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Jake99

Dec 21st, 2005, 12:45 PM

Kerravon you have not been out of the house and you rely on the words of others.
I never speak the words of others or the bible and I have been many places demonstrating the way as a man who was not of this world. Everyone has the same complaints what is the difference who you hear it from as in the Iraqi blogs. I have taken on the beast, hand to hand and eye to eye in schools, churches, playgrounds, the US Marines, numerous manufacturing plants and in the court rooms of many US states and I have yet to lose to anyone or anything I stood against. I mop the floor with the leaders you stand behind, in and at, every aspect of life, athletics, business management, law, engineering, military leadership and everything else I got involved with. Healing is my specialty and I have healed thousands with simple operating systems that turned chaos into peace and prosperity in the twinkling of an eye. I don't just talk the talk I have already walked the walk which resulted in one miracle after another from one side of the US to the other and back again.

jeffweeder

Dec 21st, 2005, 6:55 PM

by the rivers of babylon where he sat down with those girls there agood mate of sa a dam :band:

kerravon

Dec 21st, 2005, 8:26 PM

Kerravon: What does your wife think of you being God?

She doesn't believe me. She's still an atheist (as I was). She thinks that message 666 on 9/11 was a coincidence.

kerravon

Dec 21st, 2005, 8:29 PM

Kerravon you have not been out of the house and you rely on the words of others.

Wrong, I devoted my whole life to figuring out why my workmates didn't give a damn about institutionalized rape in Iraq. Just as you never gave a damn. If you were God's right hand man you would have had the protection of Iraqi women as your number 1 priority. You didn't. You aren't. You're just another fake, Jake. Successful court battles are not miracles. What is a miracle is me figuring out the solution to the world's problems in message 666 on 9/11.

Sammy56

Dec 22nd, 2005, 12:07 AM

She thinks that message 666 on 9/11 was a coincidence.
What is message 666 that took place on 9/11? I'm lost...

kerravon

Dec 22nd, 2005, 12:12 AM

What is message 666 that took place on 9/11? I'm lost...
This link:

http://antisubjugator.blogspot.com/2005/07/sign-of-beast.html

explains message 666 on 9/11.

evilwill

Dec 22nd, 2005, 5:28 AM

Kerravon, believe it or not there are more important things in this world to worry about than the conditions Iraqi women live under. And if you're such a concerned being then why aren't you doing something meaningful instead of complaining on an internet blog?

kerravon

Dec 22nd, 2005, 7:05 AM

Kerravon, believe it or not there are more important things in this world to worry about than the conditions Iraqi women live under.

There was NOTHING at the time that was more important than ensuring that the Iraqi women were never subjected to institutionalized rape ever again.

And if you're such a concerned being then why aren't you doing something meaningful instead of complaining on an internet blog?
Something like what? The US military is under civilian control. This war is going to be won or lost by civilians. I am trying to reach as many civilians as possible to try to convince them that we need more wars of liberation. Tell me how I can reach more civilians (especially US civilians) than what I am already doing. I also financially supported the Iraqi blogs so that we had a pro-liberation message coming from within Iraq.

What were you doing when all this was going on?

nrj

Dec 22nd, 2005, 11:17 AM

There was NOTHING at the time that was more important than ensuring that the Iraqi women were never subjected to institutionalized rape ever again. At that time, and during this time, children wandering on the street in Sao Paulo and Rio de Janeiro are being killed by policemen, simply because the polise don't see them as humans. That is not a priority? 10 million kids living in terror of being killed, even though they might have parents waiting for them at home?

Why didn't you do something about this?

(BTW, fuck that freedom map labeling Brazil as a free country.)

Beatnik Bob

Dec 22nd, 2005, 2:36 PM

Just like to share something.

Kerravon doesn't even believe that women are being raped in in Iraq.

Skygirl

Dec 22nd, 2005, 5:58 PM

Just like to share something.

Kerravon doesn't even believe that women are being raped in in Iraq.

Ah yes...it's all a simulation.

Jake99

Dec 22nd, 2005, 6:16 PM

Kerravon,

I intend to solve all earthly problems at the same time with nothing more than a simple system. Women are being raped all over the world and skin is being sold in every country, gambling runs the US economy etc.

No ownership, all non profit organizations, standard wages, currency and prices plus shipping and handling, all jobs posted on the internet and no secrets. Basic human needs for free and standardized free basic education over the internet. That is how simple it is to solve every problem in the twinkling of an eye. Rape will simply disappear or be dramatically reduced automatically.

kerravon

Dec 22nd, 2005, 9:06 PM

Just like to share something.

Kerravon doesn't even believe that women are being raped in in Iraq.
They're not being LEGALLY RAPED anymore. Under Saddam they were - INSTITUTIONALIZED RAPE.

kerravon

Dec 22nd, 2005, 9:10 PM

Kerravon,

I intend to solve all earthly problems at the same time with nothing more than a simple system. Women are being raped all over the world and skin is being sold in every country, gambling runs the US economy etc.

Communism is not the solution to rape, Jake. The solution to rape is to teach boys that it is noble to FIGHT SUBJUGATION. If you had spent your time analyzing the Iraqis, you may have discovered this secret yourself. But you weren't even there. You left the Iraqi women all alone and unprotected.

kerravon

Dec 22nd, 2005, 9:13 PM

At that time, and during this time, children wandering on the street in Sao Paulo and Rio de Janeiro are being killed by policemen, simply because the polise don't see them as humans. That is not a priority? 10 million kids living in terror of being killed, even though they might have parents waiting for them at home?

Why didn't you do something about this?

It is ILLEGAL to kill children in Brazil. It was LEGAL to rape women in Iraq. The world is not perfect, but the very least you can do is make rape and murder ILLEGAL. That is what we had an opportunity to do in Iraq. If only we could make democracy work and enshrine the rights of women into law. It was imperative that the Iraqis be analyzed to find out why/if they couldn't handle democracy.

(BTW, fuck that freedom map labeling Brazil as a free country.)
I believe freedomhouse's judgement over yours.

nrj

Dec 23rd, 2005, 4:49 AM

I believe freedomhouse's judgement over yours. My mother was in a bar in Sao Paulo in her early 20s, and suddenly this brazilian guy starts to hitting on her. You know, buying her drinks and the usual.

He had something like 4 lagers and became drunk as an egg, but my mother's always been a catious drinker and stayed sopher (I think that's the spelling).

Anyways, the guy turned out to be a cop, and he didn't miss an opportunity to point that out, and he asked my mother if she liked Brazil. She said it was nice, but she had heard so much about the children living on the streets she didn't know what to think. The cop was confused, and asked her why it was so strange with kids living on the streets. My mother said that if a child was seen walking around on the street in Sweden, with no food or parents, somebody would take care of him. Giving him a foster home or something. The cop replied:

"Here we shoot the kids. They have nothing to do out on the streets."

And my mother first thought it was a joke, but after she had continued longer into the conversation my mother understood he was serious. After a while, his partners came and dragged him away yelling in portugese.

My mother stayed in Sao Paulo for about 2 months and she's also told me about a child she gave some money to in the street. She was invited home to dinner with his family, and they told her a horrific story about one of their children just disapearing, and they found her later behind their house with a bullet in her brain.

Well, maybe this post was longer than it deserved, but this is my mothers word. Though I guess you're just one if those gods who says: "Bah! Lies! I don't even have to check it, 'cause this web site would never lie."

It is ILLEGAL to kill children in Brazil.
Right, now tell that to the brazilian police department and fix it, god boy.

kerravon

Dec 23rd, 2005, 5:21 AM

Right, now tell that to the brazilian police department and fix it, god boy.
If you suspect a Brazilian cop is disobeying the law you should report it to the police.

Compare that to Iraq. If you were raped by Uday you can't report it to the police because the police are there to protect Uday's "right" to rape women.

There was an opportunity to bring human rights to Iraqi women so that they were never unprotected again. I repeat - there was nothing more important than ensuring that Iraqi women were not LEGALLY RAPED by their own government ever again.

Alleged problems in Brazil's enforcement of the rule of law are best solved diplomatically. Ending Iraq's INSTITUTIONALIZED horror was best done via war, as Saddam didn't respond to diplomatic or economic pressure. The least-worst option was to go to war.

I am curious to know what you expected me to do about Brazil - a free country which already has good laws.

My mother was in a bar in Sao Paulo in her early 20s

Also, countries change over time. Freedomhouse's characterization of Brazil as "free" is a judgement on the country NOW, not decades ago.

kerravon

Dec 23rd, 2005, 5:43 AM

My mother was in a bar in Sao Paulo in her early 20s

You need to check your almanac. The year is 2005 and Freedom House's categorization of Brazil as free is from 2005.

Right, now tell that to the brazilian police department and fix it, god boy.
Update your almanac and you'll find that the problem has already been fixed, hence the rating of "free". I can't believe you quoted anecdotal evidence from decades ago as "proof" that there was something more important than ending institutionalized rape in Iraq.

nrj

Dec 23rd, 2005, 6:39 AM

Update your almanac and you'll find that the problem has already been fixed, hence the rating of "free". My mother's been there more times then that one, visting that family. We send them money and write letters to each other, and they are yet to tell us that it has been fixed.

kerravon

Dec 23rd, 2005, 6:55 AM

My mother's been there more times then that one, visting that family. We send them money and write letters to each other, and they are yet to tell us that it has been fixed.
So? What are your charges against the Brazilian police force in 2005? And what evidence do you have? And how would you suggest fixing it? And why do you judge a whole country on what one family says, rather than doing proper research like Freedom House does? You can read reports on every country at Freedom House.

nrj

Dec 23rd, 2005, 7:03 AM

So? What are your charges against the Brazilian police force in 2005? Well, I have no evidence and the family is scared of doing it, so it wouldn't have mattered.
And why do you judge a whole country on what one family says, rather than doing proper research like Freedom House does? And what resaerch did they do? Ask every Brazilian family about how they were treated by the goverment? And if they did ask people how they were treated in Brazil, I would bet they just asked the rick whities in downtown Rio. And my judgement comes from my own experience.
You can read reports on every country at Freedom House. Thanks, but no thanks. That map of theirs made me laugh, so I can just imagine what half-task research they've done.

kerravon

Dec 23rd, 2005, 7:47 AM

Well, I have no evidence and the family is scared of doing it, so it wouldn't have mattered. And what resaerch did they do? Ask every Brazilian family about how they were treated by the goverment? And if they did ask people how they were treated in Brazil, I would bet they just asked the rick whities in downtown Rio. And my judgement comes from my own experience. Thanks, but no thanks. That map of theirs made me laugh, so I can just imagine what half-task research they've done.
You didn't answer my questions. What exactly do you want done that you think I should have done (being God and all) that was a higher priority than obtaining AND KEEPING legal protection for Iraqi women to not be raped.

evilwill

Dec 23rd, 2005, 8:10 AM

There was NOTHING at the time that was more important than ensuring that the Iraqi women were never subjected to institutionalized rape ever again.

That is terribly naive to say that there was nothing more important going on. Yes it's a horrible thing to happen but that is in one place, with a select group upon a planet of over 6 billion. You CANNOT say with 100% certainty that preventing this particular event was more important than many other events occurring around the rest of the world.

Something like what? The US military is under civilian control. This war is going to be won or lost by civilians. I am trying to reach as many civilians as possible to try to convince them that we need more wars of liberation. Tell me how I can reach more civilians (especially US civilians) than what I am already doing. I also financially supported the Iraqi blogs so that we had a pro-liberation message coming from within Iraq.

What were you doing when all this was going on?

If you really want to reach more US civilians then you need to get your ass on television. The internet is massive and the chances of finding your blog are not in your favour.

When this was going on, I was getting an education. Also, I'm making no claim to be anywhere near as empathetic as you claim to be.

Tell me, what has convinced you that the plight of the Iraqi women takes priority over everything else in the world?

kerravon

Dec 23rd, 2005, 8:21 AM

That is terribly naive to say that there was nothing more important going on. Yes it's a horrible thing to happen but that is in one place, with a select group upon a planet of over 6 billion. You CANNOT say with 100% certainty that preventing this particular event was more important than many other events occurring around the rest of the world.

It was only this event that was going to provide a change to 27 million people and set the stage for more liberations.

If you really want to reach more US civilians then you need to get your ass on television. The internet is massive and the chances of finding your blog are not in your favour.

How? Any suggestions?

When this was going on, I was getting an education. Also, I'm making no claim to be anywhere near as empathetic as you claim to be.

Sure, that's fine. You don't need to shoulder this burden yourself. That's what I'm here for.

Tell me, what has convinced you that the plight of the Iraqi women takes priority over everything else in the world?
Because an OPPORTUNITY arose. An opportunity to instantly change the laws that 27 million Iraqis were living under. It is the laws that needed to be fixed. This was the maximum bang per buck from a humanitarian point of view. But only if it WORKED. It was critical to find out if there was any reason why the Iraqis couldn't have a normal democracy like we live in.

nrj

Dec 23rd, 2005, 8:48 AM

You didn't answer my questions. What exactly do you want done that you think I should have done (being God and all) that was a higher priority than obtaining AND KEEPING legal protection for Iraqi women to not be raped. Making blogs about the clean water program, for example. We have about 1,5 billion people without any fresh water around the world, and making a blog about that, or better: join the Red Cross or any other federation wich strives to give the third world fresh water, would be saving more people. Not that the quantity matters, though.

More examples are: cancer research funding, parasit research funding etc. wich also kills hundreds of millions of people.

kerravon

Dec 23rd, 2005, 9:02 AM

Making blogs about the clean water program, for example. We have about 1,5 billion people without any fresh water around the world, and making a blog about that, or better: join the Red Cross or any other federation wich strives to give the third world fresh water, would be saving more people. Not that the quantity matters, though.

More examples are: cancer research funding, parasit research funding etc. wich also kills hundreds of millions of people.
There are people already doing these things, and they are indeed wonderful people. However, no-one was looking out for the rights of the Iraqi women. That's where I come in. I fill the gap that no-one else is doing. I put my effort in to the place that is going to make the most difference to fix the world. That is my goal - to fix the world. If Iraq joins the rest of the free world, then Iraqis will end up contributing to such causes as clean water also. The maximum leverage is obtained by ripping away Iraq's state revenue from a dictator and giving it instead to the Iraqi people. This will also improve their water and sanitation, just like you wanted. Rather than wasting money on palaces for Saddam. Understand?

nrj

Dec 23rd, 2005, 10:12 AM

There are people already doing these things, and they are indeed wonderful people. However, no-one was looking out for the rights of the Iraqi women. That's where I come in. I fill the gap that no-one else is doing. I put my effort in to the place that is going to make the most difference to fix the world. That is my goal - to fix the world. You think the USA will "fix" Iraq? Yeah, I'll bet they'll fix something, all right. Like they did with the native americans.
If Iraq joins the rest of the free world, then Iraqis will end up contributing to such causes as clean water also. That free world map labels Argentina as a free country, yet it doesn't help the world cancer fund, the world water fund or any of those things. In fact, they are a country with loads of people without any clean water, so is Brazil and India to.
The maximum leverage is obtained by ripping away Iraq's state revenue from a dictator and giving it instead to the Iraqi people. This will also improve their water and sanitation, just like you wanted. Rather than wasting money on palaces for Saddam. Understand? No, I do not understand how you can blindly believe the U.S. invaded Iraq just for the cause of the women. They did it because they thought they had WMDs, and it's just until recently Bush actually admited there weren't any WMDs there.

Sure, you will get no argument from me about Saddam was an asshole, but so was Bush to. My philosophy is, still, two wrongs doesn't make a right. Saddam did wrong, so did Bush.

kerravon

Dec 23rd, 2005, 10:35 AM

No, I do not understand how you can blindly believe the U.S. invaded Iraq just for the cause of the women.

I never said they did. However, a by-product of invading for a WMD search was that the Iraqi women would get legal protection. It is this by-product that SHOULD have had everyone saying "frankly, I don't give a damn if there are WMD there or not, it's an opportunity to free 27 million people from state-slavery and end institutionalized rape". That is what *I* was saying at the time. Why wasn't everyone else saying the same thing? That was a riddle for me to solve. The answer is to do with tribes.

Sure, you will get no argument from me about Saddam was an asshole, but so was Bush to. My philosophy is, still, two wrongs doesn't make a right. Saddam did wrong, so did Bush.
By comparing Bush to Saddam, you are belittling the suffering of the Iraqi people. And Bush didn't do a "wrong". He liberated 27 million people. That's a "right".

Jake99

Dec 23rd, 2005, 1:44 PM

Children are dying and being killed all over the world because the basics needs of life are not met by governments. Why is it so hard for you to understand the benefits of giving what is needed to all people for free. This world has the same problem it did in the beginning, lack of cooperation and greed. Get simple and wake up, or we will all perish at the hands of the systems and leaders who have created this mess. Swords to plowshares in the twinkling of an eye is what I always bring and leave behind.

kerravon

Dec 23rd, 2005, 3:07 PM

Get simple and wake up, or we will all perish at the hands of the systems and leaders who have created this mess.
Our first-world countries are NOT a mess, they are a success story. It was capitalism that built up our countries. Communism has only ever destroyed. You should be trying to spread capitalism to the 3rd world so that it can drag itself out of poverty. Instead, you're flogging a dead horse. And then there's the inconvenient fact that you didn't give a damn about the Iraqi women being raped by their own government. You're a fake, Jake. It's you who needs to wake up and face reality.

Defiant Noquisi

Dec 23rd, 2005, 3:46 PM

And then there's the inconvenient fact that you didn't give a damn about the Iraqi women being raped by their own government. I find it stellar that a guy who claims he is God, tells us that we are part of a computer program and everything we know is fake, can be so damned anal retentive when it comes to this. Curiously, he virtually screams about INSTITUTIONALIZED rape but once a law is passed making it illegal, he is satisfied. Yep, regular rape is ok as long as there is a law against it.

But all that rape was fake right? Being it was a simulation?

B.NyeTheUruk-Hai

Dec 23rd, 2005, 4:09 PM

kerravon

Dec 24th, 2005, 6:22 PM

I think that the more burning question for Kerravon here is not whether Brazil is a free country or not. The question is "Where were YOU, Kerravon, when the Brazilian street kids were being used for target practice?" The Brazilian blogs were OVERFLOWING with EIGHT people who were ENSURING that this problem would be solved immediately. You weren't there. Why not?
Brazil is already a free country. That's the "best technology" we have. Did you report this alleged human rights violation to the Brazilian police? What was the result? In Iraq, you couldn't report the problem to the police, because Saddam WAS the police! So where was I? In the place that mattered - analyzing the Iraqis to ensure that they didn't lose their human rights again. Where were YOU? What were you doing that had higher priority than ensuring women were never legally raped by their own government ever again?

kerravon

Dec 24th, 2005, 6:24 PM

I find it stellar that a guy who claims he is God, tells us that we are part of a computer program and everything we know is fake, can be so damned anal retentive when it comes to this. Curiously, he virtually screams about INSTITUTIONALIZED rape but once a law is passed making it illegal, he is satisfied. Yep, regular rape is ok as long as there is a law against it.

But all that rape was fake right? Being it was a simulation?
Regular rape is not OK either. Did you have a suggestion for solving that problem? I have. Teach boys that fighting subjugation is noble. It's part of my new religion - www.moatazilla.org. Do you really care about regular rape? If so, what are you going to do to spread my new religion. Let me guess. You don't really care.

kerravon

Dec 24th, 2005, 7:24 PM

Let me try to explain it again for the particularly dense:

The "best technology" we have is to make human rights abuses illegal (this involves analyzing the government), and then have the police to investigate any breach of the law.

In all free countries, which includes Brazil, human rights abuses are illegal. That's it. That's the most anyone knows how to do. Make it illegal and teach children to obey the law. Even better if you make it part of religion. If anyone has any brighter ideas, let me know.

Now in countries like Saddam's Iraq, it wasn't illegal for Saddam to have women raped, or for Uday to abduct women, rape them, then feed them to his Dobermans. The solution to this problem is much simpler. All you need to do is topple the government and replace it with a government that respects human rights. Then Iraqi women suddenly get police protection of their rights, which is what is required. Now the US government had done the first bit - toppling the government. What was unsure was whether the replacement government would respect human rights or whether Iraq would return to having an insidious dictator. It was absolutely crucial to ensure that a dictator didn't return, as the fate of 27 million people were at stake. It was necessary to understand what was in their culture or genes that made all Arab countries dictatorships. This is what I spent my time doing - coming up with a solution for all dictatorships. There was nothing more important in the world than securing the rights of 27 million people. Rights enshrined in law, with a police force that obeys the law. This was the opportunity that should not be squandered.

B.NyeTheUruk-Hai

Dec 25th, 2005, 9:05 PM

Did you report this alleged human rights violation to the Brazilian police? What was the result? In Iraq, you couldn't report the problem to the police, because Saddam WAS the police!
It was the POLICE that were using the kids as target practice. So yeah, you couldn't report the problem to the police.

So where was I? In the place that mattered - analyzing the Iraqis to ensure that they didn't lose their human rights again.
Yeah, but you SHOULD have been on the Brazilian blogs to ensure that the kids didn't lose their human LIVES. Which is more important? Saving human rights or saving human LIVES? Where were you, kerravon? Where were you?

Where were YOU? What were you doing that had higher priority than ensuring women were never legally raped by their own government ever again?
I was on the Brazilian blogs ensuring that the kids weren't killed. Getting killed is worse than losing your human rights. Where were you, kerravon? Where were you? For shame...

Jake99

Dec 27th, 2005, 12:01 PM

This world cannot afford to be as wasteful and environmentally unsound as the US. If you ran a business the way the US government runs you would be out of business in one minute. Making money out of trees and charging a fortune on your credit card that you have no intention of repaying and stressing everyone out is hardly a success story. What the US is creating is a police state with borders around everything, that is hardly freedom. The american way is causing huge environmental damage and I have every intention of stopping that as if it is the most important thing of all. With the exception of the regrettable loss of life, I find the Twin Towers, the Pentagon, the Cole, US Embassies and Oklahoma city bombings to be necessary and right on target. I don't want or need your salesman, taxman, money changers or your militaries and your judges and politicians belong behind bars, if I believed in such things. This is an every man for himself world and I want to change that to a collective effort. And may all your small businesses be out of business as soon as possible, they are wasteful, destructive and inefficient.
At the point when you follow christ the rapes you complain of and have never been able to stop will simply not happen anymore. I bet I can put most of your newspapers out of business in one year just by solving the problems you complain of, leaving them and you with nothing bad to write about. But I have done that many times before so its nothing new to me.

kerravon

Dec 27th, 2005, 8:42 PM

It was the POLICE that were using the kids as target practice. So yeah, you couldn't report the problem to the police.

You CAN report the problem to the police. What year did this happen and what happened when you tried reporting it to the police. In Iraq you couldn't report a rape by Uday to the police, because it WASN'T ILLEGAL for Uday/Saddam to rape women. They could do whatever they wanted. Do you understand this? It's quite simple.

Yeah, but you SHOULD have been on the Brazilian blogs to ensure that the kids didn't lose their human LIVES. Which is more important? Saving human rights or saving human LIVES? Where were you, kerravon? Where were you?

What exactly did you want me to do on the Brazilian blogs about some alleged malpractice by Brazilian cop(s)? You simply report that to the police, because it is ILLEGAL. Do you understand the difference between LEGAL and ILLEGAL?

I was on the Brazilian blogs ensuring that the kids weren't killed. Getting killed is worse than losing your human rights. Where were you, kerravon? Where were you? For shame...
What exactly did you do on the Brazilian blogs to ensure that kids weren't killed? Brazil is already a free country. It's already as good as it gets. What are you proposing? Anything? Or just blowing hot air?

kerravon

Dec 27th, 2005, 8:50 PM

This world cannot afford to be as wasteful and environmentally unsound as the US.

Jake, what you need to get through your thick head is:

1. The world cannot afford a communist system which has been proven to be an abject failure, along with human rights abuses at the hands of the fanatical followers.

2. You're not God's right hand man. You're just another idiot who thinks that communism will work if only it is "done right".

3. Just because the bible says something doesn't make it true. The bible says that you should stone your own children to death if they are disobedient.

Wake up, Jake, wake up!

B.NyeTheUruk-Hai

Dec 28th, 2005, 9:41 AM

What exactly did you do on the Brazilian blogs to ensure that kids weren't killed?
And what exactly did YOU do on the Iraqi blogs to ensure that the Iraqi women weren't raped?

Jake99

Dec 28th, 2005, 11:16 AM

I stand on my accomplishments and they are way beyond anything you or anyone else have ever seen before, in nearly every subject. My specialty has been making systems work that others failed to make work so don't tell me what does not work when I keep proving that it does. Many people have said if that if I say it will work it will and trusted me to do as I wished and were rewarded beyond belief. This is Satan's world and that is clear by the results, and the results of my world created the opposite effect bringing peace and prosperity to the same systems that your leaders have no success with. Put the weapons of mass destruction down and stop committing crimes against humanity and the environment. Stop pointing fingers and fix the problems which is what I did. I am for basics for free and no charities, competition through working for luxuries, in one simple operating system that has none of the money changers, negotiators and possession lawyers you have left in charge. What is wrong with standard currency, wages and prices, its fair and easy and non corruptible. Call it what you want but I have never recorded an operational failure or received a recurring complaint while running one of the largest businesses in the world. GW Bush and Bill and Hillary Clinton do not qualify to run a roadside Kool aide stand and they have no success story. Let me build and operate high speed bakeries all over the world so at least bread is free, its so easy and it gets rid of all the holy rollers that waste their time raising funds for charity while millions starve to death and suffer. Proper clothing and decent shelter as well as medical attention are simple operations as well, that should be standard human rights needs. This is the same thing that Jesus was said to believe in and it is the opposite of what the world has embraced. I have never been asleep which is why I have been relentlessly fighting against your leadership and ways and winning every time since I was 10 years old.

kerravon

Dec 28th, 2005, 11:29 AM

And what exactly did YOU do on the Iraqi blogs to ensure that the Iraqi women weren't raped?
Good question. The first thing I did was explain again and again to all the Americans in the blogs that what they did was a wonderful and noble deed. This provided a non-American view strongly in favour of the war, so that the Americans knew they weren't alone. This was an effort to keep the Americans voting for Bush so that they didn't prematurely exit Iraq. A premature exit would mean descent into chaos and another Saddam likely to emerge.

The second thing I did was to analyze the anti-war people and find out why they were objecting to the liberation of Iraqi women. Why didn't they care?

The third thing I did was to analyze the Iraqis, to find out why some of them weren't happy to be liberated.

The fourth thing I did was to analyze why men raped in the first place.

And while all this was taking place, you weren't even a spectator.

kerravon

Dec 28th, 2005, 11:36 AM

Let me build and operate high speed bakeries all over the world so at least bread is free, its so easy and it gets rid of all the holy rollers that waste their time raising funds for charity while millions starve to death and suffer.

Actually, if you'd bothered to notice, you would have found that no-one starves to death anymore unless there is a civil war preventing aid deliveries. Our capitalist societies have been so successful that we can afford to keep the rest of the world alive too. What is required is for the rest of the world to adopt capitalism so that they can fend for themselves instead of having a dogma shoved down their throat.

You haven't been touched by God, Jake. Trust me, I should know.

New Creature

Dec 28th, 2005, 6:08 PM

3. Just because the bible says something doesn't make it true. The bible says that you should stone your own children to death if they are disobedient.
Wake up, Jake, wake up!

Scripture please.

Panda

Dec 28th, 2005, 6:23 PM

The word 'holy' signifies being set apart for a religious or divine use or purpose.
The word 'divine' signifies being or having the nature of a God.
The Bible contains no definition of God, but contains many allusions to His being and attributes i.e. God is Spirit (John 4:24).
Spirit is the vital principle or animating force within living things.

Spirit is Life, therefore Life is Spirit.
God is Spirit, therefore Spirit is God.
Therefore life is God.
God is divine, therefore life is divine.
Divine is holy, therefore life is holy.

I am living, therefore I have spirit, therefore I am God, therefore I am divine, therefore I am Holy.

Quod Erat Demonstrandum... I am Holy.

Hoorah for Chrysippus' logic!

(NB. I do not actually have any pretensions to being God. Please do not shout BLASPHEMING INFIDEL! BURN IN HELL FOUL HERETIC! I'm sure we're all mature enough for this. Take not the trouble to flame me, for I really won't care.)

kerravon

Dec 28th, 2005, 9:09 PM

Scripture please.
There's a complete list here:
http://www.free-minds.org/bible.htm

The one I referred to was:
Deuteronomy 21:18-21 "If a man has a stubborn and rebellious son, who will not obey the voice of his father or the voice of his mother, and, though they chastise him, will not give heed to them, then his father and his mother shall take hold of him and bring him out to the elders of his city at the gate of the place where he lives, and they shall say to the elders of his city, `This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton and a drunkard.' Then all the men of the city shall stone him to death with stones; so you shall purge the evil from your midst; and all Israel shall hear, and fear.

And before you try to write this off as only the Old Testament, please read Matthew 5 verses 17-20.

New Creature

Dec 29th, 2005, 7:29 PM

There's a complete list here:
http://www.free-minds.org/bible.htm

The one I referred to was:
Deuteronomy 21:18-21 "If a man has a stubborn and rebellious son, who will not obey the voice of his father or the voice of his mother, and, though they chastise him, will not give heed to them, then his father and his mother shall take hold of him and bring him out to the elders of his city at the gate of the place where he lives, and they shall say to the elders of his city, `This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton and a drunkard.' Then all the men of the city shall stone him to death with stones; so you shall purge the evil from your midst; and all Israel shall hear, and fear.

And before you try to write this off as only the Old Testament, please read Matthew 5 verses 17-20.

If its scriptual its scriptual, however in your context you implied young children. A young child does not deserve capital punishment. This simple says to me that a law is a law. Modern day America does not stone people for criminal acts. However if I was to disobey the law then my parents have ever right and obligation to turn me over to the autorities.

Philosopher Foelhe

Dec 29th, 2005, 11:31 PM

You CAN report the problem to the police. What year did this happen and what happened when you tried reporting it to the police.

... You realize that's like walking up to a murderer and saying, "Excuse me, but I just saw you kill that person. What are you going to do about it?" No, I take it back. That's not like doing that, you are doing that. The fact that this cop didn't have any trouble talking about it in the open doesn't exactly speak highly of his superior's morals.

Just because somebody wears a uniform and carries a badge doesn't mean they're a just person.

This simple says to me that a law is a law. Modern day America does not stone people for criminal acts. However if I was to disobey the law then my parents have ever right and obligation to turn me over to the autorities.

Not to be rude, but that's a pretty creative translation there. The verse mentions nothing about the child breaking laws; quite the contrary, it says the child is rebellious and stubborn, and won't listen to his parents. Those are the reasons given for killing him.

Jake99

Dec 30th, 2005, 12:16 PM

If every country were as wasteful, complicated, environmentally unsound and destructive as the US, the world would just escalate the wars and deplete resources at a faster pace. I have no problem with materialism its the salesman, advertiser and excess packaging, war machines and middle men I stand against.

The only way to fix this world is to change to one simple and fair operating system, anything else is just a waste of time and energy. Man has had 2000 years or more of this system and is at the brink of causing global destruction. All are on the wrong path.....

kerravon

Dec 31st, 2005, 1:21 AM

... You realize that's like walking up to a murderer and saying, "Excuse me, but I just saw you kill that person. What are you going to do about it?" No, I take it back. That's not like doing that, you are doing that. The fact that this cop didn't have any trouble talking about it in the open doesn't exactly speak highly of his superior's morals.

Just because somebody wears a uniform and carries a badge doesn't mean they're a just person.

You are quoting an anecdote that allegedly occurred when Brazil had a military dictatorship. Adjust your almanac. It's 2005 and Brazil is a free country. You can report a corrupt cop to the police, the same as you would do in USA or Australia.

kerravon

Dec 31st, 2005, 1:25 AM

The only way to fix this world is to change to one simple and fair operating system, anything else is just a waste of time and energy. Man has had 2000 years or more of this system and is at the brink of causing global destruction. All are on the wrong path.....
No Jake. Communism is a waste of time and energy. The thing that has proven to work is secular capitalist liberal democracy. I know it hurts you to have to face this fact, but it's the one thing that we have learned after 2000 years of trying alternative systems.

kerravon

Dec 31st, 2005, 1:30 AM

If its scriptual its scriptual, however in your context you implied young children. A young child does not deserve capital punishment. This simple says to me that a law is a law. Modern day America does not stone people for criminal acts. However if I was to disobey the law then my parents have ever right and obligation to turn me over to the autorities.
Being disobedient is not breaking the law. Capital punishment - actually, I should say "torture to death" - should not be applied to adults, nevermind innocent children. Quite simply, THE BIBLE IS NOT THE WORD OF GOD. Get over it.

Philosopher Foelhe

Dec 31st, 2005, 2:05 AM

You are quoting an anecdote that allegedly occurred when Brazil had a military dictatorship. Adjust your almanac. It's 2005 and Brazil is a free country.

I'm not really talking about a certain time or place. You suggested a solution to a problem which was unrealistic. I'm just pointing that out. Whether Brazil is actually free is not something I'd bother to speculate on, unless I thought I could actually do something about it. (Bitching about it in my LiveJournal is not actually doing something about it.)

You can report a corrupt cop to the police, the same as you would do in USA or Australia.

And if you don't know how far the corruption goes, if you step into the mess you're trying to fix, you're basically handing the bad guys your ass on a silver platter.

The fact of the matter is, the law doesn't matter one whit if the police aren't interested in upholding it. Which is not to say making honorable laws isn't an important step - it is - but to put those laws in place and then say, "Well, that's taken care of! Nothing to worry about here!" is the very definition of dangerous naivete.

kerravon

Dec 31st, 2005, 6:46 PM

The fact of the matter is, the law doesn't matter one whit if the police aren't interested in upholding it. Which is not to say making honorable laws isn't an important step - it is - but to put those laws in place and then say, "Well, that's taken care of! Nothing to worry about here!" is the very definition of dangerous naivete.
As you have acknowledged, making honorable laws is an important first step. This was the step that hadn't been made in Iraq, and badly needed correcting. Getting cops up to speed is a separate issue, and you have no evidence that the Brazilian cops are not up to speed. Regardless, getting them up to speed is not something that requires in-depth analysis. It is up to the government (and Brazil has a free government) to organize. No external intervention is required or useful.

External intervention into Iraq however was exactly what the doctor ordered. And furthermore it required in-depth analysis of Iraqi/Arab/Muslim psyche to find out why Arab countries always seem to have dictatorships. That is the task I embarked on. It was the OPTIMAL path to choose for anyone who had a desire to fix the world. That is my point.

nrj

Dec 31st, 2005, 7:15 PM

External intervention into Iraq however was exactly what the doctor ordered. And furthermore it required in-depth analysis of Iraqi/Arab/Muslim psyche to find out why Arab countries always seem to have dictatorships. That is the task I embarked on. It was the OPTIMAL path to choose for anyone who had a desire to fix the world. That is my point. The answer's in history, not their psyche. How come Dubai is a free country, yet it hasn't been "liberated" by the US?

Philosopher Foelhe

Jan 1st, 2006, 1:02 AM

Getting cops up to speed is a separate issue, and you have no evidence that the Brazilian cops are not up to speed.

I'm arguing not just from this particular point, but from a composite of your viewpoints throughout this forum. When Defiant Noquisi said that rape was a problem for Native American women, you accused her of making the whole thing up. You acknowledge the need for the law to be supported here, but you don't always take this into account.

It is up to the government (and Brazil has a free government) to organize. No external intervention is required or useful.

If organizations dependably grew better with age, we'd be living in a much nicer world than we are now. You can't depend on a corrupt government to start flying right all on its lonesome - once entropy takes ahold of a system, it tends to keep mucking things up until something else interferes.

External intervention into Iraq however was exactly what the doctor ordered.

Careful, analytical external intervention was what the doctor ordered. Frankly, I don't think we got it. The U.S. forced their way into the system and placed their own beliefs in Iraq. And while I agree that most of those beliefs were positive, the changes aren't anchored by the Iraqi people. If a wall isn't supported, it'll topple under pressure, and in a country like Iraq, pressure is easy to find.

Defiant Noquisi

Jan 1st, 2006, 11:57 AM

about some alleged malpractice by Brazilian cop(s)? You simply report that to the police, because it is ILLEGAL. Holy shit! Are you really that ignorant? I mean really kerravon, how could you not see the ramifications of this? A person reporting the crime to the very people who are commiting it? Do you know what this would mean to the person reporting? Are you that completely ignorant that you can't understand that just because there is a law DOES NOT mean it will be enforced?

kerravon

Jan 1st, 2006, 8:52 PM

Holy shit! Are you really that ignorant? I mean really kerravon, how could you not see the ramifications of this? A person reporting the crime to the very people who are commiting it? Do you know what this would mean to the person reporting? Are you that completely ignorant that you can't understand that just because there is a law DOES NOT mean it will be enforced?
Brazil is exactly the same as Australia or the US. If you see a corrupt cop, you report him to DIFFERENT POLICE! You don't go and tar all cops with the same brush.

kerravon

Jan 1st, 2006, 8:56 PM

I'm arguing not just from this particular point, but from a composite of your viewpoints throughout this forum. When Defiant Noquisi said that rape was a problem for Native American women, you accused her of making the whole thing up. You acknowledge the need for the law to be supported here, but you don't always take this into account.

I said no such thing.

Careful, analytical external intervention was what the doctor ordered. Frankly, I don't think we got it. The U.S. forced their way into the system and placed their own beliefs in Iraq. And while I agree that most of those beliefs were positive, the changes aren't anchored by the Iraqi people. If a wall isn't supported, it'll topple under pressure, and in a country like Iraq, pressure is easy to find.
The Iraqi people are no longer being subjugated. That's a whopping great change for the better. That is exactly what is required throughout the world - an end to subjugation.

kerravon

Jan 1st, 2006, 9:00 PM

The answer's in history, not their psyche. How come Dubai is a free country, yet it hasn't been "liberated" by the US?
Dubai is a city. The UAE is not a free country. See http://www.freedomhouse.org/research/freeworld/2005/map2005.pdf

kerravon

Jan 1st, 2006, 9:30 PM

Holy shit! Are you really that ignorant? I mean really kerravon, how could you not see the ramifications of this? A person reporting the crime to the very people who are commiting it? Do you know what this would mean to the person reporting? Are you that completely ignorant that you can't understand that just because there is a law DOES NOT mean it will be enforced?
Also, you have demonstrated another facet of living in a free country - you can use your freedom of speech to complain about cops. Under Saddam, you would have your tongue cut out if you had any complaints. Stop trying to compare Saddam's Iraq to modern-day Brazil or USA. It makes a mockery of REAL suffering by REAL Iraqis.

B.NyeTheUruk-Hai

Jan 2nd, 2006, 11:46 AM

Brazil is exactly the same as Australia or the US. If you see a corrupt cop, you report him to DIFFERENT POLICE! You don't go and tar all cops with the same brush.
I've got an idea. Why don't YOU report it to the Brazilian police and we'll see what happens to you? Yeah, I didn't think so...

kerravon

Jan 2nd, 2006, 7:25 PM

I've got an idea. Why don't YOU report it to the Brazilian police and we'll see what happens to you? Yeah, I didn't think so...
You want me to report an anecdotal incident from decades ago? Sorry, there's more important things to do - like ensure that the Iraqis are never subjected to another Saddam Hussein. It's a shame your priorities are so screwed up.

Jake99

Jan 3rd, 2006, 11:37 AM

Kerravon

I have changed hundreds of systems with complete success and just because another leader in a world of different systems could not make Communism work does not mean that on a global basis it would not work to perfection. All of the managers before me used different systems that I changed dramatically in ways they said they could not make work. And no one has changed a thing since, nor did they ever take your attitude again.

Have you not heard and seen that this is Satans world? Anyone standing behind Satan's systems wears the same goat horns.

kerravon

Jan 3rd, 2006, 8:24 PM

I have changed hundreds of systems with complete success and just because another leader in a world of different systems could not make Communism work does not mean that on a global basis it would not work to perfection. All of the managers before me used different systems that I changed dramatically in ways they said they could not make work. And no one has changed a thing since, nor did they ever take your attitude again.

Jake, as I have already explained to you, you can implement communism on top of a capitalist infrastructure. There is nothing preventing you from starting a giant hippy farm where like-minded people give according to their ability and take according to their needs. Hell, even when you start running out of food, the capitalists will bail you out, because capitalists are such big-hearted people.

Have you not heard and seen that this is Satans world? Anyone standing behind Satan's systems wears the same goat horns.
There is no Satan.

Jake99

Jan 4th, 2006, 10:54 AM

Kerravon,

I have had my foot on Satans head my whole life and Capitalism is his name. I have every intention of putting the chaotic and complicated system you endorse to its death and I have been defeating your leaders in every endeavor as if they were children for decades. I wonder have you ever been out of the house, much less fixed, stood against this way of life, or led anything? You want to go the same direction as the ship of fools that proceeded you and you expect to end up somewhere new. As you sail through the fog remember there is a cliff you wont see coming until it is too late. I like hippies far better than soldiers and I have led and been with both of them.

Beatnik Bob

Jan 4th, 2006, 12:07 PM

They're not being LEGALLY RAPED anymore. Under Saddam they were - INSTITUTIONALIZED RAPE. But you still think it's all a simulation, raped legaly or illegaly.

But tell me....why do you say that we have memories in order to help us learn, because you say that were just simulations...so it really doesn't matter what we figure out at all. Judging by your theory we aren't even really anywhere but in the program.

Also I don't have any memories of the holocaust.
And many people think the holocaust never even happened. What help is that kerravon? We aren't learning from the past are we?

But that's what the memories are supost to do for us, help us remember the past and not repeat it...and learn...

Aparently G-d isn't putting in memories well enough, not many are learning.

Beatnik Bob

Jan 4th, 2006, 12:11 PM

I have had my foot on Satans head my whole life and Capitalism is his name. I have every intention of putting the chaotic and complicated system you endorse to its death and I have been defeating your leaders in every endeavor as if they were children for decades. I wonder have you ever been out of the house, much less fixed, stood against this way of life, or led anything? You want to go the same direction as the ship of fools that proceeded you and you expect to end up somewhere new. As you sail through the fog remember there is a cliff you wont see coming until it is too late. I like hippies far better than soldiers and I have led and been with both of them.
I suppose this was suppost to inspire us or something...

Seriously, have you done anything concrete? Like invent a scientific theory? (Even I've done that one).
What have you really done besides feed everyone trans-fat and dozens of calories with your creme filled dicks (aka twinkies).

nrj

Jan 4th, 2006, 12:53 PM

Brazil is exactly the same as Australia or the US. If you see a corrupt cop, you report him to DIFFERENT POLICE! You don't go and tar all cops with the same brush. Not to burst your bubble, but you do realise that these things aren't legal in Russia either?

My neighbor's from Moscow (worked in a factory in the 80s) and she says these things don't occur in Moscow. Yet, that site labels Russia as a country with no freedom.

Please, explain, oh mighty god.

kerravon

Jan 4th, 2006, 11:47 PM

Not to burst your bubble, but you do realise that these things aren't legal in Russia either?

My neighbor's from Moscow (worked in a factory in the 80s) and she says these things don't occur in Moscow. Yet, that site labels Russia as a country with no freedom.

Please, explain, oh mighty god.
It doesn't list the country as having NO freedom, it lists it as NOT FREE, because of the muzzling of the press and other undemocratic actions by Putin.

kerravon

Jan 4th, 2006, 11:49 PM

But you still think it's all a simulation, raped legaly or illegaly.

Yes, that is my THEORY. We should not rely on that THEORY being correct. If we see institutionalized rape we should end it without hesitation.

Also I don't have any memories of the holocaust.
And many people think the holocaust never even happened. What help is that kerravon? We aren't learning from the past are we?

The faked history is there for us to learn from, that is all.

kerravon

Jan 4th, 2006, 11:53 PM

I have had my foot on Satans head my whole life and Capitalism is his name.

Capitalism is a purely natural phenomena, as I have explained already.

I have every intention of putting the chaotic and complicated system you endorse to its death and I have been defeating your leaders in every endeavor as if they were children for decades.

On the contrary, capitalism has taken the world by storm.

I like hippies far better than soldiers and I have led and been with both of them.
Then start a hippy farm and show us how to run a society properly. As I have already challenged you to do. Capitalism is a flexible system and allows hippy farms to operate. Just lead by example, Jake. Show us the first working communist system so we can all see how good it is and start to adopt it. What are you waiting for - a message from God? Well, you've got it.

Jake99

Jan 5th, 2006, 1:30 PM

Kerravon,

Capitalism is highly discouraged in the bible for environmental reasons and as a way of maintaining peace and prosperity. I have been changing systems and leading the way all of my life and I have yet to fail to outperform the millions of leaders who thought as you do. I have every intention of taking your lines off the map and removing the Anti Christ that you stand behind from power.

B.NyeTheUruk-Hai

Jan 5th, 2006, 6:15 PM

Kerravon, where were you when Jake had his foot on Satan's neck? Where were you?

Sammy56

Jan 5th, 2006, 8:49 PM

Nye, I hope you're happy. I just spent twenty minutes coughing becasue when I read your post, I inhaled a mint I was eating.

kerravon

Jan 5th, 2006, 9:01 PM

Capitalism is highly discouraged in the bible

Oh rubbish. But even if it were true, you're quoting from a book that says to stone your own children to death if they are disobedient. The bible is NOT the word of God.

I have every intention of taking your lines off the map and removing the Anti Christ that you stand behind from power.
Jake, why don't you just take my advice and start a hippy farm? As I've explained 100 times already, you can run a communist system within a capitalist framework. There are no restrictions on starting a hippy farm so you can show us how it is "done right".

kerravon

Jan 5th, 2006, 9:02 PM

Kerravon, where were you when Jake had his foot on Satan's neck? Where were you?
I was watching capitalism take the world by storm as communism collapsed. What would you have liked me to have been doing?

Mezurashi

Jan 6th, 2006, 8:32 AM

wait, I thought B Nye (and BNyeanity) was the end all. I guess PhilFoe is still working on the press release.

and Jake99 - please do go on. I am stealing quotes from you to put into the mouths of our Canadian politicians to make them sound as insane as you, hopefully this will result in a Federal Election where NO ONE is voted in from mass Voter Apathy and/or Disgust.

I am NOT Holy - but I have been known to clean up other people's messes from time to tme and that's pretty Holy work, if you ask me.

The HOLIEST people on this world are those who clean up the messes left by those of us too busy, rich, white, upper class, self-absorbed or whatever to pick up after themselves.

Jake99

Jan 6th, 2006, 1:27 PM

Mezurashi,

I have cleaned up more messes than everyone in this forum combined. A very large US company let me redesign their manufacturing operations and I solved all of the thousands of problems they had generated over the years in the twinkling of an eye. Chaos your way and peace and prosperity using my way. My problem is that I cannot clean up and repair as fast as your leadership and systems create the mess. That is why I stand up to, and against your way in court where once again time after time I legally spank your finest judges and your best prosecutors like they have never been spanked before. It seems I know far more than all of you combined about how to fix problems and fight a legal war and I have been demonstrating that ability and documenting it on a daily basis for decades. I dont have a college degree and yet I outperform all others combined all the time in many professional endeavors. I stand down to no one and I win every time according to facts that would fill your garage. And that says nothing of my superior athletic performances in nearly every common sport and a few not so common ones. For this purpose did I come into this world and I have been demonstrating my gifts since I was a small child. I am the truth and the way, follow me and you will never find reason to complain again. Miracles are what I left in my wake so people like you would someday wake up to the need for total systematic change under a leadership that has never failed to permanently resolve an ongoing problem.

kerravon

Jan 6th, 2006, 8:20 PM

I am the truth and the way, follow me and you will never find reason to complain again.
It sounds great, Jake. It sounds just like "full communism" was meant to be. So when are you going to start a hippy farm so that we can see the wonders of your leadership and start joining you?

Jake99

Jan 6th, 2006, 10:22 PM

I sure hope it happens before you run the world out of energy as the International Energy Agency has warned will happen very soon, if you continue to run such a wasteful system and promote its use in other countries. Money changers, lines on the map these are things you must destroy, if you wish to survive the next decade. You are that close to being beyond repair. Going in the same direction will get you to the same destination, which according to world leaders and experts is a war on terror, mankind and the environment that will never be won. The only way to fix this world and make room for the population that is to come is to do what is legal which is Communism which is easily possible to operate with the invention of the Internet. Give what you have to me and I will multiply it and give it back to you to use. Don't give it to me and it will continue to deplete until it is gone. Are you not aware that your brothers and sisters in more difficult areas of the world are in trouble? Maybe you should tell them why you wont let me distribute free daily bread and basic needs to them, without having to beg for your mercy all the time.

Beatnik Bob

Jan 6th, 2006, 10:42 PM

Jake, what happens when you die?

Even if you succeed, you will eventually die of old age (you've already talked about becoming old and not being as fit as you once were).

When you die Jake, who will you pass the torch to? Surely we aren't all meshiach, you've said so yourself.

When you die, you will leave a one world government that will fall into the wrong governing hands and be destroyed by chaos and dissorder.

And don't tell me that you're gonna have your brain downloaded onto a computer or something.

I tell you Jake, your reign will herald chaos and destruction. Sooner or later.

B.NyeTheUruk-Hai

Jan 7th, 2006, 9:20 AM

Nye, I hope you're happy. I just spent twenty minutes coughing becasue when I read your post, I inhaled a mint I was eating.
Sorry, Sammy! Look on the bright side. At least you'll have REALLY fresh breath for the next couple of weeks...

I was watching capitalism take the world by storm as communism collapsed. What would you have liked me to have been doing?
How about doing something more than watching? Just an idea...

Jake, what happens when you die?

Even if you succeed, you will eventually die of old age (you've already talked about becoming old and not being as fit as you once were).

When you die Jake, who will you pass the torch to? Surely we aren't all meshiach, you've said so yourself.

When you die, you will leave a one world government that will fall into the wrong governing hands and be destroyed by chaos and dissorder.

And don't tell me that you're gonna have your brain downloaded onto a computer or something.

I tell you Jake, your reign will herald chaos and destruction. Sooner or later.
Jake has the most potent sperm that this earth has ever seen. He will create the next messiah with a vigorous holy hand job. He has spent the last several years spreading this seed around the world and inseminating countless women. How did he accomplish this, you ask? What do you think that white creamy filling is in Twinkies?

Mezurashi

Jan 7th, 2006, 10:18 AM

I figured it out Everyone, JAKE is actually Canadian politician Stephen Harper.

For those not familiar with the situation, S. Harper is the Leader of the Conservative Party of Canada, the Opposition to the ruling Liberals and the Great WHITE Hope to be the next PM of Canada.

Yet, despite the fact that the current Liberal Gov't is corrupt and inept, despite the masses of Canadians fed up with the inept Liberal Gov't, S. Harper can't seem to get a lock on his votes.

In fact, that fact that HE is in the running has been specifically referenced as the reason many Canadians want to vote Liberal against their better judgement, even thought they are nauseated by the thought of another Liberal Gov't made up from the dregs of the corrupt and the hangers on from the old boy network, the alternatives are even worse.

What can you say about a 'saviour' that drives people away in greater numbers than he draws them in?

and now back to our regularly scheduled ranting...

kerravon

Jan 7th, 2006, 11:41 PM

How about doing something more than watching? Just an idea...

Such as what? What would you like me to have been doing to bring the death of communism sooner? I personally agreed with what the US was already doing, which is just trying to keep it contained. I wrote to the USSR to ask them to leave Afghanistan, and got a whole lot of propaganda back. There was nothing that could be done directly against the communists - they were hiding behind an impenetrable nuclear shield.

So tell me what you expected me to do given that I was trying to fix the world.

Sammy56

Jan 7th, 2006, 11:53 PM

So tell me what you expected me to do given that I was trying to fix the world.
You could start by actually making a difference. Your little blog is doing nothing, no matter the intention behind it. It would be very difficult for you to help the women in Iraq, but you can help others around you. I do not know much about Australia, but I am sure that some of the population could use some help from a kind heart. I am not trying to downplay what has happened to the women of Iraq-it was sick and wrong. But other atrocious crimes are being committed all over the globe and some of these are probably affecting many more people. Why not try to help some to them?

kerravon

Jan 8th, 2006, 5:31 AM

You could start by actually making a difference. Your little blog is doing nothing, no matter the intention behind it. It would be very difficult for you to help the women in Iraq, but you can help others around you. I do not know much about Australia, but I am sure that some of the population could use some help from a kind heart. I am not trying to downplay what has happened to the women of Iraq-it was sick and wrong. But other atrocious crimes are being committed all over the globe and some of these are probably affecting many more people. Why not try to help some to them?
Be specific. Which country has atrocious crimes being committed and what would you expect me to do about it? And don't give me any suggestion that is the equivalent of pouring water into sand. I'm not interested in doing such a thing. I'm only interested in creating structural changes that are going to benefit people forever, not just create a temporary increase in standard of living. Structural changes can include replacing communism with capitalism. E.g. I donated money to the Romanians after they had their revolution.

I concentrated on the crimes in Iraq because the US invasion opened up the possibility of doing something about them. If only we could determine exactly what was required. That is what I worked on - defining exactly what was required to be done in Iraq to ensure that the Iraqi women were never raped by their own government ever again. And financially support the Iraqi blogs so that their message of hope could sound around the world.

I've also donated money to Afghan schools. Now that they have a democracy instead of endless civil war, money spent on Afghanistan does not go to waste.

As far as I am aware, I have spent my whole life doing the optimum thing to try to fix the world. I can't think of any time when I could have made a difference and failed to do so. The fact that I have lived an "optimal life" trying to fix the world is further evidence that I am God. I was the one sent here to actually care. Really care, not just pouring water into sand. To seek out the optimal strategy for fixing the world. This is what I have done. Or please nominate a year and a country where I should have been doing something but failed to. I'm 38 years old (born 1967), so provide an age you expected me to be doing something as well.

Philosopher Foelhe

Jan 8th, 2006, 12:39 PM

Be specific. Which country has atrocious crimes being committed and what would you expect me to do about it?

Um... all of them?

Seriously, Kerravon, that's the problem with you focusing on Iraq here. Maybe you're right, and this was the biggest problem out there. But how much effect did your blog have on these things? And don't talk about how "we don't know" because common sense dictates a blog among thousands of blogs, visited by a dozen people, isn't exactly a groundbreaking movement.

I might not be dealing with the biggest problem in the world, but I am having an effect on people who need help. Which, frankly, is more than you can say. Seriously, if you want to have an effect on the world, go out and volunteer at a suicide hotline, or a women's shelter. Or hand out coats to the homeless. Or something which has some sort of success yield.

You can talk about the "worst problem in the world" until you're blue in the face, but if you're not having any actual effect on that problem, it's time to move on and deal with something you can do something about.

Jake99

Jan 8th, 2006, 2:04 PM

Do you realize how Capitalism has negatively effected the environment? 70% of Chinas rivers are now polluted as a result of their new found economy and that says nothing of the millions of new autos they are putting on the road. As a man who has actually resolved thousands of actual problems permanently, you could not be on a more destructive or inefficient system than Capitalism.You mean you have not seen enough of the corruption, social problems and crime yet? The Iraqi women will be fine when you put down the sword and pick up the plow shares.

Beatnik Bob

Jan 8th, 2006, 3:05 PM

You can talk about the "worst problem in the world" until you're blue in the face, but if you're not having any actual effect on that problem, it's time to move on and deal with something you can do something about.

Yeah Kerravon, wake up and do something! Mend the world!

B.NyeTheUruk-Hai

Jan 8th, 2006, 4:30 PM

I wrote to the USSR to ask them to leave Afghanistan
BWAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!

Beatnik Bob

Jan 8th, 2006, 4:41 PM

I have cleaned up more messes than everyone in this forum combined.
Yes, I agree Jake. We all know you masturbate more than anyone on this forum.

B.NyeTheUruk-Hai

Jan 8th, 2006, 7:21 PM

I have cleaned up more messes than everyone in this forum combined.

Yes, I agree Jake. We all know you masturbate more than anyone on this forum.
Not only that, Bob, but when someone like Jake spews out that much bullshit, there are a LOT of messes to clean up afterward...

kerravon

Jan 8th, 2006, 9:49 PM

Seriously, Kerravon, that's the problem with you focusing on Iraq here. Maybe you're right, and this was the biggest problem out there. But how much effect did your blog have on these things? And don't talk about how "we don't know" because common sense dictates a blog among thousands of blogs, visited by a dozen people, isn't exactly a groundbreaking movement.

It isn't my blog that had the influence, it was the Iraqi blogs which were bringing in a message of gratitude towards the Americans. I financially sponsored these blogs. In addition, I made the effort to analyze the Iraqis in these blogs to find out why some were happy to be liberated while others weren't. I am doing all I can via my own blog and emailing people in the DOD to try to get my findings implemented. I don't know what more I could do to get it implemented.

I might not be dealing with the biggest problem in the world, but I am having an effect on people who need help. Which, frankly, is more than you can say. Seriously, if you want to have an effect on the world, go out and volunteer at a suicide hotline, or a women's shelter. Or hand out coats to the homeless. Or something which has some sort of success yield.

I am donating to the Iraqi and Afghan blogs which have the effect of keeping Bush in power, which is the most major structural improvement possible.

You can talk about the "worst problem in the world" until you're blue in the face, but if you're not having any actual effect on that problem, it's time to move on and deal with something you can do something about.
I believe I am having an effect by supporting the bloggers. And besides which I donate money to Afghan school children as well, which also has a large bang per buck.

Now perhaps you can tell me why you didn't think it worth analyzing why large numbers of people in the West didn't give a damn about Iraqi women being raped by their own government. This was a shocking indictment of the West. This was the most important structural problem to be solved. I solved it.

Beatnik Bob

Jan 8th, 2006, 10:00 PM

kerravon

Jan 8th, 2006, 10:05 PM

Kerravon says: I sponsored these blogs, I made my contribution of $1.03 to bring the world towards another understanding of the humans around them.

This was the most important structural problem to be solved. I solved it with $1.03.
I spent a lot more than $1.03 in support of those crucial-to-mankind blogs. The question is - did you spend even $1.03? If not, where were you? Why didn't the institutionalized rape of Iraqi women phase you in the slightest?

Beatnik Bob

Jan 8th, 2006, 10:14 PM

I was in America bussy helping my own country.

How much did you spend though?

kerravon

Jan 8th, 2006, 10:48 PM

I was in America bussy helping my own country.

Your own country was already secure. You should have spared a thought for those who weren't as fortunate as your country.

How much did you spend though?
I have spent several thousand US dollars in donations to the Iraqis and Afghans, which is a lot of money for me. It's my contribution to the War on Terror.

Sammy56

Jan 9th, 2006, 4:29 AM

Originally Posted by kerravon
Your own country was already secure. You should have spared a thought for those who weren't as fortunate as your country.
I don't know where you got your idea of America kerravon, but I think you have been misinformed. America has many problems and there are groups of people here who suffer as much, if not more, then those in Iraq. Once again, I am not trying to downplay what has happened in Iraq-it was, and still is, awful. But there are other disasters out there as well and America has been host to many of them.

Have you ever helped those who have lost everything to a natural diaster, such as a hurricane or an earthquake? Have you ever helped the poor in your own community? I've done both these things. I have helped rebuild my town after a good part of it was destroyed by the most powerful tornado in the world. I've helped to provide for families who could not afford to give their children gifts for Christmas and never once have I claimed to have been anyone special or claimed to have changed the world. But my actions and the actions of those around me had an impact on the few people we were able to help. Now, honestly, what impact has your blog had? How many people have read it? How many people, after reading it, decided to help those in Iraq?

kerravon

Jan 9th, 2006, 4:58 AM

I don't know where you got your idea of America kerravon, but I think you have been misinformed. America has many problems and there are groups of people here who suffer as much, if not more, then those in Iraq. Once again, I am not trying to downplay what has happened in Iraq-it was, and still is, awful. But there are other disasters out there as well and America has been host to many of them.

America is not host to anything as serious as government rape. The people most vulnerable and in need of protection were the Iraqis.

Have you ever helped those who have lost everything to a natural diaster, such as a hurricane or an earthquake?

No, because other people donate to that and it is a standard of living issue. I channel my money into things that have an INSTITUTIONAL EFFECT. Things that others are not paying for.

Have you ever helped the poor in your own community?

There are no poor people in Australia. Everyone is guaranteed unemployment benefits, which are high enough that some people volunteer to go on them for life. Afghanistan is where you will find poor people. People who can't even afford pencils. I have donated a lot of money to Afghanistan.

I've done both these things. I have helped rebuild my town after a good part of it was destroyed by the most powerful tornado in the world. I've helped to provide for families who could not afford to give their children gifts for Christmas and never once have I claimed to have been anyone special or claimed to have changed the world.

That's because you're not someone special. You didn't choose the optimal path through life to try to fix the world. You didn't use your brain to figure out how to use money as a weapon to create INSITUTIONAL EFFECTS designed to FIX THE WORLD.

But my actions and the actions of those around me had an impact on the few people we were able to help. Now, honestly, what impact has your blog had? How many people have read it? How many people, after reading it, decided to help those in Iraq?
You are confused. It is the Iraqi and Afghan blogs that I believe had an effect on the US elections, returning Bush by a sliver. My own blog is to get the message I invented from studying the Iraqis, out to the world and to the US psyop people in particular. I am doing everything I can think of to achieve this. What are you doing to spread the message?

Sammy56

Jan 9th, 2006, 5:18 AM

Originally Posted by kerravon
America is not host to anything as serious as government rape.
Once again, I think you have been misinformed about America. A good percentage of our population is under the poverty line. They cannot afford food or decent medical care for themselves or their children. They die needless deaths because the United States government does not seem to wish to provide decent healthcare for all Americans. Thousands die every winter because they have no where to go and escape the freezing temperatures. I could go one with the problems of America for pages.

Originally Posted by kerravon
Everyone is guaranteed unemployment benefits, which are high enough that some people volunteer to go on them for life.
Well, you are lucky Australia has such a program, as most countries do not. According to wikipedia one in five children live under the poverty line here in America. Is that not a problem? A crisis even? Should children in any country be able to grow up with decent food an medical care? Or is it only Iraqi children who should have that privilege?

Originally Posted by kerravon
You didn't choose the optimal path through life to try to fix the world. You didn't use your brain to figure out how to use money as a weapon to create INSITUTIONAL EFFECTS designed to FIX THE WORLD.
Kerravon, you have no idea what I have done. I have in the past few months given money to the people in my community who need help, but unfortunately, being an unemployed 16 year old doesn't give me a lot of money. Instead I gave time and resources. I helped people directly. I gave them necessities and helped them rebuild their homes so that they would have a better chance at life. Sorry, but I find that more productive then sending money to finance some obscure blog that few people will ever read and then claim I have changed the world.

Originally Posted by kerravon
What are you doing to spread the message?
I go to the people directly and ask them what they need and if I can help them get it. Then, with the many others that work with me, we will organize a program to help these people get what they need. We will often do this through our school. In my opinion what we do here has had a bigger impact on those that need help then sending money to the Middle East when you really have no idea where that money will end up.

kerravon

Jan 9th, 2006, 5:45 AM

Once again, I think you have been misinformed about America. A good percentage of our population is under the poverty line.

Ever noticed how fat these people supposedly living in poverty are? The problem is the definition of "poverty". In Western countries where there is no poverty due to unemployment benefits, the bleeding heart liberals define poverty to be something like 25% of the average income, regardless of how high the average is.

They cannot afford food

Yes they can. That's why they're so fat.

or decent medical care for themselves or their children. They die needless deaths because the United States government does not seem to wish to provide decent healthcare for all Americans. Thousands die every winter because they have no where to go and escape the freezing temperatures. I could go one with the problems of America for pages.

I will allow a right-wing American to respond to these charges.

Well, you are lucky Australia has such a program, as most countries do not. According to wikipedia one in five children live under the poverty line here in America. Is that not a problem? A crisis even? Should children in any country be able to grow up with decent food an medical care? Or is it only Iraqi children who should have that privilege?

What is required is to fix the world so that we don't need to donate money to the Iraqis' standard of living. They can be given the infrastructure to allow them to help themselves. This is what needs to be done.

Kerravon, you have no idea what I have done. I have in the past few months given money to the people in my community who need help, but unfortunately, being an unemployed 16 year old doesn't give me a lot of money. Instead I gave time and resources. I helped people directly. I gave them necessities and helped them rebuild their homes so that they would have a better chance at life. Sorry, but I find that more productive then sending money to finance some obscure blog that few people will ever read and then claim I have changed the world.

The main Iraqi blog (Iraq the Model) gets something near 3000 hits per day. It is not obscure, it was the first sign of freedom to emerge from the tyranny. It was imperative to have appreciative messages from Iraq.

I go to the people directly and ask them what they need and if I can help them get it. Then, with the many others that work with me, we will organize a program to help these people get what they need. We will often do this through our school. In my opinion what we do here has had a bigger impact on those that need help then sending money to the Middle East when you really have no idea where that money will end up.
You didn't answer my question. I know why the Sunnis in Iraq are still fighting - they think that they will be subjugated by the majority. It needs to be explained to them that we are against subjugation. This is a job for the psyops department at the DOD. It will save the lives of both US and Iraqis if we can get this message out. What are you doing to spread the message? I'm doing everything I can think of.

Beatnik Bob

Jan 9th, 2006, 3:40 PM

Yes they can. That's why they're so fat. BWAHAHAHA!

That has to be the most silly bluntly stated thing I've ever heard.

McDonald's is fairly cheap.
They no doubt eat at places like McDonald's to get that fat.

The question is not "They're fat so they can afford food." But rather, "Do they eat well.
Because frankly, it's really easy to become fat from all the cheap crap on the market...it's really "can they afford GOOD HEALTHY food." Which I doubt they can.

I will allow a right-wing American to respond to these charges. Damn it Kerravon! Stop trying to get out of this! You're a right-wing American and you KNOW IT!
So adress it NOW Kerravon! Respond to this or I'll feed you to the amazing Mr. Sock!
But seriously....

What is required is to fix the world so that we don't need to donate money to the Iraqis' standard of living. They can be given the infrastructure to allow them to help themselves. This is what needs to be done.
Then do that instead.
By this argument, you are saying that your donations aren't really doing antthing to help anyway.

You didn't answer my question. I know why the Sunnis in Iraq are still fighting - they think that they will be subjugated by the majority. It needs to be explained to them that we are against subjugation. This is a job for the psyops department at the DOD. It will save the lives of both US and Iraqis if we can get this message out. What are you doing to spread the message? I'm doing everything I can think of. That might be ONE of the factors...but probobly the MAIN one is difference in opinion.

Your own country was already secure. You should have spared a thought for those who weren't as fortunate as your country. Seeing as how you got out of the poverty question by a "diffine it" response, I shall do the same.
Diffine it!
Diffine secure. NO country in the WORLD is fully secure.

Furthermore, I'm not going to go to help a country half way across the world when I look in MY OWN city and see people stricken with poverty and homeless.
First, I'll help the people around me, my state, and so on.

Jake99

Jan 9th, 2006, 6:40 PM

Philosopher Foelhe

Jan 9th, 2006, 7:53 PM

It isn't my blog that had the influence, it was the Iraqi blogs which were bringing in a message of gratitude towards the Americans. I financially sponsored these blogs.

And you also shipped computers to ALL the Iraqi citizens? So that you weren't just hearing from the richer members, who were already fortunate enough to own computers? And I assume you handled the electric problems as well, since about six months ago the power grid in Iraq was still unbelievably sketchy. How long has your network been up and running?

I will allow a right-wing American to respond to these charges.

And here I thought you told Defiant Noquisi you understood the American situation just as well as if you actually lived here.

kerravon

Jan 9th, 2006, 7:59 PM

BWAHAHAHA!

That has to be the most silly bluntly stated thing I've ever heard.

McDonald's is fairly cheap.
They no doubt eat at places like McDonald's to get that fat.

You said that they couldn't afford food. They can. In fact they can afford an excess of food.

The question is not "They're fat so they can afford food." But rather, "Do they eat well.
Because frankly, it's really easy to become fat from all the cheap crap on the market...it's really "can they afford GOOD HEALTHY food." Which I doubt they can.

Eat less of the "cheap crap".

Damn it Kerravon! Stop trying to get out of this! You're a right-wing American and you KNOW IT!
So adress it NOW Kerravon! Respond to this or I'll feed you to the amazing Mr. Sock!
But seriously....

I'm a right-wing Australian. I'm not familiar with the domestic American hospital situation. I assume there are right-wing Americans on this board who can answer instead.

Then do that instead.
By this argument, you are saying that your donations aren't really doing antthing to help anyway.

They are. They're bringing in a message of gratitude so that the American government will remain in power and remain engaged in this nation-building.

That might be ONE of the factors...but probobly the MAIN one is difference in opinion.

So long as it is ONE of the factors, the US psyops department should be doing something about it. What are you going to do to get the US psyops to do something about it?

Seeing as how you got out of the poverty question by a "diffine it" response, I shall do the same.
Diffine it!
Diffine secure. NO country in the WORLD is fully secure.

Women in your country are secure from rape by the government. Women are legally protected. This is a fundamental thing that needs to happen all over the world.

Furthermore, I'm not going to go to help a country half way across the world when I look in MY OWN city and see people stricken with poverty and homeless.
First, I'll help the people around me, my state, and so on.
The people around you are not being raped by their own government. You shouldn't only care about the people around you. It's not the Iraqi women's fault that they're halfway across the world. They need protection regardless of their geographical location.

kerravon

Jan 10th, 2006, 12:10 AM

And you also shipped computers to ALL the Iraqi citizens? So that you weren't just hearing from the richer members, who were already fortunate enough to own computers? And I assume you handled the electric problems as well, since about six months ago the power grid in Iraq was still unbelievably sketchy. How long has your network been up and running?

I did my best with my limited resources. What were YOU doing?

And here I thought you told Defiant Noquisi you understood the American situation just as well as if you actually lived here.
I know enough of the situation to know that you aren't legally raped by your own government.

kerravon

Jan 10th, 2006, 12:14 AM

I have managed the cleanest and most profitable, largest bakeries in the US and I was inspected by the American institute of baking once a year for 21 years receiving top marks every time. I don't make messes or mistakes so I don't have any to clean up and my performance numbers that are logged in detail daily by the minute are way beyond anyone elses. And I did not have to kill anyone to turn chaos into peace and prosperity.
And you did WHAT to ensure that the Iraqi women were never legally raped by their own government ever again?

And how's the hippy farm going? We're eagerly awaiting the world's first working communist system.

Philosopher Foelhe

Jan 10th, 2006, 5:52 AM

I did my best with my limited resources. What were YOU doing?

Since the Iraqi war? Well, I spent a year and a half volunteering at a suicide hotline, which I won't talk about much, but suffice it to say there are a few people who are in jail because I convinced someone on the other line to make a police report. I also helped out several people who were strangers but are now close friends of mine because we've been through hell and back together. Now, I'm sorry I didn't convince them to write a BLOG, but I did what I could.

And that's the trouble with your example. How much effect have you had on this situation, exactly? I normally wouldn't belittle your contributions, but you're so eager to climb up on a pedestal and I think somebody needs to drag you down to earth. Face it - by the time you would've been able to put up this communications array, the U.S. had already come in and taken care of the problem. What exactly do you bring to the equation? The U.S. was already amazingly self-assured on their actions here - they didn't need a cheering section.

Furthermore, since your non-answer speaks volumes, I should point out that you're only dealing with people who are connected to the web in Iraq - the upper classes, basically. You don't have a fair view of the situation, because you've only heard the most affluent voices.

I know enough of the situation to know that you aren't legally raped by your own government.

Nice dodge, but that still doesn't change the fact that you're contradicting yourself. Not a particularly God-like maneuver.

jeffweeder

Jan 10th, 2006, 5:59 AM

brilliant philos f , you are the member of the year

Jake99

Jan 10th, 2006, 11:47 AM

The bible and Jesus recommended the system I speak of, Satan runs the one you endorse and use. My accomplishments speak loud and clear just as yours does and the results are the opposite. All of you complain and argue all day, every day, about the way things are, and I got zero complaints while correcting the same problems for three decades. My hippy farm turned into the most peaceful and prosperous operations on the planet. Your death march has left countless wars and extreme environmental damage in its wake. Mock me all you want, I stand against your wasteful and violent ways.

Beatnik Bob

Jan 10th, 2006, 4:48 PM

brilliant philos f , you are the member of the year
I would've voted for him if the nominations hadn't ended about when I came back from vacation.

The bible and Jesus recommended the system I speak of, Satan runs the one you endorse and use. How can you be so sure?

My hippy farm turned into the most peaceful and prosperous operations on the planet. Where is this hippie farm and court room you debate at. Now, I'm not mocking you, I just want to know.

wyltk75

Jan 10th, 2006, 4:51 PM

Jake, your accomplishments do not speak loud and clear. We only have you're word for it. How can we learn about your accomplishments.

Remember, Satan is the father of all Lies.

Moses 4: 4
4 And he became Satan, yea, even the devil, the father of all lies, to deceive and to blind men, and to lead them captive at his will, even as many as would not hearken unto my voice.

And

2 Ne. 9: 34
34 Wo unto the liar, for he shall be thrust down to hell.

If you are the Messiah, you will know what I am talking about.

Beatnik Bob

Jan 10th, 2006, 5:12 PM

Jake would just say that if it wasn't true before, it's true now that he said it.

kerravon

Jan 10th, 2006, 8:27 PM

Since the Iraqi war? Well, I spent a year and a half volunteering at a suicide hotline, which I won't talk about much, but suffice it to say there are a few people who are in jail because I convinced someone on the other line to make a police report. I also helped out several people who were strangers but are now close friends of mine because we've been through hell and back together. Now, I'm sorry I didn't convince them to write a BLOG, but I did what I could.

And that is indeed noble, but you failed to do anything to ensure that the US remained engaged in Iraq so that the Iraqi women would not lose their right to not be raped. And you also failed to find out why half of your countrymen opposed the end of institutionalized rape in Iraq.

And that's the trouble with your example. How much effect have you had on this situation, exactly? I normally wouldn't belittle your contributions, but you're so eager to climb up on a pedestal and I think somebody needs to drag you down to earth. Face it - by the time you would've been able to put up this communications array, the U.S. had already come in and taken care of the problem. What exactly do you bring to the equation? The U.S. was already amazingly self-assured on their actions here - they didn't need a cheering section.

The US PUBLIC needed a cheering section. It needed to hear that there were people happy to be liberated. So that they would continue to vote for Bush instead of surrendering and voting for Kerry.

Furthermore, since your non-answer speaks volumes, I should point out that you're only dealing with people who are connected to the web in Iraq - the upper classes, basically. You don't have a fair view of the situation, because you've only heard the most affluent voices.

They go and ask others what they think. And the upper classes don't speak with one voice either - there's a great variety of opinion. Compare ITM with Riverbend.

Nice dodge, but that still doesn't change the fact that you're contradicting yourself. Not a particularly God-like maneuver.
I'm not contradicting myself. I know a lot about America without needing to live there. I get my information from the same source that residents there get their news from. Live with it.

kerravon

Jan 10th, 2006, 8:33 PM

The bible and Jesus recommended the system I speak of, Satan runs the one you endorse and use.

Jake, there is no Satan, and the bible is not the word of God, which is why it says to stone your own children to death if they are disobedient.

My hippy farm turned into the most peaceful and prosperous operations on the planet.

More info on the world's first working hippy farm please.

Your death march has left countless wars and extreme environmental damage in its wake. Mock me all you want, I stand against your wasteful and violent ways.
What caused a lot of wars was idiots with a dogma such as communism zealously spreading their failed system. Capitalism is a NATURAL PHENOMENON. It is not evil. It is not from Satan. It just IS.

Philosopher Foelhe

Jan 11th, 2006, 7:48 PM

And you also failed to find out why half of your countrymen opposed the end of institutionalized rape in Iraq.

I'm wondering how often we're gonna have to point out to you that we didn't oppose the end of rape, we just wanted to approach carefully instead of rushing in, throwing up a make-shift government for Iraq, then have it come crashing down after we pulled out.

The US PUBLIC needed a cheering section. It needed to hear that there were people happy to be liberated. So that they would continue to vote for Bush instead of surrendering and voting for Kerry.

Funny, I'm part of the U.S. public, and yet I'd never heard of this blog group of yours. And I'm a google-hound, so I'm amazed I didn't stumble onto something that wide-spread... unless it wasn't that wide-spread, in which case you can't claim to have had much affect on the vote.

So, how long has this web been up? And how many visitors do you normally get in a day? I remember you mentioned this before, but I can't remember where.

And the upper classes don't speak with one voice either - there's a great variety of opinion.

I didn't say that there was only one opinion on your site. I just said that one voice - that of the average majority - was being left out. So you can't say it paints a clear picture of Iraqi opinion, because it doesn't.

I'm not contradicting myself. I know a lot about America without needing to live there. I get my information from the same source that residents there get their news from.

FOX news. Which a handful of members have pointed out is biased. And the news itself is no replacement for being on the front lines, so really this is pointless anyway.

Jake99

Jan 11th, 2006, 10:09 PM

My kingdoms or bakeries were governed by the highly intelligent contracts between the largest companies and unions in the US, which legally restricted me as well as by State and federal laws to do the right thing every time. I had no ability to cheat or mistreat people since every pound of materials and man hour is compared to units produced, and every employee has the right to file a grievance. No grievance was ever filed against me for misconduct or stupidity in 21 years and I took more disciplinary action and changed more systems than all other managers combined. Performance is recorded by the minute and my numbers were better than everyone elses in every category. It was the equivalent of turning chaos, complexity and injuries into peace, prosperity and long life. I did the same thing in Buffalo NY, Natick Ma. and Cleveland OH. I also did many things in E. Brunswick NJ and Philadelphia PA. Systems I designed are being used coast to coast and my operations were nearly flawless when I designed and reorganized them.

The proof of what I did is company property but the trials at Y2K are public record. There are a thousand witnesses, at least.

I am not bragging I am revealing. For this purpose was I brought into this world. My three brothers are the best, looking men, athletes and performers and my three sisters are also the best performers and athletes and are very capable of winning the Miss America contest in their 40's. My sister who has 6 yr old triplets and a 50' Yacht has been on the cover of Bride magazine many times. My 75 year old mother has more game in her than most 20 year olds and she was prettier than princess Grace as a young lady. My father helped design the first US ICBM among other not so nice weapons systems. The list of amazing performances is a million miles long.

kerravon

Jan 11th, 2006, 10:43 PM

The list of amazing performances is a million miles long.
But still doesn't include the world's first working communist hippy farm. When do you think you'll be able to accomplish that?

kerravon

Jan 11th, 2006, 10:52 PM

I'm wondering how often we're gonna have to point out to you that we didn't oppose the end of rape, we just wanted to approach carefully instead of rushing in, throwing up a make-shift government for Iraq, then have it come crashing down after we pulled out.

Exactly what did you have in mind by "approach carefully"? How much longer would the rape continue while you "approach carefully".

Funny, I'm part of the U.S. public, and yet I'd never heard of this blog group of yours. And I'm a google-hound, so I'm amazed I didn't stumble onto something that wide-spread... unless it wasn't that wide-spread, in which case you can't claim to have had much affect on the vote.

So, how long has this web been up? And how many visitors do you normally get in a day? I remember you mentioned this before, but I can't remember where.

You're confused. I financially supported the IRAQI blogs (not mine), which have been quoted in US newspapers and quoted by Paul Wolfowitz and the biggest one (Iraq The Model) gets an average of 5177 hits/day. Ohio was won by something like 10,000 votes. The Iraqi blogs could well have been the clincher.

I didn't say that there was only one opinion on your site. I just said that one voice - that of the average majority - was being left out. So you can't say it paints a clear picture of Iraqi opinion, because it doesn't.

It's not my site. And there's a variety of opinion which I believe encompasses the average majority.

FOX news. Which a handful of members have pointed out is biased. And the news itself is no replacement for being on the front lines, so really this is pointless anyway.
I'm on the frontlines in Australia and I still rely on the media to find out what is going on. I don't magically get knowledge about Australia just from being here. The same goes for America.