American Concentration Camps, REX 84 and FEMA

[whiplash7555]

Some of you must have come across these websites while messing around one day.... It's sorta troublesome to me...

Why are they building all of these facilities and not using them for anything. They are ALL manned and staffed, but theres no residents or occupants. (This despite the over population of most US Prisons) Do any of you find it just a little bit strange that they have camps all over the country, fully stocked and ready to go, but they aren't using them? If you look at some of the pictures, you'll notice that all the barbwire points INWARD to keep whatever they are going to put in there from going anywhere. There are also various observation towers. check points...etc....

Originally these camp were built in order to gain control should an overwhelming amount of illegal alins try to flee / take refuge in our country, but they AREN'T is use for that... and I think it's a cover stroy as to why the camps are there.

What is going to happen that will bring these camps into action. And just who or what are they going to be detaining?

One of my thoughts is that FEMA (Federal Emergency Management Agency) would use these camps to detain large amounts of the population should a national crisis come about. FEMAS power is embedded deeply in the federal registy, and it can pretty much "control" the country with the stroke of the presidential pen.

I look forward to your thoughts.


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[whiplash7555]

Yeah, I knew no one would want to address this topic. <Insert evil laughter here>

[VegasRonin]

<blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>One of my thoughts is that FEMA (Federal Emergency Management Agency) would use these camps to detain large amounts of the population should a national crisis come about.[/quote]
This is exactly their purpose. I recall this being brought up in mainstream news about 6 yrs ago. They serve as emergency detention centers as well as emergency quarantine areas. Scary thought but the official that argues from the government's point of view made a lot of sense. The alternative would be what?

[MetalMilitia]

I came across a site, pretty much on accident... but it reminded me of what I posted before... long ago...

CLICK HERE (http://www.apfn.org/apfn/camps.htm)

Great site with resources... like where these camps are, and what kind of plans they have to implement them. Me, being the paranoid **** I am beleive there is something more sinister going on behind the scenes.

[lotrfan55345]

I thinks because of the oil-crash acomin' and the economic collape acomin
' ... The US will send the unlucky lot the US cannot provide for and send them to these places. (The non-whites)

[Chris4334]

They look like training camps to me...


The non-whites

Ever counted up how many people that is? I don't know exact numbers in the U.S., but Toronto is half non-white, and many surrounding larger towns have a MINORITY white population (Markham etc.,).

If anything it will be the white's turn to be enslaved...but I don't think slavery is in fashion anymore; extermination is in vogue.

[lotrfan55345]

Whoa... What I ment was that the people captured to be in the AMERICAN concentration camps were going to be non-white.

[Chris4334]

My point was that America isn't as white as it likes to think. If it attempted a mass-imprisonment of anyone who is "different", I doubt they would be successful today.

[VegasRonin]

These "Prison Camps", for lack of a real term, don't look very secure. It would take a lot of manpower to secure these sites. They all look pretty ramshackle to me.

[prezhorusin04]

FEMA Protocols (http://www.meta-religion.com/Secret_societies/Conspiracies/FEMA/fema.htm)

INFOWARS/Police State (http://www.infowars.com)

[MetalMilitia]

If they were training camps, they would be in use. Most of these places have a small staff running them, bu they have no day-to-day activities.

It's just something that bothers me...

[VegasRonin]

Let's say Al Qaeda pulls off an attack that's just as big or bigger than 9/11. So the current American Govt. begins to round-up Muslims within the U.S., just like we did during WWII with the Japanese. Now here's the KICKER . Here in America we have an offshoot of true Islam, The Nation of Islam. The Nation of Islam is an all black Religious/political institution. I don't believe in the religion nor do I connect myself to their political agenda but I can't argue with the good they do in the impoverished areas within the black community. Now what do you think would happen if the Govt. decided to apprehend members of the Nation of Islam? I can say, almost with 100 % certainty, that this would ignite a Race War within America. Maybe this is what the camps are for?

[prezhorusin04]

VERY good points Vero...-There are MILLIONS of black Muslims in Amerika..As well as millions of Arabic Muslims...An INSANE part to all of this, is that MANY of these MUSLIMS on both sides, black&Arabic, believe that there will be a Rapture type of event, but it will be beings from another planet that take them, working thru "GOD" (Hmmmm..very conveinient for those ELITES in power cabable of Saucer technology, genetic manipulation, and those in power to STAGE a MASSIVE world event(s)..Devestation and FEAR, with, perhaps coming NEAR 2012, an ECLIPSE OF THE SUN that lasts for many days..

THERE IS A GOOD CHANCE THAT 2012 WAS MEANT TO THROW US OFF FROM A SOONER DATE OF 2008-9.--A HUGE celestial event that only happens every 10,000 years or so.. .(There is great room for error in how often this MAJOR, natural celestial event occures..)--This plays into MARS being in closer proximity to recently then it had been in 60,000 years.-Now VENUS is closer then it has been in a very long time..The MORNING STAR..Both planets reprenting the SAVIOR GOD OF WAR/FIRE, AND THE VIRGIN GODDESS..Both planets as well, SUPPOSEDLY inhabited, along with EARTH, by the SUMERIAN ANUNNAKI GODS..(and it's only coincidence that we're SUPPOSEDLY on MARS now?-This could be the time they are waiting for to "annouce" life on MArs, and perhaps PYRAMIDS.(RAM MEANS FIRE..MARS is RAM backwards.) As well as releasing the information of the SUPPOSED tomb that was discovered between the Sphinx's paws (HALL OF RECORDS) in 1999 by FOX t.v.-The hall of records, that according to Plato, and Edgar Cayce, were to release info of Atlantean and Martian origins.

(VERY elaborate AGENDAS indeed, wouldn't you say, my friends??)

bUT, BACK TO islam, OF COURSE THEY had TO FIND PAGES OF THE kORAN AMIDST THE RECENT spain BOMBING, 911 DAYS AFTER 911.
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aND speaking of the mayan 2012, WE CANT FORGET THE RACE WARS (MARS) OF THE HEATING OPEN BORDERS ISSUE....cAN YOU SEE IT BUBBLE AND RISE TO THE SURFACE, TO SPILL THE "UNWANTED" FORTH FROM THE POT??-tHE BOILING POT WITCHES COULDRON?-CIVIL WAR IS ON THE AGENDA, FAMINE, PLAGUE, DISEASE, JOB LOSS, CONCENTRATION CAMPS, WEATHER CONTROL, EARTHQUAKES,.ALL IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE COMING ECLIPSE..?(Sorry for the cpaslock, i'm not frantic, seriously...!!)

ALL i KNOW IS THAT THIS YEAR, 2004, IS THE MOST IMPORTANT ONE FOR US TO act, YET..tO CHANGE things, even slightly, in a BETTER direction..To have the KNOWLEDGE of questioning, paranoia, and LOGIC..Trusting none of it at face value.. :scatter:

my computer is typing very slow, that is all for now.. :nono:

[prezhorusin04]

America=i Am Race

Great White Brotherhood=george W. Bush.

Great Purification

Angel Of Light

Deceiver

[VegasRonin]

If GWB is to usher in this Great White Brotherhood thingy. Wouldn't they have picked a person that's more charismatic and loveable? One that everyone would look at as a Savior of sorts?

[prezhorusin04]

i bet secretly, and not so secret, there are 100's of millions who DO see GWB as a savior figure of sorts..--Because they TRUST the hidden power that is behind GWB.
In Egypt the hidden power was known as the OGDOAD, and the ENEAD..In Sumeria, the Anunnaki..

[Emerald_Dragon]

>Wouldn't they have picked a person that's more charismatic and loveable?

maybe they [the PTB] wanted to fulfill the acronym/prophecy so bad, that they went with who they had available?

[VegasRonin]

GWB has been successful despite himself. Who knows?

[Emerald_Dragon]

*lol*
you know, maybe he is a genius and fooling the world with his stupid idiot act? he's got me convinced, how could he have the marbles to orchestrate what has transpired in the last 3 years?

[VegasRonin]

You know they say that one of his biggest edges, is that he's continually underestimated.

[dutchie]

You know they say that one of his biggest edges, is that he's continually underestimated.
I read "Stupid White Men", by Mike Moore. Tells tales of horror about GWB. Now I knew he's not scoring too high in the general knowledge department, but that it was THAT bad....

[Emerald_Dragon]

i find that people who are not intelligent, can tend to be very cunning, using what they have, to the detriment of others. using others perceptions of them, as a camouflage to their machinations. to compensate for their intellectual shortcomings, by making others look bad and feel stupid.

maybe thats the case in point?

[lotrfan55345]

This is kinda OT but does Dubya *know* about the PTB and the "Grand Deception" or is he just a puppet. Somehow I think he is not capable of "understanding" the whole scheme of things...

[Emerald_Dragon]

i think he's just doing what he's told and every now and again, he goofs up.

like when he said he saw the 1st plane hit the 1st tower [twice] and still sat in the elementary school reading an upside down childrens story for 20 minutes after Andrew Card told him the 2nd plane hit.

and when they released "actual" footage of his reaction in the next room (when he finally reacted)...and he wore the wrong color suit and tie. (to the re-creation)

[lotrfan55345]

LoL

:rolling:

Dutchie: What did the book say about Dubya?

[prezhorusin04]

Wake Up Fat American Sheeple (Sheep Being Led to the Slaughter)
http://www.hourofthetime.com
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Wake up and smell the "Kofi" folks...

The United Nations New World Order BioCentrist FEMA Pagans have built some wonderful free (temporary) lodging for you Sheeple who want to act like nothing's going on here..

If you refuse to get their Universal I.D. bio-implant (either in your right hand or forehead) and if you refuse to go along with their lovely agenda they have a special place for you.

Can you say "American Death Camps?"

I know it sounds strange, but these are strange times.

Allow me to introduce myself.

I am at least a captain in the National Guard. I can't tell you which state or my true rank as that information surely would become the quick road to my demise.

I have faithfully served my country in Desert Storm and Panama, even though both events had absolutely nothing to do with the National Security safety of this [once] Great Country of ours.

My wife has the same disease I have, and the doctors are still telling me I have the flu.

Does the flu last eight years?

We'll get to that later.

We both are under the age of forty, but we no longer look young.

Nothing can change my mind that, in fact, my superiors (so-called officers and gentlemen) have murdered us.

One of my duties requires me to train through rotation with other units, the ongoing guard staff of various clandestine Prisons that most Americans and over-sight committees do not know exist.

These prisons, or "camps" as we call them, were built for no other purpose than for the common American taxpayer.

I know. I helped build three of them.

Somewhere along the way, I have lost my soul in the process.

I know for a fact that this government of ours plans to turn America into a vast wasteland of proportions that would stagger any imagination.

It is the Pentagon and Wall Street's ambition to create no less than a slave state by the year 2001.

They will do it too- with the media's help, and in many ways, they have already succeeded in destroying our civil liberties and making the middleclass an ancient idea.

How can I say these things? From where do I speak?

A few years ago, I was called to a meeting in Fort Mead to join the augmenting of a unit which would report directly to FEMA in the event of national disaster.

Did we discuss earthquakes, tornadoes, or flooding?

Not on your life.

After obtaining several new written security clearances and after having signed no less than eleven documents- all giving away my life and liberty should I ever speak out- I was let in on the following plan.

Before giving out the structure of this plan, I beg anyone who reads this document to share this with as many people as possible as that is what I consider our last, best hope to reverse the horrible direction this country is going to take very soon.

The outline below is the best that I can remember it from our meetings, as everything was verbal and absolutely nothing was allowed to be written down.

It was made clear to us that all future troop movements, orders, and material would be in "coded" form, that is, words were given to us that meant something other than what they were.

For example, if we needed 150 new prison cells, we didn't call them prison cells.

They became "Cfood units, CIV'.

Given a code sheet, we could then interpret and act upon any written order.

Most would come email over the internet and were to be destroyed once the order was carried out. This was routine policy and is still in effect today.

Outline: FEMA "National Disaster Plan"



Establish a network of prisons to deal with the estimated twenty million Americans who will not go along with the New America. This new country will no longer resemble the USA we all grew up in. It will be a dictatorship vath institutionalized and mandated slave labor.


Schools will no longer teach actual history. The schools of the future will mainly be warehouses for the young. They will teach the party system: that family is dead, and that work is good. Discovering this point made me so violently ill I became incontinent.


Voting will be suspended. Many of us already know that the American vote is a sham. Officers above the rank of Major are well aware of who gives the orders in this country. Not the White House, but the CIA.
The White House and its changing occupant are merely the visible servant of something much darker and the President's sole purpose is to create laws which lower real income, create war states, and keep the military machine running with ever-expanding budgets. I know. I was there at many meetings where foreign policy was dictated by four-star generals.



Gun owners will have their guns taken away, by force if necessary, before many of the plan's major points are made operational.


The enforcers of the plan will be NATO and UN forces working in cooperation with the US Military and headed by the product from the Intel groups and FEMA.


Use the lists compiled by the FBI and NSA and round up all those men and women who have ever showed any inkling whatsoever in the original American Constitution and/or civil rights. This especially includes gun-owners and religious persons.


Using lists obtained from grocery stores and banks, individuals with income spent in stockpiling of goods will also be rounded up and their property absconded.


The Teachings of Hinduism, Christianity, and Islam will be considered anti-American. Pastors, preachers, and holy men and women are to be rounded up for placement in special "re-education" facilities.


The establishment of work colonies and the takeover of the media by the Pentagon.


Free trade of stocks will be frozen and the assets of many individuals outright taken away.


The creation of mass crematoriums in Arizona, Texas, and Washington. The dead will no longer be buried, but will be sent to a place where they will be "cleansed."


The creation of a national police force with complete power. This point, as with many others, has already occurred and the force is now 80% operational.
Friends, there is little more that I can say, except to give you my promise that I will constantly provide as many additional facts as possible to lead you to the truth.

In the meantime, may God help us all in our time of need... -- "Sam"

[lotrfan55345]

...wow... atleast it's good for the Atheists. :Blbl:

[prezhorusin04]

FEMA DEPLOYED ON 9-10-01
http://www.propagandamatrix.com
Devvy Kidd
June 26, 2002

Many months ago, the allegation was made that FEMA had teams in NYC prior to September 11, 2001, thus they had prior knowledge:

From: "Jackie Patru" <jackie@sweetliberty.org
To: Undisclosed-Recipient:@mail.empireaccess.net;
Subject: FEMA -CBS Interview -9-13 - CONFIRMED
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 13:02:28 -0500

"I've had many requests for confirmation of the date on which the CBS-FEMA rescue worker interview was held. Don't know why it hadn't occurred to me before now to do this:

"I pulled out the tape of the September 13th Sweet Liberty broadcast (Steve Jacobson was our guest). On the September 13th broadcast I shared with Steve and our listeners the phone call I'd gotten shortly before air-time, from Patty... a regular listener and source of always credible information, who related the conversation she had heard on CBS with Dan Blather and Tom Kennedy.

"Now... is it a possibility Kennedy's statement was a slip of the tongue? Did he mean Tuesday night instead of Monday night? Yes, it's possible. And if it wasn't a slip of the tongue... if the mistake was in the telling of their deployment to N.Y.C. on late Monday evening, those FEMA rescue team workers will be carrying around a big load right now, along with their families who knew where they went before the bombing of the WTC occurred."

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http://www.infowars.com/resources.html

FEMA In Place before the attacks:

THE DOUBTFUL SLIP-OF-THE TONGUE -- THE TRUTH IS TOLD

"Prior Knowledge: Tom Kennedy, A Member of the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) "National Urban Search and Rescue Team"During an Interview with CBS News anchor Dan Rather Talks about How FEMA Was in Place in NY the Day Before the Attack:


As I have said so many times, "events" like OKC and 9-11 are horrendous in scope. Sometimes it takes a while to sort through rumors and attempt to establish facts. Credibility is everything.

Please notice in the e-mail at the top from Jackie Patru, that it was a caller to her show that makes the allegation that FEMA was in NYC the day before the attack. Jackie is a meticulous researcher and a fine lady, but this rumor apparently started with a call-in to her radio show.

There was an article on this issue by Jon Dougherty who is a journalist for worldnetdaily.com:

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/new...E_ID=25329

November 15, 2001
HOAXBUSTERS

FEMA: No prior knowledge of 9-11

Agency dispels Net rumor, says team didn't arrive in NYC Sept. 10

By Jon Dougherty
2001 WorldNetDaily.com

"The Federal Emergency Management Agency has said it did not have urban search and rescue teams in place in New York City prior to the Sept. 11 attacks, contrary to an Internet-based rumor alleging otherwise.

"WorldNetDaily readers began inquiring whether the government had prior knowledge of the terror attacks a few weeks after they occurred, citing a CBS News interview between anchorman Dan Rather and a FEMA-sponsored search and rescue team spokesman named Tom Kennedy.

"In the interview, Kennedy misspoke when he said he and his team arrived in New York City and were "finally on the ground" and deployed by "Monday night. " If accurate, that would have meant the team arrived Sept. 10 the night before the attacks.

"The attacks on the World Trade Center in New York and on the Pentagon came the next day Tuesday.

"According to a spokesman in the office of Vito Pizzi, who works in FEMA's federal coordination office, a total of 16 teams were put on alert or activated Sept. 11. Two of those teams were sent in to Ground Zero the next day, Sept. 12.

"FEMA officials said Kennedy, in the heat of the moment, misstated his team's arrival date. Kennedy could not be reached for comment.

"In all, FEMA has 22 teams nationwide."

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Based on this one phone call placed during a radio talk show, the alleged pre-911 deployment of FEMA became a fact on dozens of web sites. I continue to say that if you're going to accuse the sitting President of the United States of America and certain individuals in his administration of planning and pulling off 9-11, or prior knowledge and doing nothing to stop the slaughter, you must have facts. There are a million pieces to this puzzle and it's going to take time to sort through it all.

I finally got around to filing a FOIA (Freedom of Information Act) on this specific issue so I could see what may or may not be true about this persistent allegation:

Devvy Kidd
P.O. Box 60543
Sacramento, California 95860

Certified Mail Receipt: 7099 3400 0007 2637 5925
February 19, 2002
Federal Emergency Management Agency
Office of General Counsel
500 C Street, SW, Room 840
Washington, DC 20472
RE: FOIA Request

Dear Ms. Leshan:

This is a request under the Freedom of Information Act (5 U.S.C. §552) and the regulations thereunder. I am more than willing to pay any reasonable research and copies fees for responding to this request; however, if the costs thereof should exceed $100, please inform me in advance of producing the requested documents. I am not a commercial requester and I seek the documents requested below for personal reasons.

On September 13, 2001, a Mr. Tom Kennedy from FEMA explained how his search and rescue operation had been sent to the disaster at the World Trade Center.

Under the FOIA, I am requesting a copy of Mr. Kennedy's deployment/TDY orders for the time period of September 1st through and including September 15, 2001.

I am requesting that this FOIA include copies of any memos, directives or orders relating to his assignment in NYC as it relates to the WTC disaster.

Very truly yours,

Devvy Kidd

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The Bush Administration's agencies, left over civil service employees from the Clinton, Bush and possibly Reagan Administrations, are just as they always have been: Slow, inaccurate and most of the time, refuse to give up the requested information so you have to sue them in Federal District Court. This is especially true since John Ashcroft took over the Department of Injustice. But, I am persistent when I'm seeking the truth, so the dance continues.

Dear Ms. Leshan:

On March 12, 2002, I received a letter from you acknowledging my FOIA request for Tom Kennedy's deployment/TDY orders.

I would like to know the status of my FOIA and how much longer it's going to take to forward me the information I have requested?

Very truly yours,

Devvy Kidd

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I then had an e-mail exchange with the FOIA Specialist handling my request:


Eileen J. Leshan
FOIA/PA Specialist
Office of General Counsel
FEMA
Washington, DC 20472

Re: Case No. 02-112

The last correspondence I received from you was March 12, 2002 regarding my FOIA request. I'ts now June 4, 2002 and I would like to know how much longer it is going to take to complete my request?

Thank you.
Devvy Kidd

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"Leshan, Eileen" wrote:

Mr. Kidd,

I hope to send a response out to you this week.

Sincerely, Eileen J. Leshan
FOIA/PA Specialist
Office of General Counsel
(202) 646-4115
Subject: Status/reply
Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 14:56:50 -0700
From: devvy kidd <wallace@devvy.com>
To: "Leshan, Eileen" <Eileen.Leshan@fema.gov>

Thank you and I look forward to receiving the documents in the mail soon.

Mrs. Kidd

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Despite bringing to Ms. Leshan's attention that I am a Mrs., not a Mr., the letter she sent me is addressed to Mr. Kidd. [click here].

Now, this letter raises some questions in my mind. I guess the problem I have with FEMAs response is that it clashes with the quote in Jon's worldnetdaily.com article cited above. Specifically this statement:

"According to a spokesman in the office of Vito Pizzi, who works in FEMA's federal coordination office, a total of 16 teams were put on alert or activated Sept. 11. Two of those teams were sent in to Ground Zero the next day, Sept. 12."

Now, according to the response I got from FEMA, you can take it one of two ways:

Either Kennedy doesn't work for them, or he was never deployed. The worldnetdaily.com article says the teams were "FEMA-sponsored."

Does that mean Kennedy works for FEMA or some other organization that contracts out for search and rescue?

Either way, when you work for the govmint or do contract work for them, someone has to issue orders for the action about to be undertaken because funds have to be expended. There's always a paper trail.

The only way to get further clarification is to continue the process, which I have done. I attached a copy of Jon Dougherty's article so whoever is handling the appeal will be able to see that the response provided me is incomplete. I also worded my appeal to force the issue of whether or not Tom Kennedy works for FEMA or is he a contractor that does work for FEMA? This is an important distinction.

Does this mean a cover-up by FEMA? At this point I am not going to say one way or the other because the picture is incomplete. I'll have to see what comes back as a result of my appeal. It's very frustrating to sit through this long, drawn out process in obtaining hard facts, but it's the only way to get information verified.

Some facts about FEMA and employees:

http://www.fema.gov/about/history.htm

"Today, FEMA - a 2,500-person agency supplemented by more than 5,000 stand-by disaster reservists - has a mission to lead America to prepare for, prevent, respond to and recover from disasters with a vision of "A Nation Prepared."

For a full picture of FEMA and how it coordinates with states and other federal agencies, see:

http://www.fema.gov/library/fy2002_draft.pdf

[prezhorusin04]

FEMA IN NEW YORK THE NIGHT BEFORE?

Click HERE for a RealAudio recording of a statement made by FEMA spokesman Tom Kenney to Dan Rather, reportedly on Wednesday, September 12th.

In this interview, Tom states that Fema was deployed to New York on Monday night, September 10th, to be ready to go into action on Tuesday morning, September 11th.

Needless to say, this recording has caused quite a stir. The official reaction is that Kenney was simply confused about the dates. However, Kenney is complaining on the recording about not getting full access to the site until "today". Kenney talks about a Monday, a Tuesday, and "today". That's three days. If indeed the above recording was made on Wednesday, September 12th as claimed, then the explanation that Kenney was simply confused about the days doesn't work, because there is one more day than can be accounted for.

Mr. Kenney has since been ordered not to discuss this incident.

[prezhorusin04]

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http://www.abovetopsecret.com
There over 600 prison camps in the United States, all fully operational and ready to receive prisoners. They are all staffed and even surrounded by full-time guards, but they are all empty. These camps are to be operated by FEMA (Federal Emergency Management Agency) should Martial Law need to be implemented in the United States.

The Rex 84 Program was established on the reasoning that if a mass exodus of illegal aliens crossed the Mexican/US border, they would be quickly rounded up and detained in detention centers by FEMA. Rex 84 allowed many military bases to be closed down and to be turned into prisons.

Operation Cable Splicer and Garden Plot are the two sub programs which will be implemented once the Rex 84 program is initiated for its proper purpose. Garden Plot is the program to control the population. Cable Splicer is the program for an orderly takeover of the state and local governments by the federal government. FEMA is the executive arm of the coming police state and thus will head up all operations. The Presidential Executive Orders already listed on the Federal Register also are part of the legal framework for this operation.

The camps all have railroad facilities as well as roads leading to and from the detention facilities. Many also have an airport nearby. The majority of the camps can house a population of 20,000 prisoners. Currently, the largest of these facilities is just outside of Fairbanks, Alaska. The Alaskan facility is a massive mental health facility and can hold approximately 2 million people.


A person named Terry Kings wrote an article on his discoveries of camps
located in southern California. His findings are as follows:
Over the last couple months several of us have investigated three soon-to-be prison camps in the Southern California area. We had heard about these sites and wanted to see them for ourselves.

The first one we observed was in Palmdale, California. It is not operating as a prison at the moment but is masquerading as part of a water facility. Now why would there be a facility of this nature out in the middle of nowhere with absolutely no prisoners? The fences that run for miles around this large facility all point inward, and there are large mounds of dirt and dry moat surrounding the central area so the inside area is not visible from the road. There are 3 large loading docks facing the entrance that can be observed from the road. What are these massive docks going to be loading?

We observed white vans patrolling the area and one came out and greeted us with a friendly wave and followed us until we had driven safely beyond the area. What would have happened had we decided to enter the open gate or ask questions?

This facility is across the street from the Palmdale Water Department. The area around the Water Department has fences pointing outward, to keep people out of this dangerous area so as not to drown. Yet, across the street, the fences all point inward. Why? To keep people in? What people? Who are going to be it’s occupants?

There are also signs posted every 50 feet stating: State of California Trespassing Loitering Forbidden By Law Section 555 California Penal Code.

The sign at the entrance says: Pearblossom Operations and Maintenance Subcenter Receiving Department, 34534 116th Street East. There is also a guard shack located at the entrance.

We didn’t venture into this facility, but did circle around it to see if there was anything else visible from the road. We saw miles of fences with the top points all directed inward. There is a railroad track that runs next to the perimeter of this fenced area. The loading docks are large enough to hold railroad cars.

I wonder what they are planning for this facility? They could easily fit 100,000 people in this area. And who would the occupants be?

Another site is located in Brand Park in Glendale. There are newly constructed fences (all outfitted with new wiring that point inward). The fences surround a dry reservoir. There are also new buildings situated in the area. We questioned the idea that there were four armed military personnel walking the park. Since when does a public park need armed guards?

A third site visited was in the San Fernando Valley, adjacent to the Water District. Again, the area around the actual Water District had fences logically pointing out (to keep people out of the dangerous area). And the rest of the adjacent area which went on for several miles was ringed with fences and barbed wire facing inward (to keep what or who in?) Also, interesting was the fact that the addition to the tops of the fences were fairly new as to not even contain any sign of rust on them. Within the grounds was a huge building that the guard said was a training range for policemen. There were newly constructed roads, new gray military looking buildings, and a landing strip. For what? Police cars were constantly patrolling the several mile perimeter of the area.

From the parking lot of the Odyssey Restaurant a better view could be taken of the area that was hidden from site from the highway. There was an area that contained about 100 black boxes that looked like railroad cars. We had heard that loads of railroad cars have been manufactured in Oregon outfitted with shackles. Would these be of that nature? From our position it was hard to determine.

In searching the Internet, I have discovered that there are about 600 of these prison sites around the country (and more literally popping up overnight do they work all night). They are manned, but yet do not contain prisoners. Why do they need all these non-operating prisons? What are they waiting for? We continuously hear that our current prisons are overcrowded and they are releasing prisoners because of this situation. But what about all these facilities? What are they really for? Why are there armed guards yet no one to protect themselves against? And what is going to be the kick-off point to put these facilities into operation?

What would bring about a situation that would call into effect the need for these new prison facilities? A man-made or natural catastrophe? An earthquake, panic due to Y2K, a massive poisoning, a panic of such dimensions to cause nationwide panic?

Once a major disaster occurs (whether it is a real event or manufactured event does not matter) Martial Law is hurriedly put in place and we are all in the hands of the government agencies (FEMA) who thus portray themselves as our protectors. Yet what happens when we question those in authority and how they are taking away all of our freedoms? Will we be the ones detained in these camp sites? And who are they going to round up? Those with guns? Those who ask questions? Those that want to know what’s really going on? Does that include any of us? The seekers of truth?

When first coming across this information I was in a state of total denial. How could this be? I believed our country was free, and always felt a sense of comfort in knowing that as long as we didn’t hurt others in observing our freedom we were left to ourselves. Ideally we treated everyone with respect and honored their uniqueness and hoped that others did likewise.

It took an intensive year of searching into the hidden politics to discover that we are as free as we believe we are. If we are in denial, we don’t see the signs that are staring at us, but keep our minds turned off and busy with all the mundane affairs of daily life.

We just don’t care enough to find out the real truth, and settle for the hand-fed stories that come our way over the major media sources television, radio, newspaper, and magazines. But it’s too late to turn back to the days of blindfolds and hiding our heads in the sand because the reality is becoming very clear. The time is fast approaching when we will be the ones asking "What happened to our freedom? To our free speech? To our right to protect ourselves and our family? To think as an individual? To express ourselves in whatever way we wish?"

Once we challenge that freedom we find out how free we really are. How many are willing to take up that challenge? Very few indeed, otherwise we wouldn’t find ourselves in the situation that we are in at the present time. We wouldn’t have let things progress and get out of the hands of the public and into the hands of those that seek to keep us under their control no matter what it takes, and that includes the use of force and detainment for those that ask the wrong questions.

Will asking questions be outlawed next? Several instances have recently been reported where those that were asking questions that came too near the untold truth (the cover up) were removed from the press conferences and from the public’s ear. Also, those that wanted to speak to the press were detained and either imprisoned, locked in a psychiatric hospital, slaughtered (through make-believe suicides) or discredited.

Why are we all in denial over these possibilities? Didn’t we hear about prison camps in Germany, and even in the United States during World War II? Japanese individuals were rounded up and placed in determent camps during the duration of the War. Where was their freedom?

You don’t think it could happen to you? Obviously those rounded up and killed didn’t think it could happen to them either. How could decent people have witnessed such atrocities and still said nothing? Are we going to do the same here as they cart off one by one those individuals who are taking a stand for the rights of the citizens as they expose the truth happening behind the scenes? Are we all going to sit there and wonder what happened to this country of ours? Where did we go wrong? How could we let it happen?
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[prezhorusin04]

LOTS More on this subject here:
http://www.apfn.org/apfn/camps.htm

http://www.apfn.org/apfn/con2.jpg

http://www.apfn.org/apfn/con__1.jpg

Some Pictures..

FORT DEVENS, MASS.:

This prison has factory facilities and a water reservoir that has been built around the camp. It was constructed in 1999 and the railroad had to lay tracks into the prison from Canada and Boston. Note the extensive use of razor wire with the fences.

http://www.apfn.org/apfn/ft-devens-mass.jpg

CAMP GRAYLING, MICHIGAN:

This facility is also very well-known to patriots but we include these photos here, as all photos are, to show that it is not a conspiracy theory. The detention center has markers pointing to it from the highways in the surrounding area.

http://www.apfn.org/apfn/camp-grayling1.jpg

FORT DIX, N.J.:

This facility is familiar to veteran patriots. The camp at Ft. Dix is larger than before and can hold many thousands more than when these photos were taken!!

http://www.apfn.org/apfn/ft-dix-nj1.jpg
http://www.apfn.org/apfn/ft-dix-nj2.jpg
http://www.apfn.org/apfn/ft-dix-nj3.jpg
http://www.apfn.org/apfn/ft-dix-nj4.jpg

Ft. LEONARD WOOD, MISSOURI:

This facility is part of the "Stem Village" Urban Warfare Training Center. This facility has a very small capacity at present, but is certainly capable of major future expansion. Most alarming is that this "urban warfare" center is modeled after a generic small town in the USA!

http://www.apfn.org/apfn/ft-leonardwood-mo.jpg

NASHVILLE, TENN.:

This facility is on state property. Note the high fences with the inward-curving tops and barb wire. This facility can only serve one purpose: to hold people!

http://www.apfn.org/apfn/nashville-tn1.jpg

Some pre-made prison cells on the back of a truck

http://www.apfn.org/apfn/jail2.jpg

There are over 100 primary and secondary concentration camps across the US. Each houses about 20,000 prisoners. Currently the largest of these facilities is the just outside of Fairbanks, Alaska. The Alaskan facility is a gigantic mental health facility and can hold approximately 2 million people. The majority of these facilities have no prisoners but are currently staffed by military personal. The camps all have have railroad facilities, as well as roads, coming and going out of them, to get there. Also quite a few are closed down military bases and are adjacent to airport facilities

[VegasRonin]

Alaskan Mental Health Facility that can hold 2,000,000 people? No way Prez! I have to check for info on that one. I don't believe there's a facility in the world that big.

[WoOp_De_DoO]

I saw this in the america is babylon thread

52. Babylon sets of detention centers for Jews and Christians and rounds them up for extermination (Jer 50:7, 33; 51:35, 49; Rev 17:6; 18:24).


Sound likt what you would use these camps for

[VegasRonin]

In order for anything like that to happen in the U.S. the military would have to adopt a religion that would demonize Judaic Christian theology. Seeing as most soldiers think of themselves as Christian, I find it most unlikely.

[ATX]

They will not adopt a new religion, they will do the opposite and in fact make all religion illegal! Believe it or not the Bible has prophecied the coming of the New World Order and the rise of the anti-christ, it's leader. I know this is not the religion thread so I will not get too heavy but I want to show you how this is all relevant.

There will arise a leader out of the European nations that will bring a resolution and peace to the conflicts in the middle east (jews vs. arabs, maybe even the war we are currently in). He will be very well spoken, well educated...the complete package of what you would expect in a leader. The world will be in awe of his accomplishment and he will be deemed an international hero immediately. You can already see that the entire world is currently lacking strong leadership (even the US pres is not what the position used to be) and when a "savior" steps into the light everyone will jump on the bandwagon. He will then make another proposal...a New World Order to be formed with him being the head. It's goal will be to bring the world into peace and unity.

One of it's agendas is a one world currency (already in the works). However the catch is it is not going to actually be a form of currency that you can hold in your hand, more than likely it is going to be a micro-chip that is implanted in your skin. However this chip will not only hold financial records, but also other personal info such as medical and criminal history. This will be promoted as a great idea and an answer to many problems. If there is an accident the EMS can scan your chip and immediately have all of your medical history, if a child is kidnapped then they can activate the GPS in the chip and track them down, and no one can be mugged or robbed is they do not have actual money to take. Seems innocent enough (yeah right), however the Bible refers to this as the "Mark of the Beast" and tells us that without the mark no one will be able to sell or purchase goods. Those who do not receive the micro-chip (or whatever the form of currency is) will not be able to function in the New World Order society (how can you pay your mortgage, buy food, etc?) and will be rounded up into these concentration camps.

Now to get to your point about religion! The New World Order is going to propose that in order for there to be world-wide peace and unity two things must be eliminated...religion and patriotism. The NWO will state that these two things have been behind every conflict and war and by eliminating them they will also eliminate the division that they have caused. You can already see how our liberties and freedoms are slowly being taken away (Patriot Act, etc.) and eventually they will take away freedom of religion. As far as patriotism, they will convince Americans to abandon their pride in their independence and buy into the NWO. Those people who refuse to abandon their religious beliefs (christian, muslim, etc.) or refuse to abandon their sense of patriotism will be viewed as rebels and a threat to this NWO and peace. How convenient that there just happen to be all of the concentration camps to put everyone in!

This is just a brief summary of what the Bible predicts will happen. A lot of the groundwork for the NWO has already been laid and it is only a matter of time before it rears it's ugly head. Even if you do not believe in the Bible you can see that this NWO is real and a threat. It is very disturbing where this country and this world are headed to!

[lotrfan55345]

The world of the NWO sound like a gr8 time to live in! If only there was no mass-restriction of freedoms, It would be utopia. :D

[ATX]

That is exactly what they want you to think and why so many people are going to blindly follow along with their plan. For those that buy into it the false peace will last 3-1/2 years, after that all hell is going to break loose for another 3-1/2 years until it all ends at the battle of Armageddon. Not only will there be war but there will also be famine and the earth will be going through cataclysmic (sp?) changes. It is not going to be pretty!

[lotrfan55345]

Changes? Abrupt-climate change scenario? Peak oil production?

I dont buy into bible "prophecys". A book compiled of texts which are 2000+ year old? I dont think I will consider it a reliable source of things to come. :wink:

[Strife]

I'm interested to know ATX how you managed to figure this out, not to sound like a jerk. Your armageddon sounds familiar just with a few changes here and there.

[ATX]

Don't worry about sounding like a jerk Strife, I appreciate your interest. Like I said I am a Christian, I know that is not too popular in here but I believe that we can all be respectful of each other's beliefs and have intelligent conversation. Before anyone tees off and bashes me I am not claiming to be "perfect" myself and I am the first to admit that some men have definitely twisted religion from it's true form (for their benefit). True the Bible is thousands of years old, but it does have prophecies (or predictions) about everything I mentioned above. Amazingly the current events concerning our government, economy, and spirituality all fall in line with what the Bible predicts will happen. I have seen on this board and many others people who all agree that the New World Order (or Illuminati) scenario is a reality and does not appear too far away from where we are presently. What some people would disagree on is the fact that this leader is going to be the "anti-christ" and that God has a hand in all of this. However don't you find it a bit intriguing that if you do believe in this scenario (even minus the whole "God" thing) that the Bible predicted all of these events (one world government, one world currency, etc.) thousands of years ago?

[ATX]

Here is an article I just ran across concerning the Veri-chip I was referring to above. In the article it does not mention the chip containing financial information or being used for transactions but you can see how that would be a likely next step. Here is a link and the text:

http://www.americanfreepress.net/Censored/13_02%20Big%20Brother%20Gets%20Under%20Yo.htm

Big Brother Gets Under Your Skin with Microchip

Exclusive to American Free Press

By Mike Finch

VeriChip, a hotly debated implantable micro chip, is currently being reviewed by the Food and Drug Administration for use in humans as an implanted ID that would store medical or security information.

It is initially touted as a means of quickly providing critical medical information, especially in cases where the patient is unable to communicate. But civil libertarians have expressed concern that eventually such chips could contain all of an individual’s private information where it could be abused in “Big Brother” fashion.

Applied Digital Solutions Inc. (ADS) on Feb. 7 announced the formation of VeriChip™ Corporation, as a new subsidiary. On Dec. 19, 2001, ADS first announced the VeriChip, an implantable device about the size of a grain of rice that can be used to store information about the person who carries the implant.

“Miniaturized, implantable identification technology with multiple medical, security, and emergency applications” is the motto of VeriChip Corporation.

The VeriChip stores six lines of text. It emits a 125 kHz radio signal that can be picked up by a special scanner up to four feet away, whereby the stored info can be downloaded into a monitoring device.

ADS and VeriChip plan to market the chip in the United States as a medical device that would allow hospital workers to download medical information instantly when they are handling implanted patients.

VeriChip initially stated that the chip would be marketed solely as a voluntary implant for medical purposes, but recently has asked for government permission to market the chip to be used for ID purposes in airports, nuclear power plants and other high-security facilities, reports CBN news.

The VeriChip is not the first of its kind. In 2000, ADS quietly introduced its “Angel” technology, the precursor to the VeriChip. Angel technology was an inplantable chip much like the VeriChip that could be used to track humans by Global Positioning Satellite.

Angel technology was proposed in a two-step fashion: First, as an external wristwatch receiver and then as an implant. Angel’s marketing also focused on its potential medical uses, for use on people with Alzheimer’s and other mind-impairing diseases, but at the time there was little public support for such a device.

CEO Richard Sullivan remarked, “With the recent tragedy [Sept. 11], it is our duty to expedite the development process and offer Digital Angel in its current beta form to the rescue efforts of all agencies connected with national and personal safety and security,” adding that “Digital Angel has many applications that can be used during this national tragedy.”

Since the chip has been announced, it has sparked a great deal of debate in media, provoking headlines like “VeriChip likely to face privacy issue debate,” and “Company wants to get under your skin with ID,” and “A microchip makes it’s mark: VeriChip and the beast.”

Supporters say that the VeriChip is an advancement of technology that will be used to store medical information and perhaps be used to increase security. But many worry that such a device would take away from individual privacy, and also worry that such a chip might be required, or forced upon citizens.

Christians have been reported to criticize the VeriChip due to its likeness to the Bible’s reference to “the mark of the beast” in the book of Revelation where it says:



He also forced everyone, small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on his right hand or on his forehead so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of his name. (Rev. 13:16, NIV Translation)

Others are less skeptical about the chip. A civilian family of three in Boca Raton, Fla., has already volunteered to be the first humans to be implanted with the microchip, though Dr. Richard Seelig, medical advisor for ADS, had already given himself the implant in advance of FDA approval.

The family of three is among 50 or so volunteers who are ready to get the implant in early tests. They are only waiting for FDA approval.

Seelig implanted a chip in his arm and his hip area a few months ago.

“Yes, it’s in my right forearm and there is no bump or anything that you can really see,” Seelig told CBN News.

If there are no delays the implantable microchip will be on the market in less than a year, reports Stephanie Murphy of The Palm Breach Daily News The implant will cost around $200.

On Jan. 24 ADS announced that VeriChip had signed a Latin American marketer as its first customer. The initial orders “exceed $300,000 with anticipated first year revenue approaching $2 million. Additional international orders, valued at $1.5 million are under legal review and nearing completion,” reports the Palm Beach Business Wire.

The technology for the VeriChip was originally developed by Destron Fearing, a subsidiary of ADS, to track laboratory animals and livestock and help locate lost pet cats and dogs.

You can already see how they are going to spin it to make it look like it is in our best interest:

CEO Richard Sullivan remarked, “With the recent tragedy [Sept. 11], it is our duty to expedite the development process and offer Digital Angel in its current beta form to the rescue efforts of all agencies connected with national and personal safety and security,” adding that “Digital Angel has many applications that can be used during this national tragedy.”

Supporters say that the VeriChip is an advancement of technology that will be used to store medical information and perhaps be used to increase security. But many worry that such a device would take away from individual privacy, and also worry that such a chip might be required, or forced upon citizens.

If you refuse the chip then they will make you look like you are not in favor with what is best for national security or even for individuals who have health problems. It is kind of like the "Patriot Act", if you do not support it then you are not "patriotic". Anyways the question is who here would take the chip and who would refuse it?

[Defiant Noquisi]

Concentration camps have been a part of the history of America since the beginning so it really shouldnt come as a surprise that we have them now, "just in case". Its also no surprise to me that they stand empty since at this time, there is no "reason" to use them. Just in case they were to be used, I would much rather have the managment and guards familiar with the places and surroundings. It would be stressful enough just to get into a norm of use just having occupants but may lessen the potential for abuse if they were ever used.

What might be a decent compromise would be to partially use them in lessening overcrowding at prisons. Sure thing I doubt but Id rather have them ready and unused than none at all and prisoners rounded up in some tent city which would be too much of a danger for all involved.

Besides, if some all climactic event occurs, or if armageddon was on our doorstep I doubt they would even be needed since (only going by common discussion) they, like anything else probably wouldnt exist anymore.

[databug]

Alaskan Mental Health Facility that can hold 2,000,000 people? No way Prez! I have to check for info on that one. I don't believe there's a facility in the world that big.


Oh yes... there are large FEMA detention centers (reeducation centers, they call them, interesting...) out there. I have a large list of where many of these are in the united States. The prison camps are built by FEMA and ran by FEMA. If a... disaster occurs... be it natural (meteor for example) or a war where major cities get lost perhaps, FEMA has the power to take over the presidency and congress cannot stop FEMA (and wouldnt anyhow) for up to 6 months. FEMA can then do many nasty things to the American people, including taking over all roads, food supplies, radio and tv stations and the constitution and bill of rights will be non-existent under martial law and the patriot act parts 1 and 2.

There is much proof. Photos, videos... most easy to find on the net now. Why would a Gulag style camp, be in America, surrounded by razor wire and concertina wire.. that points inwards, as if to keep people in the fenced areas, instead of out? And why would these facilities be built mostly by train tracks... some of these train track sets divert and go into the camps. I have a photo of a double-decker train. It's a sight to see, hah, it's huge! It's just monstrous in size. But on the inside, it has 2 stories. A lower deck and an upper deck. Both decks have bolts in the floor with chains for shackles.

I don't think they rustle cattle up with shackles haha. This was invented for people! Dissidents, to be correct. Dissidents such as.... those who believe in the 2nd coming of Christ (Janet Reno said this), those who are against big government. Those who defend human or animal rights. Those who are quote "suspected" terrorists. Meaning, with the new nazi germany style "Tattle Tail" system Bush has implemented in the name of national security... why, FEMA and the police are telling everyone to tattle on their neighbors. Is your neighbor mowing his LAWN at night, when he's never done that before? Well you need to report it.. he might be making bombs in his bathroom! Seriously... this is actually happening right now.

Here is a link to what FEMA can and will do, when martial law/red alert is finally declared (probably because of the next 'terror' attack, which will once again be orchestrated): http://www.disastercenter.com/laworder/laworder.htm

[repentantsinner]

:grind: See dubya in an off topic post called "Have a good Laugh" As for the camps, with the patiot act and the possibility of martial law i bet millions of US citizens will want to keep their guns. :grind:

[Defiant Noquisi]

As for the camps, with the patiot act and the possibility of martial law i bet millions of US citizens will want to keep their guns. :grind: Damn straight! :D

[prezhorusin04]

Gov't Admits Concentration Camp Plan
By David Rydel
http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=221

In a revealing admission the Director of Resource Management for the U.S. Army confirmed the validity of a memorandum relating to the establishment of a civilian inmate labor program under development by the Department for the Army. The document states, “Enclosed for your review and comment is the draft Army regulation on civilian inmate labor utilisation” and the procedure to “establish civilian prison camps on installations.” Cherith Chronicle, June 1997

Civilian internment camps, or prison camps (more commonly known as concentration camps), have been the subject of much rumor and speculation during the past few years in America. Several publications have devoted space to the topic and many talk radio programs have dealt with the issue.

However, Congressman Gonzales clarified the question of the existence of civilian detention camps. In an interview the congressman stated, “the truth is yes – you do have these standing provisions, and the plans are here.”

Congress repealed the Emergency Detention Act of 1950 twenty years later in 1971. Seemingly the threat of civilian internment in the U.S. was over, but not in reality. The Senate held hearings in December, 1975, revealing the ongoing internment plan which had never been terminated. The report, entitled “Intelligence Activities, Senate Resolution 21,” disclosed the covert agenda. In a series of documents, memos and testimony by government informants, the picture emerged of the designs by the federal governments to monitor, infiltrate, arrest and incarcerate a potentially large segment of American society.

The Senate report also revealed the existence of the Master Search Warrant (MSW) and the Master Arrest Warrant (MAW) which are currently in force. The MAW document, authorized by the U.S. Attorney General, directs the head of the FBI to: “Arrest persons whom I deem dangerous to the public peace and safety. These persons are to be detained and confined until further order.” The MSW also instructs the FBI Director to “search certain premises where it is believed that there may be found contraband, prohibited articles, or other materials in violation of the Proclamation of the President of the United States.” It includes such items as firearms, shortwave radio receiving sets, cameras, propaganda materials, printing presses, mimeograph machines, membership and financial records of organisations or groups that have been declared subversive, or may be hereafter declared subversive by the Attorney General.”

Since the Senate hearings in 1975, the steady development of highly specialized surveillance capabilities, combined with exploding computerised information technologies, have enabled a massive data base of personal information to be developed on millions of unsuspecting American citizens. It is all in place awaiting only a presidential declaration to be enforced by both military and civilian police.

FEMA (Federal Emergency Management Agency), whose black budget comes from the Department of Defense, has worked closely with the Pentagon in an effort to avoid the legal restrictions of the Posse Comitatus. While FEMA may not have been directly responsible for these precedent-setting cases, the principle of federal control was seen during the Los Angeles riots in 1992 with the federalization of the National Guard and during the siege at Waco, where Army tanks with flame throwers were involved in the final conflagration.

The Deputy Attorney General of California commented at a conference that anyone who attacks the State, even verbally, becomes a revolutionary and an enemy by definition. Louis Guiffreda, who was head of FEMA, stated that “legitimate violence is integral to our form of government, for it is from this source that we continue to purge our weaknesses.”

It is significant to note that the dictionary definition of terrorism: “the calculated use of violence” corresponds precisely to the governments stated policy of the “use of legitimate violence.” One might ask, who are the real terrorists? Guiffreda’s remark gives a revealing insight into the thinking of those who have been charged with oversight of the welfare of the citizens of this country. If one’s convictions or philosophy does not correspond with the government’s agenda, that individual may find himself on the government’s enemy list. This makes him a ‘target’ to be ‘purged’ by the use of legitimate violence.”

[prezhorusin04]

Concentration Camps for U.S. Citizens:
Ashcroft's Hellish Vision
SiaNews.com
by Jonathan Turley
September 5, 2004
[Jonathan Turley is a professor of constitutional law at George Washington University.]

Atty. Gen. John Ashcroft's announced desire for camps for U.S. citizens he deems to be "enemy combatants" has moved him from merely being a political embarrassment to being a constitutional menace. Ashcroft's plan, disclosed last week but little publicized, would allow him to order the indefinite incarceration of U.S. citizens and summarily strip them of their constitutional rights and access to the courts by declaring them enemy combatants.

The proposed camp plan should trigger immediate congressional hearings and reconsideration of Ashcroft's fitness for this important office. Whereas Al Qaeda is a threat to the lives of our citizens, Ashcroft has become a clear and present threat to our liberties...

The camp plan was forged at an optimistic time for Ashcroft's small inner circle, which has been carefully watching two test cases to see whether this vision could become a reality. The cases of Jose Padilla and Yaser Esam Hamdi will determine whether U.S. citizens can be held without charges and subject to the arbitrary and unchecked authority of the government.

Hamdi has been held without charge even though the facts of his case are virtually identical to those in the case of John Walker Lindh. Both Hamdi and Lindh were captured in Afghanistan as foot soldiers in Taliban units. Yet Lindh was given a lawyer and a trial, while Hamdi rots in a floating Navy brig in Norfolk, Va.

This week, the government refused to comply with a federal judge who ordered that he be given the underlying evidence justifying Hamdi's treatment. The Justice Department has insisted that the judge must simply accept its declaration and cannot interfere with the president's absolute authority in "a time of war."

In Padilla's case, Ashcroft initially claimed that the arrest stopped a plan to detonate a radioactive bomb in New York or Washington, D.C. The administration later issued an embarrassing correction that there was no evidence Padilla was on such a mission. What is clear is that Padilla is an American citizen and was arrested in the United States--two facts that should trigger the full application of constitutional rights.

Ashcroft hopes to use his self-made "enemy combatant" stamp for any citizen whom he deems to be part of a wider terrorist conspiracy.

Perhaps because of his discredited claims of preventing radiological terrorism, aides have indicated that a "high-level committee" will recommend which citizens are to be stripped of their constitutional rights and sent to Ashcroft's new camps.

Few would have imagined any attorney general seeking to reestablish such camps for citizens. Of course, Ashcroft is not considering camps on the order of the internment camps used to incarcerate Japanese American citizens in World War II. But he can be credited only with thinking smaller; we have learned from painful experience that unchecked authority, once tasted, easily becomes insatiable.

We are only now getting a full vision of Ashcroft's America. Some of his predecessors dreamed of creating a great society or a nation unfettered by racism. Ashcroft seems to dream of a country secured from itself, neatly contained and controlled by his judgment of loyalty.

For more than 200 years, security and liberty have been viewed as coexistent values. Ashcroft and his aides appear to view this relationship as lineal, where security must precede liberty.

Since the nation will never be entirely safe from terrorism, liberty has become a mere rhetorical justification for increased security.

Ashcroft is a catalyst for constitutional devolution, encouraging citizens to accept autocratic rule as their only way of avoiding massive terrorist attacks.

His greatest problem has been preserving a level of panic and fear that would induce a free people to surrender the rights so dearly won by their ancestors.

In "A Man for All Seasons," Sir Thomas More was confronted by a young lawyer, Will Roper, who sought his daughter's hand. Roper proclaimed that he would cut down every law in England to get after the devil.

More's response seems almost tailored for Ashcroft: "And when the last law was down and the devil turned round on you, where would you hide, Roper, the laws all being flat? ... This country's planted thick with laws from coast to coast ... and if you cut them down--and you are just the man to do it--do you really think you could stand upright in the winds that would blow then?"

Every generation has had Ropers and Ashcrofts who view our laws and traditions as mere obstructions rather than protections in times of peril. But before we allow Ashcroft to denude our own constitutional landscape, we must take a stand and have the courage to say, "Enough."

Every generation has its test of principle in which people of good faith can no longer remain silent in the face of authoritarian ambition. If we cannot join together to fight the abomination of American camps, we have already lost what we are defending.

[Defiant Noquisi]

Its bad enought that as citizens we lose the power to defend ourselves everyday. Its even more frightening now that the courts are also losing theirs. :nono:

[ATX]

The NWO is one step closer to forcing these chips upon us. They have posted on their official website that the FDA has now approved use of the chip for "medical purposes". Peep the site at:

http://www.4verichip.com/

October 13th 2004

FDA CLEARS VERICHIP™ FOR MEDICAL APPLICATIONS IN THE UNITED STATES

DELRAY BEACH , FL and So. ST. PAUL, MN -- Applied Digital (NASDAQ: ADSX), a provider of Security Through Innovation™ and Digital Angel Corporation (AMEX:DOC) announced today that VeriChip™, the world’s first implantable radio frequency identification (RFID) microchip for human use, has been cleared by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) for medical uses in the United States. The FDA clearance follows the completion of a de novo application review.

he Company will hold a conference call today at 10:30 am eastern time in order to discuss the FDA’s decision, Company’s marketing strategy and medical applications for VeriChip. Interested participants should dial (800) 472-8309. The conference ID is 1531948. The call will also be webcast and will be available on the Home Page of Applied Digital’s web site at www.adsx.com.

As previously disclosed, the FDA response is the result of the Company’s 510(k) application and subsequent de novo application for the medical and healthcare uses of VeriChip, originally submitted in October 2003. Digital Angel Corporation is the manufacturer of VeriChip and has licensed the technology to VeriChip Corporation, a wholly owned subsidiary of Applied Digital, for human applications.

The VeriChip Health Information Microtransponder System consists of an implantable RFID microtransponder, an inserter, a proprietary hand-held scanner, and secure database containing the patient approved healthcare information. About the size of a grain of rice, VeriChip is a subdermal radio frequency microchip. Once inserted under the skin in a brief outpatient procedure, the VeriChip cannot be seen by the human eye. Each VeriChip contains a unique 16-digit verification number that is captured by briefly passing a proprietary scanner over the insertion site. The captured 16 digit number links to the database via encrypted Internet access. The previously stored information is then conveyed via the internet to the registered requesting healthcare provider.

About VeriChip™

VeriChip is a subdermal RFID device that can be used in a variety of security, financial, emergency identification and other applications. About the size of a grain of rice, each VeriChip product contains a unique verification number that is captured by briefly passing a proprietary scanner over the VeriChip. The recommended location of the microchip is in the triceps area between the elbow and the shoulder of the right arm. The brief outpatient “chipping” procedure lasts just a few minutes and involves only local anesthetic followed by quick, painless insertion of the VeriChip. Once inserted just under the skin, the VeriChip is inconspicuous to the naked eye. A small amount of radio frequency energy passes from the scanner energizing the dormant VeriChip, which then emits a radio frequency signal transmitting the verification number. In October 2004, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) cleared VeriChip for medical applications in the United States. VeriChip is not an FDA-regulated device with regard to its security, financial, personal identification/safety applications. VeriChip Corporation is a wholly owned subsidiary of Applied Digital.

About Applied Digital

Applied Digital develops innovative security products for consumer, commercial, and government sectors worldwide. Our unique and often proprietary products provide security for people, animals, the food supply, government/military arena, and commercial assets. Included in this diversified product line are RFID applications, end-to-end food safety systems, GPS/Satellite communications, and telecomm and security infrastructure, positioning Applied Digital as the leader of Security Through Innovation™. Applied Digital is the owner of a majority position in Digital Angel Corporation (AMEX: DOC). For more information, visit the company's website at http://www.adsx.com.

About Digital Angel Corporation

Digital Angel Corporation develops and deploys sensor and communications technologies that enable rapid and accurate identification, location tracking, and condition monitoring of high-value assets. Applications for the Company's products include identification and monitoring of pets, fish, livestock, and humans through its patented implantable microchips; location tracking and message monitoring of vehicles and aircraft in remote locations through systems that integrate GPS and geosynchronous satellite communications; and monitoring of asset conditions such as temperature and movement, through advanced miniature sensors.

For more information about Digital Angel, visit the company’s website at www.DigitalAngelCorp.com.

Statements about the Company's future expectations, including future revenues and earnings, and all other statements in this press release other than historical facts are "forward-looking statements" within the meaning of Section 27A of the Securities Act of 1933, Section 21E of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934, and as that term is defined in the Private Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Such forward-looking statements involve risks and uncertainties and are subject to change at any time, and the Company's actual results could differ materially from expected results. The Company undertakes no obligation to update forward-looking statements to reflect subsequently occurring events or circumstances.

[prezhorusin04]

Thanks for the info ATX


The Evidence is Conclusive - Preparations are in High Gear for: Concentration Camps in America


Some nine years ago a French-Canadian reporter named Serge Monast called the ministry, desperate to speak with me personally. Mr. Monast stated he had come into possession of documents which proved the existence of a secret plan for a concentration camp system throughout North America. He sent them to me and, after a parallel investigation of my own, I became convinced the documents were authentic. Serge Monast was telling the truth. The horrible, horrible truth.

Not too long afterward, Serge Monast, a vigorous man in his 40s, died unexpectedly of a brief and mysterious illness. His friends suspected foul play, but there was no definite proof he was murdered. Just before he died, Serge wrote to tell me he would be contacting me soon to give me details of stunning new information he had discovered about the concentration camps, including a map pinpointing locations. Information which, Serge assured me, "will blow your mind."
Also see: INTERNMENT CAMPS: The Mechanics of Tyranny
http://www.etherzone.com/2002/boot112502.shtml

Also see: Concentration Camps in U.S.
http://www.greaterthings.com/News/Concentration_Camps/#U.S.%20Policy

Also see: GULAG AMERIKA
http://gulagamerika.homestead.com/

Also see: Concentration Camps on US soil: Full list
http://www.geocities.com/theawakeningnews/Police_State-Concentration_Camps_Locations.html

[prezhorusin04]

Secretly embedded codes like these are part of "Operation Garden Plot" where U.S. forces/National Guard and *Partnership* NATO/UN military will police and patrol our streets and highways during MARTIAL LAW. Detention areas, and facilities with massive air-lifts are planned to relocate the populace to "safe zones" during a bio/chem or nuclear attack.

http://www.tackamarks.freeservers.com/images/camp_grayling_3_markers_2.jpg

Sign Codes- EXPOSED! The truth behind the mystery.
The Department of Transportation has been lying and is deeply involved in covert military operations nationwide. "Highly reflective" markers of different variety began appearing on the backs of road signs across America with the explanation forwarded that the D.O.T. were "dating" road signs for sinage replacement and warranty purposes. "Free Indeed Research" has challenged this claim and has proven these road sign dating operations a "FAKE"! These markers are in reality, universal military directional code devices, *TACMARS*, verified by military personnel who have seen them being used by multi-national U.N. "PEACEKEEPERS", to target vital sites, facilities and resources to be confiscated and used during a National Emergency. More startling information has been disclosed that the "fronts" of the road signs contain embedded codes as well and that our entire sign system has been cleverly altered and is shifting from a word based system to a "European" style complex of pictorials, images, color codes, and a variety of "ARROW" configurations!
The following photos are samples of the codings deciphered by researchers through over 4 years of painstaking study of the markers and their configurations, target sites, and photo analysis. Our conclusive report of this phenomenon appears to be the final stages of a complex military plan called "OPERATION GARDEN PLOT" also known as, "UNITED STATES CIVIL DISTURBANCE PLAN 55-2". This unclassified military plan involves the handling of civil disturbances through massive relocations of the populace via airlifts, mass transit, and rail to "SAFE ZONES" away from affected areas under MARTIAL LAW. As you view this website, may you be alerted to the dangers that may soon be unfolding. This kind of coding has been observed in many war-torn nations overseas and is linked to UN/NATO military.
http://www.tackamarks.freeservers.com/images/grylnghighsch..jpg

Much More:
http://www.tackamarks.freeservers.com/photo3.html

[VegasRonin]

More startling information has been disclosed that the "fronts" of the road signs contain embedded codes as well and that our entire sign system has been cleverly altered and is shifting from a word based system to a "European" style complex of pictorials, images, color codes, and a variety of "ARROW" configurations! Don't know about the embedded code part but I know for a fact we've been moving towards a European Style of signs for some time. We started this in the Military, and its even part of The Military Drivers License test for overseas deployment. Didn't think much about it at the time. It makes some sense if we're going to truly be allies, some things should be commonly shared.

[prezhorusin04]

Like when the US, Europe and Israel take over the new America/Canada/Mexico merger continent? :(

[niteflyer]

Bush is a pawn...All presidents are to some degree...all must answer to a higher authority. Look what happened when Kennedy rebelled... Bush well knows this, he was born and indoctrinated into it from a small child. All of us with the blood were...
He was duly elected, but he is a pawn to the dictates of the real leaders, and things are afoot, things to alter the course of the entire race...pay attention....

[Keeblergiant]

Obviously...Bush works for God :2thumbs:

[prezhorusin04]

YES THEY ARE CONCENTRATION CAMPS!!!!!!!!
http://www.surfingtheapocalypse.net/cgi-bin/members/forum.cgi?read=56248

Posted By: Journey_Man <Send E-Mail>
Date: Thursday, 17 February 2005, 12:17 a.m.

Let us not be blind and call a cat a cat and a dog a dog.

READ ALL THESE and then tell me if these darn things aren't being built to enslave citizens and exterminate undesireables.

• This Road to HELL is paved with bad intentions:

1. http://www.mindcontrolforums.com/us-concentration-camps1.htm

2. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wisepeople/message/1445

3. http://www.abovetopsecret.com/pages/camps.html

4. http://www.mindcontrolforums.com/us-concentrationcamps-fema-rex84program.htm

5. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wisepeople/message/1432

6. http://www.surfingtheapocalypse.net/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=56168

7. http://www.angelfire.com/music2/fullcircle/con1.html

8. http://www.rense.com/politics2/campsinmich.htm

9. http://www.apfn.org/apfn/camps.htm

10. http://www.freedomfiles.org/war/fema.htm

11. http://www.greatdreams.com/concentration.htm

12. http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread24913/pg1

13. http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread24903/pg1

~ Journey_Man

[stevepeonio]

Let's say Al Qaeda ... Now what do you think would happen if the Govt. decided to apprehend members of the Nation of Islam? I can say, almost with 100 % certainty, that this would ignite a Race War within America. Maybe this is what the camps are for?

Could it also be a case of once the U.S. Government implements martial law, might they use these concentration camps as a place to put dissenters and those that would rebel against the new government? Also, they might be understaffed now, but how hard would it be to pull in military forces from bases here in the US to act as guards and processors?

[2cool4stats]

*lol*
you know, maybe he is a genius and fooling the world with his stupid idiot act? he's got me convinced, how could he have the marbles to orchestrate what has transpired in the last 3 years?

As powerful as Bush is, it's his position that carries destructive clout. If he was a security guard, most logical people will not take his political views seriously. Take CNN for example. That company carries an established reputation. If it were to report that the Sept.11 terrorist attacks were setup by the United States government, most people will believe its presentation. But what if CNN had the status of say, any tabloid magazine? Let me take it one step further. How about America herself?

America is perhaps the most influential country in our modern era [few people will contest that "fact", no question]. But what if America had the status of say, Iraq? Now what if Iraq had the status of today's glamorous America? If this were the case, people's "U.S.A." chants won't be so filled with star spangled spirit now would they? People's acceptance levels are often dictated by status. To make it clearer, the reputation of things influences the subjective decision making actions of many people. The one who holds that reputation can only abuse it or enhance it. Therefore, he cannot surpass the abilities of his own position.

Speaking of "people", many of Bush's followers actually have suspicions of potential government lies. However, they explicitly refuse to investigate their doubts because they are in favor of Bush's actions to begin with [over-defensiveness is their commonality]. Unequivocally, it's the reason why there are always endless political, religious, scientific, and social debates in a wide variety of venues. It's not a matter of convincing these people of possible facts -- that approach almost never works. It is a matter of letting them decide for themselves of which things to accept. In most cases unfortunately, they've already made their unreceptive closed-minded decisions.

[gracestamper]

the Rex 84 was built for anti new world orderltes. Patriots and such. The US is looking at a major economic crisis. We'll implement matrial law. And suspend the constitution. Under the Patriot Act anyone can be held without charges or an attorney, indefinitely. Not a pleasant thought. It's just the way our **Democracy** operates. the laws protect the government not the citizens. Communism at it best eh? The Rex 84 is also for forced labor. It's so much like Hitler *Final Solution* it will turn your stomache.

[MapMan]

Maybe the government has found a use for the camps - put the Hurricane survivors for New Orleans in them...

[liberdave]

Maybe the government has found a use for the camps - put the Hurricane survivors for New Orleans in them... Im glad you mentioned that, me and a coworker were talking about how easily the Astrodome situation could degrade into some kind of holding camp situation. And last night, they reported on Channel 13 (Houston's ABC affiliate) that, and I quote, "Here are some shots from inside the dome taken earlier, because they won't let us inside the dome regularly." Now wait a minute. Why the hell not? These are news reporters and officials wont let them inside regularly? I think there should be a live continuous feed coming from inside. Especially since they have stated already that most of the security is coming from a private firm. hhrrmm... makes me wonder.

[Mezurashi]

to get a perspective on what's going on, try and get stats on how many White people got Immediate help and how many Black people did.

I'd hate to draw such a basic, general and simplistic line to divide, but what I have seen and heard from up here in Canada seems like the skin colour fence has been erected.

White people scavenge, recover, find, salvage, gather and borrow. Non whites loot. Plain and simple.

Most of the 'refugees' are black ... most of the 'troublemakers' are black ... the angriest and most righteously indignant politicians and public servants are black - most of the news coverage is coming from whites.

Has anyone noticed how CNN tends to not let black politicians have their full say? How when as soon as a black head of the ACLU or NAACP starts talking about the media profiling the 'looters' the news switches to a debriefing from the Pentagon?

Why are all the Commanding Military Officers in New Orelans white? this is statistically improbable - it really isn't a coincidence, not on this scale.

I smell someone cashing in on a situation - 9/11 deja vu methinks...

[liberdave]

Why are all the Commanding Military Officers in New Orelans white? this is statistically improbable - it really isn't a coincidence, not on this scale. Mezzie, one thing you have to realize about Louisiana (and pretty much the whole South) is that (although sad and antiquiated) whites hold most public offices. A sadly large portion of Southern blacks are uneducated and disenfrachised (is that a word?). Most don't care to hold public office. Nepitism runs rampant in the South (you know, the whole "good ole boy" system). And it's a fact that everyone knows and accepts that every politician is corrupt and dishonest. BUT they keep reelecting those old crooks because they figure that the crooks have all ready stolen all they wanted. But if you get someone new in office, they will start stealing NEW things. Incumbents almost always win races. And yes, most whites and richer blacks got out of NO quickly because they had the money to get out. Those poor folks left behind stayed because they had no option. Thus the blight of the poor black, always looting, never surviving. :nono:

[VegasRonin]

This was sent to me today, and the author is white.

Information overload.
So much happening -
it is impossible to sort it out.

Simultaneously,
insufficient information
to know what is happening.

Great amounts of nonsense
reports
analysis
theory.

The New Orleans disaster
is NOT like that of
a nuclear bomb.

But doesn't Bush, wish.
If it had been a nuke -
(like in so many
nuke terrorist theories)
then he would have known
what to do.

But - no nuke -
so no suitable
neocon political
international response.
No one to bomb in return.

No nuke -
and so no suitable
Homeland Security response
either.

With a nuke -
they could have just said -
"Everything is radioactive" -
and have sealed off the area,
and have forgotten about it.

But now -
some response is expected,
and since they have mostly dismantled
FEMA (Federal Emergency Management Agency)
there is no one around to respond.

Okay, okay -
I know -
the Red Cross is there
with 2,000 volunteers -
its largest response ever -
and probably the Salvation Army -
and lots of others -
but you can see -
it is not solving the problem.

But the problem -
is NOTHING like a
nuclear war problem.
If we were having a nuclear war -
there wouldn't be ANY help -
coming from ANYWHERE!

AND - nowhere to flee to -
NOR - any means to flee.

This whole situation
should be VERY instructive to YOU -
if you will just look at it
and take note.

One single city -
and no radiation to contend with -
and how well do you see
the government solving the problem?

What do you think the situation would be -
if there were dozens of cities -
simultaneously destroyed -
and radiation floating off
in every direction.

Unsurvivable.
Wouldn't want to survive it.
Unimaginable.
Not going to happen.
Shouldn't worry about it.
Will put my trust in the Lord.

All those would be typical responses.
Many of them are good.
One should always put their trust
in the Lord.
One shouldn't worry -
but they should prepare
for the conceivable.

It is true -
one might not want to survive it -
but just like in New Orleans
you may find yourself
in the equivalent
of sitting up on top of your house
waving a flag.
(By the way -
not a good manoeuvre
when there is fallout.)

And if one can't imagine it -
that just speaks of
one's own limitations -
not the reality -
that has now perhaps
become the inevitability.

So,
look and learn
some important lessons.

a. Government help isn't coming.

b. Evacuation of big cities is impossible.
(Especially in nuclear war -
when there is nowhere
to evacuate to.)
(No need to run off to Houston -
from St. Louis,
when those in Houston -
are trying to run off to St. Louis).

c. There won't be sufficient warning.
(If you have somewhere to run -
and the roads aren't full -
and gasoline is available -
and you don't do it NOW -
then when something happens -
none of that will be true.)

d. Water, food, shelter will be needed.

e. Social control will break down.

f. Those controlling -
will not be your friends.

This is the biggest lesson to me.
When I show the pictures to others -
they don't see what I see.

Maybe it is just up here in Canada -
but the picture on the front page
the day before the storm struck -
showed people going into the Superdome.

Who was going in?
Almost one hundred percent blacks.
Who was standing directing them?
I saw only white soldiers.

Today on the front page.
A white medic -
with a white patient on the stretcher.
Surrounded by a dozen white soldiers -
facing a crowd of hundreds of blacks.

That is what I saw.
Others looking at the picture
only saw the sad soul on the stretcher.
But I saw the whole picture -
and not one white face in the crowd.
Just whites -
taking care of a white.

When I saw pictures of rescue operations -
on the television -
I saw the helicopter
fly over blacks
standing on top of cars -
but the only helicopter rescues
that I saw
were of whites.
(I admittedly may have very limited TV
out here in the boonies.)

In the pictures in our papers -
The looters were black.
The shooters were white.
That is the shooters of the looters.
I have heard -
that the police were also looting -
and that (blacks I assume)
were shooting at the rescuers.

Conclusion:
No real provision to get the blacks out.
Before or after.
Said to my wife before -
they should be running in
buses, trucks, and every big plane -
they can find.

But they did the opposite.
No planes in - or out.
Okay - the companies wouldn't want
their planes in there.
Insurance problems - and all that.

But a commander-in-chief
that understood the problem -
could have commandeered the planes
and for a few hours -
made it look like the Berlin Airlift.

If it had been his children -
he would have.
He was able to do it
for his Arab friends
to get them out of the country
after 9/11
when no other planes were flying.

By train, truck, bus, plane -
the city could have been emptied,
with the warning that there was.
With a nuclear war -
there will be no warning.

You may feel -
that I am being unfair.
Perhaps I am -
but I can tell you
that there is a large group in America
that will look at those pictures -
and see them -
in the way that I am telling you.

And not just in America -
but in the world.
The dramatic rescues
that I am seeing on TV
of hundreds of boaters coming in
and rescuing people -
are white boaters -
rescuing white people.

All very touching.
But the blacks are drowning.

Many of you know -
that I am a Baha'i.
I have never quoted to you before -
Baha'i Scripture -
nor have I ever quoted to you
a Baha'i prophecy.
But I am going to do so -
this time.

"No less serious is the stress and strain imposed on the fabric of
American
society through the fundamental and persistent neglect, by the governed
and
governors alike, of the supreme, the inescapable and urgent duty -- so
repeatedly and graphically represented and stressed by 'Abdu'l-Bahá in
His
arraignment of the basic weaknesses in the social fabric of the nation
-- of
remedying, while there is yet time, through a revolutionary change in
the
concept and attitude of the average white American toward his Negro
fellow
citizen, a situation which, if allowed to drift, will, in the words of
'Abdu'l-Bahá, cause the streets of American cities to run with blood,
aggravating thereby the havoc which the fearful weapons of destruction,
raining from the air, and amassed by a ruthless, a vigilant, a powerful
and
inveterate enemy, will wreak upon those same cities."

(Shoghi Effendi, Citadel of Faith, p. 126)

There you have it all -
in one single sentence.

Now, you have seen the problem -
with your own eyes.

When the day of the great catastrophe comes
- raining from the air -
America will be divided into two armies.

One wearing one uniform -
the others another.

No one will know -
who is their friend.
Some will know -
who is their enemy.

You will not be able
to look at a person
and say he is a -
Catholic
Mormon
Jehovah's Witness
Republican
Democrat
Patriot
Communist
Atheist
Believer
Saint
Satan
Lawyer
Thief or
Banker
(but I am beginning to repeat myself).

The uniforms disguise them all equally.
But one group cannot remove
their uniform.
They will know that the others
will see their uniform -
and they know they are often despised.

Therefore -
while the wearers of the white uniform
may not know who their friends are
the wearers of the black uniform -
will band together,
because in numbers there may be security,
and they know who their enemy is.

I know I am being simplistic.
All models are simplistic.
Yes, there will be blacks
that will prey upon blacks -
and yes there will be whites
that will try to help blacks -
and blacks that will try to help whites.

But it is one thing to be simplistic -
it is another to be stupid -
and if one cannot see the message
that a large part of America
(AND THE WORLD)
is getting
from the events in New Orleans -
then I think that is stupid.

Sorry.
This is not characteristic of me.
I could certainly correct this -
before it goes out.
But -
I think the message is so important -
that I am going to let it stand.

Peace and love,
Bruce
Just thought I would share this with you guys. I was very surprised to find a white person thinking along these lines. Not the fact that a white has compassion for blacks but the fact that a white person can observe a scene as through the eyes of black person. The sad part is that its 2005 (almost 2006) and this is still an issue.

[stewey]

Most of the poor (the people left behind) in NO are black. The rescue workers rescue who they can, when they can -- I don't think it has to do with race. I have seen footage of black people being rescued.

[medicvet]

It might not matter in the end whether or not it was because of race..because that is how it is going to be perceived by many, and in something like this..where there is so much death and suffering, and fingerpointing and the blame game...well, in something like that, PERCEPTION IS EVERYTHING.

If our economy takes a downward sharp spiral..if 'compassion fatigue' sets in too soon, if ONE person that was at the astrodome goes off on a killing spree, if too many of the evacuees get sick..

things can get out of hand and pretty damn bad in a hurry.

It is times like this that all one can do is pray. And live the old russian adage" hope for the best, expect the worst.