View Full Version : "Spear Of Destiny" What do you think? Real, Fake? Religous? German...etc?
Jul 20th, 2005, 2:10 AM
Well there "General" story i hear is the Spear of Destiny is the object that poked jesus when he was on the cross and that during WW2 Adolf Hitlers had an obsession with the "Occult". During that time he was trying to find it to unleash its power. Of course he was trying to find ANY item from any relilgion or occult that had "power".
But the point of this topic is to ask everyone on there opinions such as:
Is the SOD Real or Fake?
Did Hitler find it(he supposedly did)? If not then where is it?
If hitled foud it where is it now?
Where did the SOD story come from? (most say its a Catholic thing)
Does it or doesnt it do anything?
And what your thoughts on the SOD?
Me? Well i think its real, but has no power, its just a spear. But thats all ill say. And lets stick to the topic and not get into whether or not JESUS existed. There are other topics for that. Even though this has to do with it you can simply say (if you dont believe in him or whatever) "SOD doesnt exist because God doesnt exist", no need for long posts about WHY god doesnt exists....or arguments for that matter.
Jul 20th, 2005, 10:08 AM
Ok, looking at this logically, I would estimate that the spear would have been constructed out of yew, ash, palm, or cedar. And I dont think any of these would last 2000 years. Let alone the facts that
a) It was used by a Roman soldier. After he allegedly poked the christ with it, he probably walked off, and wiped the spear clean and carried it around as a armament. To him it was just another spear that was used to kill a criminal. It probably saw life as a normal spear.
b) How would any christians got ahold of it? If it belonged to a soldier and it was a sin to steal, then how could they have stole it? Especialy after their savior just died? I would have considered it an evil artifact if it just killed my messiah. I wouldn't have touched it!
Jul 20th, 2005, 1:08 PM
Does anybody here remember that short-lived television series from 1997 called "Roar" that starred Heath Ledger and centered around a group of people fighting against the Roman expansion into Britain? There was a great villain who was the actual Roman soldier who poked Jesus while he was on the cross and was subsequently cursed to eternal life. I say cursed because this character became sick of living so long and he constantly was searching for some way to kill himself. The only way that he could be killed was with the same spear that he had used to poke Jesus. Cool stuff...
BTW, NICE signature photo, Assassin!!! LOL!!! It would be even better if you had a picture of Paul Newman holding that book up...
Jul 20th, 2005, 7:40 PM
Even if this spear were found, there would be no way of knowing if it were in the fact the spear that poked jesus...thats a ridiculous question...let me clear up any suspicion that you might have had as to whether or not it could be found. The year, 0. An man we don't know existed was killed with a weapon we can't find. The guard we dont know existed had this weapon. He poked the man we dont know existed, and a few other people we dont know existed as well, just for good measure. Just to show you HOW ridiculous this is, let's assume the the guard was in his last year as such. He uses this spear to poke jesus, then kill 2 people with it. pokes a couple more people. Makes his way back to his house that we can assume he has (but cant confirm) and props his spear up on a wall...the man dies in his sleep. 2 frickin thousand years later, magically, this spear is still in one piece, and we find it. "OMG its the spear of destiny," they'll say. It's a miracle! but wait kids, there's more. How do we know it was used on Jesus? WELL SIMPLE my dear boy. we'll just do some DNA testing and...oh wait...we dont have jesus' DNA...well, then we'll just look at the carbon dating! great idea! now you've proven that its old...aaaand nothing else. my point being, there is no way to be sure it was the spear that poked jesus...this is nonsensicle...
Jul 21st, 2005, 12:42 AM
look up Thule Gesselschaft (Deutsche)
also, I believe the name of the soldier was Marcus Longinus - I am not sure of my source and can't be bothered looking it up myself.
once upon a time I was fascinated by this topic...
Jul 21st, 2005, 12:49 AM
Uh... one thing I should point out is that we do actually know Jesus existed. I'm not being dogmatic here - anthropological studies have shown that Jesus of Nazareth did travel around that general area with a sect of ten to twelve followers. Just thought that deserved a mention.
Secondly, are you sure this is such an issue? I mean, assume that this spear is still around from that era. That means we have a yew spear, carbon-dated to the time around Jesus' death - maybe I'm crazy, but doesn't that sorta at least hint at some weirdness? And if it does have some sort of occult power... I'm not saying that's a definate proof positive, but for me that would be enough to at least hint it was the Spear of Destiny.
Edit: Gah! That was directed at Sixshotsoneheart. DAMN YOU, MEZURASHI!
Jul 21st, 2005, 1:26 AM
Wasn't that a character from Life of Brian?
Jul 21st, 2005, 4:37 AM
I cannot see anything divine with a spear. Any one heard of that cloth who was told to be the cloth they wrapped Jesus in when they carried him away? It was a fake, unless Jesus lived in the 1300:s.
Jul 21st, 2005, 9:00 AM
Wasn't that a character from Life of Brian?
is that where I got the name? lol, very likely my subconscious transposed the two - but the only name I remember as a Roman Centurion's was Biggus Dickus (and just try watching That Scene without laughing).
A little thinking reminded me there is a book called The Spear Of Destiny which examines the whole Spear that Killed Christ thing and the realtionship of this myth structure with the Nazi's and Hitler's whole occult thing.
And maybe the rock band Nazareth had something to do with it...
Jul 26th, 2005, 2:22 AM
Although it is next to impossible to prove whether the Spear of Destiny was a real artifact, even if it was, chances are that it does not exsist anymore. If a Roman soldier had pierced the body of Christ with his spear, he would have thought it was no big deal, continue to carry the spear until it could no longer be used, and then get rid of it in favor of a new one. The shaft was also probably made of wood, which means it would have decayed a long time ago. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spear_of_Destiny
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