Infinate Repition

[Cpt.Shrap]

I know that Star Trek has already dealt with this issue, but i think it deserves a thread on AO... - Do you think that there is a point in time in wich everything that is reverts back to the way it was? Do you think that we are a part of a vicious time lapse?

[lazserus]

For a long time there was the theory of the big crunch, where the universe's expansion would lose enough momentum that gravity would pull everything back in on itself. However, considering the rate of expansion, that's not likely. The most likely scenario is that the universe's expansion will continue to increase until it reaches a critical velocity of the speed of light, thus the universe will turn into a cold dark place.

[Cpt.Shrap]

You must consider how matter was created from nothing. Everything has a begining right? So that means that somehow someway, matter came from absalute nothing... So mabe the universe will expand, does it mean it will turn into a cold dark place???

[hari_padfoot]

i'm sorry to make a dumb comment, but isn't that kind of a matrix type thing???

[lazserus]

You must consider how matter was created from nothing. Everything has a begining right? So that means that somehow someway, matter came from absalute nothing...
It didn't come from nothing. Matter was created from plasma. Read up on the first law of thermodynamics.

And yes, the universe will become a cold dark place, just as I said.


i'm sorry to make a dumb comment, but isn't that kind of a matrix type thing???
A lot of the Matrix was based on philosophy, not real science.

[Forgotten Rebel]

You must consider how matter was created from nothing. Everything has a begining right? So that means that somehow someway, matter came from absolute nothing... So mabe the universe will expand, does it mean it will turn into a cold dark place???

I know this is not quite on topic but hear me out. With regards to matter coming into being, this is the arguement that many religious folk use to suggest that a God must exist (actually the arguement has more to do with motion then actual matter). There are problems with this matter coming into being, first of as someone later pointed, therodynamics have explained how they originated from plasma, but also, there is a possibility from a philosophical point of view that an infinite universe exists, one that is continually expanding and contracting (no matter if it is due to gravity sucking it back in on itself, or the momentum increasing to the speed of light). This allows for constant, eternal, infinite progress of the universe that does explain how matter came into being (along with all of our laws of science). Once the universe contracts into itself and becomes dead space, nothing really exists. All of our laws that science has came up with will be thrown out the window, and then, one day (a note that time will also not exist in dead space) the universe will begin expansion, and all of our laws will come back into being, essentially, matter does not exist as we know it at the point of dead space, and then comes into being in the form that we are familiar with.

[Forgotten Rebel]

A further note on matter I thought of after making the post above. Matter as we know it is not the only way that matter exists. The existence of neutrino’s which do not carry mass (I understand that scientists have created a mass for it, but I'm not sure if this actualy means anything), no + or - charge, and no magnetic field. They essentially exist in a different state of being then we do (think of Star Trek's obsession with phasing in and out of our reality). They do not follow gravitational laws and can travel faster than the speed of light, causing it to recede in our time scale. They were a hypothetical tool for a long time then were eventually prooved to be true, if two of them collide head-on they stop completely and can be detected. Not really dealing with your original post, but interesting nonetheless.