armageddon was 1st used in the book called the apocolypse

[jeffweeder]

The whole idea of armageddon was gods prediction, ( on more than one occasion ) of the final war , that would destroy the whole world, at the end of the age. we all know that the bible is a old book ,the last book in the bible was written around 98ad, in a world with no technology, as far as destroying the world goes. so how can it be that one book, accually 66 books , many authors, living during the babylonian.greece, roman empires can paint a picture so clear so complex...for example, where this war would happen...who would be involved....why the war breaks out, and who wins. yet in order for this war to become a possibillity, a whole race of people would have reclaim their ancient land, after 2000 + yrs of exile . but it goes further, its not the people or country of Israel only, but the trigger for armageddon is its capital city...JERUSALEM and its status.. now if this is not coming to pass i am a monkeys uncle. so armageddon is the whole world gathered to fight against JERUSALEM, because Israel beleives God gave them the land. God says he will devastate all those natoins that come against his city .This isnt as far fetched as it seems, in the light of world events, look at the six day war in 1967 when israel kicked ass..syria,egypt.jordan etc attacked from north ,south and east, yet in 6 days they wiped out their airforces, tanks, etc and TOOK MORE OF THE LAND GOD PROMISED THEM. I dont attend church folks but their is a very definite unfolding of events here and hey love is gonna rule, so bring it on. hang on its gonna get rough.

[Virgo]

This is quite a complex story you're bringing up. But yeah, this still sound like what you'd expect from Gods chosen people. 6 days to defeat three different forces attacking from three directins is one heck ov' a challenge to pull off. And yet they did it. Makes you think a little about "messing with the jews" :D

[jeffweeder]

hello virgo....you havent seen anything yet unfortunatley, they bombed saddams nuclear plant in 51, guess whos next persia. modern day iran, there is still jews living in iran, from 2600 years ago. it was the persians who allowed the jews to rebuild the temple and go home after nebuchadnezzar destroyed it and took them into exile ...to babylon. saddam was rebuilding it, he thoiught he was a king in the order of ancient babylon who solved the jewish problem of his day. this is why he scud missiled israel during the 1st gulf war., hoping to draw them into it and get support from all the islamic neibours.,but as i said jerusalem is the issue that sparks international condemnation , and nuke war , but god will save his own out of it ,there is hope and you dont have to be a jew,

[Virgo]

So what you're basically saying is that the whole "arab world" is going to go after Israel, and Israel will still be the one coming out victor?

And don't you mean '91?

[jeffweeder]

worse than that virgo, the whole international community, all nations will gather there for battle. i think this can happen now bacause of the threat of terrorism we all want peace, but we get disaster, why, palestinian cause... they demand jerusalem this is bin ladens condition for peace, it is the palestinian condition for peace, and the world will demand israel comply...they will initially but the agreement will collapse. and the shite will hit the fan.... i think it was 51 when israel destroyed iraqs nuke plant....its in bbc archives anyway.

[Virgo]

It can't be 51. Saddam wasn't dictator in Iraq then.
Did Iraq even have atomic power in 51?

"The whole international community"... woosh, that's a whole lot of "soldiers". This really will be a war on unimaginable scale. But noo... Israel won't give Jerusalem up. Ever. It's the holiest city in the world to them. That would be like asking the Muslims to give up Mekka to build an american military base there.

[jeffweeder]

try 71 .... anyway they did it. its funny you should say no the wont give it up,but consider this jesus who is said to be messiah said to the the jews i have come in my fathers name and you dont receive, but the days will come when somebody else will come.. as messiah...in his own name , blowing his own trumpet, this person you will receive.

[Virgo]

"Whenever the time..." etc etc

So, you mean that the Jews will accept the anti-christ as their leader?
Ooh! Gosh golly! Flashback from "Left Behind" X3

[jeffweeder]

not into that left behind modern day christian crap, just an observer on what has been written in bible to see if it has any relevance

[Virgo]

Christian...crap? Are you pullin' one on me?
Well, sure, modern interpretation, but the writers both are experienced and cunning theologists. I think it's quite well made :3

[jeffweeder]

cant see a pre trib rapture thats all, people when the storm hits will think god has left them behind, kind of faith destroying dont you think. when lightening strikes in the west and is seen in the east then ill expect him.