms into biologically useful molecules-provides a long fossel record of Earth life. Morowitz and collaborator Eric Smith of the Santa Fe Institute believe that a central set of chemical reactions has been in place since life's earliest moments about 4 billion years ago. These reactions involve just 11 small carbon molecules, such as citric and acetic acids, very ordinary stuff that would have been abundant on the young Earth.

Those 11 molecules could have played a role in other chemical reactions that led to the development of such biomolecules as amino acids, lipids, sugars, and eventually some kind of genetic molecule such as RNA. In other words, metabolism came first-before cells, before replication, before life as we commonly think of it.

This is probably not what opponents of the teaching of evolution want to here, but it seems that a kind of molecular natural selection applies even to the world of geochemistry. Some types of molecular chains outcompeted other molecular chains for the planet's resources, and gradually they led to the kind of molecules that life depends upon-all this before the first living thing oozed forth. Many scientists say life wasn't a freak accident at all, but the likely outcome of the interaction of the molecules and minerals of the Earth. "Life is an elaboration of something very simple", says Smith. "It looks easy and inevitable"

Earth scientist Robert Hazen's new book, Ge*ne*sis, says that many theories about the origon of life involve the principle of "emergence". From simple beginnings, complexity can emerge. A classic example of emergence is in your brain. Individual neurons don't think, but collectively they produce the emergent phenomenon we call consciousness. Says Morowitz, "the unfolding of life involves many emergences".

All of this is sure to be a matter of cotentious debate for a long time. But ours would not be so interesting a world if its ultimate secrets were easily discovered. It took us 4 billion years to evolve to a point where we could even begin the search.
Joel Achenbach

[daro2096]

The general scientific concensus of opinion is that it was 200,000 years ago

https://www3.nationalgeographic.com/genographic/atlas.html

I was just guessing about how long we have been here. Course I think we have existed for at least 2 or 3 million years in one form or another.

[Ragnor]

The Void was empty, Except at some moment a strange perception of a dream was concieved. Like the initial moment of wakening. As the very first "thought" formed. The "I am" was formed. From that moment al creation began to spring forth. All of the massive energy of the void formed into reality in a vast and powerful moment,(the first moment in time). It was an Explosion of unmeasurable power. The creation of reality.
This is the begining. This is also the "Alpha"
This information was given to me by the "truth" in a vision

[fata]

Only God and Jesus and Holly Spirit Know how the Universe was made.

BUT ACCORRDING TO BIBLE AND (KORAN ALSO) THE TRUTH IS LIKE THIS:


Let's study the word meanings found in Genesis I--particularly verses 1, 2, 6-10, 14-18,and 20--which describe the structure of the Universe...and see what they tell us.


1.That The Earth Is Not Moving.
PROOF:
Psalm 93:1 The world also is stablished that it cannot be moved."
Job:26:7: He stretcheth out the north over the empty place, and hangeth the earth upon nothing.

2. And did you knoe That the Bible’s repeated declarations that it is the Sun that moves and not the Earth are absolutely accurate.
PROOF:
Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the HEAVEN and the EARTH.

Genesis I:2 And the EARTH was without form, and void;and darkness was upon the face of the DEEP.And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the WATERS.

Genesis 1:7 And God made the Firmament,
and Divided [separated] the Waters [covering earth] which were UNDER the Firmament from the Waters which were ABOVE the Firmament: and it was so.

Genesis 1:16 And God made two great lights;the greater light to rule the day [the sun], and the lesser light to rule the night [the moon]:He made the STARS also.

Genesis 1:17 And God set them [all three sources of light] IN the Firmament of Heaven to give light upon the Earth.

THE REST YOU CAN READ IT FOR YOURSELF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

FINAL EXPLANATION:

THERE IS WATER IS ALL AROUND AND WE ARE IN SOME KIND OF AIR SPACE BUBBLE AND IN THE MIDDLE IS EARTH (wich is the footstool of GOD and Stars in constelation Orion are crown of GOD) THEN THERE ARE SUN AND MOON GOING AROUND EARTH THEN THERE IS VENUS, MARS JUPITER, AND YES FINALLY STARS WHICH ALL GO AROUND EARTH AND AFTER STARS THERE IS ONLY WATER (AND WHY IS SOO MANY STARS ON THE SKY -> WELL
THOSE ARE REFLECTIONS OF STARS THEMSELFS FROM THE WATER THAT IS BEYOND 3th HEAVEN)

AND THE DISTANCE BETWEEN EARTH AND STARS IS MUCH LESS THEN YOU THINK.


3. That BIG-BANG and Copernican Heliocentricity Model is built solely on contra-scientific assumptions held together by occult mathematics (YES SATAN INVETED mathematics by the way) and fraudulent use of computerized technology.


4. And SATAN with the support of Fallen Angels and wicked men (Scientists, evil merchants) is trying to copy and clone it with nowdays TEHNOLOGY
(which is destroying our and of course GOD Nature by the way, so SATAN's Tehnology
would previle, so he hopes, but in the end he will end up in the lake of fire
with all who makes, uses and supports this nowdays TEHNOLOGY).

Rev 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come,and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

ALOHA

[Vivaldi]

I believe god created the universe. Technically no one can explain how it came into being and science has failed in this subject. Before the universe there was absolutly nothing, and then all of a sudden comes billions of galaxies, trillions of stars, planets, etc. First of all, its impossible for something to come into existance from absolutly nothing and there has to be something that preceeds it in order for it to be. And since there was nothing before the universe what came before it then. Every theory and equation can not explain it. Which gives us only one option left; God. The universe is simply to complicated to be anything else but from god. The same way our spirit's are as human beings. Our emotions as humans; love, hate, fear, envy, pity, shame, etc. These feelings are simply impossible to recreate by any scientifical or technological means, a spirit is impossible to create. And there is only one thing that makes the impossible possible.

If science said that nothing can come into being from nothingness, and if you say that science is wrong, why do you take their argument for granted?
you're contradicting yourself here.

My thoughts about the beginning of life: I call it 'endless'.
I think the human mind is not able to grasp the notion of 'infinite'. I think the universe is infinite in time and space, in that there is no beginning and no end to it, though it does exist. We're here conscious to witness its existence and ours.
I'm not saying i'm right, we might never know the 'truth'. But that was my theory. It may well change.

[daro2096]

THERE IS WATER IS ALL AROUND AND WE ARE IN SOME KIND OF AIR SPACE BUBBLE AND IN THE MIDDLE IS EARTH (wich is the footstool of GOD and Stars in constelation Orion are crown of GOD) THEN THERE ARE SUN AND MOON GOING AROUND EARTH THEN THERE IS VENUS, MARS JUPITER, AND YES FINALLY STARS WHICH ALL GO AROUND EARTH AND AFTER STARS THERE IS ONLY WATER (AND WHY IS SOO MANY STARS ON THE SKY -> WELL
THOSE ARE REFLECTIONS OF STARS THEMSELFS FROM THE WATER THAT IS BEYOND 3th HEAVEN)



No you are wrong there. According to the Bible(I believe this btw) there used to be water under the Earth's surface and a 7th layer of water above the air(this is why people lived to be over 900 years pre-flood, no x-rays and uv to damage us and the air was double the pressure what it is today and double the oxygen level too(I reckon the oxygen content back then was about 32%)). This layer of water above the air collapsed during the flood and the underground water shot up out of the underground caverns and formed all the fault lines you see around the Earth today and the water formed the ocean valleys and the mountains. The Earth is still flooded today it is just that it is all in the oceans. Did you know that if you evened out the whole of the ground the water would entirely cover the Earth 8,000 feet deep?

[fata]

No you are wrong there. According to the Bible(I believe this btw) there used to be water under the Earth's surface and a 7th layer of water above the air(this is why people lived to be over 900 years pre-flood, no x-rays and uv to damage us and the air was double the pressure what it is today and double the oxygen level too(I reckon the oxygen content back then was about 32%)). This layer of water above the air collapsed during the flood and the underground water shot up out of the underground caverns and formed all the fault lines you see around the Earth today and the water formed the ocean valleys and the mountains. The Earth is still flooded today it is just that it is all in the oceans. Did you know that if you evened out the whole of the ground the water would entirely cover the Earth 8,000 feet deep?

I agree with that dear daro2096.

What I was trying to say is that:

That our Infinite God has create a finite universe (in which is earth you and me
and sun and moon and star and all others things that God created) and
on the border of this universe is WATER-"the waters above the FIRMAMENT" (which are like glass from which the stars are reflecting) which stretch TO THE INFINITY AND BEYOND.

Genesis 1:7 And God made the Firmament,and Divided [separated] the Waters [covering earth] which were UNDER the Firmament from the Waters which were
ABOVE the Firmament[3rd heaven ->the 3rd heaven (II Cor. 12-2)]:
and it was so.


The UNIVERSUM is FINITE by nature and that fact is assured in many places in Scripture.
One of the most obvious examples is found in Isaiah 66:22 and 65:17!!!

The old heavens and earth are obviously finite entities that can both be
done away with and replaced so that the New heavens and New earth entities
can assume their eternal role as told in >>>> Rev. 20:11 and 21:1.!

ALOHA

[litewave]

I understand creation in terms of two fundamental ways of perception of reality: analysis and intuition. Analysis is a step-by-step process which is focused on details. Intuition is not a process; it is instantaneous awareness of the whole picture, but without awareness of details. Analysis explores the "trees", intuition grasps the "forest". This idea about two fundamental ways of perception is not ad hoc; it has been found that our brain hemispheres have specialized functions - the left hemisphere focuses on details and step-by-step analysis while the right hemisphere sees a global picture, intuitively (instantaneously). Or so the research suggests.

Now, let's say that God is all that exists. God too perceives reality (= himself) both intuitively and analytically. Intuitively, he grasps the whole reality but he doesn't see the details; he only sees an infinite undifferentiated mass. This is the timeless, "omniscient" perspective of God. And so he sticks analytical "sensors" into this mass and starts differentiating in the step-by-step process of analysis. This is creation: a portion of undifferentiated reality is tapped into (intuition) and differentiated into patterns (analysis). The beginning of creation is the beginning of time; each step in creation is a moment of time. And we too are God's analytical "sensors".

In the beginning we used our free will to switch between the analytical (non-omniscient) and the holistic (intuitively omniscient) perspective, which resulted in harmonious, optimal creation - our analysis was guided by all-encompassing intuition; intuition enabled us to create details in harmony with everything, although we were not aware of all details that existed. But at some point we misused our free will and neglected the intuitive perspective: we were so fascinated by the analytical awareness of our details (overwhelmed by the pleasures derived from them) that we started paying less attention to the intuitive awareness of the Whole; and so we started creating disharmoniously, non-optimally. As we pursued analytical pleasures, our awareness of analytical pleasures grew while our awareness of the larger world faded, which motivated us even more to pursue these pleasures and further limit our awareness. I don't mean to say that these pleasures are wrong (quite the opposite), but it was our preoccupation with these pleasures - that we stopped checking the wider context - that was wrong. We were rushing recklessly down the road of life - and crashed, ending up with addictions and obsessions built in our minds and bodies and severely limited awareness. This was the spiritual fall (http://music.ninemsn.com.au/mediapopup.aspx?MediaID=10556) or the revolt of the angels (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8687227922034118883&q=pink+floyd+high+hopes+video&pl=true).

And we got stuck on this planet.

[fata]

TRUE HEAVEN

Once again I must reminde you of what we find in Job 22 about the shape of God’s present abode in heaven:

Job 22:14 Thick clouds are a covering to him, that he seeth not; and he walketh in the circuit of heaven.

Since God’s temporary dwelling place has been established as being above the stars in the furthermost part of the Third Heaven and since we see here in Job that the shape of that Third Heaven is circular,it follows inexorably that, not only the 2nd heaven below it, and the 1st heaven below the 2nd are circular as well, but also that the "waters above" are on the underside of a circular "overlaying" dome of some sort which encompasses the entire Universe.

ALOHA

[fata]

TRUE UNIVERSE ONCE MORE BY fata

Only God and Jesus and Holly Spirit Know how the Universe was made.

BUT ACCORRDING TO BIBLE AND (KORAN ALSO) THE TRUTH IS LIKE THIS:


Let's study the word meanings found in Genesis I--particularly verses 1, 2, 6-10, 14

-18,and 20--which describe the structure of the Universe...and see what they tell us.


1.That The Earth Is Not Moving.
PROOF:
Psalm 93:1 The world also is stablished that it cannot be moved."
Job:26:7: He stretcheth out the north over the empty place, and hangeth the earth

upon nothing.

2. And did you knoe That the Bible’s repeated declarations that it is the Sun that

moves and not the Earth are absolutely accurate.
PROOF:
Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the HEAVEN and the EARTH.

Genesis I:2 And the EARTH was without form, and void;and darkness was upon the face

of the DEEP.And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the WATERS.

Genesis 1:7 And God made the Firmament,
and Divided [separated] the Waters [covering earth] which were UNDER the Firmament

from the Waters which were ABOVE the Firmament: and it was so.

Genesis 1:16 And God made two great lights;the greater light to rule the day [the

sun], and the lesser light to rule the night [the moon]:He made the STARS also.

Genesis 1:17 And God set them [all three sources of light] IN the Firmament of Heaven

to give light upon the Earth.

THE REST YOU CAN READ IT FOR YOURSELF!!!

2.1. THERE IS WATER ALL AROUND AND WE ARE IN SOME KIND OF AIR SPACE BUBBLE AND IN THE

MIDDLE IS EARTH (wich is the footstool of GOD and Stars in constelation Orion are

crown of GOD) THEN THERE ARE SUN AND MOON GOING AROUND EARTH THEN THERE IS VENUS,

MARS JUPITER, AND YES FINALLY STARS WHICH ALL GO AROUND EARTH AND AFTER STARS THERE

IS ONLY WATER (AND WHY IS SOO MANY STARS ON THE SKY -> WELL
THOSE ARE REFLECTIONS OF STARS THEMSELFS FROM THE WATER THAT IS BEYOND 3th HEAVEN)

AND THE DISTANCE BETWEEN EARTH AND STARS IS MUCH LESS THEN YOU THINK.


3. That BIG-BANG and Copernican Heliocentricity Model is built solely on contra-

scientific assumptions held together by occult mathematics (YES SATAN INVETED

mathematics by the way) and fraudulent use of computerized technology.


4. Our Infinite God has create a finite universe (in which is earth you and me
and sun and moon and star and all others things that God created) and
on the border of this universe is WATER-"the waters above the FIRMAMENT" (which are

like glass from which the stars are reflecting) which stretch TO THE INFINITY AND

BEYOND.

AND THE DISTANCE BETWEEN EARTH AND STARS IS MUCH LESS THEN YOU THINK.

Genesis 1:7 And God made the Firmament,and Divided [separated] the Waters [covering

earth] which were UNDER the Firmament from the Waters which were
ABOVE the Firmament[3rd heaven ->the 3rd heaven (II Cor. 12-2)]:
and it was so.


The UNIVERSUM is FINITE by nature and that fact is assured in many places in

Scripture.
One of the most obvious examples is found in Isaiah 66:22 and 65:17!!!

The old heavens and earth are obviously finite entities that can both be
done away with and replaced so that the New heavens and New earth entities
can assume their eternal role as told in >>>> Rev. 20:11 and 21:1.!


5.TRUE HEAVEN

Once again I must reminde you of what we find in Job 22 about the shape of God’s

present abode in heaven:

Job 22:14 Thick clouds are a covering to him, that he seeth not; and he walketh in

the circuit of heaven.

Since God’s temporary dwelling place has been established as being above the stars in

the furthermost part of the Third Heaven and since we see here in Job that the shape

of that Third Heaven is circular,it follows inexorably that, not only the 2nd heaven

below it, and the 1st heaven below the 2nd are circular as well, but also that the

"waters above" are on the underside of a circular "overlaying" dome of some sort

which encompasses the entire Universe.

ALOHA AND SEE YOU ALL IN THE NEW HEAVEN I HOPE