the 144000 .book of revelations.

[namici]

1 Then I looked and there was the Lamb standing on Mount Zion, 2 and with him a hundred and forty-four thousand who had his name and his Father's name written on their foreheads.
2
I heard a sound from heaven like the sound of rushing water or a loud peal of thunder. The sound I heard was like that of harpists playing their harps.
3
They were singing (what seemed to be) a new hymn before the throne, before the four living creatures and the elders. No one could learn this hymn except the hundred and forty-four thousand who had been ransomed from the earth.
4
These are they who were not defiled with women; they are virgins 3 and these are the ones who follow the Lamb wherever he goes. They have been ransomed as the firstfruits of the human race for God and the Lamb.
5
On their lips no deceit 4 has been found; they are unblemished.
6
who are they supposed to be? humans,angels or something else? i ask this because it (and the 2 witnesses) is one of the part of the book of revelation where i am very confused and cannot really understand or figure what they are or what they represent. (ps:english is not my second language sorry for any errors or mispelling...)

[repentantsinner]

very very very slim chance your one of them

[PuritynTruthinHim]

I always thought they were humans who wer deemed worthy

[mysticalzoe]

I always thought it was the Jews, they are supposed to be the God's chosen people!

Jessica

[DaSoviet]

I always thought it was the Jews
Yes you are correct, 144.000 Jews are left behind to spread the word about Jesus when all others have been taken up (raptured).

[B.NyeTheUruk-Hai]

Yes you are correct, 144.000 Jews are left behind to spread the word about Jesus when all others have been taken up (raptured).
I'm confused. You know I'm not religious, so please bear with me here. I thought that the Jews don't believe in Jesus, so why would they be chosen to spread the word of Jesus?

[PuritynTruthinHim]

The great multitude is different from the 144,000. The 144,000 are Jewish, but the great multitude are those who stayed faithful to God also. Atleast that is how I interprete when I read the bible. That is why I believe that that his word is spread around the world, to save as many as he can. That is why they come from every nation, because his followers ARE in every nation.

[gracestamper]

The Jews are an idea...But THINK about this one...The Jews or certain sects don't believe Jesus Christ was the Son of God....So when the *other one* comes, they'll worship him. They'll worship the Antichrist, but love the enemy. And yes these are Gods chosen people. So I believe the 144,000 sealed by God are simply those who remain faithful to Him. However we have yet to see a rapture, so how close do you really think we are? And I'm not talking about the Second Coming of Christ. The other guy has to come first. He's here, and quietly manipulating the world. :52: But we know his fate. And if we keep our faith in God, we have nothing to fear.

[Protostar]

Ya know Grace, I gotta say i highly doubt that the jews are gods chosen people.
The bible was written and was a foundation for the people in Jesus's time.
The Jewish Religious leaders and the Catholic leaders did not like how much power jesus had. They GOT RID OF HIM. So, After the bible was re-written and 125 parts were removed, we found that the jewish people were gods chosen. I DO NOT BELIEVE IT. The bible has been changed. And those very powerful leaders did the changing. (God would never choose a person who thought themselves too good to be touched) Ever try to touch a hisidic jew? they will cut in front of you in line and run you down not thinking one iota about your life. God would never choose a people that were that "self rightous". Think about it.....

[PuritynTruthinHim]

Hmm thats very interesting Protostar...and I DO believe the bible has been manipulated. But I know what I see, I see the things foretold in the scriptures happening right now, starting with Israel becoming a nation and right now how she has so many nations against her. How do you explain that? I am in no way being smart, I actually am intersted in hearing your theory.

But on a side note, not ALL Jews are like that. Thats a stereotype. Remember, most of Israel choose to rebel against him, and he humbled them each time. Infact I believe Daniel's 70 weeks are coming to an end soon, which from the way I understand it one of his punishments.

[nrj]

Come on! SOME of them scriptures are correct, right? Well: Gravity exists in Star Wars, war exists in Star Wars, humans exist in Star Wars and in some scenes you can see a tree. Does that make Star Wars fact?

[DarkAce]

Wow you guys need to lay down on these rapture fiction novels and pick up an actual history book so you stop making up such pseudo history.


The bible was written and was a foundation for the people in Jesus's time.


The bible didn't exist in "Jesus's time".


The Jewish Religious leaders and the Catholic leaders did not like how much power jesus had. They GOT RID OF HIM.


Catholic leaders? Heh, I don't think I even have to comment on the abusurdity of that...but moving on, the romans had Jesus executed. Why? Not because he had too much power (or any at all for that matter), but the romans were fearing a rebellion. Especially around this time when the jews held such high Messianic beliefs and expectations, messiahs were popping up all over the place increasing the tension of a jewish rebellion. Which occured later on, with even one of the jewish leaders being hailed as a messiah himself (Simon bar Kosiba).


So, After the bible was re-written and 125 parts were removed,

125 parts? Parts of what? The bible was pieced together (canonized) starting at I believe 170 CE, the list of books being finished around 405 CE and having the bible officially 'closed' at around the 1500s. Books that aren't part of the 'official' bible can be found in the Apocrypha or other early christian writtings could be found in the Gnostic Bible.
The bible has been re-written due to translation.


we found that the jewish people were gods chosen.

The Jews were established as God's chosen people with the tale of Abraham...


Ever try to touch a hisidic jew? they will cut in front of you in line and run you down not thinking one iota about your life. God would never choose a people that were that "self rightous". Think about it.....


I thought about it and the only conclusion I came up with is that you're an ignorant prick. Was that what you were hinting towards? God and self-righteousness? hmmm...Have you even read the OT?


But I know what I see, I see the things foretold in the scriptures happening right now


The funny thing about our imagination is that we can interpret and make up things that aren't actually meant to be. For instance look at people reading too much into the Revenge of the Sith and comparing it to America and their war on Iraq. The creators had no intention of symbolizing that, yet people use it as an allegory for their own purposes.


Remember, most of Israel choose to rebel against him

I don't recall all the jews hating Jesus, only a certain faction.

[DaSoviet]

Those who believe in God truly, will be taken up with the rapture. The 144,000 jews are left to preach to those who still don't believe after the rapture. The reason that they are converted is because they have just witnessed the rapture, and millions of people disappearing. But even then millions still will deny Jesus.

I think.

[PuritynTruthinHim]

The comment about Israel's rebellion was about Israel's history NOT a specific time...have YOU read the OT!?

[~Mystic~]

Thank you, Dark Ace for restoring my faith in the human race...I had been reading this thread long enough to start thinking there was no more intelligent life here. ;)



Wow you guys need to lay down on these rapture fiction novels and pick up an actual history book so you stop making up such pseudo history.



The bible didn't exist in "Jesus's time".



Catholic leaders? Heh, I don't think I even have to comment on the abusurdity of that...but moving on, the romans had Jesus executed. Why? Not because he had too much power (or any at all for that matter), but the romans were fearing a rebellion. Especially around this time when the jews held such high Messianic beliefs and expectations, messiahs were popping up all over the place increasing the tension of a jewish rebellion. Which occured later on, with even one of the jewish leaders being hailed as a messiah himself (Simon bar Kosiba).



125 parts? Parts of what? The bible was pieced together (canonized) starting at I believe 170 CE, the list of books being finished around 405 CE and having the bible officially 'closed' at around the 1500s. Books that aren't part of the 'official' bible can be found in the Apocrypha or other early christian writtings could be found in the Gnostic Bible.
The bible has been re-written due to translation.



The Jews were established as God's chosen people with the tale of Abraham...



I thought about it and the only conclusion I came up with is that you're an ignorant prick. Was that what you were hinting towards? God and self-righteousness? hmmm...Have you even read the OT?



The funny thing about our imagination is that we can interpret and make up things that aren't actually meant to be. For instance look at people reading too much into the Revenge of the Sith and comparing it to America and their war on Iraq. The creators had no intention of symbolizing that, yet people use it as an allegory for their own purposes.



I don't recall all the jews hating Jesus, only a certain faction.

[jeffweeder]

The 144,000 are 12,000 from each of the 12 tribes of Israel--so they are Israelis and Jews.
But it is a symbolic number meaning the sum total of all saved Israel.
Jesus chose 12 disciples from among the lost sheep of Israel, to be a witness to the whole world.
Later on in that chapter --during the Gospel age-- the saved turns out to be so large that no-one can count them, and they are from every nation / tribe.


REV 7
And I heard the number of those who were sealed, one hundred and forty-four thousand sealed from every tribe of the sons of Israel



After these things I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no one could count, from every nation and all tribes and peoples and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed in white robes, and palm branches were in their hands;
10 and they cry out with a loud voice, saying,
"Salvation to our God who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb."



Then one of the elders answered, saying to me, "These who are clothed in the white robes, who are they, and where have they come from?"
14 I said to him, "My lord, you know." And he said to me, "These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
15 "For this reason, they are before the throne of God; and they serve Him day and night in His temple; and He who sits on the throne will spread His tabernacle over them.
16 "They will hunger no longer, nor thirst anymore; nor will the sun beat down on them, nor any heat;
17 for the Lamb in the center of the throne will be their shepherd, and will guide them to springs of the water of life; and God will wipe every tear from their eyes."

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[AnneOminous]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jEC_8BjLQoE

[jeffweeder]

Oh great ...a u tube......im on dial up connection man...dont download this crap.
got somethin to say you say it....please.
Want to make a connection....yopu tyube it..ok