Was Mary a virgin?

[Sage]

Or have you been deceived?

sage

[Time_Traveller_0]

Well, i've heard that she wasn't a virgin, but im a christain so i believe she was.

[jeffweeder]

if she wasnt then jesus is not the messiah the virgin shall concieve and give birth to a son and you shall call him emmanuel (meaning god with us) this is a ot prophecy pertaining to how there messiah was to come inta the world. in fact there are 50 or so of these prophesies pertaining to messiah during his life on earth, most of which were fullfilled in 24 hrs. amiricle of foe sight here. ones like..... betrayed for thirty pieces of silver, where he thr ew it and what hppened next...his suicide,crucified between two crooks arich mans grve, the casting of lots for clothing the vinegar thing, the donkey,etc etc etcthis could only ever point to one person. so its obvious she was a virgin. why did she have to be.....maybe some other time

[Kenyon]

Im with you.

[nrj]

I actually question her existance.

But if she did gave birth to a guy, no. She was not a virgin. If you have proof that she was a virgin, bring them on. I would love to see gynocologist records from the first century.

[jeffweeder]

faith comes by hearing and hearing comes from the word of of yhwh its that simple

[nrj]

Well, I'm the kind of guy who bases my beliefs on proof. Boring maybe, but I'm still happy.

[Sage]

If as the Christian religion teach, that "their God was the father of their Christ"
How many Laws would be broken in this act?

Sage

[Kenyon]

What are you saying?

[Sammy56]

Sage, that doesn't make any sense.

[Time_Traveller_0]

If as the Christian religion teach, that "their God was the father of their Christ"
How many Laws would be broken in this act?

Sage

I think what he's trying to say is that, If God is the father Jesus. God would have had to been married to Marry. So God himself broke 1 of the 10 comandments. But im pretty sure that there's an explaination!

[jeffweeder]

true christianaty says jesus was the messiah spoken of by just about every writer of the old testament. mary was jewish,even though now shes seen as a devout catholic, she was honored to have given birth to the messiah, so much so she risked been stoned to death for being pregnant out of marriage. they even had to flee to egypt to escape for a time. the only way anybody would do that back in those days, is well, to have had this angelic visitation she accepted

[Time_Traveller_0]

I think I know where your coming from, my friend!

[liberdave]

http://www.armageddononline.net/forums/showthread.php?t=4786
I hate to be "that mod that wont fucking stop bitching", but please, use the search function.... thanks.

[Panda]

I actually question her existance.

But if she did gave birth to a guy, no. She was not a virgin. If you have proof that she was a virgin, bring them on. I would love to see gynocologist records from the first century.

Let's see, possible answers:

If you believe Jesus was the messiah, you believe yes.
If you believe Jesus was an early philosopher and campaigner for social reform who was deified by his supporters, you believe no.
If you don't believe in Jesus, you believe no.
If you are a die-hard think-the-worst sceptic you believe no - Mary just made up the story to cover up for that she was pregnant and unmarried, a heinous crime at the time.


I think I've covered all the options...

[Sammy56]

Well, I have no idea if she was a virgin or not. I have heard one argument that virgin meant "pure of heart" not "never had sex" in her case. One thing I am sure of is that, unlike the Catholic belief that she was a virgin her entire life, even if she had born Christ in a virgin birth, I seriously doubt she never had sex her entire life. Having a family was important back then and I bet it would have really pissed of Joseph if she refused to have sex with him. But, then again, I do not see sex as sinful as many of the religious people I know do.

[Philosopher Foelhe]

even if she had born Christ in a virgin birth, I seriously doubt she never had sex her entire life. Having a family was important back then and I bet it would have really pissed of Joseph if she refused to have sex with him.

I believe there's a passage in the Bible where Jesus goes to visit Mary and his brothers, so that's pretty much spot on.

[DarkAce]

Well it could be argued that the term brothers is more in the context of close friends rather than family relation. However it's a belief that James is the brother of Jesus.

[1manlyman]

This has been taken from an article that was written by a Turkish journalist and was published in response to two book called 'Mary: The Mother of Jesus' and 'Mary: A Dogmatic Journey' written by two Catholic writers.

As a Muslim, I am a passionate defender of the virgin birth of Christ. This is one of the very important themes in the Qur’an.

The Qur’an tells a great deal about the birth, works, and miracles of Jesus (`Isa in Arabic). His story starts with the angels’ call to Mary (Maryam in Arabic) by which they declare the miracle of God—a son without a father. Mary is surprised:

[She said, “My Lord! How can I have a son when no man has ever touched me?” He said, “It will be so. God creates whatever He wills. When He decides on something, He just says to it, ‘Be!’ and it is.”] (Aal `Imran 3:47)

There are many passages in the Qur’an in which Mary is highly praised. We read that angels said to her, [“Maryam, God has chosen you and purified you. He has chosen you over all other women”] (Aal `Imran 3:42).

In another surah, An-Nisaa’ 4:156, those who propose [a monstrous slander against Maryam] are cursed. Actually, there is quite a long surah in the Muslim Scripture titled “Maryam” (Mary) in which the nobility of Mary and the virgin birth is told in detail. In another surah, we read,

[Maryam, the daughter of `Imran, who guarded her chastity—We breathed Our Spirit into her and she confirmed the Words of her Lord and His Book and was one of the devout] (At-Tahrim 66:12)

These verses make clear that Mary—along with Jesus himself—is a sacred figure for all Muslims. Thus, any disrespect, insult, or attack on Mary or Jesus Christ is directed also toward Islam. We can add Moses, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, Job, and many other Old Testament figures to the list—they are all praised in the Qur’an.

I suspect this will be news to some non-Muslims. But what is stranger still is that it will be news to some Muslims, too. Unfortunately, we see a lack of passion in the Islamic world when it comes to the defense of prophets other than Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him). He is, of course, the Prophet of Islam and very dear to us Muslims, but the Qur’an in Surat An-Nisaa’ 4:152, orders that Muslims should not [differentiate between any of [God’s Messengers].]

[twistedbutgiftid]

this is just like the tootsie pop comercial,"the world may never know"

[twistedbutgiftid]

and virgins having kids has happened for hundreds of years, ever heard of dry humping?

[krakatoa]

1manlyman, thank you for your insight, I feel lucky to have access, on this forum, to learn, about things, that are very important, for all of us. Like religion. :2thumbs:

[Perfectionist]

Whether Mary was or was not a Virgin ..... does it make any differance to the message Jesus gave to humanity ....... NO !

[dcookcan]

Of course Mary was a virgin.

My wife was also a virgin.

However, my daughter IS a virgin.

[dcookcan]

If as the Christian religion teach, that "their God was the father of their Christ"
How many Laws would be broken in this act?

Sage

Your penis was also in your mother's vagina when you were born. How many laws does that break?

[Perfectionist]

LOL :D

Ascerbic wit at its best !

:)

[DontBeAfraid]

lol.... TBG thinks dryhumping can lead to pregnancy. If this is representative to the extent of the average christians knowledge of sex then how can we trust any interpretation they may have of "the virgin mary".

[Perfectionist]

Dude, it depends what your definition of dry humping is ...... a little pre-cum goes a long way :D

[DontBeAfraid]

It doesnt go through two pairs of pants, panties, pubic hair, hymen and then makes its way to penetrating an egg.

[Perfectionist]

It does if your not wearing pants / panties :D

Pubic Hair and the Hymen are no match for good set of healthy swimmers :)

[DontBeAfraid]

You understnad that dry humping involves ZERO penetration right? At least for one to remain a virgin... I wonder if mary made such distinctions? Anyways, the chance of becoming pregnant from any amount of sperm being "placed" outside the vagina is so negligable as to be considered impossible.

[Tortoise]

Unless you can go back in time and conduct a thorough physical examination of her at the time she conceived, Mary's virginity will never be verified. For those who believe in it, it must remain a matter of faith.

Personally, I don't see why it should matter.

[jeffweeder]

exactly, but it matters, because he had to be born without the agency of man. God existed without man to begin with, now he's going to be born into flesh and blood without him, without the death gene, that man passes on to his offspring.
So seeing as there's no death in him and he was murdered, death had no power over him, hence the ressurection.
I much prefer to see the realm of death under his control, than the previous landlord :devsmoke:

[Beatnik Bob]

If as the Christian religion teach, that "their God was the father of their Christ"
How many Laws would be broken in this act?
The part in Leviticus where it says there is only one G-d....


Whether Mary was or was not a Virgin ..... does it make any differance to the message Jesus gave to humanity ....... NO !
What this debate is revolving around is what the implications of a virgin mother of Jesus might bring. This debate has nothing to do with if what he said was good or not, but if he is a messiah or not, based on virgin or nonvirgin birth.
Just thought I'd clarify....


Oh, and 1manlyman, I have a very sincere question, i dearly beg that you not misconstrue my intentions, and that you do not take what I wish to ask to heart as an insult to you as an individual or toward your religion...
What does the Qur'an say about Jesus being being worshipped?
I read your post in this thread and know that muslims believe Mary was divinely impregnated, but what kind of messiah do muslims consider Jesus? Do they consider Jesus the actual messiah?
(By this I refer to what messiah actually means. Coming from the word meshiach and later changed into the Greek form known as 'messiah', meshiach [and presumably messiah too] means anointed one, [though that is the literal meaning] and it doesn't mean physicaly anointed, but instead CHOSEN, [a bit of history to explain this is that when you were chosen to be a priest and read the Torah and wear the 13 tribe breast plate and all that, you had olive oil put on your forehead, thus anointed]. So to the point, chosen doesn't necesarily mean worthy of worship, because Moses is reffered to as a meshiach [was chosenby G-d to emancipate Israelites from slavery], but we don't really worship Moses...)

Anyway, does the Qur'an say anything about if Jesus is G-d or a prophet?

-with all sincerety