How will America respond to nuclear attacks?

[MyMindIsGlowing]

For years I have believed that if we were attacked with nuclear weapons, we would launch ours and that would be the end of the world.

Now the threat of Islamic terrorist who do not claim a country could attack major cities in the US. I take it we wouldn't launch any Nuclear warheads because there is not designated target.

Does America sit around as millions of its civilians die? America could be over tomorrow and the rest of the world survives, as crazy as that sounds....

What would our governments reaction be, besides having our top leader seek shelter underground well millions die?

Why has Russia taken steps to build underground cities for its civilians and the richest, most powerful country has not?

[Dhanishta]

All the major countries have got undergrpund bases or cities but only for their elite - ie; those who can govern and fix things etc. The average citizen will probably be denied the opportunity to survive underground during a nuclear war. Most will just have to take their chances up above and hope for the best... Dont be lulled into a sense of false security that our leaders are adept at presenting. It has also come to my attention that there is not enough vaccinations for all world citizens in the event of small pox or other biological diseases. It will be the leaders families and elite who will be given such vaccinations - not the poor person on the street - OR - {to coin an American phrase - the useless eaters -}. Think carefully then. Do you really think our best interests will be considered ? I think millions will die in a nuclear war. Less people=the use of less resources....This is their mentallity!

[PsychicKid]

Our government, given how smart it is, would probably launch its arsenel right back, the result being a never ending chaing of "A country attacking B because B attacked C" nuclear strikes, resulting in the destruction of most of the world's powerhouses. Yeah, we won't have a hope in Hell, especially since Hell will be on Earth now what with the sudden temperature influx in various places from the bombs going off, then down to the 9th layer when everything goes winter on us.

[shawnee]

Sweden and Switzerland do provide for their citizens; Russia and China educate their people on how to survive and build shelter for their people. We are in the worse position; no one addresses this issue, we are the only country to have already used these weapons, rightly or wrongly, and "prohibitive cost" is the excuse I received from both my Senator and Congressman for education and shelter. Too alarming to population - send an alarmist message, bla bla bla.This is viewed as a polical "hot potato" by our representatives. Better off to buy Cresson Kearny's "Nuclear War Survival Skills", make sure you have a reliable water source in case of EMP, stock up and wait. You know it's coming like a global train wreck, and everybody seems to forget, that's one genie won't fit back in the bottle when it's loose. MAD my ass, everyone knows the first one to shoot wins due to EMP. Nothing anybody has is designed to work after EMP release. As for terrorist strike, I readily believe THIS administration would "send a message" to native country of terrorists by "a series of
selective strikes" against said country. Sobering and depressing thought...

[MyMindIsGlowing]

yes, but what country would we bomb? These are individuals who are all over the world. If we launch at Iraq or any Middle East country just because a few terrorist attacked us.....


Example

Just because a few Christians set off a Nuke in Iran doesn't mean that the Amrican government was behind it. Should Iran Nuke us because of a few? Just looking at this from all sides.

We can't just blow up the world, can we? I am sure we can but I don’t understand how we can respond like that. Just because a radical group from Europe Nukes America doesn’t mean we Nuke all of Europe, does it?

Would we even fight back with Nukes.

[Lord Cyro]

We can't just blow up the world, can we? I am sure we can but I don’t understand how we can respond like that. Just because a radical group from Europe Nukes America doesn’t mean we Nuke all of Europe, does it?

Would we even fight back with Nukes.

Yes, unfortuanetly at least with this madman W. at our helm I fully believe that any nuclear threat would be met with a "preemptive strike." If there was no warning, being the glorious superpower (sic) we are (the US) a full retaliation would be ordered. A country of origin would be invented, tedious links would be shown to the bad guy of the moment and 100 kilotons would be headed there way. EMP's are only effective if the nuclear device is detonated high above the ground which is a fairly unlikely scenario considering most nations have anti-missile programs. It would probably either be dropped from a plane or brought in on land.

And for the record, the US has A LOT of underground bunkers ready and waiting for the holocaust to begin. Mostly these are located in the mid to far West but northern New England has its share also.

[MyMindIsGlowing]

Yes, unfortuanetly at least with this madman W. at our helm I fully believe that any nuclear threat would be met with a "preemptive strike." If there was no warning, being the glorious superpower (sic) we are (the US) a full retaliation would be ordered. A country of origin would be invented, tedious links would be shown to the bad guy of the moment and 100 kilotons would be headed there way. EMP's are only effective if the nuclear device is detonated high above the ground which is a fairly unlikely scenario considering most nations have anti-missile programs. It would probably either be dropped from a plane or brought in on land.

And for the record, the US has A LOT of underground bunkers ready and waiting for the holocaust to begin. Mostly these are located in the mid to far West but northern New England has its share also.

Makes sense, I agree on ever thing you just said and I have to point out the W. comment as well, :)

I don't know if I really would want to be around if it was that bad. Live in the ground and know what just happened. I found this Link (http://www.fas.org/main/content.jsp?formAction=297&contentId=367) Nuclear Weapon Effects Calculator. Fist I think Osama knows better but life will go on if these were ever used. It would crush America but we could survive above ground. If one were used in Miami, people in Jacksonville would be fine except for the mass movement of people heading north. Of course if many were used... different story.

If one ever did go off, I wonder what the reaction would be towards Muslims and Middle Eastern people in America would be?

Thoughts of WWII, the Japanize who were put into camps here in AMerica or would normal citizens put the laws into their own hands? Would we understand it is only a few or would we round Middle Eastern people up and send them out of the country. What do you think are government would do if anything?

[Protostar]

You can blame the government if you want to.
When I ask people this question the general response is:
I dont want to think about this, I have children.
And I say oh, so then you'll probably take them by the hand
and go look outside to see what the big flash in the sky was
then you can be treated to a heat wave disintegrating you
because you didnt have time to think about it.
There goes your population, not because of the government
but because of ignorance.

[MyMindIsGlowing]

I don't blame him 100% but he isn't the best president we ever had. I wont get into it, he does some good. Terror would be here even if Bush was not, the war in Iraq didn't help things and may have escaladed things.

I agree with you, I try and talk about this on a few forums and in-person with people and it's like their brain shuts down, it could never happen to them. What really sucks is I try and find others views and not many have views on the subject. I know it's not an easy thing to think about but everyone should think about it and have a plan.

I'm just trying to learn but....

[2cool4stats]

For years I have believed that if we were attacked with nuclear weapons, we would launch ours and that would be the end of the world.

Now the threat of Islamic terrorist who do not claim a country could attack major cities in the US. I take it we wouldn't launch any Nuclear warheads because there is not designated target.
Have you ever considered that the United States government would be more than likely the instigator of a nuclear attack instead of the retaliator? Point is, U.S. intelligence is well capable of overseeing countless hostile contingencies regarding nuclear weapons proliferation throughout the globe. All the intelligence capabilities of the rogue terrorist networks are really not of the same sophistication, caliber, and rate of advancement of that belonging to America and her allies. All such hostile contingencies are in fact, highly avoidable because the U.S. and her allies are constantly intertwined with superior intelligence technologies. This is of course absolutely necessary to ensure not just the safety of many nations, but unfortunately and perhaps primarily to oversee and intercept financial transactions from global corporations as well.

Now I could very easily point out in high detail as to why my statements are accurate to the real world, however if you were to track my various posts from time to time as they address other topics in these boards you will gain an understanding of the dynamics of U.S. politics and America's foreign relations as they relate to economics, corporate affairs, and military operations. I also have emphasized on the great diplomatic difference maker that the U.S. utilizes in the form of her pre-emptive war policies.

Now if you were to reciprocate U.S. pre-emption, her ongoing foreign Psychological Operations (Psyops), the many bilateral treaties that she has created, the resource attributes of the general global regions in which many of those allied countries have agreed with the U.S. through mutual bilateralism, the rival nations that threaten the dominance of America's clout in the WTO (World Trade Organization), IMF (Internationl Monetary Fund), WBG (World Bank Group), countless NGOs (Non-Governmental Organizations -- many of which have been manipulated for profit corporations), you will get a clear picture on Corporate America's intent on economic globalization.

To give you a perspective on the capabilities of U.S. intelligence operations, it's essential to broadly address America's space-based signals intelligence systems. The Desert Star for example, is a high altitude geo-stationary system of satellites (Chalet and Magnum systems) combined with low altitude "white cloud" ocean naval surveillance satellites, and sub-satellites aka "key-holes". What's intriguing about Desert Star is that it is one of the primary intelligence systems still operational in overseeing Middle Eastern affairs (including non-combat activity and weapons proliferation). Since 1991, the Desert Star has undergone significant upgrades I can assure you. And what exactly do terrorists have to counter this? Nothing worth mentioning of course.

Now since 1987 the U.S. has commissioned at least 92 military satellites into space (electronic intelligence: 6, early warning: 3, photographic reconnaissance: 3, navigation: 9, meteorology: 7, earth monitoring: 1, communications: 63). Communications operations (Comint) involve the covert interception of foreign communications (anti-satellite contrivances). "Comint" is a vast network that is supposed to bring forth information on diplomatic, economic, social, and scientific developments. Another name for North America's "Comint" is "Echelon".

Echelon is primarily used by America's NSA (founded in 1952) and the entire USSS (United States Sigint System), UK's MI6 and her entire GCHQ, Canada's CSIS and her entire CSE, and Australia's DSD). This communication alliance was formed in 1948 and as a result, the UKUSA Intelligence Act for Echelon was created. Of course there are at least 30 other nations (not involved with UKUSA) that are also utilizing "Sigints" of their own. Russia for example, has a Comint known as FAPSI (which is the largest in the world mind you -- a total of 125 space satellites, 73 of which are communication satellites). I also want to note that Israel and China are also intermittently involved with the UKUSA.

Ever hear of Operation Shamrock? It is an operation that began on 1945 and is conducted by the NSA to configure and manipulate cable traffic systems from all the major cable companies across the globe in order to intercept international communications. Former NSA Director Lt. General Lew Allen admitted this himself at the Pike Commitee (1975). He of course also admitted these words: "messages to and from American citizens have been picked up in the course of gathering foreign intelligence". Not only that but the Department of Justice had actually gathered evidence (1980) of the crimes instigated by the NSA upon its espionage on American citizens. The evidence that the department obtained included the NSA's interception of aural / non-aural international communications, and the receipt of Shamrock's cable traffic (GCHQ's acquisition of Telex and the International Leased Carrier -- ILC).

Do you know about the "Black Budget"? The NSA's budget was authorized through the Central Intelligence Act in 1949. It is a secret spending policy that authorizes any high level branch of the U.S. government to allocate funds to the CIA above the law. In fact ~ $ 10 billion (yearly) is transferred into the NSA through the black budget policy. It is because of this policy that the NSA is continuing to be funded for the purposes of spying on everyday Americans, big business tycoons, political leaders, and military affairs all across the globe. You see what makes the NSA (formerly known as the AFSA -- Armed Forces Security Agency) more powerful than the FBI and CIA is that it doesn't need a warrant to monitor and intercept information.

It's also important to be aware of the cryptology technologies that the NSA uses. Cryptology is the science of deciphering secret information as well as ciphering them. You see the U.S. and NATO have been responsible for the exporting of such technologies to international allies for the purposes of intercepting the developments of rival militaries and their weapons development programs. Most policies concerning cryptology exportation and distribution are heavily influenced by America, France, Canada, and U.K. That being said, Russia's cryptology capabilities are also state of the art. In my opinion and as a closing statement, I will have to say that the rogue terrorists factions that you fear of -- such as Al-Qaeda -- are in truth, non-factors unless of course, such networks are also intertwined with highly classified Allied operations.

[nrj]

No offense to you americans, but doesn't history tells us that almost every single attack on your soil, ends with you beating the crap out of them at their soil? I think the U.S. would not even hesitate to launch. They might try to shoot the missiles down, but the missiles defense systems are not even proven to work. I see it as if there are two ways a nuclear attack on America would end:
1. America shoots down the missiles, and takes the country down through convential warfare.

2. The defense systems fails, and America launch a nuclear attack on the attacking nation.

[Protostar]

My mind is glowing, I want to say that you are taking the steps in the right direction by researching. And the forum here is great to discuss what ya learn because you can ask questions and get some different views on things. I've found that it is my "spiritual" duty (in that I mean for myself and my being) to discuss and learn all that I can now so that in the future I can multi-task when the goin' gets
rough and not have my head up my rump grumbling about my situation.
*****SHARE KNOWLEDGE*****

[Dagger[X]]

I belive that there is going to be some kind of nuclear attack on American (USA) soil within a near future, these "events" (waco-oklahoma-9/11) have always been a lot stronger than the earlier one to shock the public into submission.
The next attack will be limited to one, maybe two cities, after that USA as you know it will be gone, elections postponed indefinetly, bye bye constitution, internmentcamps for everyone who are terror suspects (i.e. thos who ask to many questions), definetly no internet.
I hope im wrong about this.

[Mezurashi]

The list of options for the US Gov't's response would have to be anchored to the circumstances. What kind of nuclear attack are we talking about here? A single Pony bomb taking out a major port or state capitol? A coordinated effort with more than one nuke? Or a medium-yield device stolen from some 'forgotten' stockpile used to take out some significant city?

And what if the Powers that be decide to use this as an excuse not for a Nuclear Retaliatory Strike (which the UN World Court might allow under the eye for an eye principle) but to show 'restraint' by not going nuclear and instead launching a massive, full scale Conventional Response and sending everything they got anywhere they want because, hey, they got nuked.

I personally bellieve that the US military has already advanced to the point where they really don't need nukes anymore, other than as 'The Last Argument Of Kings' solution to a problem. In between the F-22 Raptor, the GlobeStar, the huge network of military spyeyes and recon sats, drones that can fly better than human pilots and so forth there isn't a need to yank out the really huge artillery. One examination of the publically available video's of the military tests for the Daisy Cutter FAE anti-personnel device was all I needed to reach this conclusion.

Maybe there will be a 'terrorist' nuke deployed in CONUS this decade - it would provide a perfect excuse to step things up a notch...

[PsychicKid]

Might I ask, what is CONUS?

[Mezurashi]

Might I ask, what is CONUS?

sorry, it stands for CONtinental United States

[PsychicKid]

Ahh. I havn't referred to the continental United States referred to that as before. Thanks.

[Dhanishta]

']I belive that there is going to be some kind of nuclear attack on American (USA) soil within a near future, these "events" (waco-oklahoma-9/11) have always been a lot stronger than the earlier one to shock the public into submission.
The next attack will be limited to one, maybe two cities, after that USA as you know it will be gone, elections postponed indefinetly, bye bye constitution, internmentcamps for everyone who are terror suspects (i.e. thos who ask to many questions), definetly no internet.
I hope im wrong about this.

I belive that there is going to be some kind of nuclear attack on American (USA) soil within a near future..... Well the'yre asking for it arent they? Good ole USA has got to stop poking its nose in other countries affairs as that makes others mad! Play music and love all is the best advice to the US govt....... :jamn:

[MyMindIsGlowing]

You mean like enforcing our laws on Canadain citizens?

Read the article below. My question is, If I put down China's Government, their leader and everything about China in the worst possiable way. Can China demand America turn me over for breaking their laws, "No freedom of speech"? Read this article and see how we OWN Canada and the rest of the world.



Link to this article (http://www.cannabisculture.com/articles/4466.html)

(this was also on Headline News, www.norml.org etc...)

Emery empire raided at request of United States

Canadian police acting under orders from US officials raided the headquarters of the British Columbia Marijuana Party (BCMP) in Vancouver on the morning of Friday, July 22.

The search warrants were authorized at the highest levels of the provincial government in concert with a cross-border US-Canada law enforcement pact created by a US-authored Mutual Legal Assistance in Criminal Matters treaty (MLAT) between the US and Canada.

The US has issued extradition orders for Marc Emery, who was arrested while traveling in Halifax to a hemp festival; two other Emery associates, including the media icon known as "Marijuana Man," were arrested in Vancouver.

Emery’s arrest was coordinated by Vancouver and Halifax drug agents working together with RCMP (Mounties) and DEA to surveil Emery’s cross-country movements minute by minute, according to statements made by Halifax police officials.

US officials claim that the investigation that led to the raid and arrests involved 50 DEA offices in many US states, as well as local and federal Canadian police forces.

In a major press conference held in Seattle, American officials accused Emery of "conspiracy to produce marijuana and distribute marijuana seeds, and money laundering."

The DEA and other agencies are claiming that by selling seeds to pot-growing Americans, Emery engaged in a criminal enterprise with the growers. In the eyes of his accusers, providing marijuana seeds is the same as selling marijuana produced from those seeds.

I had to cut a lot off, click on link to read full article

[Mezurashi]

I saw the above article on Marc Emery and I have met the man in person at various rallies in Vancouver and at the Cafe he used to run years ago. I can say unconditionally that whatever his moral character or political beliefs, he seemed very much a self-possessed asshole from my experiences. So when I say that what happened is both wrong and frightening - I mean it. If Emery had been busted by Canadian cops I wouldn't give a shit.

I'd like to raise an interesting question which I have been mulling - What is being Covered Up or requires this form of Distraction?

it would have to involve Canada/US border and jurisdictional situations. what with the Ban on Canadian Beef being lifted, the timing of this event makes me wonder.

Maybe the US Gov't is getting ready to evacuate population in all directions once the shit hits the fan. If enough nukes start going off everyone will run in all directions possible, so the Gov't will have set up moles or 'inserts' at all border crossings to ensure that the gates get slammed way open when needed.

If I start seeing articles about Feds busting other minor activists in Mexico or Western Africa I'll start worrying...

[MyMindIsGlowing]

It's scary to know the USA can arrest people in other countries for breaking our laws even when the person is not breaking the laws in there own country.

[Lord Cyro]

Interesting point raised. If nuclear action were taken against the US it might very well lead to an ensuing conventional war. Lets face it people, the United States takes every opportunity given us to reach out and "help people be free" (as Cheney put it) but in reality we see that this is nothing more then a tactic to slowly begin assimilating the rest of the world into our ways of existence. Given the proper time and no "real" threats (foreign invasion on a massive scale, large nuclear/bio/chem catastrophes, or acts of god) we will do everything in our power to take over the world. Our species is running out of renewable energy sources, so we just take over countries that still have some. A large-scale catastrophe such as a nuclear attack would be the perfect begin to a theater of war that would lead us across the globe chasing "terrorists" and those who harbor them. Systematically taking over nation after nation until all rest peaceful under the flag of democracy. This is our twisted logic, warped by so many years in front of the tv mindlessly consuming all that is offered.
We are walking the path of the Great Empires before us, Rome, Atlantis, the USSR, Nazi Germany, need I name more? And yes, one day (soon I fear) our end will come. We shall fall like all before us. And yes again, when we go done the rest of the world will more then likely come to. Imagine a power-drunk Cesare with all the above-mentioned weaponry (not to mention the stuff we don't even know about) and his finger on the button. If you've lost all else, why not make the ones who took it pay?
Freedom is just another word for nothing left to loose.

[MyMindIsGlowing]

I never thought of America being an Empire, we never attack to gain land, what are these fools talking about. I see the big picture now, we don't need land, we need control and other countries will be governed by America or we will starve them with sanctions until they give in


http://www.cannabisculture.com/library/images/uploads/4470-UScanpuppet.jpg
It's scary to know the USA can arrest people in other countries for breaking our laws even when the person is not breaking the laws in there own country.

[shrike]

1984

FROM THE PUBLISHER
George Orwell's prophetic, nightmarish vision of "Negative Utopia" is timelier than ever-and its warnings more powerful.

Author Biography:
SYNOPSIS
Winston Smith is a low-ranking member of the ruling Party in London, in the nation of Oceania. Everywhere Winston goes, even his own home, the Party watches him through telescreens; everywhere he looks he sees the face of the Party's seemingly omniscient leader, a figure known only as Big Brother. The Party controls everything in Oceania, even the people's history and language. Currently, the Party is forcing the implementation of an invented language called Newspeak, which attempts to prevent political rebellion by eliminating all words related to it. Even thinking rebellious thoughts is illegal. Such thoughtcrime is, in fact, the worst of all crimes.

As the novel opens, Winston feels frustrated by the oppression and rigid control of the Party, which prohibits free thought, sex, and any expression of individuality. Winston dislikes the party and has illegally purchased a diary in which to write his criminal thoughts. He has also become fixated on a powerful Party member named O'Brien, whom Winston believes is a secret member of the Brotherhood—the mysterious, legendary group that works to overthrow the Party.

Winston works in the Ministry of Truth, where he alters historical records to fit the needs of the Party. He notices a coworker, a beautiful dark-haired girl, staring at him, and worries that she is an informant who will turn him in for his thoughtcrime. He is troubled by the Party's control of history: the Party claims that Oceania has always been allied with Eastasia in a war against Eurasia, but Winston seems to recall a time when this was not true. The Party also claims that Emmanuel Goldstein, the alleged leader of the Brotherhood, is the most dangerous man alive, but this does not seem plausible to Winston. Winston spends his evenings wandering through the poorest neighborhoods in London, where the proletarians, or proles, live squalid lives, relatively free of Party monitoring.

One day, Winston receives a note from the dark-haired girl that reads "I love you." She tells him her name, Julia, and they begin a covert affair, always on the lookout for signs of Party monitoring. Eventually they rent a room above the secondhand store in the prole district where Winston bought the diary. This relationship lasts for some time. Winston is sure that they will be caught and punished sooner or later (the fatalistic Winston knows that he has been doomed since he wrote his first diary entry), while Julia is more pragmatic and optimistic. As Winston's affair with Julia progresses, his hatred for the Party grows more and more intense. At last, he receives the message that he has been waiting for: O'Brien wants to see him.

Winston and Julia travel to O'Brien's luxurious apartment. As a member of the powerful Inner Party (Winston belongs to the Outer Party), O'Brien leads a life of luxury that Winston can only imagine. O'Brien confirms to Winston and Julia that, like them, he hates the Party, and says that he works against it as a member of the Brotherhood. He indoctrinates Winston and Julia into the Brotherhood, and gives Winston a copy of Emmanuel Goldstein's book, the manifesto of the Brotherhood. Winston reads the book—an amalgam of several forms of class-based twentieth-century social theory—to Julia in the room above the store. Suddenly, soldiers barge in and seize them. Mr. Charrington, the proprietor of the store, is revealed as having been a member of the Thought Police all along.

Torn away from Julia and taken to a place called the Ministry of Love, Winston finds that O'Brien, too, is a Party spy who simply pretended to be a member of the Brotherhood in order to trap Winston into committing an open act of rebellion against the Party. O'Brien spends months torturing and brainwashing Winston, who struggles to resist. At last, O'Brien sends him to the dreaded Room 101, the final destination for anyone who opposes the Party. Here, O'Brien tells Winston that he will be forced to confront his worst fear. Throughout the novel, Winston has had recurring nightmares about rats; O'Brien now straps a cage full of rats onto Winston's head and prepares to allow the rats to eat his face. Winston snaps, pleading with O'Brien to do it to Julia, not to him.

Giving up Julia is what O'Brien wanted from Winston all along. His spirit broken, Winston is released to the outside world. He meets Julia, but no longer feels anything for her. He has accepted the Party entirely and has learned to love Big Brother
s

[stewey]

Obtaining a nuke is harder than you guys think.

Suitcase nukes are no longer good -- they have a shelf life of 3 years, and the technical know-how to "fix" them is well beyond the reach of most countries, much less a terrorist organization. The radioactive material could best be used for a dirty bomb, but anyone who is afraid of a dirty bomb more than a normal bomb should research it. Dirty bombs have a better chance of killing you in the blast itself than through the radiation.

Normal nukes? I doubt terrorist groups can get them. There is no chance for one to make a nuke, and buying a nuke is easier said than done. Russia has them guarded well enough to prevent a theft. Also good luck smuggling one into the USA. Our borders are porous, but nukes are rather large. Even if you manage to get one into the USA, good luck finding the launch code for that nuke.

[Anarchy]

For any person reading this, getting a nuke would be impossible. For a man with unlimited resources who spends all of his time coming up with a plan to get one...?
Not all nukes in the world are accounted for. The person who has one stashed is not keeping it as a souvenier or relic of the USSR, they inted to sell it/use it... or else wouldn't they report it to the government and get rid of it? When this man and the man with unlimited resources meet do you think the nuke would exchange hands?

[nrj]

What scares me, is not a terrorist organisation getting a nuke, but rather two super powers getting dirty. I mean, if France and the PRC would have a nuclear exchange, the aftermath would be catastrophic. Even if it would be just some minor nukes involve, and a few million casualties, it would be a disaster recorded in history.

[Mezurashi]

The Powder Keg to be worried about is Pakistan and India, they are the closest belligerents who both have a nuclear arsenal.

The 'independent' nuclear attack will most likely be in the Middle East and it will have been a device provided by Israel, even though they 'don't' have any nukes.

France nuking someone would be very un-French. They would most likely 'arrange' to have the nuke 'stolen' and then 'deployed' by 'terrorists.' Funny what that damn DGSE can get up to.

And the Chinese nuclear missile program is based on the 1970's USSR program, and we all know how well the Soviets maintained Their missile silo's...

[Assassin X]

I didnt read all the posts but....

Are you guys crazy?

Im more worried about the US and us using Nukes first.

Everything I've read in the past few years keep saying "U.S. Inventing Nuclear this" , "U.S. planning to use Nuclear that". In a magazine i read they want to use a smaller nuke and use to replace the Bunker Busters. Everything is NUKE NUKE NUKE with the US! I have a feeling the first nuke could be ours... a small one like that Bunker Buster but a country will take it the wrong way and fire a big one at us.

Its funny because were telling every other country to get rid of nukes and what not but then what are we suppose to do with all of ours?

Nuclear Bunkers?
I know it sounds corny but i wish i knew how to build a Nuclear Shelter like they had in the 50's. I even thought of buying and old nuke silo because people like making houses in those! The end of this planet is by the hand of man and with tons of giant mushroom clouds!

[Mezurashi]

Or the US could be playing the 'keeping up with the Joneses' game that Regan played on the old USSR. Kepp everyone else so concerned about nukes that they don't spend any time developing the Next Generation of weapons.

I doubt the US will go Nuclear under anything but the most extreme circumstances. The US has always been about rebuilding as a means of applying indoctrination and a nuke doesn't leave much to rebuild. Firebombing is more efficient and requires less radioactive material.

[PuritynTruthinHim]

You can make your own shelter...go to this site, it tells you how and you can purchase NBC masks also. You would need 3 extra canisters per person to get you threw 3 days. I would also stock 3 days worth of canned goods or something similar and water in case of such a senerio. If you have questions, pm me and I'll try to answer them. I used to be an NBC leader in the military and I am here to tell you YOU DO NOT NEED THE GOVERNMENT!

search around the site, you will find plenty of info:

http://www.terrorismsafetyalliance.org/product.asp?id=40

Use the tabs to surf around in there, good site.

[Danzaman123]

I agree with another dude on here. US or UK would probably launch one first. We'll one day see

[stewey]

You people underestimate how hard it is to get a nuke.

Nukes cost billions of dollars to research how to build. No nation is stupid enough to launch a pre-emptive nuke -- the repercussions would be insane. Terrorist group would only get a nuke by buying one from a nation with them -- Iran and North Korea come to mind, more likely Iran imo.

[pack rat]

I agree with stewy. If a nuke got set off in america, it was from someone from our own country who did it.

[Kohler]

I belive that there is going to be some kind of nuclear attack on American (USA) soil within a near future..... Well the'yre asking for it arent they? Good ole USA has got to stop poking its nose in other countries affairs as that makes others mad! Play music and love all is the best advice to the US govt....... :jamn:

Asking for it? Thats ignorant, don't associate American people with the government. Do you realize just how many Americans are anti-Bush, anti-war; its a miracle he's president. Innocent people never deserve to be attacked, under any circumstances.

[Defiant Noquisi]

If we got nuked I have no doubts that we would somehow "respond" in a similar way. However, I'm with the person/people who have posted that the US is more likely to instigate a bombing.

[Protostar]

Myan Elders Urgent Message Pt 2
here is the exerpt.

from http://www.earthchangestv.com
ECTV Front Page : Breaking News
Follow-up On Carlos Barrios Message

In a follow-up conversation earlier today with Carlos Barrios, Mayan high priest elder, I was told their greatest concern, meaning the gathering of Mayan elders counsel, is to “Watch for water”. I asked if this is something urgent that needs to be expressed tonight. Carlos said it is not something that will unfold in the next 24 hours, but to watch for events in the coming weeks. Carlos did mention “watch the Atlantic”. I thought this odd since the most likely event of a tsunami would be in the Pacific. Perhaps it is not an earthquake initiated tsunami, but may have more to do with the record rain fall. I must say, this is rather confusing and I will be asking more questions to make sure it is not the Pacific which needs more attention.

I was going to put this under Mayan Prophecies but my interpretation is this
is about Invasion from the Atlantic Ocean. (China submarine attack?)
it's just a guess.

here's pt one 2/1/06
ECTV Front Page : Breaking News
Received Urgent Call From Carlos Barrios

I just received a phone call from Carlos Barrios, high priest Mayan elder. Again, he did not go into details at this time, but will do so later today. All I know it has something to do with “escalation”.

[Luxnor]

Interesting. Wonder if it has to do with the volcano at Los Palmos on the Canary Islands. The landslide expected would cause ineffable devastation on the east coast.

[Jake99]

America would respond as incompetently as it did with Katrina, 911, environmental issues, oil consumption, Iraq, Afganistan etc.

If you let me lead you the Nukes and military equipment from all countries will be disassembled and recycled as quickly and openly as possible. Man would never be a factor in wrecking this planet ever again. I am the most competent and efficient, environmentally friendly military and manufacturing leader in all of time. I ask you to review the facts and accomplishments of my leadership demonstrations and compare the results to the facts and accomplishments of all of the worlds leadership demonstrations combined or individually. We are opposites and so are the results of our works. I lead the leagues in creating Peace, Prosperity and Long Life VS GW Bush and the world leaders who lead the league in Deficits, Wars and Destruction.

I believe in posting all jobs that are justifiable on the Internet for open bidding and getting rid of the ones that are not justifiable. Free in home education and use of the Internet. Standardized prices and wages under one simple operating system. It would mean total equality and no need for militaries or salesmen. Medical attention would be free and that includes prescription drugs including recreational ones. Basic food, shelter and clothing for free. I don't need charities, preachers or politicians just a work force that fills the jobs as a Union does. I worked for 21 years as a production and plant manager with the workers of the Teamsters, Bakery Confectionary and Tobacco, Machinists and Office Workers Unions. I had no complaints and neither did they, contracts and regulations kept us all honest and we were the best teams of unified performers this world has experienced. Thats people from all over the globe, most religions working in total harmony where chaos once prevailed, prior to the system changes and leadership I brought to the table and sold for free to them.

The choice is yours. Christ or Anti Christ.

I asked for the surrender of the US many times between 1998 through 2001 in the courtrooms of Massachusetts and its leaders wanted to stay the course. I was beaten, mocked, jailed, abused, tried twice by jury and crucified for breaking no law and I am back again to ask for the support of the believers.

If you want a New World that is what I have specialized in building for many many years with 100% success on a large scale. I put the success rate for GW Bush at a Negative 100% at all levels he has been involved with.

The world has been following Wolves in sheeps clothing since the beginning of time, its is time to cast the Wolves from the system.

[Britannia]

[QUOTE=Assassin X]
I know it sounds corny but i wish i knew how to build a Nuclear Shelter like they had in the 50's.QUOTE]

You could do, but those shelters were atually proven not strong enough against a nuclear blast!

[Protostar]

Hey Brit,
Here's a website that will give information on what to do in case of Nuke Attack
http://www.ki4u.com/guide.htm

the .gov sites have info as well.

[dreamwhiz]

That site is a good one Proto. I have a very bad feeling if we get hit with another terrorist attack, kiss Iraq, Iran and Afghanistan good bye.

[Luxnor]

Apparently, a London company that owns interests in 6 major seaports on the east coast of the US is selling to U.A.E. which have been known to harbor terrorists. If this is allowed to happen it would fall into the category; "What were they thinking?"

[CrimsonPhoenix]

As an American, I have enough faith in our government to feel pretty confident that the U.S. will not launch a nuclear first strike. Why do I feel so certain of this, you ask? The answer is America is one of the most powerful nations in the world, and arguably would have the most to lose in the cataclysm that would ensue should the proverbial "atomic genie" be let out of the bottle once more. Although it is a well-known fact that the United States is the only nation in the world that has made use of an atomic weapon in a wartime application, the current level of nuclear proliferation in the world is such that only a suicidal madman would consider a nuclear first-strike to be a viable option. The fact is that should the nations of the world ever make use of these arsenals, that it would undoubtedly perpetrate a holocaust of almost unimaginable proportions. I am aware that many of the members of this forum have a less than positive opinion of our current commander-in-chief, but I think that most of you would agree that his motivations are more accurately described as attempts to gain more power and control, rather than to lose it.

Now, as confident as I am that the U.S. would not start a nuclear conflict in this day and age, I am equally as confident that our government would not hesitate to finish it. I share the belief that many of you have expressed in this thread, that a nuclear holocaust is likely. I surmise that the most likely scenario in this case, would be that a nuclear weapon will be obtained by a suicidal fundamentalist group, by way of purchase from one of the less govermentally-stable nuclear powers, and will be used against the U.S., who will then retaliate in kind on the suspected suppling nation. This will almost certainly cause a chain-reaction of atomic response from other nations.

Make no mistake about it, the United States is not a paper tiger and has a history of responding with brutal force to perceived agressors. I would not be foolish enough to think that any government would hesitate to cross into nuclear response, if it were first used against them. Nations or groups that think that their agendas can be furthered by a nuclear attack that is perpetrated by a single individual will find themselves in Hell before they even have an inkling of how wrong they were.