Pope: Gay marriage "a new ideology of evil"?

[B.NyeTheUruk-Hai]

The Pope recently has spoken out about how he feels that gay marriage is part of "a new idology of evil". I'm interested to hear from Christians if they agree with this. I've got to say, though, that if the Pope is trying to remain popular with the masses, this is an immense leap in the wrong direction. Just because someone is gay certainly does not make them evil. And before someone says it, I myself am heterosexual and married to a wonderful lady, so relax. I've known a few gay people in my life and they are just like you or I, and in some cases even better human beings than a lot of heteros. Why try to fight against something that is firmly entrenched in today's society? After all, gay people have been living together for decades. Getting officially married simply gives them a piece of paper (I know it's more sacred than that, but look at it objectively) that says that they are married. Preventing gay marriage will not make gay people go away. They will continue to exist and live together regardless of what the law says. And when you really take a good look at it, are they really hurting anyone? No. Are they trying to convert heteros into homos? No. Then ask yourself if they are really doing anything wrong. They just want to live their lives in their own way just like we do.

[voxpopulisuxx]

There are two particularly important sets of explicit texts in the Bible that are the Basis of the Popes position. First are the prohibitions in Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13, which declare that for a man to "lie with a male as though lying with a woman" is "an abomination" or "detestable act" -- in Hebrew, "toevah" -- something utterly repugnant to God.
The second set is the Apostle Paul´s mention of same-sex intercourse in Romans 1:24-27, which he treats as "exhibit B" -- with idolatry as "exhibit A" -- proving gross and deliberate human sin on the part of Gentiles against the truth about God accessible in creation or nature.
The text in Romans 1:24-27 is worth quoting at length: "because of the desires of their hearts God gave them over" -- that is, those who chose not to worship God as God -- "to an uncleanness" -- that is, filthy conduct -- "consisting of their bodies being dishonored among themselves. ... God gave them over to dishonorable passions, for even their females exchanged the natural use" -- that is, of the male as regards sexual intercourse -- "for that which is contrary to nature" -- that is, sexual intercourse with other females -- "and likewise also the males, having left behind the natural use of the female, were inflamed with their yearning for one another, males with males committing indecency and in return receiving in themselves the payback which was necessitated by their straying" -- that is, from the truth about God evident in nature.
So the Pope is simply teaching what all orthodox Christianity has always taught... and popularity is never a consideration when defending truth....besides who cares what the pope teaches? I thought Live and let Live is the Golden rule?
ps."Let us be clear that "gay" is a neologism, a euphemism of recent origin, and refers to sodomy or, to be precise, anal sexual intercourse. There is nothing gay about it, in the proper meaning of the word. From ancient—and biblical—times, this practice has been regarded by the greatest legislators and moralists as a vicious sexual perversion. It is condemned equally by the Old and the New Testaments, and by Plato in his Laws. Thomas Jefferson, in a criminal code written during the American Revolution, made it a felony in the same class as rape. In this he only followed the common law." Harry Jaffa PHD

[voxpopulisuxx]

"When I die, let it be for something and not of something"
like AIDS?

[lotrfan55345]

Tsk Tsk Tsk what a major erosion of human rights...

[dutchie]

I know a gay couple. Their love and friendship for each other and people around them is truly heart warming. They are not evil. They do not stay with each other just out of sheer lust. The idea is disgusting. Do heteros stay together just out of lust? It takes a sick mind to think along those paths...

You homophobics are all just filled with so much hatred and fear - it's terrible to see. :52:

[evilwill]

Does anyone have a link to the Pope's statement? I'm doing another assignment, this one ranting about the church. :headbang:

[voxpopulisuxx]

I know a gay couple. Their love and friendship for each other and people around them is truly heart warming. They are not evil. They do not stay with each other just out of sheer lust. The idea is disgusting. Do heteros stay together just out of lust? It takes a sick mind to think along those paths...

You homophobics are all just filled with so much hatred and fear - it's terrible to see. :52:
no fear no hate just disgust about disgusting behaviour.
anal sex is when a man inserts his ....oh wait...there are young people here so I better not discribe what thay do in much detail....Question dutchi...does fecal odor make homosodomites feel romantic?
The only fear that this debate elicits in me is the fear that this behaviour is being FORCED into acceptence by raw political power. That you and others DEMAND that this abnormal behaviour be accepted as normal, a complete deliberate brain screw.
The only thing I hate is people who belive all truth comes from the barrel of a gun(political,governmental power). This will be My last post in this thread...its already become too sick. And if Im Homophobic(what does this shibboleth mean any way? afraid of men?) ...your truthphobic, its a typical Stalinist tactic to question the sanity of truth tellers. You guys all preach tolerence, when in fact you will not tolerate orthodox Christianity upholding the Truths of its faith.

[voxpopulisuxx]

Does anyone have a link to the Pope's statement? I'm doing another assignment, this one ranting about the church. :headbang:
your tolerence is awe inspiring.

[Rynotek]

I personally think that marriage in a religious context is only between a man and a woman. There should be no reason why a gay couple could not get married via a civil procedure. But inside the church i dont think its appropriate. I have talked to a few people about this and i think the main problem people have is the use of the word marriage. Most straight people have strong feelings about what it represents to them and although we are all now very civilised and progressive there still is a strong traditional feeling regarding something that is both a personal and deep commitment. Im not saying that gay couples do not make this same commitment but the tradition has always been between that of a man and a woman. If you gave the same civil ceremony and called it something else i think alot more people would respond in favour.(please dont start by "what would you call it then. "Queeraige) I think you are a little harsh on the Church as well, its not a rant, its a belief. You dont have to agree with it, just acknowledge that it is what the Catholic church believes. Try selling this idea anywhere outside Europe. There should be some kind of civil procedure for this but i dont think the church should have to accommodate. As for homosexuality being evil i really dont agree, it has always been a part of society whether hidden or in the public eye, alot of people are uncomfortable because its a relatively new thing to see men kissing in a bar. More power to them i say, it has been made legal here in Spain and they get their tax breaks and have same legal rights as any other couple, but i dont think the church has to recognise or agreee with this.

I think that only Hindis allow gay marriage, can anyone tell me another

A bigger question would be "should a gay couple be allowed to adopt? "

[dutchie]

no fear no hate just disgust about disgusting behaviour.
anal sex is when a man inserts his ....oh wait...there are young people here so I better not discribe what thay do in much detail....Question dutchi...does fecal odor make homosodomites feel romantic?
Do you get off on asking stupid questions like that? I saw you asking this question earlier... Is sticking your... in a woman's mouth pure? Did you never j..k off in your entire life? Come on, man!! Your train of thought is sickening, not gay love. You confuse love with sex. Good sex stems from love. Didn't you know?

The only fear that this debate elicits in me is the fear that this behaviour is being FORCED into acceptence by raw political power. That you and others DEMAND that this abnormal behaviour be accepted as normal, a complete deliberate brain screw.
I am not in a position to demand anything of anyone. Are you?

The only thing I hate is people who belive all truth comes from the barrel of a gun(political,governmental power).
Well, in this respect we totally agree. Phew, I thought it would never happen...

This will be My last post in this thread...its already become too sick. And if Im Homophobic(what does this shibboleth mean any way? afraid of men?) ...your truthphobic, its a typical Stalinist tactic to question the sanity of truth tellers.He who is without sin, cast the first stone. Come on now, Voxx - you're doing that all of the time... I didn't.

You guys all preach tolerence, when in fact you will not tolerate orthodox Christianity upholding the Truths of its faith.
I will tolerate anyone's belief, as long as it's not at THE EXPENSE of other human beings. In that respect you're far less scrupulous than I am.

[B.NyeTheUruk-Hai]

....Question dutchi...does fecal odor make homosodomites feel romantic?

What a childish and irrelevant statement! Just to let you know, the smell emanating from my wife's 'area' isn't very conducive to romance either.

Question for Vox: What if fecal odor DOES make homosodomites feel romantic?

Don't stick your holier-than-thou nose where it doesn't belong...

[voxpopulisuxx]

What a childish and irrelevant statement! Just to let you know, the smell emanating from my wife's 'area' isn't very conducive to romance either.

Question for Vox: What if fecal odor DOES make homosodomites feel romantic?

Don't stick your holier-than-thou nose where it doesn't belong...
ACCORDING TO YOU YOU HAVE NO BUSINESS TELLING ME WHERE TO STICK MY NOSE....
the fact is you expect Normal people to accept that sh*t smells good, its not a childish question at all! it gets to the very root of this debate Truth...you've exposed the agenda I spoke of in the Ultimate Conspiracy...that this is not a debate about the sexual perversions of a minority...but about the deliberate undermining of what is reality......because if you can get a person to accept that sh*t smells good you can get them to accept anything even slavery! Give me Liberty or Death,,, and the truth to deliberate deception!
"Tell a big enough Lie and People will belive it"-Attributed to Hitler


Shite smells good!
Anus is a sexual organ!
right is wrong and wrong is right!
theres no difference between male and female its interchangable!
this is orwell incarnate!

[DontBeAfraid]

You figured us out vox..... Now try and stop us from taking over the world. HAHAHAHA

You cant! You may as well bend over and wait.

[B.NyeTheUruk-Hai]

ACCORDING TO YOU YOU HAVE NO BUSINESS TELLING ME WHERE TO STICK MY NOSE....

Sure I do. When ANYBODY tries to tell somebody else how to live their life, whether its religion, government or ANYBODY ELSE, then it's my DUTY to tell you to cut it out! Especially when that anybody is trying to usurp centuries of positive human progress and yank us back 2000 years to the dark ages. And thus I repeat: DON'T STICK YOUR NOSE WHERE IT DOESN'T BELONG!


the fact is you expect Normal people to accept that sh*t smells good, its not a childish question at all! it gets to the very root of this debate Truth...you've exposed the agenda I spoke of in the Ultimate Conspiracy...that this is not a debate about the sexual perversions of a minority...but about the deliberate undermining of what is reality......because if you can get a person to accept that sh*t smells good you can get them to accept anything even slavery! Give me Liberty or Death,,, and the truth to deliberate deception!

S**t smells good? The Ultimate Conspiracy? Undermining reality? Just exactly what color is the sky in your world? How does one address such gibberish?


Shite smells good! Anus is a sexual organ! right is wrong and wrong is right! theres no difference between male and female its interchangable! this is orwell incarnate!

See above response. Also, I've got a soapbox and a sandwich board that says "The End of the World is Nigh!" for you..

[B.NyeTheUruk-Hai]

You figured us out vox..... Now try and stop us from taking over the world. HAHAHAHA

SSSHHHHHHH!!! We must not reveal our plans too soon. Patience... paaaaaatience...

[voxpopulisuxx]

[QUOTE=B.NyeTheUruk-Hai]Sure I do. When ANYBODY tries to tell somebody else how to live their life, whether its religion, government or ANYBODY ELSE, then it's my DUTY to tell you to cut it out! Especially when that anybody is trying to usurp centuries of positive human progress and yank us back 2000 years to the dark ages. And thus I repeat: DON'T STICK YOUR NOSE WHERE IT DOESN'T BELONG!
QUOTE]
Thanks for making my point!
Especially when that anybody is trying to usurp centuries of positive human progress and yank us back 2000 years to the dark ages. And thus I repeat: DON'T STICK YOUR penis WHERE IT DOESN'T BELONG!

[DontBeAfraid]

Religion was responsible for the dark ages vox.

[B.NyeTheUruk-Hai]

DON'T STICK YOUR penis WHERE IT DOESN'T BELONG!

Just WHO exactly do you think you are that you can tell me where I can or can't stick my hoo-hoo-dilly? The sheer ARROGANCE is mind-boggling! Gays can do whatever they want as long as they aren't hurting anybody. How would you like it if the government decreed that practicing Christianity was against the law? You would tell them that what you are doing is hurting no one and you would ask them what right do they have to tell you what to do or believe in. You would cry about a violation of human rights. DON'T deny it. The fact that Christians think that their ideas of morality are the only morality is pure arrogance. I'll decide what's moral in my life and how I live it, NOT you. And gays can decide for THEMSELVES what is moral and what isn't as long as they obey the law and hurt nobody. Are you hurt at all? Did a gay person *ss-rape you? Do gays want YOU to turn to the gay side? Have they affected your life in ANY way whatsoever? What's that? No? No, you say? Well, then why are you sticking your nose where it doesn't belong? By all means, Vox, STAY in the dark ages if that's what YOU choose to do. Just get off your soapbox and let everybody else live in the 21st century. Don't drag everybody down with you.


Thanks for making my point!

Oooooooooookay. For the record, I'm not sticking my nose in your life at all, I'm merely trying to remove yours from the lives of gays who aren't hurting anybody at all. If you want to live your life the way you want to and believe in Christianity and the Bible, then that is your right to do so and I wish you all the best. But you're a hypocrite if you don't extend the same courtesy to gays. Ponder this: I once worked with a doctor from Egypt. When he was living in Egypt, he was a devout Christian in a dominantly Muslim community. He tried to stay in practice and build up a loyal patient base. But guess what? The local Muslim clerics actually TOLD the people NOT to go to see this doctor simply because he was Christian! And eventually, he was forced to leave the country and came here to Canada. Now you know that I'm not religious at all, but I was absolutely DISGUSTED with this story. Do you not believe that the Muslim clerics were unreasonable and horrible people for doing this to this doctor? Do you not feel that they had NO RIGHT AT ALL to interfere with his life simply based on his choice of religion? Now extend this reasoning to the example of gay marriage and then think about things again. Believe it or not, you CAN still be Christian AND support gays and gay marriage. Really...

[DontBeAfraid]

As soon as this whole gay marriage thing is legal..... Im gonna gay marry vox! and theres nothing he can do about it! HAHAHAHAHA

[lotrfan55345]

Especially when that anybody is trying to usurp centuries of positive human progress and yank us back 2000 years to the dark ages. And thus I repeat: DON'T STICK YOUR penis WHERE IT DOESN'T BELONG!

Does your penis belong in your hand. This is an activity that .98 of all males do. The other .2 just lie/severe memory loss/in denial.


the fact is you expect Normal people to accept that sh*t smells good

but you think that Pee smells good? Is Pee "better" than poo? You know pee carries more pathogens than poo...


Anus is a sexual organ!

Yes it IS! You experience an orgasm by protruding objects in it! It is said to be more powerful than the orgasm experienced by vaginal-penis contact.

[B.NyeTheUruk-Hai]

As soon as this whole gay marriage thing is legal..... Im gonna gay marry vox! and theres nothing he can do about it! HAHAHAHAHA

LOL! And then we can move to Utah and I'll marry the two of you and we'll have a gay ol' time !!!
This could be our logo >>> :Bott:

[evilwill]

your tolerence is awe inspiring.

I could say the same about you...

[dutchie]

Just WHO exactly do you think you are that you can tell me where I can or can't stick my hoo-hoo-dilly? The sheer ARROGANCE is mind-boggling! Gays can do whatever they want as long as they aren't hurting anybody. How would you like it if the government decreed that practicing Christianity was against the law? You would tell them that what you are doing is hurting no one and you would ask them what right do they have to tell you what to do or believe in. You would cry about a violation of human rights. DON'T deny it. The fact that Christians think that their ideas of morality are the only morality is pure arrogance. I'll decide what's moral in my life and how I live it, NOT you. And gays can decide for THEMSELVES what is moral and what isn't as long as they obey the law and hurt nobody. Are you hurt at all? Did a gay person *ss-rape you? Do gays want YOU to turn to the gay side? Have they affected your life in ANY way whatsoever? What's that? No? No, you say? Well, then why are you sticking your nose where it doesn't belong? By all means, Vox, STAY in the dark ages if that's what YOU choose to do. Just get off your soapbox and let everybody else live in the 21st century. Don't drag everybody down with you.
....Amen, brother!! Could not agree more... :2thumbs:

[40oz]

Pathetic. It only fits that those that don't belive in a divine creator, in fact blaspheme the very thought would revel in wickedness and go against the very laws of nature. Your principals and values are all twisted and warped beyond recognition. Whats next? Horse and woman marriage if it makes her happy? I bet most of you losers would marry your computer as soon as it becomes legal.

[dutchie]

Pathetic. It only fits that those that don't belive in a divine creator, in fact blaspheme the very thought would revel in wickedness and go against the very laws of nature. Your principals and values are all twisted and warped beyond recognition. Whats next? Horse and woman marriage if it makes her happy? I bet most of you losers would marry your computer as soon as it becomes legal.
....wickedness.... I like that word, it has a nice ring to it.... :smokin:

Comparing gays to bestiality does make me wonder about the level of "warpedness" of your principles and values. You must have a great hatred within you to be insulting people like that, who never did you any harm.

Some members of this boards carry the strangest ideas around in their heads about people around them. It was the same thing when I decided to live together with my first girlfriend. My (baptist) dad was furious! Sex before marriage!!! (Mind you, I'm a boy and she was a girl, no gay stuff here...) He was literally screaming to me that I just was living with her for the sex!! I was really shocked and amazed and asked him how he envisioned my daily life... Climbing on top of her at 7 AM, just to get off her for a quick sandwich at noon and then back to business until dinner - finally having more hot sex until 11 PM?!? Man, how sick can you get?!? (I would probably die within a month)

Is this warped idea still around, but this time extended to gays and lesbians? Can't you people at least leave gay people alone?!? I am as straight as a line, but I grant ANYONE happiness. I RESPECT people, of any race, religion or sexual preference, AS LONG AS THEY DON'T HURT PEOPLE AROUND THEM.

1 Corinthians 13:13
"And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love."

You people do not have any love. You're all filled with bitter frustration, self-righteousness and hatred. Your sins are greater than those you see with gays.

[Havoc Angel]

You people do not have any love. You're all filled with bitter frustration, self-righteousness and hatred. Your sins are greater than those you see with gays.

Their greatest sin imho is their vanity. The sin which was the downfall of Lucifer. Heh, seems that some people won't go to heaven even according to their own beliefs.... :52:

[voxpopulisuxx]

....wickedness.... I like that word, it has a nice ring to it.... :smokin:

Comparing gays to bestiality does make me wonder about the level of "warpedness" of your principles and values. You must have a great hatred within you to be insulting people like that, who never did you any harm.

Some members of this boards carry the strangest ideas around in their heads about people around them. It was the same thing when I decided to live together with my first girlfriend. My (baptist) dad was furious! Sex before marriage!!! (Mind you, I'm a boy and she was a girl, no gay stuff here...) He was literally screaming to me that I just was living with her for the sex!! I was really shocked and amazed and asked him how he envisioned my daily life... Climbing on top of her at 7 AM, just to get off her for a quick sandwich at noon and then back to business until dinner - finally having more hot sex until 11 PM?!? Man, how sick can you get?!? (I would probably die within a month)

Is this warped idea still around, but this time extended to gays and lesbians? Can't you people at least leave gay people alone?!? I am as straight as a line, but I grant ANYONE happiness. I RESPECT people, of any race, religion or sexual preference, AS LONG AS THEY DON'T HURT PEOPLE AROUND THEM.

1 Corinthians 13:13
"And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love."

You people do not have any love. You're all filled with bitter frustration, self-righteousness and hatred. Your sins are greater than those you see with gays.

I dont care if you want to defend anal sodomy with rationalized ideas and personal anectdotes, but to try to bring the scripture to your defense is decidedly duplicitous according to your previous argumentation.
To love, is to tell the Truth, to lie is to Hate......it is untrue that penetrating another man is normal, you may wish to "allow" it in a live and let live mentality...but it will never be true or normal, no matter what we say here or what laws governments pass....thats what makes the pro sodomites soooo angry because even if they win every political victory, even if they get all the surface recognition, and "respect", they want in the end their still sticking their member in anothers sh*thole. Like children who pick their boogers and eat them....we should tell them the truth...its gross...and by the way it is the sodomites who are decidedly NOT live and let live...this continued insistance that they are harming no one is not true in the sphere of individual rights...they have an absolutist zeal to penetrate(?pardon the pun) every sphere of religion and suppress its natural dissent against their ACTIONS...they have not ceased in attacking religion and attempting to suppress Christians freedom of religion&speech. With much the same venome as is applied to my speech here....they are attacking my lifestyle daily, in hollywood,in the press, in the public schools, the public squares, which is I supposed their "right"...but if you think Christians like me are just supposed to sit suppinely as the sodomites attempt to sodomise the law, education and the faith of Christians, to further sodomise the culture...well if you think that that then you forgot another bible quote...."Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake. 12 Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you. 13 Ye are the salt of the earth: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be salted? it is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of men."Matt 5:11-13

[dutchie]

I dont care if you want to defend anal sodomy with rationalized ideas and personal anectdotes, but to try to bring the scripture to your defense is decidedly duplicitous according to your previous argumentation.
How so? Do you have the exclusive rights on quoting scriptures?? BTW, I did not ONCE talk about your precious "anal sodomy", nor did I defend it. I just think EVERYONE has a basic RIGHT to happiness, in whatever way they care to give shape to it. When you're 86 and look back at your life and then you would come to the bitter conclusion that all of it SUCKED - well, then YOU did something wrong.


To love, is to tell the Truth, to lie is to Hate......

Yeah, an apple equals a cow, and an airplane equals a cabbage. You take a lot of poetical freedom in your reactions, vox. In my book love is the highest form of respect you can show to a person, placing him or her in the very center of your universe, and yourself OUT of it.


it is untrue that penetrating another man is normal, you may wish to "allow" it in a live and let live mentality...but it will never be true or normal, no matter what we say here or what laws governments pass....thats what makes the pro sodomites soooo angry because even if they win every political victory, even if they get all the surface recognition, and "respect", they want in the end their still sticking their member in anothers sh*thole.
Here we go again. Time after time after time you're just concentrating on sex. I would be lead into believing this is a major preoccupation for you.
I will not penetrate another man - in MY book it's not an option. Which does not mean things MUST be the same for anyone else.


and by the way it is the sodomites who are decidedly NOT live and let live...this continued insistance that they are harming no one is not true in the sphere of individual rights...they have an absolutist zeal to penetrate(?pardon the pun) every sphere of religion and suppress its natural dissent against their ACTIONS...they have not ceased in attacking religion and attempting to suppress Christians freedom of religion&speech.
Now you're really getting carried away, voxx - please get a grip on yourself. A gay conspiracy against the Christians freedom of religion and speech?!? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!! That's HOMOPHOBIA in its most basic form for ya.....


With much the same venome as is applied to my speech here....they are attacking my lifestyle daily, in hollywood,in the press, in the public schools, the public squares, which is I supposed their "right"...but if you think Christians like me are just supposed to sit suppinely as the sodomites attempt to sodomise the law, education and the faith of Christians, to further sodomise the culture...well if you think that that then you forgot another bible quote...."Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake. 12 Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you. 13 Ye are the salt of the earth: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be salted? it is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of men."Matt 5:11-13
You know? I'd pour a stiff scotch if I were you, sit back and relax a while. Then afterwards, re-read your own post a few times and think about what you actually wrote there. There is NO venom here, no attack, I don't give a hoot about your lifestyle. I am not persecuting you, no one is. Man, your posts are really starting to show paranoid streaks.....

Really, relax, lighten up!

[voxpopulisuxx]

How so? Do you have the exclusive rights on quoting scriptures?? BTW, I did not ONCE talk about your precious "anal sodomy", nor did I defend it. I just think EVERYONE has a basic RIGHT to happiness, in whatever way they care to give shape to it. When you're 86 and look back at your life and then you would come to the bitter conclusion that all of it SUCKED - well, then YOU did something wrong.


Yeah, an apple equals a cow, and an airplane equals a cabbage. You take a lot of poetical freedom in your reactions, vox. In my book love is the highest form of respect you can show to a person, placing him or her in the very center of your universe, and yourself OUT of it.


Here we go again. Time after time after time you're just concentrating on sex. I would be lead into believing this is a major preoccupation for you.
I will not penetrate another man - in MY book it's not an option. Which does not mean things MUST be the same for anyone else.

Now you're really getting carried away, voxx - please get a grip on yourself. A gay conspiracy against the Christians freedom of religion and speech?!? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!! That's HOMOPHOBIA in its most basic form for ya.....


You know? I'd pour a stiff scotch if I were you, sit back and relax a while. Then afterwards, re-read your own post a few times and think about what you actually wrote there. There is NO venom here, no attack, I don't give a hoot about your lifestyle. I am not persecuting you, no one is. Man, your posts are really starting to show paranoid streaks.....

Really, relax, lighten up!
to employ an old chestnut...just because someones paranoid doesnt mean someone isnt in fact out to get you...
Scotch?...Vodka!
thirdly...you just dont follow this issue I do so therefore I see more of what Im talking about in regard to attacks by the sodomites on the institutions and people of faith. I could give you websites and the news stories if you like....and an obvoius point is...didnt this post start as a rant against the POPES teaching vis/vis Sodomy? The inference is the Pope has No right nor business talking about sodomy and marriage that way.
And to follow up on 40oz's posts why is it when Christians show strong and sincere feelings against a philosphy and political movement that is in-arguably a direct assult on the core tenants of their religion's moral teachings...its only because we secretly are repressing Homo sodomitic feelings ourselves? Or we are somehow "mental" or up tight? This is an uptight issue with Christians allright...so is abortion...I dont harbor secret deisires to kill babies....you know this a contentious issue....ever ask an arab about isreal?...I know they get quite worked up...and not because they secretly want to be jews...so that line of assault is quite invalid...it really is the very definition of ad hominum....I state all of this longing for an Ice cold Vox vodka and coke...lol

[B.NyeTheUruk-Hai]

......it is untrue that penetrating another man is normal, you may wish to "allow" it in a live and let live mentality...but it will never be true or normal, no matter what we say here or what laws governments pass...

Who says that it is not normal? You? The Bible? If gays are not Christian, they why should they have Christian beliefs pushed on them? Are you SO egocentric that you actually believe that people have to live their life the way that YOU want them to? You yourself told us that you went through a period where you examined many possibilities about religion and the meaning of life. YOUR conclusion was to believe in Christianity. Good for you, nobody is trying to tell you NOT to take this direction. You are free to do whatever you want with YOUR life. So if YOU had the freedom to think about and choose how to live your life, why is it that NOBODY else, including gays, cannot do the same? To allow other people to live life the way that they want is a basic human right and is also called TOLERANCE. YOU are INTOLERANT because you are forcing your beliefs on the gays, which is something that you simply have NO RIGHT to do, not even in your wildest dreams. I quote from the B.NyeTheUruk-Hai scriptures, psalm 17, paragraph 12: "Thou shalt live and let live as long as nobody is being hurt and no laws are being broken." Guess what, the people who wrote all of the scriptures in the Bible and other dudes like Aquinas are just regular schmoes like me and you. The MEN who wrote the bible and the MAN Aquinas don't know the answers to the universe any more than you or I. Without science to objectively attempt to answer these questions, they had no choice but to believe in the archaic notions of a deity. Quoting the Bible is NOT fact. Quoting Aquinas is NOT fact. Quoting Darwin is NOT fact. Quoting B.NyeTheUruk-Hai is NOT fact. Only FACT is the truth, and NO religion draws on fact to support their philosophies. NONE. Oh, and here's some other wisdom from the B.NyeTheUruk-Hai scriptures:
psalm 12, paragraph 22: "Thou shalt not stick thy big nose where it doesn't belong."
psalm 11, paragraph 33: "Thou shalt not be a bigot."
Oh, and thank goodness that the government governs the people based on current and relevant ideas as opposed to your barbaric views. That should tell you something.


...and by the way it is the sodomites who are decidedly NOT live and let live...this continued insistance that they are harming no one is not true in the sphere of individual rights...they have an absolutist zeal to penetrate(?pardon the pun) every sphere of religion and suppress its natural dissent against their ACTIONS...they have not ceased in attacking religion and attempting to suppress Christians freedom of religion&speech. With much the same venome as is applied to my speech here....they are attacking my lifestyle daily, in hollywood,in the press, in the public schools, the public squares, which is I supposed their "right"...but if you think Christians like me are just supposed to sit suppinely as the sodomites attempt to sodomise the law, education and the faith of Christians, to further sodomise the culture...

See dutchie's response. Gays are not ATTACKING you at all, Vox. They are DEFENDING the attacks by paranoid cults such as yours on their lifestyle. They just want to be left alone to live their lives in peace just like you and I. And your arrogance is attempting to deny them this. Eventually, your feeble attempt will fail, but you are simply too arrogant and holier-than-thou to realize this. Thank goodness that we live in a free society that grants us human RIGHTS instead of human BIGOTRY.
How exactly are gays "sodomising" the law, education, religion and culture? And even if they are, why is it that you feel that you can't just sit supinely by and let them have their happiness. I have, and guess what? It hasn't affected my life in the slightest! Has gay culture affected YOUR life in ANY way, Vox? Other than its prompted you to stick your big nose where it doesn't belong. Well, has it? I didn't think so.


I see more of what Im talking about in regard to attacks by the sodomites on the institutions and people of faith. I could give you websites and the news stories if you like....

Please do. I am open to learning new things, unlike other certain people on these message boards. Just give me ONE news story. That's it...


so is abortion...I dont harbor secret deisires to kill babies...

No, you only harbor not-so-secret-desires to kill other peoples' basic human rights in the name of your archaic beliefs. Face it, Vox. Your religion is NOT RELEVANT in today's progressive and tolerant society. YOU are not relevant.

[40oz]

....wickedness.... I like that word, it has a nice ring to it.... :smokin:

Comparing gays to bestiality does make me wonder about the level of "warpedness" of your principles and values. You must have a great hatred within you to be insulting people like that, who never did you any harm.

Some members of this boards carry the strangest ideas around in their heads about people around them. It was the same thing when I decided to live together with my first girlfriend. My (baptist) dad was furious! Sex before marriage!!! (Mind you, I'm a boy and she was a girl, no gay stuff here...) He was literally screaming to me that I just was living with her for the sex!! I was really shocked and amazed and asked him how he envisioned my daily life... Climbing on top of her at 7 AM, just to get off her for a quick sandwich at noon and then back to business until dinner - finally having more hot sex until 11 PM?!? Man, how sick can you get?!? (I would probably die within a month)

Is this warped idea still around, but this time extended to gays and lesbians? Can't you people at least leave gay people alone?!? I am as straight as a line, but I grant ANYONE happiness. I RESPECT people, of any race, religion or sexual preference, AS LONG AS THEY DON'T HURT PEOPLE AROUND THEM.

1 Corinthians 13:13
"And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love."

You people do not have any love. You're all filled with bitter frustration, self-righteousness and hatred. Your sins are greater than those you see with gays.

As usual you read my post and "filled" in the blanks when there where no blanks. I never said I hated anyone, that lifestyle is destructive and I despise it. I also desise many, many, other alternate lifestyle. However, I realize I am not perfect and acknowledge my faults. I seek to better myself and move away from spiritual destruction. Becoming aware is the first step then seeking help.

[B.NyeTheUruk-Hai]

I also desise many, many, other alternate lifestyle.

As do I. But just because I despise some lifestyles other than my own (like dutchie, I will NEVER stick my pecker into another man's anus) does NOT give me the mandate to hunt down these people and 'reform' them. I keep my nose in MY OWN business, I don't stick it where it doesn't belong and EVERYBODY's happy. When you go sticking your nose in other people's business, you not only make yourself unhappy, but you make the targets of your meddling unhappy as well. Nobody wins. Christianity gives you a template by which you live your life. Great! But for the life of me, I will NEVER EVER understand why Christians feel the need to impose this template on other people, especially when they don't want it thrust upon them. Leave them alone !!! You don't want any Jehovah's Witnesses coming to your door, do you? You want them to leave you alone, right? Well then, do the same for the gays and mind your own Goddamned business!


Becoming aware is the first step then seeking help.

There's that arrogance again...

[40oz]

As do I. But just because I despise some lifestyles other than my own (like dutchie, I will NEVER stick my pecker into another man's anus) does NOT give me the mandate to hunt down these people and 'reform' them. I keep my nose in MY OWN business, I don't stick it where it doesn't belong and EVERYBODY's happy. When you go sticking your nose in other people's business, you not only make yourself unhappy, but you make the targets of your meddling unhappy as well. Nobody wins. Christianity gives you a template by which you live your life. Great! But for the life of me, I will NEVER EVER understand why Christians feel the need to impose this template on other people, especially when they don't want it thrust upon them. Leave them alone !!! You don't want any Jehovah's Witnesses coming to your door, do you? You want them to leave you alone, right? Well then, do the same for the gays and mind your own Goddamned business!



There's that arrogance again...

Hey wise ass, Gay marriage is in the mainstream media and a government/state/religious issue. There is nothing PRIVATE about it. It is pretty imposing. Off coarse no one would be the wiser if it wasn't. Marriage is an institution of "Holy" matrimony. It wasn't intended for homo's. Call it something else if you want to unite same sex induviduals. Still wouldn't make it right but at least it wouldn't be like trying to fit your own agenda into a pre-existing and traditional part of union.

How is it if I express what I believe then its arrogance, however when you express your beliefs it is not? That in itself is of the upmost of arrogance. You words reveal your true nature and we can all see the hypocrisy that even you yourself are unaware of.

[DontBeAfraid]

I wanna kill babies, kick puppies and gay marry everyone of you homos..... and once its legal you wont be able to do anything to stop me!

[B.NyeTheUruk-Hai]

Hey wise ass

I'm glad that you see my wisdom. And there's that fixation on the ass again. Hmmm...


Marriage is an institution of "Holy" matrimony.

Is that why you can get married by Elvis at a drive-thru in Vegas? I'm married, and neither myself or my wife are religious. What does that mean? Am I not married now?


How is it if I express what I believe then its arrogance, however when you express your beliefs it is not? That in itself is of the upmost of arrogance.

You're not just expressing what you believe, you're IMPOSING them on people who disagree with your beliefs. There's a HUGE difference. You can express your beliefs all you want and it is certainly NOT arrogance. What IS arrogance is YOU trying to IMPOSE your beliefs on others. I have no desire to impose my beliefs on ANYBODY, therefore I am NOT arrogant. You would understand this if you had actually read my posts. My only desire is to prevent Nazi pricks like you from turning western culture into a Nazi state by FORCING your beliefs on people who have their OWN minds and who know how to think for THEMSELVES. Goose-stepping dictator...


You words reveal your true nature and we can all see the hypocrisy that even you yourself are unaware of.

What true nature is that? Please impose... errr... ELABORATE. There's no hypocrisy in my statements. Read my explanation above. I will refrain from calling you a hypocrite because I don't know you and you haven't necessarily said anything hypocritical.

I ask you again: WHY MUST YOU IMPOSE YOUR BELIEFS UPON THOSE THAT DON'T WISH TO BELIEVE THEM ??????????? WHY ?????????????

[voxpopulisuxx]

See dutchie's response. Gays are not ATTACKING you at all, Vox. They are DEFENDING the attacks by paranoid cults such as yours on their lifestyle. They just want to be left alone to live their lives in peace just like you and I. And your arrogance is attempting to deny them this. Eventually, your feeble attempt will fail, but you are simply too arrogant and holier-than-thou to realize this. Thank goodness that we live in a free society that grants us human RIGHTS instead of human BIGOTRY.
How exactly are gays "sodomising" the law, education, religion and culture? And even if they are, why is it that you feel that you can't just sit supinely by and let them have their happiness. I have, and guess what? It hasn't affected my life in the slightest! Has gay culture affected YOUR life in ANY way, Vox? Other than its prompted you to stick your big nose where it doesn't belong. Well, has it? I didn't think so.
Please do. I am open to learning new things, unlike other certain people on these message boards. Just give me ONE news story. That's it...

.

http://headlines.agapepress.org/archive/3/afa/42005b.asp

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=38096

this ones especially homo sodomites, sodomising My Faith
http://jmm.aaa.net.au/articles/1288.htm
excerpt:"In an orchestrated move, 20 members of a group campaigning for the church to give full recognition to homosexual Catholics had earlier gone forward for communion, while another 12 did the same St. Patrick's Cathedral in another major city, Melbourne"


http://www.realwomenca.com/newsletter/2003_july_aug/article_4.html

http://www.inoohr.org/homosexualscommittinghatecrim.htm

http://www.traditionalvalues.org/modules.php?sid=2114

and if you skip all the above...dont skip the following:

http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewCulture.asp?Page=%5CCulture%5Carchive%5C200205 %5CCUL20020507b.html

these are but a few...I found these in a matter of seconds simply by googling "homosexual activists"

so dont give me the "homosodomites, are just like tha amish and want to be left alone" crap...they absolutly want to impose their lie on Christians....and its not about what perverts want to do in their bedroom...its that these perverts DEMAND I accept their perversion a Normal and equitable To Holy Matrimony....in the public square THEY DAMAND IT! get that...read that again......DEMAND.
but I can see that you understand that any condemnation of their lifestyle redounds to yours as well...very perceptive...and very accurate...hence your violent reaction to said criticism...The Pope is right.

[B.NyeTheUruk-Hai]

....and its not about what perverts want to do in their bedroom...its that these perverts DEMAND I accept their perversion a Normal and equitable To Holy Matrimony....in the public square THEY DAMAND IT! get that...read that again......DEMAND.

FINALLY!!! I'm glad that I'm finally able to grasp WHERE you are coming from! Hallelujah!!! Your previous explanations on your position were poorly worded, Vox, and thus caused confusion. I now understand. You are upset that gays want to be accepted by the Christian faith. I'd have to agree that, since sodomy is condemned by Christianity, that Christianity has the right to reject gays and exclude them from their faith. This is fair. I personally don't approve of this, but I'm not a Christian and therefore I have no right to tell Christians what they can or can't do. Fair enough. Your arguments led me to believe that you were going after Christians and meddling in their affairs when they want nothing to do with Christianity. There's a BIG difference there that you weren't very clear on. Therefore, I apologize for the misunderstanding. Just to follow up on this from the perspective of the gays, they should then seek either to be accepted by another faith or simply start their own where gays are not excluded. It's still a shame that we have to have organizations that exclude certain segments of the population, but it's none of my business.

However, I hope that you have enough tolerance to accept that gays have the right to seek marriage in the civil sense, if not through the church. And thus they should have all the civil rights that are afforded to hetero marriages. Please throw me a bone here and agree that they should at least have these CIVIL rights even though you don't agree with their lifestyle choices...


The Pope is right.

No he's not. The original question posed by this thread was whether gay marriage is considered to be "evil". Gay people are not evil. You're seriously deluded if you think that they are...

[B.NyeTheUruk-Hai]

I just have to add that I feel terrible for gays who have been Christians all of their lives before "coming out of the closet". They put their entire faith in God for their entire lives and then are ruthlessly and remorselessly abandoned by this faith simply because they are gay. I can understand their feelings of abandonment and their desire to be accepted by fellow Christians who they thought loved them and now vehemently hate them. And thus I sympathize with their plight. But alas, this is not my fight...

[Keeblergiant]

and its not about what perverts want to do in their bedroom...its that these perverts DEMAND I accept their perversion a Normal and equitable To Holy Matrimony....in the public square THEY DAMAND IT! get that...read that again......DEMAND.

Who cares? Do you think they care if you have sex with a women? I don't think so...it's the exact same thing. You enjoy screwing people of the opposite sex, they enjoy screwing people of the same sex. Were you an alter boy when you were growing up? Because that may explain your hate for gays...

[Keeblergiant]

Hey wise ass, Gay marriage is in the mainstream media and a government/state/religious issue. There is nothing PRIVATE about it.

So is non-gay sex...what's your point? It's just as private as if you decided to have sex (assuming all of your special needs friends aren't already taken).

[B.NyeTheUruk-Hai]

Yeah, that story about promoting homosexualism in schools is pretty paranoid. It simply wants to identify existing gays and teach those gays that they are not evil as the church would have them believe. You just have to relax more...

As far as the Kinsey stuff is concerned and saving sex until you get married. Come on! Man had sex for THOUSANDS of years before the concept of marriage was ever established and it was primarily doggy-style. It wasn't until the church came along and told primitive men that "Hey, you guys know that thing that you've been doing for thousands of years and naturally doing it doggy-style? Well, it's wrong." The simple fact is that, from an anatomical stand-point, the angle of the penis lines up perfectly with the angle of the vaginal canal when intercourse occurs in the doggy-style position. When in the missionary position, the penis and vagina are not optimally lined up, the penis bends awkwardly. Don't tell me "no", because I've experienced it first hand. So the question that is begging to be asked is why would God optimize male-female anatomy for the doggy-style position if he wanted men and women to get it on in the missionary position? Discuss...

[voxpopulisuxx]

Yeah, that story about promoting homosexualism in schools is pretty paranoid. It simply wants to identify existing gays and teach those gays that they are not evil as the church would have them believe. You just have to relax more...

As far as the Kinsey stuff is concerned and saving sex until you get married. Come on! Man had sex for THOUSANDS of years before the concept of marriage was ever established and it was primarily doggy-style. It wasn't until the church came along and told primitive men that "Hey, you guys know that thing that you've been doing for thousands of years and naturally doing it doggy-style? Well, it's wrong." The simple fact is that, from an anatomical stand-point, the angle of the penis lines up perfectly with the angle of the vaginal canal when intercourse occurs in the doggy-style position. When in the missionary position, the penis and vagina are not optimally lined up, the penis bends awkwardly. Don't tell me "no", because I've experienced it first hand. So the question that is begging to be asked is why would God optimize male-female anatomy for the doggy-style position if he wanted men and women to get it on in the missionary position? Discuss...

If I were to use political pressure, and deliberate activism to foce Jewish and Muslim Children the glories of eating pork....you would be screaming for defense of their civil rights.......and By the Way...the Pope was right...and your right..nothing wrong with Gay people....just a problem with sodomites....oh thats right you think both words mean the same thing.....man they even were able to sodomise the english language.

[voxpopulisuxx]

by the way I knew you would simply diminish,redefine. or otherwise dismiss the very evidence you demanded of me in regard to activist homosodomites....you said give me just ONE article showing sodomites forcing their agenda on others...I guess I screwed up by giving you several....

[Keeblergiant]

I don't see why you morons believe that having having hetero-sex is any more right than having homo-sex...

[B.NyeTheUruk-Hai]

by the way I knew you would simply diminish,redefine. or otherwise dismiss the very evidence you demanded of me in regard to activist homosodomites....you said give me just ONE article showing sodomites forcing their agenda on others...I guess I screwed up by giving you several...

Nice try, Vox, but I was under the impression from the beginning of this thread that you felt that gays were ATTACKING you and forcing their beliefs on you. They're NOT. They're just simply lobbying to be accepted by the Christian faith that so heartlessly abandoned them. There was a misunderstanding between the two of us about this. You don't have to be a smarmy smart-ass about what was so obviously a misunderstanding based mainly on your inability to convey your exact thoughts via your keyboard. By the way, I didn't at all diminish, redefine or dismiss your evidence. I thought I was perfectly clear that I ACCEPTED your evidence - that IS what evidence is for after all - after I realized that you've blown the whole gay-lobbying thing so ridiculously out of proportion. It was YOUR evidence that made me realize your point of view - not exactly diminishing, redefining or dismissing it now, is it? I'm glad that you posted those examples.


If I were to use political pressure, and deliberate activism to foce Jewish and Muslim Children the glories of eating pork....you would be screaming for defense of their civil rights...
You BET I would! Because you would be STICKING YOUR BIG FAT HOLIER-THAN-THOU NOSE WHERE IT DOESN'T BELONG! Why would you argue like this? I've ALREADY told you that I DON'T agree that gays should force Christianity to change their fundamental views and accept them. I understand where gays are coming from and sympathize with them, but they shouldn't be forcing Christianity to accept them when Christian doctrine explicitly says NO. I AGREE WITH YOU! You have such ridiculous tunnel vision that you can't even see when somebody agrees with you! LOL! By the way, your pork example is not quite the same because Christians would have nothing to gain by getting Muslims and Jews to eat pork whereas gays would be allowed to retain their lifelong faith if allowed to remain Christians. Somewhat similar, but not the greatest example.


nothing wrong with Gay people....just a problem with sodomites....oh thats right you think both words mean the same thing...
Dictionary.com defines sodomy as "Any of various forms of sexual intercourse held to be unnatural or abnormal, especially anal intercourse or bestiality" as well as "Anal copulation of one male with another. Anal or oral copulation with a member of the opposite sex. Copulation with an animal". Generally, since gays have sex with eachother just like heteros do, I can only guess that you're referring to women who don't have a hoo-hoo-dilly to insert into another woman. Is that what you're getting at?


man they even were able to sodomise the english language.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!! You mean like the way that YOU sodomize spelling and grammar? LOL! By the way, you've done very well 'sodomizing' the definitions of theory and fact. Still haven't read the pages suggested by Lazserus, huh? Thought so...

[voxpopulisuxx]

pulleeeeeeeze don't reinsert the e" topic here toooooooooooo.
ok Ill take your acceptance of my position vis/vis homosodomitic intolerance of orthodox Christianity...Im glad I was able to final get you pass your kneejerk reactions, and understand that my opposition to this topic has nothing to do with their sexual appetites but their theological and political appetites. and The Pope was right,,,when ever he speaks on matters of Faith and Morals hes infallible...

[B.NyeTheUruk-Hai]

...Im glad I was able to final get you pass your kneejerk reactions, and understand that my opposition to this topic has nothing to do with their sexual appetites but their theological and political appetites.
It was not a knee-jerk reaction, you just didn't state your position very clearly...


and The Pope was right,,,when ever he speaks on matters of Faith and Morals hes infallible...
You can't get through ONE post without showing your arrogance. The Pope is just a man. Man is fallible. He is infallible on matters of Faith, I'll give you that. But on matters of morals? He's just an old man with outdated and archaic principles that harken back to the DARK AGES. Gay people are evil? Why, that's just spinning-jennies and jelly-fish...

[voxpopulisuxx]

It was not a knee-jerk reaction, you just didn't state your position very clearly...


You can't get through ONE post without showing your arrogance. The Pope is just a man. Man is fallible. He is infallible on matters of Faith, I'll give you that. But on matters of morals? He's just an old man with outdated and archaic principles that harken back to the DARK AGES. Gay people are evil? Why, that's just spinning-jennies and jelly-fish...
not arrogence..that is the Popes Job,faith AND MORALS...and he is infallable in these areas alone..thats what catholics belive and teach, your not catholic so I dont expect you to belive it.
Im glad to see you read The Chesterton article...nice use of the prose..!

[Bigsky770]

. . .Voxpopulisuxx, just curious here but have you ever had any FRIENDS that were "gay?" Have you any understanding of the personal turmoils and tragedies in their lives sans' the "judgemental view" of their personal lives w/o benefit of the pope's views about what HE thinks of 'homosexuality' or his views as thus that are only a repetition of the views that the church has had for centuries? Methinks you need to get out more. . .

. . .Please recall, the same church you so avidly defend had thought for centuries that all of the Heavens rotated in accord around our Earth. It was unheard of to believe otherwise until which time Copernicus and Galileo had showed them the error of their ways. Please do not err the same way to believe that all of the world should fall into line behind your anachronistic way of thinking and rotate happily around this aged swan song. . .

. . .Geez you make me tired. . .I think you were born 6 centuries too late. . .

Joe (Bigsky770) :vbroll:

[voxpopulisuxx]

. . .Voxpopulisuxx, just curious here but have you ever had any FRIENDS that were "gay?" Have you any understanding of the personal turmoils and tragedies in their lives sans' the "judgemental view" of their personal lives w/o benefit of the pope's views about what HE thinks of 'homosexuality' or his views as thus that are only a repetition of the views that the church has had for centuries? Methinks you need to get out more. . .

. . .Please recall, the same church you so avidly defend had thought for centuries that all of the Heavens rotated in accord around our Earth. It was unheard of to believe otherwise until which time Copernicus and Galileo had showed them the error of their ways. Please do not err the same way to believe that all of the world should fall into line behind your anachronistic way of thinking and rotate happily around this aged swan song. . .

. . .Geez you make me tired. . .I think you were born 6 centuries too late. . .

Joe (Bigsky770) :vbroll:
I have alot of Happy Friends, I have no friends that Im aware of that engage in anal penetration however..... for some reason people continue to use that once fine english word "Gay" to mean those who prefer anal sex...but hey...as to you Mr Sky INSISTING on dragging the galileo geo- helo-centric argument in to this already confusing thread please dont bother....for the sake of haveing one thread not devoted to the worship of the dogmas of science...please not here lets keep focus shall we...

as to your critiqe and insult to My Sainted Mother, she is in no way anachronistic or otherwise defunct as she is going on her 2000th plus year of existance I doubt it would be hard to improve upon her ability to thrive under all circumstances...
since you havent posted in my threads recently I need to remind you I have been attempting to avoid personal attack and I would like you to try to do the same....
Now if I hear correctly you are a George Bush supporter....hmmmm how does that fit in with your pro Homosodomite stance?
The personal lives and devient practices of other individuals are none of my concern, nor do I fear them or their practices, what I am opposed to vehemently is the Imposition of their veiw of morality through the power of Government, and media into Orthodox Christianity through deliberate open and belligerent action AGAINST Christians. They damand we renounce or faith, they demand we instruct our children to do the same, and they damand I pay through my taxes to further their agenda.....now as I used in an earlier post....If used force, intimidation,and Governmental fiat to tell orthodox muslims and Jews that eating pork was to be endorsed,taught to their children, and openly rubbed in their face through the media..you would rightly have a fit of rightous indignation...but Catholics well thats different..to hell with their faith and their morals,,,oh its ok after all their Mother is the whore of Babylon who persecuted poor beliggerent Galileo for teaching good science(lie).
And you Mr Sky, recall that the Church you so roundly insult and revile has done much good in this world, Much more Good than Mr. Bush and His republocrat dictatorship that you so avidly defend has done and is going to do....
so if you want to get personal go look in the mirror...I am going to defend God, His Church, the The natural laws of God, and NOT going to attack your person, only your anti_catholic rhetorical "arguments"....
Homosodomy is an activity, it is not a race of people. Thats my position, Im not ever gonna move from it, so save your breath....so hows Life treating Sky any way?

[Bigsky770]

. . .I like YOU. (Really, I do!) ::)):

. . .I didn't think my attack was all that personal, sorry that you took it that way :bubble: . . .

About "BUSH"

. . .I voted for him MAINLY because I believe in the larger part of what the man stands for, and (as I have) realize also that there can be many different ways many "Americans" feel about issues in their country, and this does in no way extract from them that they are, indeed, still "Americans". This is not so in the "church" whereas dissagreement in one single solitary issue can be cause for Expulsion. Exclusion. Anathema. Damnation. The point that I was trying to get across to you by bringing up Galileo, Vox, is to just get you to stop for a moment and think about "The Church" and realize that it cannot ALWAYS be right. Just not possible. Things are not always as they may seem to you, and sometimes yah gotta get to the heart of the matter; and the heart of that matter would be for ones like yourself to be a little more understanding and compassionate towards ones who may live 'alternate' lifestyles and not that they do so belligerantly, but that they cannot see any other way for WHO THEY ARE. The ones that I have become aquainted with AND YES have been some of the best friends I had ever had didn't wake up one fine spring morning and think: "Well, this is the day for it, I think I'll become a homosexual". It just doesn't WORK that way. Comprende'? You either are, or you're not. Should one be damned because of it? Of course not, that's insane. Just as you judge your church "worthy" for the charitable acts it had done throughout history you are therefore offering it vindication as a wholly necessary institution. On these same merits should a man or woman be judged, stepping aside from the unecessary branding of whether one choice of sexual preferences is a right (or) a wrong. When you sink to that level, you are missing the greater good of the one you feel the right too judge, and taking issue with an aspect of their persona that you have not the faintest clue about. THAT, my friend, is where your failing lies. . .

. . .Did you ask how I am doing? Fine. Warm heart, skin of teflon. that's me. In the future I wouldn't take things so personal if I were you.

. . .Ah, yeah. One more thing. Love and kisses. Stop being so "Homophobic", K?

Joe (Bigsky770) :vbroll:

[40oz]

I don't see why you morons believe that having having hetero-sex is any more right than having homo-sex...

Nothing I ever read from you will be taken seriously ever again, I said it once before but I digress, I thought you were intelligent, wrong but intelligent. Know I see there is nothing but stupidity in you. The reason for sex in reproduction, the pleasure of sex is to get us to do it more and therefore reproduce more. There is no other reason in the world for the actual act of sex. I would have thought that with your extensive knowledge of evolution would surly know this. Yet again you contradict the very foundation you stand on. Nothing more then bullshit and untruths come from you. And now we can all read it. Even the same people that side with, although they will probably come to your aid and defend your idiocy. As much as I didn't understand about the misunderstandings of some evolutionary theories, you seem to understand even less. If its is so right and there is nothing wrong with it thank GOD your evolution didn't see it the same way or else we wouldn't be here. What are you views of legalizing cocaine? Heroin? It don't hurt no one. Hypocrite.

[dutchie]

The reason for sex in reproduction, the pleasure of sex is to get us to do it more and therefore reproduce more. There is no other reason in the world for the actual act of sex.I can name a few... But it's clear you can't be bothered. I pity your partner... (male, female?!?).

[40oz]

I can name a few... But it's clear you can't be bothered. I pity your partner... (male, female?!?).

Puuuuleese enlighten me........ Name one reason for sex other then reproduction.
Reducing stress? Lossing weight? I never said I didnt enjoy it, however when done in the proper respects the ultimate outcome will be offspring. The passing of genes and replenishing the human race. If you can name ONE single purpose for sex other then reproduction I promise you I will never ever post here again and save you some headaches...

[dutchie]

How about expressing mutual love and affection for one and another?

When I follow your clinical train of thought, I picture you and your partner, fully dressed, with you unzipping your fly and engaging in a 3 minute bang on the kitchen table at a carefully timed moment when her fertility cycle is peaking. Slam bang thank you ma'am. Here's another baby. Next bang will be in 11 months from now. Have a nice day.

Well, 40oz, it's been nice knowing you. Goodbye.

[40oz]

How about expressing mutual love and affection for one and another?

When I follow your clinical train of thought, I picture you and your partner, fully dressed, with you unzipping your fly and engaging in a 3 minute bang on the kitchen table at a carefully timed moment when her fertility cycle is peaking. Slam bang thank you ma'am. Here's another baby. Next bang will be in 11 months from now. Have a nice day.

Well, 40oz, it's been nice knowing you. Goodbye.

I said PURPOSE,

pur·pose ( P ) Pronunciation Key (pûrps)
n.
The object toward which one strives or for which something exists; an aim or a goal: “And ever those, who would enjoyment gain/Must find it in the purpose they pursue” (Sarah Josepha Hale).
A result or effect that is intended or desired; an intention. See Synonyms at intention.
Determination; resolution: He was a man of purpose.
The matter at hand; the point at issue.

tr.v. pur·posed, pur·pos·ing, pur·pos·es
To intend or resolve to perform or accomplish.

Sure its fun and you picturing me making love to my wife is a bit uncomfortable ecspecial sine you got the clothing and time part right. Tell ya what I'll bail, I'll find a site where the sold called moderators are not so self serving. Your answer is incorrect BTW, because there is no other purposfull function for the act of sex. There are benefits, pleasures, joys, all that jazz but when its all said and done, do you think its done? Can you impregnate your boyfriend dutchie? There are so many different angles here its usless. I am talking about sex as a means of reproducing, I'm talking the fundamentals you are the scientific ones and you cant see my point.

this is my last post here

[dutchie]

Oooohh... you can't take irony and sarcasm very well, now can you?!?

I was talking about purpose too, you know: having sex for the PURPOSE of expressing mutal affection and love.

As for the homosexual innuendo: how would you feel if I said I was so much hurt and offended by that, I now wrote my final post?

Lighten up, man. Don't take everything so damn seriously. :crazy:

[B.NyeTheUruk-Hai]

There is no other reason in the world for the actual act of sex.
Man, I'd better dump my stock in the condom companies and contraceptive pharmaceutical companies! I'm sorry to burst your bubble, but BILLIONS of people are having sex today where their purpose is NOT to reproduce. The actual act of sex can be performed for the PURPOSE of expressing one's love toward another PERSON or strictly for the PURPOSE of having FUN and gaining PLEASURE. Human beings are the only organisms on this planet that have sex for pleasure. To put it in cruder terms, do you think horny teenage boys on prom night are banging their dates for the purpose of reproduction? No, of course not. Their banging their dates for the PURPOSE of getting laid, plain and simple. By the way, I had pre-marital sex with my wife from the years leading up to our marriage (1989 to 1994) and we've been having sex up until the past year STRICTLY FOR THE PURPOSE OF ENJOYING EACHOTHER AND GETTING PLEASURE FROM PLEASING EACHOTHER. WE DID NOT WANT KIDS up until one year ago, so then WHY did we have sex? Hello? << crickets chirping >> Ironically, sex was much more enjoyable with eachother when we WEREN'T trying to get pregnant. Over the past year, we've been carefully timing things so that we could do it when she was ovulating and it hasn't been as pleasurable as in the past because it seems so calculating, un-spontaneous and pre-meditated now that we're trying to REPRODUCE. At least we still take all of our clothes off though... Oh, I just thought of a great example -- let's say that there is a married couple and the guy is sterile. According to you, there is no reason to ever have sex again. Do you REALLY think that they're NEVER going to have sex again KNOWING that they CANNOT reproduce? If you think that they're NOT or that they SHOULDN'T, then you're further gone than I thought... Oh yeah, I do believe that you promised that you would never post here again...


I would have thought that with your extensive knowledge of evolution would surly know this. Yet again you contradict the very foundation you stand on.
Yep, you GOT him there! Saying that people can have sex for fun and NOT JUST reproduction COMPLETELY contradicts his beliefs in evolution. << presses button on control panel to activate laugh track >> What is going on in your brain that leads you to a moronic conclusion such as that?


thank GOD your evolution didn't see it the same way or else we wouldn't be here.
Yep, you got him AGAIN! He CLEARLY implied that we should be having sex ONLY for fun and NOT AT ALL for reproduction. Oh, wait. Let me read it again. Wait a minute... he didn't imply that at all! I'm so silly...


What are you views of legalizing cocaine? Heroin? It don't hurt no one.Hypocrite.
Actually, it DOES hurt people. Users die from using these drugs and users commit crimes and violence against other people in order to get their next fix. But if you say so...

And this one is for Vox:
If the Pope (past and present incarnations) is so infallible, then why are there so many perverts fondling kids in the priesthood? And don't tell me that they're not really sodomites because then that would imply that sexually fondling little boys is morally acceptable. And apparently a Pope from the middle-ages was so infallible that he thought that the ENTIRE UNIVERSE (let alone the sun and the solar-system planets) revolved around the Earth. And don't shrug this off as belonging in another thread. Enough of your evasions. ANSWER the question for a change. Infallible? Riiiiiight...

[B.NyeTheUruk-Hai]

Oh yeah! I forgot about this one:

"Taking into account the state of scientific research at the time as well as of the requirements of theology, the encyclical Humani Generis considered the doctrine of "evolutionism" a serious hypothesis, worthy of investigation and in-depth study equal to that of the opposing hypothesis. Pius XII added two methodological conditions: that this opinion should not be adopted as though it were a certain, proven doctrine and as though one could totally prescind from revelation with regard to the questions it raises. He also spelled out the condition on which this opinion would be compatible with the Christian faith, a point to which I will return. Today, almost half a century after the publication of the encyclical, new knowledge has led to the recognition of the theory of evolution as more than a hypothesis. [Aujourdhui, près dun demi-siècle après la parution de l'encyclique, de nouvelles connaissances conduisent à reconnaitre dans la théorie de l'évolution plus qu'une hypothèse.] It is indeed remarkable that this theory has been progressively accepted by researchers, following a series of discoveries in various fields of knowledge. The convergence, neither sought nor fabricated, of the results of work that was conducted independently is in itself a significant argument in favor of this theory."
-- Address of Pope John Paul II to the Pontifical Academy of Sciences (October 22, 1996)

Ummmm, so the POPE supports evolution? This can't be! He is INFALLIBLE! Well... I guess if he IS infallible, then he MUST be correct! Evolution is TRUE! And using the same logic, that must mean that... VOX is NOT infallible! << a violent earthquake rocks the building that B.NyeTheUruk-Hai is in, then settles down after a few moments >> The world will never be the same again...

[voxpopulisuxx]

And this one is for Vox:
If the Pope (past and present incarnations) is so infallible, then why are there so many perverts fondling kids in the priesthood? And don't tell me that they're not really sodomites because then that would imply that sexually fondling little boys is morally acceptable. And apparently a Pope from the middle-ages was so infallible that he thought that the ENTIRE UNIVERSE (let alone the sun and the solar-system planets) revolved around the Earth. And don't shrug this off as belonging in another thread. Enough of your evasions. ANSWER the question for a change. Infallible? Riiiiiight...see my post to dutchie in CATHOLIC ANSWERS...it directly answers this question for you...this is not evasion duh....why should i waste my time rewriting something when all you have to do is get up out of your bean bag chair, put your clothes back on, put down your bowl of cheetos, wipe your fingers off and click a damn button!
and once again it is only in the areas of Faith and Morals...that the Pope is infallable....and by the way Im on record as saying I dont care wether you belive this...Just that is what is taught...and what I belive to be true.
and also look in "Hail MAry Thread" to see how Traditional Catholics feel the sicko P>I>N>O>(Priests In Name Only) should be treated....Have a nice day

[voxpopulisuxx]

Oh yeah! I forgot about this one:

"Taking into account the state of scientific research at the time as well as of the requirements of theology, the encyclical Humani Generis considered the doctrine of "evolutionism" a serious hypothesis, worthy of investigation and in-depth study equal to that of the opposing hypothesis. Pius XII added two methodological conditions: that this opinion should not be adopted as though it were a certain, proven doctrine and as though one could totally prescind from revelation with regard to the questions it raises. He also spelled out the condition on which this opinion would be compatible with the Christian faith, a point to which I will return. Today, almost half a century after the publication of the encyclical, new knowledge has led to the recognition of the theory of evolution as more than a hypothesis. [Aujourdhui, près dun demi-siècle après la parution de l'encyclique, de nouvelles connaissances conduisent à reconnaitre dans la théorie de l'évolution plus qu'une hypothèse.] It is indeed remarkable that this theory has been progressively accepted by researchers, following a series of discoveries in various fields of knowledge. The convergence, neither sought nor fabricated, of the results of work that was conducted independently is in itself a significant argument in favor of this theory."
-- Address of Pope John Paul II to the Pontifical Academy of Sciences (October 22, 1996)

Ummmm, so the POPE supports evolution? This can't be! He is INFALLIBLE! Well... I guess if he IS infallible, then he MUST be correct! Evolution is TRUE! And using the same logic, that must mean that... VOX is NOT infallible! << a violent earthquake rocks the building that B.NyeTheUruk-Hai is in, then settles down after a few moments >> The world will never be the same again...
nice quote...I copyed it so I can use it in the future to support my position as it is the one Held by Pius who was teaching in the area of faith and Morals(infallable)
and the documant of Pope JP2 who was teaching about science and society(not infallable) ...>>>>vox smirks at nye as angelic serephim surround voxs Being causing him to glow with smug satisfaction haveing once again proved his prowess in Catholic theology>>>>>>>>>>(:p) lol

[voxpopulisuxx]

. . .I like YOU. (Really, I do!) ::)):

. . .I didn't think my attack was all that personal, sorry that you took it that way :bubble: . . .

About "BUSH"

. . .I voted for him MAINLY because I believe in the larger part of what the man stands for, and (as I have) realize also that there can be many different ways many "Americans" feel about issues in their country, and this does in no way extract from them that they are, indeed, still "Americans". This is not so in the "church" whereas dissagreement in one single solitary issue can be cause for Expulsion. Exclusion. Anathema. Damnation. The point that I was trying to get across to you by bringing up Galileo, Vox, is to just get you to stop for a moment and think about "The Church" and realize that it cannot ALWAYS be right. Just not possible. Things are not always as they may seem to you, and sometimes yah gotta get to the heart of the matter; and the heart of that matter would be for ones like yourself to be a little more understanding and compassionate towards ones who may live 'alternate' lifestyles and not that they do so belligerantly, but that they cannot see any other way for WHO THEY ARE. The ones that I have become aquainted with AND YES have been some of the best friends I had ever had didn't wake up one fine spring morning and think: "Well, this is the day for it, I think I'll become a homosexual". It just doesn't WORK that way. Comprende'? You either are, or you're not. Should one be damned because of it? Of course not, that's insane. Just as you judge your church "worthy" for the charitable acts it had done throughout history you are therefore offering it vindication as a wholly necessary institution. On these same merits should a man or woman be judged, stepping aside from the unecessary branding of whether one choice of sexual preferences is a right (or) a wrong. When you sink to that level, you are missing the greater good of the one you feel the right too judge, and taking issue with an aspect of their persona that you have not the faintest clue about. THAT, my friend, is where your failing lies. . .

. . .Did you ask how I am doing? Fine. Warm heart, skin of teflon. that's me. In the future I wouldn't take things so personal if I were you.

. . .Ah, yeah. One more thing. Love and kisses. Stop being so "Homophobic", K?

Joe (Bigsky770) :vbroll:
you realize of course you ended your post with an insult...but thats ok.
secondly THE CHURCH HAS MADE PUUUUUUUUHLENTY OF mistakes even Paul had to admonish Peter the first Pope for the sin of Judisizing....but the Church has never been mistaken in her Dogmas and teachings as they pertain to Faith and Morals (jeez how many times do I have to make this distinction b4 it sinks in?)
and as far as lightening up...every time i try to joke people accuse me of evasiveness...i cant catch a break. heres an anonymous quote I like to illustrate how catholics see the church....and a quote from Hillare Belloc:
“Our faith is not in an instruction, our faith is not a proposition, our faith is not even in the church. Our faith is in Jesus Christ. If our faith was in priests, we wouldn’t have survived Holy Thursday. Less than a couple hours after Jesus ordained the first priests, one of them sold him for 30 pieces of silver. One betrayed him three times. And eight ran off when he needed them most ... one of the first 12 stuck with him. That isn’t a good rate … less than 8 percent, less than two hours after the church began.”Anonymous

"As a Catholic, my faith tells me that the Church has a divine origin, but my own experience tells me that it must be divine because no human institution run with an equal mixture of ineptitude and wickedness would have lasted a fortnight." --Hilaire Belloc

[B.NyeTheUruk-Hai]

....why should i waste my time rewriting something when all you have to do is get up out of your bean bag chair, put your clothes back on, put down your bowl of cheetos, wipe your fingers off and click a damn button!
LOL !!! This is gold, baby, GOLD !!! Actually, I had to get out of my office desk chair at my clinic, adjust my tie, put down my bottle of water, wash my hands with disinfecting soap, see some patients and write some surgical referrals before getting back to my laptop to click the damn button. But you were close, oh so close! Ha ha! Gold!


....and by the way Im on record as saying I dont care wether you belive this...Just that is what is taught...and what I belive to be true.
It's good to see that you acknowledge the difference between truth and belief. We as a society are SCREWED the day that beliefs are unwillingly thrust upon us. And despite us poking fun at eachother, I respect your beliefs and harbor no desire to change them...


also look in "Hail MAry Thread" to see how Traditional Catholics feel the sicko P>I>N>O>(Priests In Name Only) should be treated...
I will. Seems like an interesting topic. And, as always, it will be interesting to see a Catholic point of view on this problem.


I copyed it so I can use it in the future to support my position as it is the one Held by Pius who was teaching in the area of faith and Morals(infallable)
and the documant of Pope JP2 who was teaching about science and society(not infallable)
Ummm, should somebody tell Vox that his own Pope supports evolution? And if he's not infallible with such a major subject as evolution, does that not mean that the Pope might, just might, be fallible in other areas as well? << typing furiously while watching science saving the Pope's life with a tracheotomy on CNN >> Man, there's an AWFUL lot of rules that we have to learn regarding the Pope. I guess with the ridiculous amount of useless, outdated and archaic rules that the church needlessly heaps upon the masses, why should they stop there.


science and society(not infallable) ...>>>>vox smirks at nye as angelic serephim surround voxs Being causing him to glow with smug satisfaction haveing once again proved his prowess in Catholic theology>>>>>>>>>>(:p) lol
LOL !!! Again, Vox, AGAIN, you've proven your superiority where semantics are concerned. I've never questioned your prowess concerning Catholic theology. In fact, I've COMPLIMENTED you on your prowess. << glow around Vox subsides significantly as Vox looks out the window and realizes that the clouds are now obscuring the sun, thus scientifically explaining the glow in the first place >>

P.S. -- Are you actually SEEING seraphim? You should get that checked out...
P.P.S -- In case you've repressed it, THE POPE SUPPORTS EVOLUTION...

[B.NyeTheUruk-Hai]

(jeez how many times do I have to make this distinction b4 it sinks in?)
and as far as lightening up...every time i try to joke people accuse me of evasiveness...i cant catch a break.
You're kidding, right? How many times do WE have to make the distinction that scription is NOT proof. Scripture is NOT fact. Scripture (and ANY other quotes or sayings whether it's Aquinas or anonymous) is simply the opinions, beliefs and philosophies of FALLIBLE human beings who lived in the DARK AGES (I know that I said I would stop using this term, but somebody else has already explained that my use of the term is valid). FACTS are proof. Quotes are NOT proof.
It's great when you joke around and we insult eachother, it helps to lighten things up around here. But you simply are NOT ANSWERING our questions. Thus the claims of being evasive.

P.S. -- The Pope SUPPORTS EVOLUTION...
P.P.S -- FACTS are proof. QUOTES are NOT proof...

[lotrfan55345]

Puuuuleese enlighten me........ Name one reason for sex other then reproduction.

Have you ever used any birth control devices. One namely being a latex thing called "a condom".

This argument is getting heated... I like it...

COVER YOUR EYES, ITS A GAY!
http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B0000E2LM4.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

[40oz]

Have you ever used any birth control devices. One namely being a latex thing called "a condom".

This argument is getting heated... I like it...

COVER YOUR EYES, ITS A GAY!
http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B0000E2LM4.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

So are you saying that condoms where available when modern man first started have sex? The only birth control available then was what? abstenance right.
Can monekies, lizards, or birds express mutual love and affection for one another? You people are arguing like children. lotrfan, you tried to throw your hat in the ring and missed. Quit while you can. Dutchie I meant in the thread when I said last post, you havent given me the answer needed to leave AO.

[voxpopulisuxx]

LOL !!! This is gold, baby, GOLD !!! Actually, I had to get out of my office desk chair at my clinic, adjust my tie, put down my bottle of water, wash my hands with disinfecting soap, see some patients and write some surgical referrals before getting back to my laptop to click the damn button. But you were close, oh so close! Ha ha! Gold!


It's good to see that you acknowledge the difference between truth and belief. We as a society are SCREWED the day that beliefs are unwillingly thrust upon us. And despite us poking fun at eachother, I respect your beliefs and harbor no desire to change them...


I will. Seems like an interesting topic. And, as always, it will be interesting to see a Catholic point of view on this problem.


Ummm, should somebody tell Vox that his own Pope supports evolution? And if he's not infallible with such a major subject as evolution, does that not mean that the Pope might, just might, be fallible in other areas as well? << typing furiously while watching science saving the Pope's life with a tracheotomy on CNN >> Man, there's an AWFUL lot of rules that we have to learn regarding the Pope. I guess with the ridiculous amount of useless, outdated and archaic rules that the church needlessly heaps upon the masses, why should they stop there.


LOL !!! Again, Vox, AGAIN, you've proven your superiority where semantics are concerned. I've never questioned your prowess concerning Catholic theology. In fact, I've COMPLIMENTED you on your prowess. << glow around Vox subsides significantly as Vox looks out the window and realizes that the clouds are now obscuring the sun, thus scientifically explaining the glow in the first place >>

P.S. -- Are you actually SEEING seraphim? You should get that checked out...
P.P.S -- In case you've repressed it, THE POPE SUPPORTS EVOLUTION...
lol very funny...your not a proctologist ru that would explain alot....any way
I dont care if John Paul supports evolution...that doesnt mean I have to....you guys cant have it both ways...you think catholics have to support everything the pope "supports' you dont get what Im trying to show you about Catholicism And another thing..Im not a FRIGGIN LUDDITE!......thats the Amish cult (did you know that the amish consider it a sin to use autos but they will pay the english(non-amish) to drive them around?)
I told you its actually not very complicated this doctrine of infallablity and Catholic's responsablity vis/vis Pope just get up take off that silly "MarthaStewart I Love you Pin" grab your mouse, put the pointer on the "catholic answers" thread and Ill answer the infallablity thing in depth....also check out my New thread called "Truth"

[B.NyeTheUruk-Hai]

Have you ever used any birth control devices. One namely being a latex thing called "a condom".

This argument is getting heated... I like it...

COVER YOUR EYES, ITS A GAY!
http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B0000E2LM4.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg


LOL !!! That is too funny !!!
Somebody should photoshop that image so that it says "Queer Eye for the VOX Guy", HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHHA !!!

P.S. -- The POPE SUPPORTS evolution, whether you think it's EVILution or not...
P.P.S. -- FACTS are proof. QUOTES, especially from the DARK AGES, are NOT proof...
P.P.P.S -- Turn on your television and put it on ANY channel (except a religious one) and you'll see ALL SORTS of people having sex without ANY intention of reproducing. Yeah, it's happening EVERYWHERE. You should try it. Question for 40oz -- Has EVERY SINGLE time that you and your wife had sex been for the SOLE purpose of reproduction? Be truthful now, thou shalt not lie...

[voxpopulisuxx]

LOL !!! That is too funny !!!
Somebody should photoshop that image so that it says "Queer Eye for the VOX Guy", HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHHA !!!

P.S. -- The POPE SUPPORTS evolution, whether you think it's EVILution or not...
P.P.S. -- FACTS are proof. QUOTES, especially from the DARK AGES, are NOT proof...
P.P.P.S -- Turn on your television and put it on ANY channel (except a religious one) and you'll see ALL SORTS of people having sex without ANY intention of reproducing. Yeah, it's happening EVERYWHERE. You should try it. Question for 40oz -- Has EVERY SINGLE time that you and your wife had sex been for the SOLE purpose of reproduction? Be truthful now, thou shalt not lie...
and thats why we have abortions by the millions, child abuse and infanticide on a shrp rise with no end in site, fatal incurable STDs, divorce and mayhem in the family at unprecidented rates, rape and sexual violence at unprecidented rates...yeah your right theres alot of sex for pleasure alone out there...and look at the wondurfull society we now have in its wake.

[B.NyeTheUruk-Hai]

So are you saying that condoms where available when modern man first started have sex?
Of course not, nobody said that. Congratulations on actually using a FACT by the way.


The only birth control available then was what? abstenance right.
Again, you're KIDDING, right? Please tell me that you're really not THAT naive! So you're saying that BEFORE the invention of condoms, EVERYBODY abstained from having sex UNLESS they intended to reproduce? NOBODY was having sex for the fun of it? You're just a TREASURE TROVE of naivete, 40oz! LOL !!!


Can monekies, lizards, or birds express mutual love and affection for one another?
No they can't. If you've actually been reading what's been said on this thread, you'd remember that I've already pointed out that Humans are the ONLY organisms on Earth (that we know of) that have sex just for pleasure and not always just for reproduction.


lotrfan, you tried to throw your hat in the ring and missed. Quit while you can.
Actually, he was BANG ON, and his example completely shoots your theory out of the water. Simple, but very elegant. WHY do you think that condoms EXIST? And they don't JUST exist, they SELL quite well, so people are BUYING them like crazy and USING them, myself having been one of those people in the past. The PURPOSE of a condom is to PREVENT a woman from getting pregnant during INTERCOURSE. 40oz, I know what you're thinking -- WHY would ANYONE want to have SEX if they don't intend to reproduce? Why, that's just UNNECESSARY! One might say that it's just spinning-pennies and jelly-fish! Condoms EXIST so that people CAN have sex WITHOUT creating a baby. I'm stunned that this LITERALLY has to be SPELLED out for you. And by the way, YOU'RE the one who should quit while you can because you're WRONG and you're very quickly becoming a gold mine of assinine quotes that would put the Iraqi Information Minister to shame...

Oh yeah, you AGAIN avoided a good and valid question. Let me re-ask it of you -- Have you EVER used a condom in your life? Well, have you?

P.S. -- The POPE SUPPORTS evolution, whether you think it's EVILution or not...
P.P.S. -- FACTS are proof. QUOTES, especially from the DARK AGES, are NOT proof...
P.P.P.S -- Condoms are to PREVENT making babies, thus facilitating non-reproductive sex...

[dutchie]

Dutchie I meant in the thread when I said last post, you havent given me the answer needed to leave AO.
What a charming way to bail out of your "decision".. Never mind - welcome back...

[B.NyeTheUruk-Hai]

lol very funny...your not a proctologist ru that would explain alot...
LOL! I'm glad that you appreciate my warped sense of humor! No, I'm not a proctologist, though that WOULD be pretty funny! I'm an eye doctor, so if you're still seeing that seraphim, I can help you with that...


I dont care if John Paul supports evolution...that doesnt mean I have to....you guys cant have it both ways...you think catholics have to support everything the pope "supports' you dont get what Im trying to show you about Catholicism
Fair enough. I'll give you that even though it's way too convenient that you can pick and choose whatever the Pope says and believe in his words or not. I'm sure you're already aware of this, but many people frown upon how you can pick and choose whatever you want to believe from the Bible. YOU may not do that personally, Vox, and I applaud you for it, but many Catholics do.


Im not a FRIGGIN LUDDITE!......thats the Amish cult (did you know that the amish consider it a sin to use autos but they will pay the english(non-amish) to drive them around?)
LUDDITE -- Great word! As a writer, I really appreciate the use of obscure words. Good stuff, Vox! And I did NOT know that about the Amish. Yeah, that's pretty ridiculous and hypocritical. Even though they're not DRIVING the car, they're still BENEFITTING from the technology. Barn-raising bastards...


get up take off that silly "MarthaStewart I Love you Pin" grab your mouse, put the pointer on the "catholic answers" thread and Ill answer the infallablity thing in depth....
Aaaawwww, no! Martha Stewart is a bitch! I have NO such pin! I may take you up on your infallibility thing but I think I understand where you're coming from -- the Pope is only infallible regarding things that are most important and fundamental to Catholics (ie- faith and morals). I will accept that I'll stop reminding you that the Pope supports evolution because you've apparently accepted that now. Good for you! You've realized that evolution doesn't necessarily mean that God didn't facilitate evolution himself, thus not contradicting your faith. You've opened your mind and now you're growing. Welcome to free thought...


also check out my New thread called "Truth"
I think that I will. Should be a blast...

[40oz]

What a charming way to bail out of your "decision".. Never mind - welcome back...

Your rebuttal is weak, I assure you i don't need to post anything to be fulfilled. Answer the question proper and I will keep my word.

[Keeblergiant]

Puuuuleese enlighten me........ Name one reason for sex other then reproduction.

More people have sex for pleasure than for reproduction.



So are you saying that condoms where available when modern man first started have sex? The only birth control available then was what? abstenance right.
Can monekies, lizards, or birds express mutual love and affection for one another?

People had sex for pleasure before condoms existed...that's where all of the unwanted kids back in the middle ages came from. Back in the middle ages wives used to cheat on their husbands and when they became pregnant they blamed it on demons who raped them in the night. Duuuuh. Oh, and animals have sex for pleasure too...we aren't the only animals where our highest concentration of nerve endings is reproductive organs.

[B.NyeTheUruk-Hai]

40oz :
You STILL haven't answered my question of whether you've ever used a condom before? Hello? Not gonna answer? Well, no need to now, the cricket chirping pretty much gives me my answer...

[40oz]

QUOTE from B.NyeTheUruk-Hai ::
Again, you're KIDDING, right? Please tell me that you're really not THAT naive! So you're saying that BEFORE the invention of condoms, EVERYBODY abstained from having sex UNLESS they intended to reproduce? NOBODY was having sex for the fun of it? You're just a TREASURE TROVE of naivete, 40oz! LOL !!! ::

For an eye doctor your not to bright, Let us (you and eye) re-examine this.
I said : The only birth control available then was what? abstinence right.

How can a person with a PHD argue with this? You do need a PHD to be an eye doctor right? OK, anyways you said :: QUOTE from B.NyeTheUruk-Hai :: Again, you're KIDDING, right? Please tell me that you're really not THAT naive! So you're saying that BEFORE the invention of condoms, EVERYBODY abstained from having sex UNLESS they intended to reproduce? NOBODY was having sex for the fun of it? You're just a TREASURE TROVE of naivete, 40oz! LOL !!! ::


NOPE! wrong doc, I didn't say everyone abstained form having sex, let us (you and eye) re-examine this. I said : The only birth control available then was what? abstinence right.

How can a person with a PHD argue with this? You do need a PHD to be an eye doctor right? OK, anyways you said :: QUOTE from B.NyeTheUruk-Hai :: Again, you're KIDDING, right? Please tell me that you're really not THAT naive! So you're saying that BEFORE the invention of condoms, EVERYBODY abstained from having sex UNLESS they intended to reproduce? NOBODY was having sex for the fun of it? You're just a TREASURE TROVE of naivete, 40oz! LOLA !!! ::

NOPE! wrong doc, I didn't say everyone abstained form having sex, let us (you and eye) re-examine this. I said : The only birth control available then was what? abstinence right.


** The circular motion of my posting was done intentionally in hopes if driving some smarts into the doc.

*** especially being that he is a professional health care provider.

**** I didn't realize the three stooges had a Medical University.

***** If in fact all Doctors do not need a PHD to practice medicine, I would suspect it would be eye Doctors that are exempt.

****** I dont know how to quote from snippits of post (because I aint got no phd) so I had to quote in this mannor.

[Keeblergiant]

Doctors don't need a Ph.D., but rather an M.D. Oh, and what was the point of your thread? Saying that the only form of birth control was abstinence proves nothing, people still had sex for fun.

[DontBeAfraid]

How can you talk about how bad child abuse is and how bad child poverty is and how bad unplanned families are while at the same time bashing condoms.....?

[B.NyeTheUruk-Hai]

You're REALLY the Iraqi Information Minister, right? Right?

Now, read this VERY SLOOOOOWLY so that it sinks in...

In YOUR argument that YOU brought up earlier, YOU said:
Quote:

There is no other reason in the world for the actual act of sex.
(I can cut and paste because I'm smarter than you. I'm NOT being sarcastic, it's a fact. It's an unfortunate side effect of inbreeding.)

MYSELF and SEVERAL other SMART people on this forum said:

BILLIONS of people are having sex today where their purpose is NOT to reproduce. The actual act of sex can be performed for the PURPOSE of expressing one's love toward another PERSON or strictly for the PURPOSE of having FUN and gaining PLEASURE.

Then lotrfan asked the very intelligent question of you:

Have you ever used any birth control devices. One namely being a latex thing called "a condom".
SIDE NOTE: 40oz did not actually answer said question because it would prove that he is a hypocrite that has moronically painted himself into a corner with a stupid argument.

YOU then BRILLIANTLY countered with:

So are you saying that condoms where available when modern man first started have sex? The only birth control available then was what? abstenance right.
SIDE NOTE: 40oz STILL did not actually answer the previously posed question because it would prove that he is a hypocrite that has moronically painted himself into a corner with a phenomenally stupid argument (probably because he doesn't have a PhD, according to him).

Because I've had to spell things out to you before, 40oz, I'm going to spell THIS one out for you too. YOUR statement above IMPLIES that people ONLY STARTED to have sex for FUN only AFTER condoms were invented. This IMPLIES (and when I say 'implies', I'm referring to what is in YOUR hilarious statement) that BEFORE the invention of condoms, people ONLY had sex to REPRODUCE because condoms did not exist to allow them to have sex JUST FOR FUN. To further elaborate on YOUR statement, BEFORE condoms were invented, you seem to be under the NAIVE impression that people ABSTAINED from SEX JUST FOR FUN because abstinance was the ONLY form of birth control. THEREFORE, YOUR VERY OWN statement NAIVELY implies that people DID NOT HAVE SEX JUST FOR FUN UNTIL AFTER condoms were invented. Now read that again. There ya go. Slowly... slowly... mouth the words if that helps. THEEEEEERE it is! I think he understands what HE typed. But we can't be too sure since he doesn't have a PhD. Ya, ya got it now, 40oz. YOU were the BRILLIANT moron who actually TYPED that hilarious 'rebuttal', if it even qualifies as that. Hear that laughter. Yeah, that's for you, 40oz. I TOLD you to quit while you could...

Now, back to the argument...

I further strengthened my case by saying:

WHY do you think that condoms EXIST? And they don't JUST exist, they SELL quite well, so people are BUYING them like crazy and USING them, myself having been one of those people in the past. The PURPOSE of a condom is to PREVENT a woman from getting pregnant during INTERCOURSE. 40oz, I know what you're thinking -- WHY would ANYONE want to have SEX if they don't intend to reproduce? Why, that's just UNNECESSARY! One might say that it's just spinning-pennies and jelly-fish! Condoms EXIST so that people CAN have sex WITHOUT creating a baby. I'm stunned that this LITERALLY has to be SPELLED out for you.
I'm still stunned that I had to spell that out for you, TWICE! LOL!

Keeblergiant then FURTHER strengthened the argument by adding:

More people have sex for pleasure than for reproduction.
You kind of get the feeling that the growing trend is that YOU are WRONG. Keep in mind that the original argument is that YOU said people ONLY have sex to REPRODUCE and WE said that people ALSO have sex for FUN. I'm only repeating this because it's embarrassingly obvious from your last post that it's very easy for you to lose your train of thought (when you have a Phd, that doesn't happen) and you like to take things out of context.
SIDE NOTE: 40oz STILL hasn't answered the question of whether he has personally used a condom in his lifetime because he is only now realizing how stupid he has been with his rather amusing 'argument'. Just in case he DOESN'T realize how he's painted himself into a corner (you know... because he doesn't have a PhD), it quite adequately exposes the deleterious effects of inbreeding.

Which leads me into your LAST entertaining post where you said:

The only birth control available then was what? abstinence right. How can a person with a PHD argue with this?
Wait for it... wait for it... theeeeere it is! 40oz suddenly realizes that B.NyeTheUruk-Hai was actually NOT disputing the fact that abstinence was correctly identified as the only form of birth control way back when by our well-educated 40oz (good for you, by the way!). Hold it... just wait a liiiiiiitle big longer... ah... ah... 40oz suddenly realizes, as warm urine soaks the crotch of his pants, that B.NyeTheUruk-Hai KNOWS and ACKNOWLEDGES that abstinence WAS INDEED the ONLY form of birth control way back when. Wait... yep... yeeeeahhh... 40oz's bowels loosen as a rush of epinephrine floods his bloodstream with the realization that 40oz mistakenly took B.NyeTheUruk-Hai's statement WAY OUT OF CONTEXT, thus realizing that his assinine attempts at ridicule REALLY should have been directed at 40oz. Sorry 'bout that. But that's what happens when you don't have a PhD...
SIDE NOTE: STILL hasn't answered the question about personal condom use.

And now for some icing on the cake. 40oz, change your underwear, dammit...

** The circular motion of my posting was done intentionally in hopes if driving some smarts into the doc.
*** especially being that he is a professional health care provider.
You should try to avoid using words like 'circular' and 'professional' because you may get an aneurysm...


**** I didn't realize the three stooges had a Medical University.
Yep, we learn how to effectively counter the double eye-poke...


***** If in fact all Doctors do not need a PHD to practice medicine, I would suspect it would be eye Doctors that are exempt.
Your knowledge knows no bounds does it? Is all of your knowledge based on such suspicion, like say... I don't know... religion?

SIDE NOTE: STILL hasn't answered the question about personal condom use.

LOL !!! That was TOO easy !!! 40oz, I almost feel bad revealing your stupidity... ALMOST. You REALLY should take your own advice and quit while you can. There are a LOT of smart people on this forum who can shoot you down in a hearbeat. And since you are NOT smart, you WILL get beaten down EVERY TIME by us. If for some reason you STILL are in the dark about why your argument has been laughed at by several people on this thread, then you TRULY are STUPID. I don't like to resort to calling people stupid, but YOU threw down the gauntlet. Somehow, though, I have a sneaking suspicion that you DO understand your critical error because YOU STILL HAVEN'T TOLD US WHETHER YOU'VE EVER PERSONALLY USED A CONDOM !!!

<< crickets chirping >>

[40oz]

Listen, it is more of a "play with words" with you. The male and female reproductive system have no other function then to make babies. Is it fun and loving and all that bs, YEP. What other tangent outcome is there from sex? Quit searching for bs reason and twisting my words. I am speaking literally and you are speaking martian. The abstenace statement is true, you cant deny it. I never said it was practiced, only true. We were not blessed enough to have your parents practice it. When I asked, "So are you saying that condoms where available when modern man first started have sex? The only birth control available then was what? abstenance right." You did realize that was in the form of a question so as to complie a rebuttle. Only a moron would think someone asked that from lack of knowledge. It used to be fun to debate here (after I left my lash out phase) know it is boring, and reduntant. Its like arguing with piece of fruit.

[40oz]

When did it become such a passion for you to know whether I have used a condom? How does that find its way into this debate? Oh I know, if I have used a condom then i had sex with the intent to not get my wife pregnant right? You are transparent. I sure have, I got 3 kids and don't want anymore. You do not comprehend what I said doc, let me reiterate. Sex is a function that was developed (from the creator) or if you like (through evolution) NOT to have a silly grin and an orgasm. Although those are benefits to the act, those benefits are there ONLY to get people to do it more! Can you smell my literalness? Before you diligently reply to this post about the fact that literalness is not a real word, It is doc.

[40oz]

Doctors don't need a Ph.D., but rather an M.D. Oh, and what was the point of your thread? Saying that the only form of birth control was abstinence proves nothing, people still had sex for fun.

This was never my argument, My argument was that homosexual behavior is wrong NOT only from a religious standpoint but should be wrong from a evolutionary standpoint as well, being that two males/females cannot reproduce, and therefore cannot contribute to your evolution. Yes people have sex "for fun" so do I. But like I said its fun and everything wonderful your little heart desires from a primitive origin. Am I speaking greek?


QUOTE is from B.Nyethe :: MYSELF and SEVERAL other SMART people on this forum said:

Is that your SMART posse? You and all the SMART ones said huh? If you and all THE SMART ones where so SMART how is it you cant understand what a pea brain such as myself is trying to say here? I am glad you are not my optometrist because I'm going cross eyed just from reading your bullshit.

[lotrfan55345]

This was never my argument, My argument was that homosexual behavior is wrong NOT only from a religious standpoint but should be wrong from a evolutionary standpoint as well, being that two males/females cannot reproduce, and therefore cannot contribute to your evolution.

People who don't have kids, should that be "wrong" too? Why should we have an increse in population, the world can only sustain 2-3billion sheeple, now we have 6.5 billion and it is on the rise.

Homosexuals not contributing to evolution? Everything in a human's environment contributes to it's genetic mutations/evolution. Homosexuality may be a PRODUCT OF EVOLUTION accodring to this article: http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn3008

... but it's up to you to call it a "genetic mutation" or "evolution".


T I am glad you are not my optometrist because I'm going cross eyed just from reading your bullshit.

Actually, it is just an old-wives tail that reading can cause vision imparement.


It used to be fun to debate here (after I left my lash out phase) know it is boring, and reduntant. Its like arguing with piece of fruit.

I wasn't aware you could converse with fruit, yet alone have a debate...

And this applies to ALL AO members?

[Keeblergiant]

This was never my argument, My argument was that homosexual behavior is wrong NOT only from a religious standpoint but should be wrong from a evolutionary standpoint as well, being that two males/females cannot reproduce, and therefore cannot contribute to your evolution. Yes people have sex "for fun" so do I. But like I said its fun and everything wonderful your little heart desires from a primitive origin. Am I speaking greek?

Evolution does not dictate what is right or wrong. Just because we evolved organs for a certain purpose does not mean that we can't use them for another reason. We developed houses for the purpose of living in...would you consider it wrong if somebody bought a house to use for his companies headquarters and then would you try and have the government tell the guy he can't do that? No, you wouldn't (well, actually I wouldn't put that type of stupidity past you).

[40oz]

Evolution does not dictate what is right or wrong. Just because we evolved organs for a certain purpose does not mean that we can't use them for another reason. We developed houses for the purpose of living in...would you consider it wrong if somebody bought a house to use for his companies headquarters and then would you try and have the government tell the guy he can't do that? No, you wouldn't (well, actually I wouldn't put that type of stupidity past you).

OMG your agreeing with me and in the very same breath still arguing?

QUOTE :: Just because we evolved organs for a certain purpose does not mean that we can't use them for another reason.??????????

Y o u a r e r e t a r d e d .

If we "evolved" (from your religion) organs for a certain purpose then how is what I have been saying so hard for you to understand? Do I need to go slower for you? Yet, you still try and salvage any argument left. There is none. I never said we cant use them for anything else, hell use yours for anything you want. I was stating why they were created. And if they were created FOR THAT purpose (reproduction) then any deviation from that coarse is unnatural. Sure masturbation is widespread to say the least, but it only demonstrates a lack of discipline. Since bnye has become infatuated with me and to cut it off before he asks I will also state that I never claimed to be the most disciplined person.

According to your profile you are to young to be senile keebler, but bipolar is close to being my diagnosis. What do ya think doc?

[Havoc Angel]

We can give anything any purpose we can imagine. That's the freedom of the human mind. Limiting the purpose of sexual organs to the original purpose of reproduction is rather simple-minded, reducing yourself to even something less than a animal, heh. Even some animals have sex for fun just go to the zoo and watch the chimps.

And by the way there have been means for birth control even before the invention of the modern rubber condom. One way is to limit the time you have sex to the infertile period of the female fertility cycle. Also early time 'condoms' made out of goat intestines were used during the middle ages and probably before. (i only remember them from the middle ages so i can't verify if they exist for even longer). And last abortion was used to get rid of unwanted pregnancies, using herbal concoctions.

Getting information on the matter usually helps forming a solid opinion.

[Bigsky770]

. . .Sitting-out this one upon my folding-chair on the sidelines, listening to "Coldplay", :band: drinking scotch and laughing hysterically as he reads. . . ::)):

yup, that's where we're at. . .

ah fug it. . .Joe (Bigsky770) :vbroll:

[dutchie]

Your rebuttal is weak, I assure you i don't need to post anything to be fulfilled. Answer the question proper and I will keep my word.
I already did, didn't you notice?!?

[voxpopulisuxx]

. . .Sitting-out this one upon my folding-chair on the sidelines, listening to "Coldplay", :band: drinking scotch and laughing hysterically as he reads. . . ::)):

yup, that's where we're at. . .

ah fug it. . .Joe (Bigsky770) :vbroll:
scotch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!????????
VODKA

[voxpopulisuxx]

COLDPLAY?zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
CITIZEN COPE!

[B.NyeTheUruk-Hai]

Boy, you REALLY ARE a glutton for punishment, 40oz ! LOL !!!

Just a reminder that the argument that you used against me was that I apparently 'said' that abstinence was NOT the only form of birth control way back when. I DID NOT say this. I worded my rebuttal as a question directed back at you in such a way as to ridicule YOUR amusing statement, but your unintentionally hilarious 'rebuttal' clearly indicated to ALL that sarcasm is a difficult concept for you to grasp.

Now that we've got that straight. Oh wait... wait a minute... juuuust a bit longer... THERE ya go. NOW you've got that straight!

I wanted to point out to you that, despite the fact that BOTH of us actually AGREED that abstinence was the only form of birth control way back when, IRONICALLY, Havoc Angel pointed out that we were BOTH WRONG about this. I've got big enough balls that I can admit when I'm wrong. Can you?

ALSO, despite the fact that SEVERAL SMART people on this forum have come out and said that there indeed ARE other purposes to having sex, you STILL are intent on arguing this FACT like a broken record (I assume that you're OLD enough to know what a record is) with retarded quotes like this one:

Sex is a function that was developed (from the creator) or if you like (through evolution) NOT to have a silly grin and an orgasm.
Please find me a quote in the Bible (please no quotes from any religious philosophers, I want a quote from THE source) that says "Thou shalt ONLY use thy pecker for reproductive purposes, or thou shalt be smited" or something along those lines. LOL! That should keep him busy for a while!


And if they were created FOR THAT purpose (reproduction) then any deviation from that coarse is unnatural.
I'm sorry to break it to you, 40oz, but the VAST majority (and I mean VAST) of people in this world of ours are having sex FOR FUN ONLY. Therefore, it IS natural.


According to your profile you are to young to be senile keebler, but bipolar is close to being my diagnosis. What do ya think doc?
I think that your diagnosis would be more aptly used to describe YOUR condition...


Its like arguing with piece of fruit.
My diagnosis is reinforced...


Oh I know, if I have used a condom then i had sex with the intent to not get my wife pregnant right? You are transparent. I sure have,
Theeeeere ya go! Can you say 'hypocrite', boys and girls? I KNEW you could...


Can you smell my literalness?
Yes I can. And I can smell a WHOLE LOT of something else emanating from you also...
Literalness? Congratulations on successfully using a big word...


I am glad you are not my optometrist because I'm going cross eyed just from reading your bullshit.
I'm ECSTATIC that I'm not your optometrist! Although I don't know if I can go on with my practice knowing that you'll never be my patient. I'm sad now...

And to conclude, lotrfan said this in response to your sudden onset of cross-eyes:

Actually, it is just an old-wives tail that reading can cause vision imparement.
lotrfan is correct with this statement, but I would like to further elaborate on it by saying that, traditionally, it is excessive masturbation that causes the cross-eyes...

All too easy...

[B.NyeTheUruk-Hai]

. . .Sitting-out this one upon my folding-chair on the sidelines, listening to "Coldplay", drinking scotch and laughing hysterically as he reads. . .
LOL ! I'm glad that you're enjoying the thread! If 40oz is the masochist that I suspect that he is, then there will be more in the very near future. Feel free to join in!
Coldplay, good taste in music!

[voxpopulisuxx]

LOL ! I'm glad that you're enjoying the thread! If 40oz is the masochist that I suspect that he is, then there will be more in the very near future. Feel free to join in!
Coldplay, good taste in music!
cold play is sooo last year....

[40oz]

I tire of you.

QUOTE :: I'm sorry to break it to you, 40oz, but the VAST majority (and I mean VAST) of people in this world of ours are having sex FOR FUN ONLY. Therefore, it IS natural::

If you can use this as an argument then I can use the VAST majority (AND I MEAN VAST) of people in this world believe in a higher presence, Therefore it is true.

Believe it or not, I do apologize for anything I may have said to offend you or anyone, but I am right. My next post will be a general post addressing the "topic" and not induviduals. It is more trouble then its worth.

[B.NyeTheUruk-Hai]

cold play is sooo last year....
Yeah, but I still like them though...
Has anybody heard that dub that somebody made where they overlapped the new Sum41 song with an older Coldplay song (can't remember the title) and they sound almost IDENTICAL? It's really amazing...

[Keeblergiant]

And if they were created FOR THAT purpose (reproduction) then any deviation from that coarse is unnatural. Sure masturbation is widespread to say the least, but it only demonstrates a lack of discipline.

First of all, unnatural does not mean the same as wrong. You were saying that homosexuality is wrong because we developed our reproductive organs to reproduce, so having sex with someone who you cannot mate with is thus unnatural. However, even if it is unnatural that does not make it wrong. And another thing, there is statistical significant evidence that homosexuality is partially genetic, which would put a natural reason behind it and it would thus be natural. You have no argument, shut the fuck up.

[Keeblergiant]

Haha, I just got the greatest email ever. Check this out:



Dear President Bush,
> Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's law. I
>have learned a great deal from you and understand why you would propose and
>support a constitutional amendment banning same-sex marriage. As you
>said, "In the eyes of God, marriage is between a man a woman." I try to
>share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to
>defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that
>Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination . . . end of debate.
>
>
>I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some other elements of
>God's laws and how to follow them:
>
>
>1. Leviticus 25:44 states that I may possess slaves, both male and female,
>provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine
>claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify?
>Why can't I own Canadians?
>
>
>2. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus
>21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?
>
>
>3. I know that a man is allowed no contact with a woman while she is in
>her period of menstrual uncleanness--Leviticus 15:19-24. The problem is,
>most women take offense when they're asked if they're unclean.
>
>
>
>4. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a
>pleasing odor for the Lord--Leviticus 1:9. The problem is my neighbors. They
>claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?
>
>
>5. I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2
>clearly states that he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to
>kill him myself, or should I ask the police to do it?
>
>
> 6. A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an
>abomination (Leviticus 11:10), it is a lesser abomination than
>homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this? Are there degrees of
>abomination?
>
>
>7. Leviticus 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I
>have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does
>my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?
>
>
> 8. Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair
>around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Leviticus
>19:27. How should they die?
>
>
>9. I know from Leviticus 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes
>me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?
>
>
> 10. My uncle has a farm. He violates Leviticus 19:19 by planting two
>different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made
>of two different kinds of thread (cotton-polyester blend). He also tends to
>curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the
>trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them (Leviticus
>24:10-16)? Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair,
>as we do with people who sleep with their in-laws (Leviticus
>20:14)?
>
>
>I know you have studied these things extensively and thus enjoy
>considerable expertise in such matters, so I am confident you can help.
>
>
>Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging.

[B.NyeTheUruk-Hai]

I tire of you.
How long did it take for you to come up with that witty retort? LOL !!!


QUOTE :: I'm sorry to break it to you, 40oz, but the VAST majority (and I mean VAST) of people in this world of ours are having sex FOR FUN ONLY. Therefore, it IS natural:: If you can use this as an argument then I can use the VAST majority (AND I MEAN VAST) of people in this world believe in a higher presence, Therefore it is true.
Ummm, I said NATURAL, NOT 'true'. Read more slowly next time and mouth the words if that will help.


Believe it or not, I do apologize for anything I may have said to offend you or anyone, but I am right.
Apology accepted, and I apologize as well if I offended you. But pretty much EVERYBODY on this thread thinks that you're WRONG. Just look at pretty much EVERY post on this thread except for the ones posted by some guy calling himself 40oz. Be a man and accept it...

[B.NyeTheUruk-Hai]

Haha, I just got the greatest email ever. Check this out:

LOL !!! I got a hernia from laughing so hard !!!

That is simply PRICELESS !!!
I'm going to e-mail that to all of my friends! I especially appreciated the 20/20 vision one!

[B.NyeTheUruk-Hai]

Oh yeah, I forgot to add this one earlier.

The male and female reproductive system have no other function then to make babies. Is it fun and loving and all that bs, YEP. What other tangent outcome is there from sex?
You get to smoke in bed...

Shoulda quit while you could, 40oz...

[B.NyeTheUruk-Hai]

Just in case somebody is still reading this thread, I just saw this on CNN.com:

http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/03/15/gay.marriage.ap/index.html

Funny how the article compares the gay-marriage issues of today with the 1948 state Supreme Court decision that made California the first state to legalize interracial marriage. Kind of puts things into perspective. Hopefully, those opposed to gay marriage can look at this comparison and realize how stupid they're being...

[voxpopulisuxx]

Just in case somebody is still reading this thread, I just saw this on CNN.com:

http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/03/15/gay.marriage.ap/index.html

Funny how the article compares the gay-marriage issues of today with the 1948 state Supreme Court decision that made California the first state to legalize interracial marriage. Kind of puts things into perspective. Hopefully, those opposed to gay marriage can look at this comparison and realize how stupid they're being...
nye casts line with big beefy worm on it................"SPLASH" comes vox a snapping like a large mouth bass.......

There will never be consensus on this issue because the opposing sides have completely different reference points.

There is NO conclusive evidence the desire for a man to have sex with another man is born in him...NONE (same goes woman)
There is plenty of conclusive evidence that people of any skin color are all born that way....to compare the two things ....race.....and the private activity of individuals .....is to compare icbergs with molten lead....

[Constantinos Smith]

NO NO NO! Keep them out of here, all gays, marry somewhere else, that's what Canada is for. :ban: Gay Marraige already. please do don't make me puke my guts out, PLEASE! for the love of god! spare us straight and slightly homophobic people.

[Keeblergiant]

NO NO NO! Keep them out of here, all gays, marry somewhere else, that's what Canada is for. Gay Marraige already. please do don't make me puke my guts out, PLEASE! for the love of god! spare us straight and slightly homophobic people.

"NO NO NO! Keep gays out of America...I'm a homophobic biggot who has no compassion for other people and their rights. I'm so selfish that I don't care about anyone or anything unless it fits into my perfect little Christian worldview. God hates fags...jeesh, didn't you guys know that? Ugh, I guess I'm done ranting now excuse me while I go dress up as an alter boy so the local Catholic priest can fuck my brains out and no one will suspect that I'm slightly gay."

[B.NyeTheUruk-Hai]

There will never be consensus on this issue because the opposing sides have completely different reference points.
True. But these forums would be pretty boring if we all agreed on everything!


There is NO conclusive evidence the desire for a man to have sex with another man is born in him...NONE (same goes woman)
There is plenty of conclusive evidence that people of any skin color are all born that way....to compare the two things ....race.....and the private activity of individuals .....is to compare icbergs with molten lead....
From the point of view that you've mentioned, YES, you're correct in saying that it's not a good comparison. But I was just pointing out the similarities from a sociological standpoint. In hindsight, today's society looks at 1948 and shakes its head at our naivete. Fifty years from now, future generations will look back at NOW and similarly shake their heads because gay marriage will be an accepted non-issue by then...


There is plenty of conclusive evidence that people of any skin color are all born that way...
AaaaHaaaa !!! I'VE GOT YOU THERE !!! Okay, Mr. Smarty Pants, then how do you explain Michael Jackson ?!?!?!?!

[voxpopulisuxx]

True. But these forums would be pretty boring if we all agreed on everything!


From the point of view that you've mentioned, YES, you're correct in saying that it's not a good comparison. But I was just pointing out the similarities from a sociological standpoint. In hindsight, today's society looks at 1948 and shakes its head at our naivete. Fifty years from now, future generations will look back at NOW and similarly shake their heads because gay marriage will be an accepted non-issue by then...


AaaaHaaaa !!! I'VE GOT YOU THERE !!! Okay, Mr. Smarty Pants, then how do you explain Michael Jackson ?!?!?!?!
2 words...white chick.

[lotrfan55345]

There is NO conclusive evidence the desire for a man to have sex with another man is born in him...NONE (same goes woman)

No?

http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn3008

Do you think that this is some liberal propaganda psuedo-scientist who wrote/reasarerched that homosexuality is indeed biological?


Fifty years from now, future generations will look back at NOW and similarly shake their heads because gay marriage will be an accepted non-issue by then...

I hope so!

[voxpopulisuxx]

No?

http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn3008

Do you think that this is some liberal propaganda psuedo-scientist who wrote/reasarerched that homosexuality is indeed biological?



I hope so!
You guys are just reading into things what you want to read....please explain to me at what Biological level besides both being mammals, humans and Sheep are even comparable! This study is not conclusive even by the scientists own admission:

"But Larkin suggests there may also be the influence of genes at work, at least in predisposing the animals to homosexuality. This is because selective breeding seems to have been responsible for the high proportion of gay sheep compared with other animals."
Human beings are sui generis, sheep are common domestically BRED farm animals.
Like comparing Gold to lead


NOT CONCLUSIVE ! My position stands.

[lotrfan55345]

NOT CONCLUSIVE ! My position stands.
You know, all it took was a simple google/google news search, I didnt even have to dig around...

http://allpsych.com/journal/homosexuality.html
http://www.narth.com/docs/bioresearch.html
http://www.fridae.com/newsfeatures/article.php?articleid=582&viewarticle=1&searchtype=all
http://www.fsw.ucalgary.ca/ramsay/gay-lesbian-bisexual/4a-genetic-biology-gay.htm
http://www.betterhumans.com/News/news.aspx?articleID=2005-01-27-3
http://www.boston.com/yourlife/health/other/articles/2003/12/02/the_biological_basis_of_homosexuality/
http://serendip.brynmawr.edu/bb/neuro/neuro01/web1/Rana.html

... but biological and/or environmental, all of these seem to show that it is NOT a choice...

[voxpopulisuxx]

Sorry these are all assertions of theorys, but not conclusive. Nor can they be considered objective...as they are Homosodomitic activist pages.

[voxpopulisuxx]

why not assert Geo centricity?
There are scientific studies suggesting the geocentric solar system. Does that mean its conclusive?
http://www.geocentricity.com/

Papers Proving that there is no Physical Difference Between the Geocentric Model and the Modern Heliocentric View
Barbour and Bertotti, 1977. Il Nuovo Cimento B, 38, 1.

Brown, G. B., 1955. Proceedings of the Phys. Soc. B, 68:672.

Thirring, H., 1916. Phys. Z. 19:33.

Lense, J. & Thirring, H., 1921, Ibid. 22:29.

Gerber, P., 1898. Zeitschr. f. Math. u. Physik, 43:93.

Møller, C., 1952. The Theory of Relativity, (Oxford: Clarendon Press), pp. 318-321.

Moon, P. & Spencer, D. E., 1959. Philos. of Science, 26:125.

Rosser, W. G. V., 1964. An Intro. to the Theory of Relativity, (London: Butterworths), p. 460.

These papers just scratch the surface. They led Sir Fred Hoyle, who was knighted for his cosmological expertise, to say:
"We know that the difference between a heliocentric theory and a geocentric theory is one of relative motion only, and that such a difference has no physical significance."

I mean if this science is dubious so is your Gay gene claptrap

[lotrfan55345]

I mean if this science is dubious so is your Gay gene claptrap

I hope your being satiric.

If I follow your logic...
You know what, the catholic church once said that the earth was flat, and the universe revolved around it.
Since thats not true, ALL RELIGIONS ARE NOT TRUE.

And also, are you denying the existence of genes/DNA? Do you think they are the work of the devil?


Sorry these are all assertions of theorys, but not conclusive. Nor can they be considered objective...as they are Homosodomitic activist pages.

Guess what, gravity is also a theory! But if you ask most people, they will think it is pretty conclusive/true!

[B.NyeTheUruk-Hai]

Sorry these are all assertions of theorys, but not conclusive.
If only these theories had the same conclusive evidence that the God-existence theories have! Sorry to be sarcastic, Vox, but you have to admit that you're being hypocritical by denying a theory based on lack of scientific evidence while at the same time IGNORING the lack of scientific evidence concerning whether God exists. Using the same logic that you applied to the gay-theory SHOULD have led you to the conclusion that there is no God. You can't have it both ways...

[voxpopulisuxx]

I hope your being satiric.

If I follow your logic...
You know what, the catholic church once said that the earth was flat, and the universe revolved around it.
Since thats not true, ALL RELIGIONS ARE NOT TRUE.

And also, are you denying the existence of genes/DNA? Do you think they are the work of the devil?



Guess what, gravity is also a theory! But if you ask most people, they will think it is pretty conclusive/true!
I belive genes are the blueprint of God...the information in Genetics proves a creator, because nature does not create information, it can only pass it on or reconfigure what it already has... or deminish information.. Genes are a masterwork of God.
But theres no such thing as a gene that makes you think an anus is a vagina.

[voxpopulisuxx]

I dont need the God of the Bible to show me theres no such thing as a Gene that makes you think a mouth or an anus is a vagina...sorry to be gross but thats the blunt end of it. Its just common sense. Science has proven CONCLUSIVELY that Men's penises are made foe womens vaginas...the two are made for each other lol!

[DontBeAfraid]

but there are genes that make people attracted to things OTHER than vaginas.....

What are hermaphrodytes(sp) attracted to vox?

[lotrfan55345]

But theres no such thing as a gene that makes you think an anus is a vagina.

And what evidence is there for this?

Also, usually the body is what people are sexually atracted to at first sight, not the sexual organ(s).


I belive genes are the blueprint of God...the information in Genetics proves a creator, because nature does not create information, it can only pass it on or reconfigure what it already has... or deminish information.. Genes are a masterwork of God.

If you think nature can reconfigure all the information, that would be like creating as there are an almost infinite amount of "information" in the kajillion dna/rna of all bioligical organisms on the planet/universe.


Science has proven CONCLUSIVELY that Men's penises are made foe womens vaginas...the two are made for each other lol!

The MAJORITY of sexual acts with a penis is hand-to-penis ocntact? Is that wrong? Or do you just hate gay acts?


dont need the God of the Bible to show me theres no such thing as a Gene that makes you think a mouth or an anus is a vagina

Most straight couples take part in blowjobs too, is that ok but if its a guy its not?

[voxpopulisuxx]

And what evidence is there for this?

Also, usually the body is what people are sexually atracted to at first sight, not the sexual organ(s).



If you think nature can reconfigure all the information, that would be like creating as there are an almost infinite amount of "information" in the kajillion dna/rna of all bioligical organisms on the planet/universe.



The MAJORITY of sexual acts with a penis is hand-to-penis ocntact? Is that wrong? Or do you just hate gay acts?



Most straight couples take part in blowjobs too, is that ok but if its a guy its not?
you seem really obsessed by the masterbation thing...and I don't belive any of that is right...but thats not the point...the point is its NOT genetics that causes thos activities..its just plain old lust...as to the genetic info...yes Nature can reconfigure the information in infinite ways...how ever...it must first have the info to reconfigure!

[voxpopulisuxx]

but there are genes that make people attracted to things OTHER than vaginas.....

What are hermaphrodytes(sp) attracted to vox?
worms?
Are you talking firiggin worms here? Do you have to go down to the level of worms to support your devient sexual theorys? Sick,sicker sickest

[DontBeAfraid]

where did worms come from? Im talking about people born with both make and female sexual organs.

[voxpopulisuxx]

that is genetic mutation, and still doesnt lead to thinking an anus is a vagina.

[DontBeAfraid]

So what are they attracted to vox? Boys or girls? People arent attracted to a persons penis or vagina.... people are attracted to the whole of a person as lotr has stated. I like girls but not fatties. So what would a person born with both sexual organs be attracted to?

[lotrfan55345]

you seem really obsessed by the masterbation thing...and I don't belive any of that is right...but thats not the point...the point is its NOT genetics that causes thos activities..its just plain old lust...as to the genetic info...yes Nature can reconfigure the information in infinite ways...how ever...it must first have the info to reconfigure!

Oooh yeah I'm obsessed all right...

It IS genetics that causes these activities. It is hard-wired to most (all?) organisms that sexually-reproduce to get pleasure from sexual organs as much as possible.

[voxpopulisuxx]

thats just the point! an anus isnt a sexual organ, nor is a hand or mouth...

[DontBeAfraid]

no they are not.... but they can be used to stimulate the sexual organs. go ahead... touch it.... and when you are done answer my question.

[B.NyeTheUruk-Hai]

Science has proven CONCLUSIVELY that Men's penises are made foe womens vaginas...the two are made for each other lol!
Ironically, a penis fits more naturally into a vagina in the doggy-style position. But somebody in the church decided that the missionary position is more moral despite the fact that the penis-vagina fit is awkward.

[Bigsky770]

. . .(pardon the pun). . .


Originally posted by B.NyeTheUruk-Hai
But somebody in the church decided that the missionary position is more moral despite the fact that the penis-vagina fit is awkward.

"Sister Mary-Margaret & Sister Ann, Father Thomas is writing an important doctrinal piece on "Pro-Creation" and he needs your assistance. This may take many weeks to months of work and he has set-forth the requirements that you will not be disturbed as a quiet, secluded section of the monastery has been set-aside for this, which must be ready for the Holy-Father within the year. As you are the youngest and most able-bodied of the Sisters' within our order, He has requested". . . :grin

:2thumbs: Way to go, Fr. Tom! (who gets to be the "Head Mistress?")

Ah well. . .Joe (Bigsky770):vbroll:

[lotrfan55345]

thats just the point! an anus isnt a sexual organ, nor is a hand or mouth...

You know how many nerve endings that can sense plesure there are in your rectrum? Not to mention at the end of the tube is your prostate gland! It is said that the most powerful orgasms result from anal sex!

[voxpopulisuxx]

You know how many nerve endings that can sense plesure there are in your rectrum? Not to mention at the end of the tube is your prostate gland! It is said that the most powerful orgasms result from anal sex!
the point of sex isnt orgasm but procreation.
Orgasm is simply a happy incidense of sexual congress....if the point is simply pleasure then smoking dope or getting drunk would be sex...to use an extream example.
Sex by its definition has only to do with procreation. the stimulation of orgasm is only a mere result of "pushing certain buttons"

[Keeblergiant]

the point of sex isnt orgasm but procreation.

Who says? Alot more people have sex for pleasure than for procreation...



Orgasm is simply a happy incidense of sexual congress....if the point is simply pleasure then smoking dope or getting drunk would be sex...to use an extream example.

The dictionary defines sex as "the sexual urge or instinct as it manifests itself in behavior," and it defines sexual as "implying or symbolizing erotic desires or activity." It, in no way, says that you have to be trying to procreate to be having sex.

[DontBeAfraid]

Or are you saying a blowjob isnt sex? Do your children feel the same way?

[voxpopulisuxx]

do me a favor...dont ever mention my children in anyway or form. This is your first and final warning in this regard.

[voxpopulisuxx]

Who says? Alot more people have sex for pleasure than for procreation...



The dictionary defines sex as "the sexual urge or instinct as it manifests itself in behavior," and it defines sexual as "implying or symbolizing erotic desires or activity." It, in no way, says that you have to be trying to procreate to be having sex.
Is the dictonary infallable scripture? Dictonarys are written by many....the real definition is the one that uses the root words, original language, and origins of the words in question. At least for people who take etymology seriously.
websters defines sex:
Etymology: Middle English, from Latin sexus
1 : either of the two major forms of individuals that occur in many species and that are distinguished respectively as female or male
2 : the sum of the structural, functional, and behavioral characteristics of living things that are involved in reproduction by two interacting parents and that distinguish males and females
Main Entry: gen·i·ta·lia
Pronunciation: "je-n&-'tAl-y&
Function: noun plural
Etymology: Latin, from neuter plural of genitalis
: the organs of the reproductive system; especially : the external genital organs So according to websters the anus is not genetalia.
It seems I have to clarify my terms: two men masterbating each other, using whatever orifice or technique they wish to employ is NOT Coitus
Main Entry: co·i·tus
Pronunciation: 'kO-&-t&s, kO-'E-, 'koi-t&s
Function: noun
Etymology: Latin, from coire
: physical union of male and female genitalia accompanied by rhythmic movements usually leading to the ejaculation of semen from the penis into the female reproductive tract.
http://www.m-w.com/ (websters online)

[DontBeAfraid]

My question wasnt derogatory..... answer it. You dont have to answer the second part if you dont want to.... however if you dont I will assume what I will assume.

[voxpopulisuxx]

My question wasnt derogatory..... answer it. You dont have to answer the second part if you dont want to.... however if you dont I will assume what I will assume.
lets be clear
My children are off limits...if you cross that limit...it wont matter what ever else you wish to discuss.....comprendei? kerstanzi? Capice?
Its bad enough you drag my Lord through your shite, But my children arent a matter of faith, you cant deny their existance and therefore trash them or drag them into a debate that has nothing to do with them...so my warning stands....you may rephrase your question if you wish. But untill you do your previous query will stand unrecognised, as will your foul assumptions about someones kids. :ban:
and just for the record Im not hating you, or saying we cant converse...Im just letting you know about a boundry I have and I hold ZEALOUSLY
Main Entry: zeal
Pronunciation: 'zE(&)l
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English zele, from Late Latin zelus, from Greek zElos
: eagerness and ardent interest in pursuit of something

[DontBeAfraid]

I made no assumptions about your kids. Ill spell it out for you if I must. I was making the point that you do believe blowjobs to be sex. How? By reminding you that if your kids were out performing and/or receiving oral sex you would want them to recognize that they are in fact performing sexual acts and should not treat them lightly. For the record you mentioned your kids first, in reference to your suicide beliefs.

If you are somehow offended by this post then put me on ignore....

[voxpopulisuxx]

I made no assumptions about your kids. Ill spell it out for you if I must. I was making the point that you do believe blowjobs to be sex. How? By reminding you that if your kids were out performing and/or receiving oral sex you would want them to recognize that they are in fact performing sexual acts and should not treat them lightly. For the record you mentioned your kids first, in reference to your suicide beliefs.

If you are somehow offended by this post then put me on ignore....
fine your ignored.

[VegasRonin]

Can't even read the thread in its entirety as I was lost in the opening statement by this question.
Why try to fight against something that is firmly entrenched in today's society? Does the scope of that question raise anyone else's eyebrows? So if something is problematic or entrenched in society, why fight it? Anti-Semitism was firmly entrenched in Germany, uh I think they should have fought it. Racism was firmly entrenched here in America not too long ago, and we did fight it (Ongoing but a lot better). Modern day Gangsta Hip Hop is firmly entrenched in today's society, I don't fight it but it sucks! LOL! My point is, somethings aren't cool no matter how accepted i.e, Slavery, Female circumcision, civil rights abuses, prejudice, and suicide bombings. :smokin:

[DontBeAfraid]

I was tired of vox dodging all my questions anyways. He truely is the stereotypical chistian fundie. Weak mind, weaker character.

[voxpopulisuxx]

Can't even read the thread in its entirety as I was lost in the opening statement by this question. Does the scope of that question raise anyone else's eyebrows? So if something is problematic or entrenched in society, why fight it? Anti-Semitism was firmly entrenched in Germany, uh I think they should have fought it. Racism was firmly entrenched here in America not too long ago, and we did fight it (Ongoing but a lot better). Modern day Gangsta Hip Hop is firmly entrenched in today's society, I don't fight it but it sucks! LOL! My point is, somethings aren't cool no matter how accepted i.e, Slavery, Female circumcision, civil rights abuses, prejudice, and suicide bombings. :smokin:
Ronin you have my full agreement and attention
well said!

[lotrfan55345]

drag my Lord through your shite

Then why do you even go on this forum if you don't want "your" lord to be dragged through our excrements?

You know a place that you would feel RIGHT at home?
True Christians Unite (reffered as TCU on this forum)
http://p203.ezboard.com/ftruechristiansunitefrm1


Ronin you have my full agreement and attention

So... why do you still dislike gay people?

[VegasRonin]

So... why do you still dislike gay people? LOL! Almost sounds like you're insinuating that I'm gay lotr? You know that I'm not right? :Bott:

[lotrfan55345]

LOL! Almost sounds like you're insinuating that I'm gay lotr? You know that I'm not right? :Bott:

Lol, yes i do know you are a heterosexual, judging from your comments and pics.

[B.NyeTheUruk-Hai]

Is the dictonary infallable scripture? Dictonarys are written by many....
I hate to keep harping on this, Vox, but there you go again using arguments that can easily be used against you. Yes, dictionaries are written by many, but so is the Bible! Using your logic, you've just said that scripture is infallable while, in the same breath, also implied indirectly that it is fallable. I commend your unwavering faith, but I'm amazed that you consider scripture to be infallable simply because you are told to believe it. I've said it before, you're articulate with your words which reveals you to be an intelligent guy, so why do you completely abandon logic?


Does the scope of that question raise anyone else's eyebrows? So if something is problematic or entrenched in society, why fight it? Anti-Semitism was firmly entrenched in Germany, uh I think they should have fought it. Racism was firmly entrenched here in America not too long ago, and we did fight it (Ongoing but a lot better). Modern day Gangsta Hip Hop is firmly entrenched in today's society, I don't fight it but it sucks! LOL! My point is, somethings aren't cool no matter how accepted i.e, Slavery, Female circumcision, civil rights abuses, prejudice, and suicide bombings.
Yeah, Hip-Hop really sucks. It's a good example of one of the drawbacks of being tolerant. And FEMALE CIRCUMCISION? What the...?!?!?!


True Christians Unite (reffered as TCU on this forum)
http://p203.ezboard.com/ftruechristiansunitefrm1
That's pretty funny stuff, especially the "disclaimer" to non-believers! I clicked on one of the links and came across the MessiahCam! I hope that whoever is watching the cam has alot of patience...

[voxpopulisuxx]

nye, I knew very well that this argument would be used against me, because I was pointing out that this person was using the dictionary the way a christian uses the bible, as a matter of faith.....make no mistake nye, I choose my words carefully for the most part, but its good your paying attention, I dont believe the bible just because just anybody told me to belive it, I wouldnt belive it if pat robertson or George Bush told me to believe the bible, I belive it because the Catholic Church told me its belivable.St Augustine said he would not hold the bible True had not the Catholic Church said it was true. I concur with that great Mind...as I said in other threads...and no one accuses Augustine of being stupid, and since He and I hold the same position vis/vis the AUthority of the Bible in my life...I dont find my position illogical at all.
back 2 u friend
ps if I went to that website posted above, and said I was catholic.....man you guys would love the fireworks!
first thing I d ask which came first the bible or the church, then all kinds bible banging would start! lol Troll fight!

[Bard_of_Ages]

do me a favor...dont ever mention my children in anyway or form. This is your first and final warning in this regard.

I'm sorry, vox.... I have to tell you, I literally laughed out loud at that one. Honestly, warning for what? It sounds like you plan to magically emerge from the computer screen and deck this guy.

[DontBeAfraid]

I bet his kids are gay.... thats why he is so defensive.

mods, if you must mod this can you leave the first and second sentences?

[dutchie]

Just because Vox is an "orthodox" (euphemism for fundamentalist) catholic, that's no reason to say anything offensive (in his mind) about his kids.

He made it quite clear that this is going too far for him, and I agree.

[B.NyeTheUruk-Hai]

I dont believe the bible just because just anybody told me to belive it, I wouldnt belive it if pat robertson or George Bush told me to believe the bible, I belive it because the Catholic Church told me its belivable.
If I were you, I wouldn't believe ANYTHING that George Dubya tells you. Now, on to my rebuttal. Again, I commend you for your unwavering faith despite the intense scrutiny that myself and other atheists are putting you and your faith through. I'll never understand your faith in a Catholic Church that had such brutal beginnings. Here is some information for you quoted from a book that talks about the "greatest cover-up in history" which refers to how early Literalist Christianity systematically wiped out all of the other forms of Christianity that existed within the first few centuries after Christ:

One of the major players in this cover-up operation was a character called Eusebius who, at the beginning of the fourth century, compiled from legends, fabrications, and his own imagination the only early history of Christianity that still exists today. All subsequent histories have been forced to base themselves on Eusebius's dubious claims, because there has been little other information to draw on. All those with a different perspective on Christianity were branded as heretics and eradicated. In this way falsehoods compiled in the fourth century have come down to us as established facts.
Eusebius was employed by the Roman Emperor Constantine, who made Christianity the state religion of the Empire and gave Literalist Christianity the power it needed to begin the final eradication of Paganism and Gnosticism. Constantinie wanted "one God, one religion" to consolidate his claim of "one Empire, one Emperor". He oversaw th ecreation of the Nicene creed, the article of faith repeated in churches to this day and Christians who refused to assent to this creed were banished from the Empire or otherwise silenced.
This "Christian" Emperor then returned home from Nicaea and had his wife suffocated and his son murdered. He deliberately remained un-baptized until his deathbed so that he could continue his atrocities and still receive forgiveness of sins and a guaranteed place in heaven by being baptized at the last moment. Although he had his "spin doctor" Eusebius compose a suitably obsequious biography for him, he was actually a monster just like man Roman Emperors before him. Is it really at all surprising that a "history" of the origins of Christianity created by an employee in the service of a Roman tyrant should turn out to be a pack of lies?
History is indeed written by the victors. The creation of an appropriate history has always been part of the arsenal of political manipulation.

So it appears as though much of the content that was chosen to make up the New Testament was chosen by an unscrupulous character under the employ or a vicious tyrant. Does this not bother you?

[DontBeAfraid]

I knew dutchie.... But he cut me off before I actually said anything offensive about his kids... So I wanted to give the event something solid.

Thanks for leaving what you did.

[voxpopulisuxx]

what bothers me is you didnt site the source of this glorius fiction. Come on nye how am I gonna do my magic if I cant reveiw your sources?
LOL

[voxpopulisuxx]

Then why do you even go on this forum if you don't want "your" lord to be dragged through our excrements?

You know a place that you would feel RIGHT at home?
True Christians Unite (reffered as TCU on this forum)
http://p203.ezboard.com/ftruechristiansunitefrm1



So... why do you still dislike gay people?
I said its bad enough to do this...what I wont countanence is someone making foul sexual assertions about my children! (my oldest child is 13!) like dba who is now persona non grata by his own choice.
And I enrolled in that site! after you posted this....Ill drive those folks just as nuts as I drive you guys...but for different reasons.

[lotrfan55345]

..Ill drive those folks just as nuts as I drive you guys...b

Not to be mean or anything like that but you did not drive this site nuts. It was more of a tickle. There have been plenty of other characters in the past that trolled much more than you.

[DontBeAfraid]

What sexual assertions? I pointed out that he would not want his children to think getting/giving a blowjob is not sex. How is that foul? If anything its wholesome. Vox is a moron.

[B.NyeTheUruk-Hai]

what bothers me is you didnt site the source of this glorius fiction. Come on nye how am I gonna do my magic if I cant reveiw your sources?
I got my info from a printed source, so I can't supply any links for you. But the simple fact remains that Eusebius wrote a favorable "biography" of Constantine, who was a brutal tyrant, which makes him a questionable author of the New Testament.

[Keeblergiant]

Vox is a moron.

Amen to that.

[voxpopulisuxx]

I got my info from a printed source, so I can't supply any links for you. But the simple fact remains that Eusebius wrote a favorable "biography" of Constantine, who was a brutal tyrant, which makes him a questionable author of the New Testament.
what was the printed source? The Star? National Enquirer? Globe?...h hee he eheh.
I dont need links I only need a name.
also All the roman emperors were brutal, Constantine however had mercy on the persecuted Christians and you fault eusebius for being favorable!
(How would you like your family and friends and yourself fed to Lions as was done to the early church, would you wish that on me?) the persecution was as bad as that experienced by the run away slaves in the American south during slavery. Abraham Lincoln was a brutal Tyrant according to some, but history smiles favorably on him because of His politically expedient Mercy to the Slaves.
You need to diversify your printed sources...
back to you friend..

[lotrfan55345]

You need to diversify your printed sources...
back to you friend..

I think you do too.

[emperorx1984]

I don't know dudes, gay marriage. . . . .geez. . . . .I mean they are people just like the rest of us, no different.

I want to start singling out all the rich worthless ceo a*sholes, the conservative business sick-f***s, and the d**kless over-paid sports players/models/singers/actors/actresses; start taking away their freedoms and putting limits to their lives. Let them hear the word "NO!" for a change.

Oh wait, we can't do that, who ever has the money makes the rules. . . . .The second we heard of Dick Cheney's daughter, suddenly it's not a problem. . . .

Homo-sexual marriage rights not okay? WHO GIVES A F**K?

Leave these people alone.

[B.NyeTheUruk-Hai]

Constantine however had mercy on the persecuted Christians and you fault eusebius for being favorable!
Of course he had mercy on Christians! He was the first Christian Emperor! He MURDERED his own WIFE and CHILD!!! If this doesn't make him an inhuman tyrant, then I don't know what will. You can't POSSIBLY defend this guy!!!


Abraham Lincoln was a brutal Tyrant according to some, but history smiles favorably on him because of His politically expedient Mercy to the Slaves.
You've just proved my point! Just like Lincoln, history (or I should say 'Eusebius') smiles favorably upon Constantine because he showed mercy to his FELLOW Christians (not exactly a saintly sacrifice). It doesn't take away from the fact that the man was brutal enough to murder his own wife and kid, not to mention the countless atrocities to others that he committed. You've given respect to the wrong people...


You need to diversify your printed sources...
The printed source that I'm currently reading is actually a diverse compilation of essays and interviews, MOST of which are written by respected CHRISTIAN scholars who have some very interesting views on Christianity from historical, philosophical and spiritual standpoints. You might want to read an unbiased and objective view for a change - the collection of essays is called "Secrets of the Code" by Dan Burstein. And it's a best-seller, so ALOT of people are reading it whether you want them to or not...

[lotrfan55345]

And it's a best-seller, so ALOT of people are reading it whether you want them to or not...

BAN IT! Throw it in the trash along with Queer Eye for the Straight guy!

[voxpopulisuxx]

Of course he had mercy on Christians! He was the first Christian Emperor! He MURDERED his own WIFE and CHILD!!! If this doesn't make him an inhuman tyrant, then I don't know what will. You can't POSSIBLY defend this guy!!!


You've just proved my point! Just like Lincoln, history (or I should say 'Eusebius') smiles favorably upon Constantine because he showed mercy to his FELLOW Christians (not exactly a saintly sacrifice). It doesn't take away from the fact that the man was brutal enough to murder his own wife and kid, not to mention the countless atrocities to others that he committed. You've given respect to the wrong people...


The printed source that I'm currently reading is actually a diverse compilation of essays and interviews, MOST of which are written by respected CHRISTIAN scholars who have some very interesting views on Christianity from historical, philosophical and spiritual standpoints. You might want to read an unbiased and objective view for a change - the collection of essays is called "Secrets of the Code" by Dan Burstein. And it's a best-seller, so ALOT of people are reading it whether you want them to or not...
I just read a small synopsis History of Constantine (not by eusebus) and can find no where in it your assertion about him murdering his children or wife? Are you confusing him with Julian the Apostate?
The Davinci Code is a best seller because it is fiction. And I dont care what is printed in books, "to the writing of books there is no end"...."all is vanity"..."there is nothing New under the sun"....Da Vinci code is a book by a talented huxter and fiction writer...and you having itching ears WANT to believe....and these publishers know it...its no better then Binny Hin making millions on his fiction about his healing powers...
Back to you friend........

[B.NyeTheUruk-Hai]

I just read a small synopsis History of Constantine (not by eusebus) and can find no where in it your assertion about him murdering his children or wife? Are you confusing him with Julian the Apostate?
No, it is Constantine the Great. Here's a link: http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/04295c.htm
Because this is a Christian website, naturally there is only a scant version of his heinous deeds. It's in the fourth to last paragraph.


And I dont care what is printed in books, "to the writing of books there is no end"...."all is vanity"..."there is nothing New under the sun"...
So you don't care what is printed in the Bible?


Da Vinci code is a book by a talented huxter and fiction writer...and you having itching ears WANT to believe...
By no means am I giving credence the "The DaVinci Code". Like I said, I'm reading a collection of essays and interviews which BOTH support and refute Dan Brown's claims. And some of this support actually comes from reputable Christian scholars. If I simply WANTED to believe Dan Brown, then I wouldn't be reading further into the matter, but I am. I've always tried to be objective with everything that I've heard or read during my lifetime. I think that you'd be surprised at how much serious attention these Christian scholars are giving to SOME of the ideas of this "talented huxter".

[voxpopulisuxx]

No, it is Constantine the Great. Here's a link: http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/04295c.htm
Because this is a Christian website, naturally there is only a scant version of his heinous deeds. It's in the fourth to last paragraph.


So you don't care what is printed in the Bible?


By no means am I giving credence the "The DaVinci Code". Like I said, I'm reading a collection of essays and interviews which BOTH support and refute Dan Brown's claims. And some of this support actually comes from reputable Christian scholars. If I simply WANTED to believe Dan Brown, then I wouldn't be reading further into the matter, but I am. I've always tried to be objective with everything that I've heard or read during my lifetime. I think that you'd be surprised at how much serious attention these Christian scholars are giving to SOME of the ideas of this "talented huxter".
of course nye I meant the books of the populi, the mundi, these are the books I meant. And I grant your point about your reading the book anylizing dan browns book, I thought you were reading just the code...keep up the skeptisms....

"I like to get in Hot water...it keeps me clean" G.K.Chesterton

[voxpopulisuxx]

as to the Constantine bio
I found the reference and retract my skeptisism, I still feel His benifits out weigh his personal cruelty, at least enough to objectivly state his reign was benificial to the world in general, again Lincoln was much more destructive to his citizens, then to his family...as to eusebus was he aware of Constantines cruelty? Are you suggesting that the christians were better off hiding in their catacombs?
Do you give Christianity any credit whatsoever for western civilization? The civilization of law, medicine, education etc....while eastern civilizations had these, they were not generally to the benifit of the commoners...

[B.NyeTheUruk-Hai]

"I like to get in Hot water...it keeps me clean" G.K.Chesterton
LOL! Good quote!


of course nye I meant the books of the populi, the mundi, these are the books I meant.
I know, I was just being difficult!


And I grant your point about your reading the book anylizing dan browns book, I thought you were reading just the code...keep up the skeptisms...
I'm always skeptical about pretty much anything new that I come across until I've looked into it thoroughly. I just wanted to emphasize that I bought what I consider to be one of the more objective books that are on the market. I didn't want to read someone who says that it's ALL rubbish or that it's ALL true. Realistically, there's a little bit of both and I wanted to hear BOTH sides of the story...


as to the Constantine bio
I found the reference and retract my skeptisism, I still feel His benifits out weigh his personal cruelty, at least enough to objectivly state his reign was benificial to the world in general, again Lincoln was much more destructive to his citizens, then to his family...
True. Point taken. Too often, though, we don't hear the full story...


...as to eusebus was he aware of Constantines cruelty? Are you suggesting that the christians were better off hiding in their catacombs?
I wouldn't know the answer to that. I'd have to say no to the catacombs though because Constantine was Christian himself. My wife and I were in Rome back in 2003 and there was a short tour that we could have paid extra for to go down into the catacombs, but we were tired at that point in the day and decided to save the money. I wish that we had done it though!


Do you give Christianity any credit whatsoever for western civilization? The civilization of law, medicine, education etc...
Of course I do! Its influence is everywhere, firmly entrenched in our society. I garnered a greater appreciation for this during our vacation to Italy, having been inside St.Peter's Basilica and Square, the Sistine Chapel, the Vatican Museum and places outside of Rome like Assisi, St.Mark's in Venice and the Statue of David. We just happened to have our visit to Vatican City on a Sunday, and when we came out of St.Peter's Basilica at around noon, there was a big crowd gathered in St.Peter's Square and the POPE HIMSELF was talking to the crowd! I couldn't see him very well though because he was talking from a window a few floors up and was somewhat sitting back away from the window so I only really saw his arm. Still, it was a moment that I'll never forget. Even though I'm an atheist, I could feel the energy and the reverence from the crowd. It was pretty amazing! Have you been there?

[voxpopulisuxx]

LOL! Good quote!


I know, I was just being difficult!


I'm always skeptical about pretty much anything new that I come across until I've looked into it thoroughly. I just wanted to emphasize that I bought what I consider to be one of the more objective books that are on the market. I didn't want to read someone who says that it's ALL rubbish or that it's ALL true. Realistically, there's a little bit of both and I wanted to hear BOTH sides of the story...


True. Point taken. Too often, though, we don't hear the full story...


I wouldn't know the answer to that. I'd have to say no to the catacombs though because Constantine was Christian himself. My wife and I were in Rome back in 2003 and there was a short tour that we could have paid extra for to go down into the catacombs, but we were tired at that point in the day and decided to save the money. I wish that we had done it though!


Of course I do! Its influence is everywhere, firmly entrenched in our society. I garnered a greater appreciation for this during our vacation to Italy, having been inside St.Peter's Basilica and Square, the Sistine Chapel, the Vatican Museum and places outside of Rome like Assisi, St.Mark's in Venice and the Statue of David. We just happened to have our visit to Vatican City on a Sunday, and when we came out of St.Peter's Basilica at around noon, there was a big crowd gathered in St.Peter's Square and the POPE HIMSELF was talking to the crowd! I couldn't see him very well though because he was talking from a window a few floors up and was somewhat sitting back away from the window so I only really saw his arm. Still, it was a moment that I'll never forget. Even though I'm an atheist, I could feel the energy and the reverence from the crowd. It was pretty amazing! Have you been there?
sigh ......I fear I shall never get to tontoonie.

[B.NyeTheUruk-Hai]

sigh ......I fear I shall never get to tontoonie.
WTF?!?!?! LOL!!! What have you been smoking????

[voxpopulisuxx]

WTF?!?!?! LOL!!! What have you been smoking????
you just never saw that coming did ya....

[B.NyeTheUruk-Hai]

Canada ROCKS !!!
www.marriagereferendum.ca

http://www.citizenscentre.com/images/billboard-400-72.jpg

[dutchie]

Why? I checked that link, but there were more voters that said the Canadian government should do all in its power to preserve the traditional definition of marriage, than people who disagreed...

A referendum is still far from legislation...

And with that in mind:

HOLLAND ROCKS!!!!!
http://www.zeeburgnieuws.nl/nieuws/images/homohuwelijk-zeeburg.jpg
http://www.plcmc.org/forkids/mow/images/netherlands-smallflag.gif

[B.NyeTheUruk-Hai]

Why? I checked that link, but there were more voters that said the Canadian government should do all in its power to preserve the traditional definition of marriage, than people who disagreed...
I know, that's unfortunate. But the results so far are based on just a small number of people who have voted. People are JUST starting to become aware of this website - I myself only found out about it a couple of days ago. So give it some time. But at least the PEOPLE may possibly have a say in how this all turns out.


HOLLAND ROCKS!!!!!
Yeah, I know! Holland's tolerance and freedoms are to be admired. Too bad the rest of the world couldn't follow its example. My mother-in-law is Dutch and she's taught me some Dutch swear words! I don't know how to spell them though.

[Keeblergiant]

My mother-in-law is Dutch and she's taught me some Dutch swear words!

Is Dutch like German?

[Havoc Angel]

Is Dutch like German?

Heh, Dutch is about as much German as Portuguese is Spanish.

[B.NyeTheUruk-Hai]

Why must Catholics go out of their way to harrass homosexuals? How do homosexuals affect the lives of Catholics AT ALL? Really, they won't bother you...

From CNN.com:

Conservatives counter 'Day of Silence'
'Day of Truth' supporters believe homosexuality is wrong
Wednesday, April 13, 2005 Posted: 12:49 PM EDT (1649 GMT)

NEW YORK (AP) -- Irked by the success of the nationwide Day of Silence, which seeks to combat anti-gay bias in schools, conservative activists are launching a counter-event this week called the Day of Truth aimed at mobilizing students who believe homosexuality is sinful.

Participating students are being offered T-shirts with the slogan "The Truth Cannot be Silenced" and cards to pass out to classmates Thursday -- the day following the Day of Silence -- declaring their unwillingness to condone "detrimental personal and social behavior."

The driving force behind the Day of Truth is the Alliance Defense Fund, a Christian legal group that has opposed same-sex marriage and challenged restrictions on religious expression in public schools. The event is endorsed by several influential conservative organizations, including the Christian ministry Focus on the Family and the Southern Baptist Convention's Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission.

Mike Johnson, an Alliance Defense Fund attorney from Shreveport, Louisiana, said organizers were unsure how many students would participate in the Day of Truth, but expressed hope it would grow in coming years as more people learned about it.

Johnson said the event is meant to be "peaceful and respectful," but made clear it is motivated by belief that homosexuality is wrong. "You can call it sinful or destructive -- ultimately it's both," he said.

The event is designed as a riposte to the Day of Silence, which began on a small scale in 1996 and is now observed by tens of thousands of students annually at hundreds of schools and colleges across the country.

Most Day of Silence participants go through the school day without speaking -- a tactic for drawing attention to the isolation and harassment experienced by many gay students.

Since 2001, Day of Silence observances have been coordinated by the Gay, Lesbian and Straight Education Network (GLSEN), a New York-based organization that also has worked to support gay-straight alliances at high schools across the country.

Kevin Jennings, GLSEN's executive director, said he doubted the Day of Truth would gain a following and stature of any significance.

"The Day of Silence was an event conceived of by students themselves in response to a very real problem of bullying and harassment they saw on their campuses," Jennings said. "The Day of Truth is a publicity stunt cooked up by a conservative organization with a political agenda; it's an effort by adults to manipulate some kids."

Underlying the dueling events is a fundamental disagreement over the rationale for the Day of Silence. GLSEN and its allies say the silent protest is specifically targeting harassment of gay students, while the Alliance Defense Fund and other conservatives say GLSEN's agenda is to broaden national acceptance of homosexuality.

"No one is for bullying and harassment," Johnson said. "But that's cloaking their real message -- that homosexuality is good for society."

Echoing the stance taken by defense fund lawyers in several court cases, Johnson said teachers and students critical of homosexuality have been pressured to stifle their views while at school. They cite the case of a San Diego-area high school student, Chase Harper, who was disciplined last year for refusing to change out of a T-shirt that read, "Homosexuality is Shameful."

"We wouldn't have come up with the Day of Truth if Christian kids hadn't been silenced in the first place," Johnson said. "The public school is part of the free market of ideas -- if the other side is going to advance their point of view, it's only fair for the Christian perspective to present their view, too."

The Alliance Defense Fund is anticipating that some students who try to participate in the Day of Truth may be admonished by school staff. Its resource kit includes a hot-line number, with attorneys on call to provide legal advice about free-speech rights on school grounds.

Jennings said GLSEN had no ambitions to keep schools free of all criticism of homosexuality.

"There always should be a place in our schools for respectful differences of opinion -- we don't expect everyone to agree, or even to like each other," he said.

But he questioned whether the Alliance Defense Fund and its allies were committed to constructive dialogue.

"I don't think they believe in pluralism," he said. "They feel they have the truth and everybody else should buy into it."

According to GLSEN, 84 percent of gay and lesbian high school students experiences verbal harassment on a regular basis at school, and 40 percent experience physical harassment.

[dutchie]

Heh, Dutch is about as much German as Portuguese is Spanish.
Warum denn gibt es soviel Holländer die Deutsch sprechen, gegenüber so wenig Deutscher?!? Ist Deutsch denn soviel einfacher als Holländisch?!? Oder ist es nur weil es viel mehr Deutscher gibt? (Ja, ich weiss - dummer Frage..)

[B.NyeTheUruk-Hai]

Warum denn gibt es soviel Holländer die Deutsch sprechen, gegenüber so wenig Deutscher?!? Ist Deutsch denn soviel einfacher als Holländisch?!? Oder ist es nur weil es viel mehr Deutscher gibt? (Ja, ich weiss - dummer Frage..)
Hut fer dumma, dutchie!

[lotrfan55345]

.

From CNN.com:



That is so sad. Considering how conservative, and fundementalist christian my school is, I can imagine people wearing this shirt.

Heck I bet teachers fully support wearing this shirt, as they show no emotion to anti-homosexual, homophibic behaviour at all, and even at points support it.

[B.NyeTheUruk-Hai]

PROOF THAT HOMOSEXUALITY IS BIOLOGICAL

Pheromones and sexual preference (http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/1115728972245_19/?hub=Health)

[dutchie]

Hut fer dumma, dutchie!
You won't go to heaven saying things like that, Bill... :52:


(BTW I was writing in German, not in Dutch in that last post...)

About gays and the smells.. I thought this research had been carried out years ago already?!?

[Red Shift]

De rode Verandering moet een vrije vertaler gebruiken om uw Duitser te begrijpen en Nederlands, ongelukkig als u vermoedelijk door het proberen kan vertellen om dit bericht, zijn niet heel goed te ontcijferen..

[dutchie]

WAAAAAHAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! That "Dutch" cracks me up, Pete!! It's pretty obvious translators do a fuqin poor job...

I had to read it no less than 6 times to get SOME idea of WTF it was you were talking about.

[Red Shift]

lmao, i fed it back through the translator and if you read

"The red Change must want to use a translator your German to understand and Dutch, unfortunately as you presumably through the trying can tell this report, are not whole good to decipher."

I can understand why you would need to read it through a few times, haha, gives me some idea what you guys are talking about though, which is cool

[dutchie]

Let me help you out there, Pete...


Warum denn gibt es soviel Holländer die Deutsch sprechen, gegenüber so wenig Deutscher?!? Ist Deutsch denn soviel einfacher als Holländisch?!? Oder ist es nur weil es viel mehr Deutscher gibt? (Ja, ich weiss - dummer Frage..)
translation:
"Why are there so many German speaking Dutch, against so few Dutch speaking Germans?!? Is German then so much easier than Dutch?!? Or is it just because there just are that many more Germans? (Yeah, I know - stupid question...)

[Red Shift]

aha, thanks, hahah the only part that the translator actually got right was (yeah i know stupid question) the rest was crazy, maybe i should learn some dutch heheh

[dutchie]

Again... That bit I translated wasn't Dutch, it was German...

[Red Shift]

oh yeh, is one of them easier than the other?

[dutchie]

Dutch is harder to learn, because there aren't many grammar rules, just exceptions. In fact, Dutch is being considered the third hardest language in the world.

[nrj]

ACCORDING TO YOU YOU HAVE NO BUSINESS TELLING ME WHERE TO STICK MY NOSE....
the fact is you expect Normal people to accept that sh*t smells good, its not a childish question at all! it gets to the very root of this debate Truth...you've exposed the agenda I spoke of in the Ultimate Conspiracy...that this is not a debate about the sexual perversions of a minority...but about the deliberate undermining of what is reality......because if you can get a person to accept that sh*t smells good you can get them to accept anything even slavery! Give me Liberty or Death,,, and the truth to deliberate deception!
"Tell a big enough Lie and People will belive it"-Attributed to Hitler


Shite smells good!
Anus is a sexual organ!
right is wrong and wrong is right!
theres no difference between male and female its interchangable!
this is orwell incarnate!

Dude, I think youre taking this religous thing WAY to serious. Chill off!

[nrj]

Dutch is harder to learn, because there aren't many grammar rules, just exceptions. In fact, Dutch is being considered the third hardest language in the world.

You should try modern swedish. we dont have any "rules" you can learn in a book. I think its like that with all the germanian languges.

[B.NyeTheUruk-Hai]

Dude, I think youre taking this religous thing WAY to serious. Chill off!
Aaaaahh, that little snippet brings back good memories. Things have been alot less dramatic around here now that Vox is gone. Apparently, gay people living together and getting married would somehow affect his life. And even though it wouldn't, he still felt that it was necessary to stick his nose into other peoples' lives and ruin their happiness for no good reason other than the Bible says so. Somehow I get the feeling that he wouldn't be too happy if other people stuck their noses in HIS business and told him to stop being Christian...

[nrj]

Aaaaahh, that little snippet brings back good memories. Things have been alot less dramatic around here now that Vox is gone. Apparently, gay people living together and getting married would somehow affect his life. And even though it wouldn't, he still felt that it was necessary to stick his nose into other peoples' lives and ruin their happiness for no good reason other than the Bible says so. Somehow I get the feeling that he wouldn't be too happy if other people stuck their noses in HIS business and told him to stop being Christian...

Yeah, there goes a very, very, very fanatic Christian

Vox= :pray:

[Keeblergiant]

Dutch is harder to learn, because there aren't many grammar rules, just exceptions. In fact, Dutch is being considered the third hardest language in the world.

How much harder is it than German? Because I'm in my second year of German and I still don't even know how to ask someone how they're doing...of course, I don't really do anything in that class besides sleep and play videogames, but nonetheless...German sucks.

[dutchie]

I don't know exactly HOW MUCH harder it is, but I can tell you I thought German was pretty easy to learn. The rules of grammar are straightforward and applied in a consistent way. Much UNLIKE Dutch, where there is absolutely NO way you could determine if a word is feminin or masculin..

[nrj]

Any way, all forms of love, is love. And love is one of the few great things we have on this wacked planet, so please, could all you overreligous people stop talking bad about homosexual love, because then you are talking bad about the right every human being has: Being in ove with who ever you want. And for the record: Homosexuality is not a way of THINKING, its a way of BEING, and you cant change it. And if you could, it would be an EXTREMELY barbaric act. I live in a country, were 650 people get raped every day. And we are only 9 million people. I know barbaric actions! And converting a human being into something shes not, is the most barbaric act anyone can do.

[nrj]

How would you like your family and friends and yourself fed to Lions as was done to the early church, would you wish that on me?

How would you like your family and friends and yourself being persecuted, burned at stake, forced to conversion of religion, tortured, raped, beaten, burried and and killed as was done to the early none believers of christanity?

[nrj]

Do you give Christianity any credit whatsoever for western civilization?

What credit? You called the vikings barbarians, even though they were the first european people to make a truce with Turkey. You called the arabians barbarians, even though they were first to do a heart surgery and observe the first supernova. And you COMPLETELY destroyed the Southamericans, even though they were very good at medicine. If we hadnt pulled our heads together, we would have stayed in the dark age. The western civilization was at the risk of not being discovered when the church was in charge. Man, in a biography of Birger Jarl (The crusader who formed Sweden) it is written how a knight lies with an infection in his leg. A caliph is summoned, to use his medical skills. He is just about to treat it, when a priest comes in to the tent, and push away the arabian caliph. "Do you want to live with one leg, or die with two?" he says, and imidietaly starts chopping the leg of with an axe. Bone marrow is splattering evrywere, and in the furios pain, the knight dies. The caliph shakes his head, and is being escorted out of the camp. If the world had been controled by the church for a longer time, we would have been fighting world war two with sticks.

[B.NyeTheUruk-Hai]

nrj, I was going to say that Vox isn't here any more and that your words are falling on deaf ears. But then I realized that they would have fallen on deaf ears anyway even if Vox was still here...

[nrj]

nrj, I was going to say that Vox isn't here any more and that your words are falling on deaf ears. But then I realized that they would have fallen on deaf ears anyway even if Vox was still here...

I know, but I´m getting so mad when I see his posts. I cannot imagine him having a family when he acts like that. When I see those posts, trying to convince us that non religous people are bad, and christians good, I get so mad!!! Thats why I keep replying to his posts, because I hope one day I will understand how men like him work.

[dcookcan]

nrj, I was going to say that Vox isn't here any more and that your words are falling on deaf ears. But then I realized that they would have fallen on deaf ears anyway even if Vox was still here...
That will probably become a timeless classic quote at AO.
::)):

[nrj]

That will probably become a timeless classic quote at AO.
::)):

Yeah, he has become well known on this forum.

:Llol: :Llol:

[uki]

thats funny considering the catholic priests seem to think it is completely alright to have sex with little boys...

[Traveler]

Sorry but I think that there is more to this than just sexual orientation.

The problem with traditions is that over time the reasons for practicing those traditions become lost and the tradition just gets repeated by each successive generation without question.

It is only after the tradition is scrapped that the reasons for practicing those traditions becomes apparent.

The family unit is the basic building block of society, it is specifically designed for the production of and raising of children with the intention of integrating them into society where they can become productive members that can make a meaningful contribution for the generations to follow.

A government may have control over a society but it does not make a society. It is stuck working with what is already there.

When you start ripping apart the basic building blocks of society then things start to fall to pieces. Now the gay movement may be looking for recognition and equal rights but my take is that they are just being used by those who do not have the better interests of western civilization in mind.

[OCsupertones]

(1)According to you Bill: Being "gay" is natural right? If not, skip to number 4.

(2)Also according to you: Evolution is true.

(3)According to evolution: Being "gay" is NOT natural, as it serves no purpose to reproduction.

BIG problem here buddy...Unless evolution isn't true...Which couldn't be!.:/

(4) So being gay is NOT natural? Then we all agree it is a admiralty, a mis function, a sickness, a taboo, ect. ect.

(5) So are people born gay?

BIG problem here too.

-People are born to reproduce. There is no scientific evidence that babies are born without the trait of being attracted to the same sex. And if you really just want to be simple about it: Do babies even have sexual attraction upon birth? Thus, babies are NOT BORN gay. Being gay is a choice, determined by many factors, including mental instability, family issues (lack of a father figure), broken home, poor social skills ( want to be different), and just plain sin. Homosexuality is a lust, a perversion. No one is born gay. We are all just born sinners. You can be born again.

[grendel 13]

(
(3)According to evolution: Being "gay" is NOT natural, as it serves no purpose to reproduction.

in.
well what about every other inherited disease, disability or deformity? why aren't these vanished by evolution? it's because civilized society takes care of these people, they continue to live and possibly reproduce. it's a fact that natural selection doesn't play into human society any more. and just because you are gay doesn't mean you cannot reproduce, damn use some common sense.

and if we are all just born to reproduce, than what is the point of making us sooo aware of our own existence? why aren't we just like every other animal? it's because there is more to life than just reproducing. the real God knows this and smiles at all the diversity of that which he has created. the christian god is a fool who is afraid of two guys kissing.

[Stabby Joe]

We get gay animals... not natural? *Sigh*, you can't convice someone being gay is wrong or right, thats why this thread died a year ago.

[Fut004]

the christian god is a fool who is afraid of two guys kissing.
Hahaha... More and More I'm seeing people make comments about the Christian God that makes him look like an idiot. Let's see, he's an Incompitant HomoPhobe who acts like a Spoiled 8 Year old... Awesome. Lets all Worship him.

Anyhow, Here's some Natural Gayness for all you Chrisitans:
They're in love. They're gay. They're penguins... And they're not alone. (http://www.jrn.columbia.edu/studentwork/cns/2002-06-10/591.asp)

[DontBeAfraid]

he's an Incompitant HomoPhobe who acts like a Spoiled 8 Year old... Slim shady needs to work that into a rap.


They're in love. They're gay. They're penguins... And they're not alone. I dont care how you advertise it.. Im still not going to see Happy Feet.

[Traveler]

Logical deduction tells me that the gay party will only last until AIDS kicks in like it did in Africa then the whole concept will come to a screeching halt.

Some would say that this is the reason why God lets bad things happen. Others will claim that it is just the natural course of events. But at the end of the day it will be those who don't screw around that come through OK!

[DontBeAfraid]

Logical deduction tells me that the gay party will only last until AIDS kicks in like it did in Africa then the whole concept will come to a screeching halt. Are you referring to how its a huge problem for STRAIGHT females in africa or are you simply uneducated on the subject?

[B.NyeTheUruk-Hai]

(4) So being gay is NOT natural? Then we all agree it is a admiralty, a mis function, a sickness, a taboo, ect. ect. No. We don't agree. Just because something is not natural does not mean that it is a sickness. Take the things that you do on a daily basis. For example, driving your car is not natural. Using your computer to surf the www.DinoMiteBabesOfKentHovind.com website is not natural. Having an IQ lower than that of a bowling pin is not natural. Do you understand my point, OC? What am I saying? Of course you don't...


(3)According to evolution: Being "gay" is NOT natural, as it serves no purpose to reproduction. Wrong. Evolution makes NO claims as to what is considered "natural" or not. Evolution simply states that, if a gay person does not reproduce, their genes will not be passed on to subsequent generations...


BIG problem here buddy... No. No problem here. Unless you consider you being a moron to be a problem. Though most likely, you being a moron is just "natural"...


People are born to reproduce. What about people who are born sterile?


Do babies even have sexual attraction upon birth? Thus, babies are NOT BORN gay. Being gay is a choice Do babies even have teeth upon birth? Thus, babies are not born with teeth. Having teeth is a choice. How do you not fall down more, OC?


the christian god is a fool who is afraid of two guys kissing. Great quote, grendel!


Anyhow, Here's some Natural Gayness for all you Chrisitans:
They're in love. They're gay. They're penguins... And they're not alone. Aaaaawwwww! OC will likely respond in one of two ways: [1] he will ignore this [2] he will claim that Wendell and Cass are simply confused... for 8 YEARS...

[Traveler]

Are you referring to how its a huge problem for STRAIGHT females in africa or are you simply uneducated on the subject?


You know from my other posts that I was basically living at ground zero as far as this pandemic was concerned. I know first hand what happened. All you know about it is what you have seen on television. That does not make you well educated on the subject.

This is what happened.

When this dieses first appeared on the horizon and the medical community grasped the implications of its potential effects they issued warning after warning. It was in all the newspapers and TV and radio broadcasts all over the sub continent. Everyone heard it in their own languages.

You have never been told the reaction to this.

The word went out that this was a diabolical white man’s plot to stop the black people from reproducing. They want to weaken the black nations so that they can take over etc, etc. So they all went out and screwed around all the more.

The first group that started to keel over that was noticeable was of all things, the local police forces. They were all receiving special favors from the whore houses so that they would leave them in operation. The next was the government ministers and then the deluge started. The only ones that are walking through this are those who have modified their sexual practices to conform to their religious convictions. So in the end the only ones that will be left standing will be those that have a religious trait in their psychological make up.

History is repeating itself only the justification has changed. AIDS is already in the gay circles. The gays will play with the transsexuals who will in turn play with the heterosexuals who will play with eachother. This is all being done in the name of tolerance for diversity but who do you think will be left standing at the end.

[Fut004]

You know from my other posts that I was basically living at ground zero as far as this pandemic was concerned. I know first hand what happened. All you know about it is what you have seen on television. That does not make you well educated on the subject.

This is what happened.

When this dieses first appeared on the horizon and the medical community grasped the implications of its potential effects they issued warning after warning. It was in all the newspapers and TV and radio broadcasts all over the sub continent. Everyone heard it in their own languages.

You have never been told the reaction to this.

The word went out that this was a diabolical white man’s plot to stop the black people from reproducing. They want to weaken the black nations so that they can take over etc, etc. So they all went out and screwed around all the more.

The first group that started to keel over that was noticeable was of all things, the local police forces. They were all receiving special favors from the whore houses so that they would leave them in operation. The next was the government ministers and then the deluge started. The only ones that are walking through this are those who have modified their sexual practices to conform to their religious convictions. So in the end the only ones that will be left standing will be those that have a religious trait in their psychological make up.
All of that is just confirming that it's a Problem with STRAIGHT PEOPLE. Thanks.




History is repeating itself only the justification has changed. AIDS is already in the gay circles. The gays will play with the transsexuals who will in turn play with the heterosexuals who will play with eachother. This is all being done in the name of tolerance for diversity but who do you think will be left standing at the end.

Why is it that all the Bible-Thumpers think that Gay people Produce Aids or something? Why do they all think that Gay people are too retarded to practice safe sex?

Yes, Gay people have Aids... Straight people have it to.

[Traveler]

You missed the point again. The promotion of gays is just one part in a bigger picture.

[Fut004]

You missed the point again. The promotion of gays is just one part in a bigger picture.

Who's promoting Gays? We're just not condemning them.

[uki]

Who's promoting Gays? We're just not condemning them.perhaps it's time people should... personally i'd love to see the destruction of sodom and gomorrah all over again; you know why? because it was the destruction of homosexuals... the degenerates of humankind. now don't get me wrong... they can do what ever they want, put their dick where ever they want, but i will not lose any sleep if in fact one day i woke up and they were all hanging from their entrails somewhere. each to their own... this is where i stand in my view of the topic's revolving around being a homosexual. and don't think i am full of spite and hate; my brother is gay(sometimes), yet i love him as my brother... it's just the actions that are despicable... and yes he knows my feelings on the subject.

[Stabby Joe]

perhaps it's time people should... personally i'd love to see the destruction of sodom and gomorrah all over again; you know why? because it was the destruction of homosexuals... the degenerates of humankind. now don't get me wrong... they can do what ever they want, put their dick where ever they want, but i will not lose any sleep if in fact one day i woke up and they were all hanging from their entrails somewhere. each to their own... this is where i stand in my view of the topic's revolving around being a homosexual. and don't think i am full of spite and hate; my brother is gay(sometimes), yet i love him as my brother... it's just the actions that are despicable... and yes he knows my feelings on the subject.

So you basically say you won't care if a crazy mob kills your brother...

[uki]

So you basically say you won't care if a crazy mob kills your brother...well if i am there, i will do my best to stop the mobs... otherwise he too had it coming to him... he's really not that gay anymore. he has been with a woman for nearly 8 years... they tend to go both ways, but hey it's their choice, but unfortunately their choices, i believe, will bring them misfortune in the end unless they abstain from their ways. i would help anyone who was being harmed in my presence, regardless of sexual orientation or beliefs... i do not condone the use of violence to make a point; yet if and when it happens outside of my realm of control, there really isn't much i can do about it. just because i do not agree with peoples choices, doesn't mean i would allow them to be harmed... killing for beliefs is not the way. by offerring them protection regardless of their actions will teach them a better lesson than to allow them to be killed.

[B.NyeTheUruk-Hai]

by offerring them protection regardless of their actions will teach them a better lesson than to allow them to be killed.
personally i'd love to see the destruction of sodom and gomorrah all over again So which one is it, weasel? Should Sodom and Gomorrah be destroyed all over again or should they be taught a better lesson and be offerred protection? Contradicting yourself is quickly becoming the norm for you here, weasel...

[Sammy56]

perhaps it's time people should... personally i'd love to see the destruction of sodom and gomorrah all over again Uki, the depth of your cruelty and arrogance really scares me sometimes. What gives you the right to judge, condemn, and wish death upon anyone? What if someone wanted to kill you for an aspect about yourself that you cannot change.

[Traveler]

All you can do is warn everyone that this is what the out come will be The link below would indicate that the promotion of this is being assisted by the same group that errected this stone monument.


http://www.radioliberty.com/stones.htm

You would think that anybody with any sense could see the dangers involved but their attention has been dirrected else where so most have missed it.

The group that errected these stones want to drop the worlds population by 5.5 billion. AIDS is one of the ways that they are doing it. That way the infastructure left behind remains intact.

Now I have told you and I have warned you. Your blood will not be requird from my hands.

[Stabby Joe]

Erm... what? I didn't get any of that... are you saying gays are a conspiricy to kill people? :alcoholic