The Health Nazi's ???

[Mezurashi]

It occured to me recently that the movement towards 'Personal Health' in North America may be more than a concern over the surplus of sick civilians and lack of proper care facilities...

ASSUMING that there is a 'Controlling Group(s)' like the Illuminati or whatever (insert your own pet UberElite here) --

ASSUMING that there are separate groups in control of the different Geographical regions --

and

ASSUMING that these groups compete amongst themselves --

then I Propose as a HYPOTHESIS --

the Ruling Class of North America ran their numbers and realized that by keeping the masses doped and fed (beer and Big Mac's) for three generations they have delivered a near fatal blow on the longevity of their own peasant labour pool.

The influx of immigrant labour from other parts of the world is not looked upon favourably because all of these immigrants have been influenced and conditioned by the Other Ruling Classes (of Asia, Europe, S. America, Africa, whatever). Therefore the more immigrant labour comes in, the more diluted the control of the N. American Ruling Class becomes, thus opening the door for one of the Other Ruling Classes to extend it's influence within N.A.

Thus the NA Ruling Class decides it needs to 'Health Up' its own peasantry. But simply attacking obesity isn't possible since NA is the land of Prosperity and Liposuction.

So they began their Great Big War On Tobacco (on the heels of Nancy Reagan's 'Just Say No' War on Drugs which was funded by the Medellin Cartels to insure 'price fixing' on the street value of cocaine) and this allowed Them to create a media fueled climate of increased health awareness. And once this 'Healthy Concern' had developed to the point of personal obsession with a significant portion of the civilian population, they allow something like "Supersize Me" to be created and distributed with the Tacit Approval of McDonalds Corp. (No libel suits, no attempts to suppress, and examining McD's history this was like the Pope shooting heroin in downtown Amsterdam).

So in an effort to maintain their 'Zone Of Control' in North America by keeping their workers healthy they are now going to make Obesity a crime. Just as soon as they can bar people from smoking outdoors and in their own homes.

**THIS IS JUST A THOUGHT EXERCISE, I AM NOT SAYING THIS IS FACTUAL OR EVEN PROBABLE**

any thoughts? or am I spinning on a loom with no wool?

[tranz]

This is an interesting hypothesis. I have often wondered why the government itself was so anti smoking.If they wanted to kill off more people and keep the populace in a state of weakened body and mind, tobacco is perfect. Plus they make so much money on the "sin" tax..

who knows..

[stewey]

This is an interesting hypothesis. I have often wondered why the government itself was so anti smoking.If they wanted to kill off more people and keep the populace in a state of weakened body and mind, tobacco is perfect. Plus they make so much money on the "sin" tax..

who knows..

Actually I too was wondering that.

[King Bagbuss]

It would make sense that anyone controlling America would need strong workers. Drunkenness and poor health (brought on by Beer and Tobbaco, respectively) would impair their abilities. But they would need to keep the intelligence level low, else some of the "Workers" would inevitably become dissatisfied with living conditions and revolt against the "Masters". Most efficient way would be to use propaganda, such as on TV and stuff.
A well thought out theory about the health thing, much as it is unlikely that someone is controlling it. Although I've often worried who would be evil enough to allow so many reality-tv shows...

[Mezurashi]

I often use comparitive metaphors to help me through my muddled thoughts and I often use them for expression, here we go again.

Bread and Circuses - in the declining years of the Roman Empire (before they became the Holy Romans) this was the phrase that we were taught in school as being the simplified Imperial Policy towards population control and management.

Big Macs and Reality TV (I used to say Pro Wrestling) are just the Tip Of The Iceberg, but the metaphor is sound.

Now the California State Legislature is considering a Members Bill to Ban Smoking Tobacco outright in the state. No More Tobacco - and there goes the Individual Freedoms Guaranteed by the Bill Of Rights.

It might be spin doctored as 'for the greater good' but it is, in fact, nothing less than GOVERNMENT LEGISLATED MORALITY.

which is to say, the separation between Church and State has been removed.

and soon they'll be telling us that Fat People are a Threat to the Public Health System (the same excuse for the smokers).

and after that, who's next? people who limp? people from places where they didn't get 'American Vaccinations'?

I believe it's time for me to engage in substance abuse while I still can...

[Protostar]

They are trying to stop you from smoking in your own car.
They cannot impose that on the residents of
connecticut. Maybe the government will be nice and PAY YOUR CAR LOAN.
That pisses me off. Whats next? no sugar in your drinks?
Just WHO makes up this shit?

[Molly]

I think it may be just as likely that the taking away of these "smaller" rights (eg smoking in public places) is the government's way of inoculating us to the larger usurpation of rights that is on the horizon. It's the old "foot-in-the-door" technique. They gradually get Americans more and more comfortable with more and more gov'tal interference ...until finally one day we wake up and "the government" can just barge into our homes w/o warning and take our sh*t.....oh, wait.....

[DarkAce]

Or maybe people are just really self-conscious in NA. With the barrage of "sexy" people in the media all over the place (television, movies, magazines, billboards, etc) people's idolization extends into their own lives of wanting to look "beautiful", "fit", etc.

Not to mention how many lives are claimed by lung cancer and lives (familes) destroyed by these substance abuses. Not to mention the affect they have on society (I heard cocaine did wonders for the black community). I for one think it to probably be a step in the right direction. Who wants to see a bunch of obese people in speedos (or atleast what had once used to be xxl shorts) at the beach? or where ever. Not to mention child obesity is on the rise and that's truly sad.
Proper health not only maintains your body, but also your attitude, personality and mental state.

If a friend is an addict and spends all his/her time "shooting up" wasting their lives away (the same person you grew up with and used to have so much aspirations, etc.) would you allow them to throw their life away because it's their right to, or do you intefer and try to get them to realize the wrong and danger in their decisions and try a better path that possibly not only accomadates one's self, but the others around him/her and close to him/her.

Hey if I was a citizen of Rome then and I was accustomed to being invaded, more often then not always in a state of war and having to contribute to that effort, etc. I'd welcome that entertainment as provided escapism from the realities of the soap opera life that romans had then.

Government forced morality isn't so bad. All the tolerance and freedoms it's granted us proves that more then enough.

Why would Mcdonalds make a fuss over super size me? It doesn't take anyone with a drop of common sense to realize fast food is bad for you, especially if eaten constantly without a proper exercise regiment for 30 days straight.

But no you guys are probably right. Diabetes and heart diesease, etc. are just made up. Millions don't die of it each year, it's just a con by the government to get at your so called rights.

[Mezurashi]

well, DarkAce, your points are certainly valid but extremely one sided and seemingly vindictive for what was supposed to be a hypothetical discussion. let me illustrate my point by discussing in your format...

(Instead of Health and Food and Smoking - let's talk about banning cars...)

Maybe people are really blinded in NA to the true nature of the gas guzzling beatss they ride herd on, trying to maintain convenience for convenience's sake.

Not to mention how many lives are claimed by Lung Cancer, Drunken or reckless Driving and the War In Iraq every year (and I hears Cars did wonders for various National Park Forests all over the world, as well as causing acid rain). I think it would probably be a step in the right direction. Who wants to see obese people driving around getting fatter anyways? And obese children are on the rise because they can't be bothered to walk a block for more candy when mommy or daddy will drive them.

If a friend is an addict and spends all his/her time "shooting up" wasting their lives away (the same person you grew up with and used to have so much aspirations, etc.) would you allow them to throw their life away because it's their right to, or do you intefere and try to get them to realize the wrong and danger in their decisions and try a better path that possibly not only accomodates one's self, but the others around him/her and close to him/her.

Hey if I was a citizen of Rome then and I was accustomed to being invaded, more often then not always in a state of war and having to contribute to that effort, etc. I'd welcome that entertainment as provided escapism from the realities of the soap opera life that romans had then. And I need the stress release of American Idol after a hard day's driving the freeways.

Government forced morality isn't so bad, unless you're not moral or, let's say, not white. And even if you're gettign shafted there's a lot of people who Feel better off so back off.

Why would Haliburton make a big deal out of Iraq? Anyone with a drop of common sense can realize that in the end it's all about personal gain and has nothing to do with political ideaology or democracy.

But no you guys are probably right. Guerilla soldiers, terrorists and corporate sponsored wars are just made up. Millions don't die of it each year, it's just a con by the government to get at your so called freedoms.


so - theres a counter example of debating taken to another extreme.

DarkAce, I appreciate your input, thank you for taking the time to type it out, but please - your points are like those of Death Cometh trying to cause a ruckus by being himself - which is to say, it SEEMS like you're being contrary just for the sake of being contrary. I guess I can respect your right to do so, but that doesn't mean I have to respect you for doing it.

[DarkAce]

Playing devils advocate is neccesary at times to illustrate the views expressed more clearly and to provide more perspective. I'm guessing you realized the tactics of playing on emotional impact to further my point (friend "shooting up") but really atleast my statements were sensibile and on topic to the point of discussion, which is of course the "Health Movement". The inclusion of Iraq and whatever weren't merited and mostly conjecture and opinion rather then fact.

I didn't find my post extreme, but perhaps it was. But I still put fourth that it was reasonable and a valid counter arguement. If you feel that it was harsh to your own views, that's fine, but it doesn't take away from it's validity.

[Mezurashi]

Ok, I can understand that. And I wasn't saying your points were invalid, that wasn't the focus of my retort.

and now I go settle back into the warm pool of cold meds ... a good time to graze the archives of AO, lol.