Media, Murder And American Morality!

[shadow7]

It's not a new query,but suddenly particularly relevant: Why has a society capable of such fantastic technological advances never moved beyond Neanderthal methods of solving problems?

Clubs have been replaced by daisy cutters, for sure... but we have not advanced a centimetr from the primitive belief that "might makes right" After the hubris of Bush's Inaugural Speech, open discussion about the morality of war and its horrific weaponry is really, really vital.

But we're not going to have that dialogue. We no longer even discuss the dubious morality of the invasion of Iraq....seems we're simply looking for the best rationale to justify the whole fiasco. Here's a take on the whole concept, that rings a familiar bell: War is hell, but we've been systematically desensitized to its depravity'

Kind of makes sense in a world where nothing else does....



As a nation, we are the greatest killing machine the world has ever known. Our unsurpassed killing technology has been sold to the American public as a symbol of pride and superiority. Killing an enemy, real or conceived, is sold to Americans as a positive experience. Through the auspices of a media well versed in hype and promotion, a relentless campaign has been waged in this country to make us comfortable with the killing game that is war.

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http://www.tvnewslies.org/html/media__murder___american_moral.html

[substand]

Why has a society capable of such fantastic technological advances never moved beyond Neanderthal methods of solving problems?

Unfortunately, nation states are not Jesus, nor can they afford to try to be if they seek survival. And try as they might, nations that attempt to use Gandhi-like methods of conflict resolution are not always successful. IMO, We have moved beyond "Neanderthal methods" in that we don't typically resort to violent war as a first choice for conflict resolution, nor do we often do it for seemingly no reason whatsoever. I don't know what Neanderthalic people did before they went to war, but the way I read it is that you meant only to highlight that war is savage.

[2cool4stats]

We no longer even discuss the dubious morality of the invasion of Iraq....seems we're simply looking for the best rationale to justify the whole fiasco. Here's a take on the whole concept, that rings a familiar bell: War is hell, but we've been systematically desensitized to its depravity'

http://www.tvnewslies.org/html/media__murder___american_moral.html

If someone is incapable of even seeing the slightest truth in the post above, there's a very high chance that he could be outsmarting himself.

America > false patriots.

False patriots = over defensive.

[Severian]

Being over defensive of other nations is more like it; isolationism is desperately needed if the US means to survive. Especially when we think ourselves the world police, a Wilson doctrine (The president that ended it all).

[daevilempire]

i just think its crazy how the world sees us as ultimate killing machines when there are studies in countries that dont allow handguns, having more murders a year then the usa

[dutchie]

BWAHAHAHAHA!!! Where are those studies?!?

It's nonsense! It's even worse: A country like Canada where (relatively) there are even more guns, there are only a fraction of the # of murders. In European countries, like the Netherlands, Belgium and England, where handguns are banned, the relative # of murders are far lower too.

In other words: it's YOU!! Americans just like to USE those weapons to KILL!

[Bigsky770]

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[daevilempire]

i would expect that type of reply from someone in the european union lmao

[2cool4stats]

i just think its crazy how the world sees us as ultimate killing machines

I can't put myself in that category. I actually think highly of the United States. It is the persistent projecting of its ideal towards other nations that causes long term problems. A lot of that has to do with political propaganda.

See political propaganda is only effective when people accept it. Thing is, the acceptance level of some Americans is abnormally high. Fortunately many Americans exercise their freedom [it is a birthright] by questioning authority. I believe that's what the world respects. The over-defensiveness of some Americans however, are often extensions of political propaganda. Sad thing is, that group can't accept being incorrect. It's called false-patriotism.

[stewey]

BWAHAHAHAHA!!! Where are those studies?!?

It's nonsense! It's even worse: A country like Canada where (relatively) there are even more guns, there are only a fraction of the # of murders. In European countries, like the Netherlands, Belgium and England, where handguns are banned, the relative # of murders are far lower too.

In other words: it's YOU!! Americans just like to USE those weapons to KILL!

Actually, if we are going to turn this into gun control, there are higher ratios of deaths due to guns in places where guns are banned. In cities like Washington DC, Chicago, NYC, there is a higher percentage of guns death despite the fact there are more gun restrictions. England has a higher death ratio to guns than the USA does, as does Australia. The only reason the USA has a higher death total to guns is there is more population.

In Georgia (USA state, not the country) there was a city that had a lot of crime, so a law was passed where each household had to have a gun. Within one year, crime was less than 10% of what it was before the law was passed. Armed citizens = low crimes. Criminals will not listen to gun control laws, it will simply make them buy them on the black market (like people do drugs now).

If you are a criminal, are you more likely to mug a law abiding citizen who may be armed, or who isnt because guns are illegal?

In fact, smoking kills 40 times as many people per year as guns do. Why doesn't smoking get banned?

[repentantsinner]

Back to the Iraq mass murder thread. 100,000 iraqis have died. It does not impact your average american because it's OVER THERE. It's happening to THEM. It can't touch US. The usa has got the american ego thing going so bad were in for a surprise when we are going to hurt and nobody will help us. This empire will not last forever, none of them have and we've abused it.

[stewey]

Back to the Iraq mass murder thread. 100,000 iraqis have died. It does not impact your average american because it's OVER THERE. It's happening to THEM. It can't touch US. The usa has got the american ego thing going so bad were in for a surprise when we are going to hurt and nobody will help us. This empire will not last forever, none of them have and we've abused it.

100,000 figure was very inaccurate. Actual figure is around 25,000. Still a large amount, but 25,000 is a lot less than 100,000. The 100,000 survey was very flawed, yet still gets quoted by the anti-Bush crowd.

[daevilempire]

see i didnt even have to post my findings , other smart intelligent ppl have done it for me, thank yall

i think our trying to put our ideas on other countries is part of a bigger problem, ah , well see if im right if we have broken boarders, truthfully i believe the united states of america is a puppet to the european union