The Second Advent of Christ

[Solve et Coagula]

The Second Advent of Christ
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"The Living Christ is manifestation of God, manifestation of Love. There neither in the outer Cosmos, not in the inner mystic depth of the soul, a more comprehensive manifestation of Love, than the one that we personify in Christ. Christ with his coming to the earth wanted to visualize the Divine Love. He could not express it in word. Not only before Christ, but after Christ as well there was no person having greater Love than His. This is what Christ wanted – to express the Divine Love and to bring it to the earth. Christ imported Love into the world. Christ came to the Earth in order to bring Love. He is Love.*
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By saying Christ, I understand a Being, which has overwhelming Love to humankind and wants to transfer to humanity what valuable the Being has in its Self. This is the purpose of Christ.*

As the energy of the Sun does not reach us directly, but passes through the etheric space, similarly Divine Love reaches people through Christ, Who appears to be a herald of Love. Christ can be partly likened to the beautiful and luminous image of the Sun.
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He is the Great inspirator of all the revelations during all times! He is the invisible driving force of the entire spiritual Life of humankind. He endured profanations, blows, the cross, the nails, the spears. With the flame of Love he melted the arms of violence. And His attempt turned out a success. During His coming two thousand years ago Christ shwed to us only the one side of His image. We see Christ in humiliation and grief, in suffering and trials. We see Him as a hero of redemption. People do not know yet Christ in His glory, in His Divine power and might. Mighty and powerful is Christ now.
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In the past Christ’s hand was pierced with nails, but today nobody can pierce this hand with nails – they will instantly melt.
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In the past Christ was crucified, but today there is no tree big enough where He can be crucified. Christ cannot be crucified once again.
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This Christ is coming now to visit human minds and hearts. He will destroy all the prisons; will obliterate all the false teachings – all which destroys the human mind and heart, which instils confusion and lack of principles, which cripples human Life. Christ will visit every person. He is the Living Christ, Who imparts Life, Light and Freedom for all souls, Who inspires and generates Love to everything. When we say that Christ is coming now, some think that He will come from the outside. Christ won’t come from the outside. He will not appear either in human or in any other form whatsoever. When the rays of the Sun enter your home, does this mean that Sun has visited you? Remember that Christ is a manifestation of the Love of God. And He will come as an internal Light in the minds and hearts of the people. This Light will attract everybody around Christ as a great Centre. The opening of the human minds and hearts and the receiption of Christ from within - this will be the Second Advent of Christ on earth. He will preach above all the great science of Love and the methods how to apply it. He will preach the path of pupilship, brotherhood and service. Because this is what the law of evolution requires nowadays.
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Prepare to meet Christ! Prepare so that everybody in one’s time can meet Christ. Put on your new clothes. For some Christ will come even today, for others – tomorrow, still for others – in years. You will see Him when you are prepared. Receive Christ in your hearts as a friend, and in your mind – as Teacher. Christ is now working.

The urge will gradually penetrate into human beings and will take over guidance during the further development of the humankind. We are now stillin the beginning of all this.
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In the future Christianity – and not the external, official Christianity, but the mystic esoteric Christianity – will become a world religion for the whole humankind. Christ will be placed in the centre of the New culture."
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"Love as a great principle should be manifested in the human soul and only then can become one with Christ. One thing is required from all the people – to get in touch with Christ. Once you unite with Him, he will be with you till the end of times. He is a door leading human beings from the transient to the intransient, from the visible to the invisible, from hatred to Love. When you experience His Love, your earthly life will gain meaning. Your mind will enlighten, you will perceive the Light of the New life and will begin to understand. Only under such circumstances will you get to know the relation existing between Love and Life, between Wisdom and Light and between the Truth and Freedom. Until we, human beings, become one with Christ, i.e. until your thoughts, feelings and deeds become One with Him. The world will not be set right.
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I am talking to you about the Living Christ, about that Christ, Who bears in His Self Life, Who nears the living Knowledge and Light, Who bears the Truth and Freedom. About that Christ, Who brings all the methods how to construct Intelligent Life. He is the Great Christ, Whois called the Head of the Great Universal Brotherhood. This Christ must be known by people today. It is Him, whom they have to see – to see Him and to know Him. Because many want to persuade us that without seeing Christ and without knowing Him internally, we can be true Christians. However, I argue that if one cannot see Christ, nothing can come out of such a person. If you are in harmony with Christ, your consciousness will wake up, you will see Him. Christ is coming to the world with His Intelligence and Love. Christ is already coming to the Earth to bring Divine Love for all the people. He will teach people to self-sacrifice and to Love. He brings Love, Wisdom, Knowledge, Freedom! The Light of Christ penetrates everywhere!"
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Text for The Second Advent of Christ from Master Peter Deunov "Beinsa Douno" (Peter Deunov was Omraam Mikhael Aivanhov's Master in Bulgaria). *
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http://www.beinsadouno.org

[jeffweeder]

yes he was here 2000 years ago, but was rejected by the majority, but he is returning a 2nd time to establish his kingdom on earth,in accord to all that has been written; a kingdom of all people that have recieved his free gift of eternal life ; to know thee the only true god and his messiah....yashua ben david (jesus). To all who recieve him,he gives the gift of eternal life as he is risen and defeated death .he now has the authority to give life for all that recieve him. he is unique dont you think?

[Jake99]

And if a man who flys like an angel and walks like a lion with a crown on his head were to perform many miracles and prophecies in the form of a powerful dove, would you understand how different and important he is and why?

When he arrives in a chariot of fire with a bow and arrows over his shoulder and challenges the elect will you just think he must be nuts? Can you see the bubble of secrecy he is protected by and the armor that cannot be penetrated. Are the flames that come from his mouth any more than a lesson, demonstration, prophecy or a verbal warning? Would his words be understood when he speaks in tongues you have not heard before in the language you know so well? Many will try and crucify him for such blasphemy as to reveal himself as the Christ, They will mock and beat him, attack his family and prosecute him with the intent of silencing his voice. But the messiah is far more capable than his accusers and even when convicted of crimes that are not a crime, he will rise again, destroy this world and lead the way into the next.

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[ZombieJesus]

So, after 2000 years, Jesus is going to come back to Earth and show up carrying a bow and arrow, ranting at a judge? That's your messiah? You're insane.

[Beatnik Bob]

Jesus was the son of G-d.

The son of G-d is a title given to someone chosen by G-d.

G-d said in Exodus that the Isrealites are his chosen people.


Jesus is just the nation of Israel. It's a reacuring theme in judaism actually, humanizing human actions and emotions, and in this case making Israel into one person.

The story goes, there was no room for Judaism and the nation of Israel in the world, it started out as a tiny thing, but grew and became more established and fully recognized. But Israel was destroyed...and has been gone for about 2000 years.
Israel has resurected though, it is now a fully reestablished country, society, and way of life.
A culture has resurected, and it was foretold 2000 years ago. To bad people thaught it was talking about a person...
It's just how Judaism works...allot of romancing things, making the Sun seem like a male, the night seem like a female, a nation seem like a man.

[Beatnik Bob]

Didn't realize that you were a whole nation Jake.

[Jake99]

Its very hard to prove a man insane when he does all the things Jesus did, prior to stepping forward and claiming to be the christ. First you demonstrate the ability to do what no one else can do, in every category (miracles and prophecies) and then you step forward and ask for the surrender of the leadership that is leading this world astray and wrecking the environment. They rejected me, mocked, chained and beat me, put me on trial, convicted me and then overturned the conviction. After which the world has been taking a beating for about seven years now. If you reject Gods chosen leader that he has been training for decades and proving is the best of all time then you will and have felt Gods wrath. When you you start to listen to the man who many have called both delusional and a genius and follow him your problems are over and the Millennial reign begins. The exact same takeover is what I was allowed to do at Wonder Bread and they never had a problem again just as you wont if you let me lead you.
My record of accomplishments in the area if solving problems is by far the best the world has ever seen. Your leaders are a serious problem because they know not how to solve a problem but rather how to generate them. If you think that the messiah is either afraid or incapable of outperforming your very best performers you are wrong. The bow, chariot of fire parked in front of a tomb and the suit of armor I wore were tools and props that was used at the proper time during a war that was already heavily in progress since I was 10. I have been one of the best chess players and athletes since I was a small boy and I have sat in the seat of judgement and leadership many times and no one has ever defeated me or complained of the outcome. F. Lee Baily and Alan Dershowitz as well as the rest of your dream teams combined would not defeat me on any subject matter and I would take the opposite of their opinion, without even knowing what it was. You are being led by the worst possible people with the most wasteful and destructive systems ever and you want to call a man who stands against you with everything he has crazy. What are you waiting for global warming to get worse while you wave a prideful flag or a mushroom cloud. The best doctors in the world were given 65 days to analyze my words actions and letters to the courts asking for their surrender and they concluded that I am not only sane but far more capable than anyone else they have tested. Many people and doctors have said I have the best motor skills ever seen in a human being and they are correct.

[Beatnik Bob]

Your the first messiah that I've seen that can't indent. And the first messiah that insists on bragging about things, true or not.

If you want people to follow you try not sitting there and saying: Doctors said I'm really smart...and I agree with them.

Let's assume Jesus was a living breathing person. Notice that not once does Jesus sit there and say: Vote for me, I'm smarter than you, my doctor said so. I can supply you with unlimited twinkies, you are all so unsmart....but I on the other hand am a lion in the savanna, brought down to this Earth to take a crap on satan. Follow me and you will not regret it!

The thing is Jesus, if he was in fact alive, never said such a thing, or even implied it...you do!

Although, I will grant you that your a master of making people confused with your words....I swear, just like a lawyer...

But your no son of G-d Jake, only Jesus (nation of Israel) is...and he's not even a he...but a collective of millions.

[ZombieJesus]

Jake, the next doctor you should see is a head doctor, because you've lost it.

If Jesus ever existed he was either a charasmatic religious leader or a con artist, no different to any number of nutty cult leaders that have come and and gone before and after him.

[Beatnik Bob]

Those doctors were just self-esteem doctors.

They knew he was doing bad in politics so they tried to cheer him up...to bad the old dog believed em'.

[Jake99]

The best head doctors in the world were assigned to put me away by the judicial system and they could not find fault in anything I said or did. They analyzed 50 pages of letters that I sent to the courts asking for their surrender. Jesus said he was the truth and the way and he performed many miracles in advance to prove it, which is what I have done. You might think the largest cake and bread business is simple, but I assure you it is not. I redesigned much of it, so people could work productively in a safe environment. GW Bush has never managed a koolaide stand and got elected president, and John Kerry has never solved a problem or led anything constructive either, how dumb is that for leadership choices.

Waking you up is not easy, I have to boast in order to show you the miracles I performed while you were sleeping.

PS: Beating the judicial system on every rule of law as I have done many times is not something anyone else can do.

[Beatnik Bob]

Jake, even a person like me (not a doctor) can see you're....very special...

[Jake99]

Jesus said to follow him after overturning the tables of the money changers. I overturned your whole society including your judges, elected officials, big business, many unions, the US Marines, public schools and a variety of abusive and incompetent managers.

YOU ARE LED BY FOOLS, AND I AM THE ONLY ONE YOU SHOULD FOLLOW.

I hope you don't plan on going in the same direction expecting to end up somewhere new.

My way has always been the opposite of your way and I beat your best at almost everything you can do. I actually practice what the religious people only preach.

[nrj]

Didn't realize that you were a whole nation Jake. Uh... What? You haven't heard about the nation of Massive-two-shits?!

[jeffweeder]

whooo are you jake? you seem to do so much, yet your so...vague.

[Jake99]

JeffWeeder,

I have done so much, and been so many places you can hardly believe it to be physically possible. I have super speed and perfect knowledge and I put it to work solving thousands of problems and putting on a show like never seen before. The things I did whether as a leader in the Marines and big business or athletically have never been matched by anyone. Bill Gates, Tom Brady and Tiger Woods are excellent at what they do and I and my 6 siblings have done similar things in all sports, and leadership roles at all positions. There are no better athletes or business leaders in the world than myself and my family members. That is a factual statement that is supported by tons of evidence.

I had every advantage a person could have, and am considered to be great at all things, according to those who witnessed what I did. By the time I was 5, I suspected I was special, because I was more intelligent than the adults around me. When I was 10 I knew I was very special, having outperformed everyone of my age. At 14 I was firmly standing against this world, trying to shake off my suspicions of being the Messiah and by the time I was 43 I had performed all of the miracles and prophecies I had heard of as a child in Sunday school.

I am the Christ you are looking for and I have tons of successful experience solving the problems this world faces and have never left a stone unturned or a problem unsolved.

I need to convince people that following me will get you exactly what it has brought in the past. Peace, Prosperity and Long Life. No one has ever considered reforming a system I designed, and I designed many simple and highly efficient, safe and clean operating systems.

My name is James Murphy and I am revealing that I am the Messiah as I did in the courtrooms of Massachusetts seven years ago. The Judicial system tried their best to nail me to a cross in two trials very near to Y2K, all the hearings, witnesses evidence and events were biblical. The jury convicted me because I admitted to doing what I was charged with from the witness stand, while I was shaking my fist and tongue lashing the prosecution and the judge with rule of law, at the same time.

[jeffweeder]

tons of evidence, go for it jake ,share, or if your the messiah just pop over and ill proove to you that ill out perform you everytime, in the art of coffee making and hospitality

[Jake99]

Jeff,

I already posted proof in this thread that I am a far better judge than your finest. And I took your leaders on just when your bible said I would, stepped on their head and carved it in stone. I tell you that I am the best leader in all of time according to my career at Continental Baking/ Interstate Bakeries which was documented to the minute and the pound for 21 years. My siblings and I are the best performers ever to walk the Earth in many ways. I do not keep the records I just perform the miracles and prophecies. I leave record keeping up to the courts and businesses that I have worked for. The US Marines, ITT, Continental Baking, Ralston Purina, Interstate Brands and several others. I have lived and led as an adult in many states, NY, MA, OH, PA, NJ, NC, SC, AZ, CA, TN and PR and the systems I designed are coast to coast working flawlessly as they have been for years. No one ever complained about my leadership or the systems I designed and used in a Union environment that includes the Teamsters, Bakery Confectionary and Tobacco, Machinists and Office workers. I have been to court 50 times from both sides of the bench with no losses.

[45squared]

I don't need a messiah who is not humble. :negative:
Seriously Jake, your doctor needs to increase your dose of Thorazine.

[Jake99]

Your best doctors testified in court, that I am the most sane person they ever analyzed. I am also the most capable and accomplished which is why I alarm you and ask you to follow me, instead of the idiots that are in charge of this world. Your leaders had every opportunity to prove me a liar or a lunatic in 20 hearings, Sixty five days of mental examinations, two weeks in jail and two trials at Y2K and you lost start to finish. The only thing that was proven is that I am vastly superior to anyone who has ever walked the earth and that includes on the athletic fields at age 43 which I demonstrated from behind bars and in life.

I told the court before the war even started, that I was going to legally punch their teeth through the back of their head on the way in, and kick them in the jewels on the way out. That is what I did, and I have had my foot on their head ever since, waiting for people like you to wake up and stand with me.

[jeffweeder]

you are a good comedian jake, are you comin over to have coffee, or just too busy in those courtrooms....what are you still a baker?

[kerravon]

I am the Christ you are looking for and I have tons of successful experience solving the problems this world faces and have never left a stone unturned or a problem unsolved.

Yes you did. You left the most important problem unsolved - why did some people (including some Iraqis!) not support the ending of the Iraqi holocaust? Why did others think that the overthrow of Saddam was the best thing since the collapse of the Soviet Union? Jesus would have been making sure that the holocausts continue to be dismantled and replaced with democracies. Next stop Iran. Where were you, Jake? Off with the fairies trying to push communism.

[Mezurashi]

why are neo religionists popping up like posionous mushrooms everywhere? This used to be a fun forum until everything started getting caught up in the whole God thing.

Why can't these God Floggers stick to their own kind? Why must they inflict their 'Right To Express' in such a consistently sickening manner that does nothing to Illuminate but does everything to Dictate how one should feel and think?

Why are we living in an age where Jewish Terrorists and Christian Oppressors are being called the Saviours Of The World?

When did it all start falling apart? When did it become imperative for the weak minded to start clutching at their Bibllical straws of Hope?

Who invented Liquid Soap ... and why?

[Rynotek]

Even the Nile busts its banks every year, and at AO there seems to some kind of migratory process were the fundy flocks settle for a while to feed on our wetched cursed souls skrawking doom and glory, most will fly on in a while when they realise we cant be saved :(

[Jake99]

Kerravon and others,

I lead by example and it is to perfection for 50 years from one side of the US to the other and back again. I can't fix anything using your systems, but I have fixed thousands of your systems problems that all of your leaders combined could not, using my systems. I don't run, or recommend a Democracy, I operate and manage a Kingdom that is confined by legal, human and environmental restrictions. Give what you have to me, and I will multiply it, and give it back, just as I have done thousands of times before. My simple system and my leadership fixes all earthly problems, at the same time. I cant help you until you stand behind me, and then I perform miracles just as I have done many hundreds of times in the past. You don't know of anyone who has even performed one miracle.

I am not for Communism as you know it, however, land ownership would be prohibited as a protective and efficient measure. Earned use, not ownership and punch a time clock in an authorized job if you want to get paid and earn luxuries.

[The_Forgotten_One]

JeffWeeder,

I have done so much, and been so many places you can hardly believe it to be physically possible. I have super speed and perfect knowledge and I put it to work solving thousands of problems and putting on a show like never seen before. The things I did whether as a leader in the Marines and big business or athletically have never been matched by anyone. Bill Gates, Tom Brady and Tiger Woods are excellent at what they do and I and my 6 siblings have done similar things in all sports, and leadership roles at all positions. There are no better athletes or business leaders in the world than myself and my family members. That is a factual statement that is supported by tons of evidence.

I had every advantage a person could have, and am considered to be great at all things, according to those who witnessed what I did. By the time I was 5, I suspected I was special, because I was more intelligent than the adults around me. When I was 10 I knew I was very special, having outperformed everyone of my age. At 14 I was firmly standing against this world, trying to shake off my suspicions of being the Messiah and by the time I was 43 I had performed all of the miracles and prophecies I had heard of as a child in Sunday school.

I am the Christ you are looking for and I have tons of successful experience solving the problems this world faces and have never left a stone unturned or a problem unsolved.

I need to convince people that following me will get you exactly what it has brought in the past. Peace, Prosperity and Long Life. No one has ever considered reforming a system I designed, and I designed many simple and highly efficient, safe and clean operating systems.

My name is James Murphy and I am revealing that I am the Messiah as I did in the courtrooms of Massachusetts seven years ago. The Judicial system tried their best to nail me to a cross in two trials very near to Y2K, all the hearings, witnesses evidence and events were biblical. The jury convicted me because I admitted to doing what I was charged with from the witness stand, while I was shaking my fist and tongue lashing the prosecution and the judge with rule of law, at the same time.


Hello James Murphy,


Please provide me personal proof of who you claim to be. By telling me the given birth names of my three brothers and I. With my understanding of what/who the Messiah is; this request should be well within your capabilities.


Sincerely,
The Forgotten One

[kerravon]

My simple system and my leadership fixes all earthly problems, at the same time.

You're dodging the question. Why weren't you in the Iraqi blogs trying to find out why some people objected to ending the Iraqi holocaust?



You don't know of anyone who has even performed one miracle.

On the contrary, I have the world's ONLY scientifically-verifiable miracle. Message 666 on 9/11. Documented in the first link of www.moatazilla.org .

[B.NyeTheUruk-Hai]

You're dodging the question. Why weren't you in the Iraqi blogs trying to find out why some people objected to ending the Iraqi holocaust?
Haven't you been reading any of Jake's posts? Chances are, he was either in court or he was filling Twinkies with that white goo...


On the contrary, I have the world's ONLY scientifically-verifiable miracle. Message 666 on 9/11.
Pure... comedy... gold... Let me clarify something for you, kerravon... err... God... err... system controller dude... or whatever the fuck you are today... Two numbers coinciding in a world of 6 billion people doesn't constitute a miracle. It happens all the time. It's called coincidence. Oh, and another thing - you're a dummy...

[Freakshow]

Jake99, you seem to be an intelligent person only with his ego blown way out of proportion. You are not Jesus. If you where, you probobly wouldn't be here trying to convince us you are.

Also, I would like to qoute something that, if you are Jesus, you said.

"Blessed are the humble,
for theirs is the Kingdom of Heaven."

Why do you not practice what you preach?

[Jake99]

The system I recommend does not need to know what the Iraqi blogs have to say, because it changes everything. Then if you have a complaint or concern please e mail your problem and I and the new system will solve it.


I was arrested two days before 911 while editing a typed letter in the town park to the Commonwealth of Massachusetts judicial system. The letter basically said that if they do not accept me as leader of the world, they will soon meet with the wrath of God. That letter and many others of that nature, have been discussed in detail in 5 different courts dating back to 1998.

I am here to demonstrate superior abilities at nearly everything and that is what I have done. And when that demonstration was finished and the time was right I stepped forward and informed your judicial system of who I am. That is exactly what Jesus did, and you still tried to crucify me and lost in countless attempts. Your judges and doctors are no match for me in judicial endeavors which I have proven countless times before and after Y2K.

I am revealing myself at the top of my lungs and all you have to do is verify that what I say is true. My job was difficult yours is easy.

[wyltk75]

This forum attracts some wackos. Jake99 claims to be the messiah, kerravon claims that he is performing miracles? Not sure really.

I guess that they had to come out somewhere.

[Philosopher Foelhe]

Oh, it's far worse than that. Kerravon actually claims that he himself is god, and that this is all just a computer program used to track his responces. Apparently kerravon watched the Matrix trilogy after 72 hours without sleep, then sustained a massive head injury.

.... Not that I'm one to talk about wackos. :D

[The_Forgotten_One]

... I am here to demonstrate superior abilities at nearly everything and that is what I have done. And when that demonstration was finished and the time was right I stepped forward and informed your judicial system of who I am. That is exactly what Jesus did, and you still tried to crucify me and lost in countless attempts. Your judges and doctors are no match for me in judicial endeavors which I have proven countless times before and after Y2K...


Thank you James Murphy,

That is all that I needed to know from you.


Sincerely,
The Forgotten One

[jeffweeder]

Jake99, you seem to be an intelligent person only with his ego blown way out of proportion. You are not Jesus. If you where, you probobly wouldn't be here trying to convince us you are.

Also, I would like to qoute something that, if you are Jesus, you said.

"Blessed are the humble,
for theirs is the Kingdom of Heaven."

Why do you not practice what you preach?
great post hehehahaha

[kerravon]

Pure... comedy... gold... Let me clarify something for you, kerravon... err... God... err... system controller dude... or whatever the fuck you are today... Two numbers coinciding in a world of 6 billion people doesn't constitute a miracle. It happens all the time. It's called coincidence. Oh, and another thing - you're a dummy...
You can add to that coincidence that it was my life's work searching for who I was. And I was an atheist at the time I wrote that, and I too was still holding on to the possibility that it was just a coincidence. Then I had the revelations and knew for sure that it was no coincidence, the entire universe was "rigged".

[kerravon]

The system I recommend does not need to know what the Iraqi blogs have to say, because it changes everything.
We're dealing with the real world, Jake. No-one's going to implement your system in the short term. But regardless of your new system, it was vital that we find out why so many people were willing to ignore Saddam's holocaust that included institutionalized rape. The anwer to that question was in the Iraqi blogs. You weren't there, Jake. SHAME ON YOU.

[Raptor Witness]

Jake,

I think you're the FBI come callin'. That's what I think. :bondage:

Peace and repentance

[liberdave]

"Blessed are the humble,
for theirs is the Kingdom of Heaven."
I've said it before, and I'll say it again,

Down with the Kingdom of Heaven, and on with the Republic of Heaven!
Wouldn't you rather live in a Republic than a Despotism?

[Jake99]

According to the International Energy Agency, this world system will run so low on the ability to supply fuel in 10 years that the price and military wars will be out of control. And the atmosphere will be even worse than it is now. I am an efficiency expert with vast successful experience and I can cut your fuel consumption in half and supply the needs of the people at the same time, pollution free, if that is even possible. My system, as all of the systems I have designed and installed, would take about 3 days to get running and you would never call for reform ever again.

Like I said, the Iraqi blogs would not even be an issue in a very short period of time. You would run out of things to complain about in the first few days of my leadership, which has always been the case. I lead by example and the example covered nearly everything you can not do.

[wyltk75]

All I hear is jibber jabber Jake. You have yet to show anyone results. Proof.

Do you have an outline or a layout regarding your "system"?

Dude, I can't beleive you are so deluded. In reality I am the one who must be deluded because you are obviously just trying to see how many people you can mess with. It's apparently working. Good on you.

[kerravon]

Like I said, the Iraqi blogs would not even be an issue in a very short period of time. You would run out of things to complain about in the first few days of my leadership, which has always been the case. I lead by example and the example covered nearly everything you can not do.
It's not the Iraqi blogs that are the issue. It's the fact that so many people opposed ending the Iraqi Holocaust. It was of vital importance to find out why these people thought the way they did, and to fix it. You left this problem unsolved and instead decided that if people didn't adopt your great new communist system, they deserved to be raped and killed by Saddam. You're one sick puppy, Jake. SHAME ON YOU.

[Jake99]

I did not decide on any of your systems and I have stood against all of your ways since I was a child. I've been kicking your leaders in the teeth in court, the US Marines and big business. Its all about show me and I put on the greatest show on earth for 50 years. My decisions, which were in the thousands, and countless new systems never failed. Still not one complaint about my leadership or the simple systems I installed.

What I did do, is demonstrate that with simple operating systems I could and did solve many of the problems that the world leaders and scholars could not fix.

My system incorporates Communism in order to protect the land and stop the wars. It also gives everyone an equal opportunity for education and jobs. I just want to standardize everything and protect the planet at the same time. Its the same thing I did for the largest baking company in the world. You do want daily bread, and that company is now on the verge of extinction, due to fuel prices and poor leadership decisions that I could not stop from happening.

I am not pulling your chain, I am the best leader this world has ever seen according to fact and witnesses that watched me change operations for the better, at a high rate of speed with total success. Time is short considering what is happening in the world today. We must change the global operating system or we will all be in huge trouble very soon.

[B.NyeTheUruk-Hai]

We're dealing with the real world, Jake.
OMFG!!!!! That is friggin hilarious! I thought this was a computer simulation, kerravon. So which is it? Is it real, or is it Memorex?


You're one sick puppy, Jake.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA !!!!!!!! I just sharted !!!!!


I am not pulling your chain
BAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA !!!!!!!! I just full-on shit my pants !!!!! This is perfect for my new sig...

[Jake99]

To be the Christ you must have a simple system that solves all problems at the same time, not just the complaints in the Iraqi blogs. My track record speaks loud and clear of astonishing problem solving ability no matter how nuts you think I am. No man that has ever lived, could do what I have done.

[kerravon]

To be the Christ you must have a simple system that solves all problems at the same time, not just the complaints in the Iraqi blogs. My track record speaks loud and clear of astonishing problem solving ability no matter how nuts you think I am. No man that has ever lived, could do what I have done.
Jake, you're still avoiding the question. It wasn't just complaints in the Iraqi blogs, it was a fundamental failure of humans that they had concepts in their head that made them think it was fine to turn a blind eye to institutionalized rape in Iraq. Despite your claims of solving every problem, you weren't trying to solve the most important problem in the world. SHAME ON YOU.

[kerravon]

OMFG!!!!! That is friggin hilarious! I thought this was a computer simulation, kerravon. So which is it? Is it real, or is it Memorex?

The computer simulation is real for those who are inside it. We should all be working on fixing up this world.

[Hyzenthlay]

Hello, Jake and Pals, I am Hyzenthlay. I have had many names, and even now live many lives, as do we all, each tailored for different people and circumstances, but here, I will be Hyzenthlay to you. That being said...

Is Jake THE Messiah, or merely A messiah? What are the credentials of a Messiah? I ask because I am a chosen one of another Messiah. A humble disciple. I am so miserable at my job thus far, I don't even deserve to capitalize my own title, but a good Chosen One should not hide from his, her, or IT'S shortcomings. I am sure even Jesus had to, at the very least, go to the bathroom from time to time, and he probably had a few other shortcomings that I bet he forgot to mention.

Would you accept a dead dog as a savior? Would you accept ME? A messiah could be defined as one who saves and brings freedom. If I were to break into the home of a family, butcher them all, and release the robin that their 8-year old son had caught and imprisoned in a cage, would I not be a Messiah, coming in the name of freedom at great personal risk against an un-understanding world?

Lets say a pedophile, about to commit a vile act against a little girl, was attacked and killed by the girl's dog. Lets say Society put the dog to death as a vicious animal. Would this dog be a martyr, a Saviour for the child, having saved her from the pedophile, and possibly death or a life of drug-use ending in suicide? How many other children did this dead dog save? Lets say the dog inadvertently saved the lives of 5 other children in the process by killing the pedophile, and the little girl grew up to become heavily involved in animal rights, say, the ALF, saving in turn countless animals from cruel ends, some even going on to, in a few isolated cases, repeat the original dogs work? Could we call this dog a Messiah?

What is a Messiah, what are the credentials of one?
I am merely a chosen one, yet to earn capitalization of my own title. (sigh)
My Messiah walks the earth... it is a crowded place these days for Messiahs, it seems, but I see few chosen ones or Chosen Ones.

[B.NyeTheUruk-Hai]

I ask because I am a chosen one of another Messiah. A humble disciple.
KICK ASS!!! Now we've got a DISCIPLE!!! This forum is AWESOME!!! There is a reality tv show in here somewhere...

[Philosopher Foelhe]

There is a reality tv show in here somewhere...

I think the cast list might be getting a little long. How many people do we have now? God, a messiah, a false prophet, an optomitrist, a spirit-seer, and now a disciple? Now all we need is Beezelbub, the Wacky Next-Door Neighbor, and the money will roll right in!

[nrj]

Don't forget the foreign kid who have a half bad english. :dork:

[Jake99]

You won't have a problem with crime in the new world and the chances of a pedefile getting near your children would be remote. I plan to educate the basics in the home over the internet and keep families together as much as possible. I don't trust your teachers or your priests to be with children.

If you wrote a book about my life it would fill a library, and doing a TV show about my family would blow your mind. You have never seen the things we have done before, and my one of three brothers is a better musical entertainer than you have ever seen, that includes Elvis Presley, Bono, Bob Dylan and John Lennon. You cannot even imagine where we have been and what we have done, its that far outside the norm.

The Messiah performs hundreds of miracles and prophecies, expect nothing less than what it says in the bible.

[kerravon]

The Messiah performs hundreds of miracles and prophecies, expect nothing less than what it says in the bible.
This is the same bible that advocates stoning your own children to death if they are disobedient, right? When are you going to wake up and realise that the bible is NOT the word of God? The only word of God is www.moatazilla.org. God was solving the riddle of why people like you didn't give a damn about Iraqi women being raped by their own government because you were too busy peddling a failed system like communism. SHAME ON YOU JAKE.

[Hyzenthlay]

If we are going to call ourselves gods, or prophets, or messiahs or disciples, we ought to make an effort to live up to those titles in the real world. I fear that many of the people here come here merely to escape their failures in the real world, and adopt a persona of prestige and power in a man-made fantasy world. Trust me, for my understanding of this comes from personal experience. I used to be pretty bad for this... until I felt to embarrassed to continue with it. Thankfully, I developed the personal courage to drop my rank to mere Disciple, until such time as I earn a higher one.

But I often see my fellow humans claiming ranks and titles for themselves that they are so far from earning it would be laughable, if they were not being allowed by the cowardly and the ignorant to use those titles to do real damage.

Like the scientist who would describe a screaming animal as a broken clock.
Like the preacher who is a bigot towards gays.
Like the parent who allows her under-age daughter to wear sexually suggestive clothing.

And so forth... The reason we have church on Sunday, is so we can commit adultery on Monday, and smoke pot on tuesday. We have religion so that we can pretend to be righteous... but in our hearts we know exactly what we are all about.

Remember the whale that swam up the river to London? How many people will shout loudly about how awful it was that it died, and how they prayed to God himself over the waters for its salvation? What great people we are, for devoting time from our busy days for that poor whale! Really? Ever hear of a factory whaling ship? Or a factory farm? Or euthanasia of pets and animals just like you or somebody you know has and loves every day? That whale is like religion, it allows people to vindicate themselves of what they are about by giving them a grain of hypocritical goodness to hide behind.

The World Trade Center towers- both of them- came down because a few people truly believed in their God and their faith. It was not a joke or an escape to them, and look what they accomplished! Assuming that "they" were bad and that "you" or (yetch) "we" are good (which is the popular theory because they hurt us, we are good, and hence anything that hurts us must be bad), what acts of great significance could we, the "good" guys do if we actually took half our pulpiteering seriously? Could not each of us save as many as the bad guys killed? But that would require effort. (sigh)

We are the laziest, hypocritical culture in this world. We are full of more self-serving lies than any other faith or society. We are easy targets because of this, fodder for the TRUE BELIEVERS. How often do Catholics or Christians actually DO anything that requires them to go "out of thier way" for their faith?

Oh, dear look what I have done, criticized Gods people, and hinted at support for the evil infidels! Oh dear, oh dear.

Take your titles to heart or drop them.

[Philosopher Foelhe]

The World Trade Center towers- both of them- came down because a few people truly believed in their God and their faith. It was not a joke or an escape to them, and look what they accomplished! Assuming that "they" were bad and that "you" or (yetch) "we" are good (which is the popular theory because they hurt us, we are good, and hence anything that hurts us must be bad)

Okay, I have to stop you here. We don't assume the terrorists who brought down down the WTC are bad because they hurt us. We assume the terrorists are bad because they hurt. Period. If the same people had crashed a plane into the Sydney Opera House, Americans would still be angry and upset.

I'm confused by a person who can say that veterinarians are godless because they painlessly kill animals in their sleep, but who can imply that terrorists who killed thousands of terrified people were alright, because... what? They were doing it in the name of their God?

[Hyzenthlay]

I am Job, and recently not only did I find a penny, but I placed it in the pocket of my tattered rags, and it did not fall out. Yahweh sent a great wind that killed my only horse and shattered my body (and gave me a fatal head-wound that I survived). Then he sent a band of thieves against me. But still I have my penny in my pocket.

Yahweh meant for me to suffer and be enslaved, but I have rebelled against his plan and foiled him on a number of occasions, including this one. He has found that he can not take from me a mere penny. He may be great and powerful, but I am small and quick.
"The eagle cant catch the fly." -quoted from "The Cobra Event" By Richard Preston

I carry with me the weapon of TRUTH, and the ammunition for my weapon are rounds upon rounds of FACTS. The manufacturer of my weapon is ENLIGHTENMENT, the scope I use is WISDOM, my tripod is COURAGE, and my licence is RIGHTEOUSNESS.

If I go against Yahweh, me, a crippled, cockroach-like human, and undermine his will, the the End Times will be at hand, for Yahweh's enemies will see that his grip has become weak, and his reign is collapsing. I am David and he is Goliath. The deity that I serve has enough power to protect me, and it is Her will that Yahweh be shown to be a fraud by the weakest of his slaves. And a crippled slave at that! The Messiah She sent walks the earth, ready to ascend Yahweh's thrown once I expose him for what he is. The Ancient Ones are not as gone as YHWH claims.

I was once the Angel of the Lord and the Destroyer of Worlds. I have carried out countless massacres against a particular deity that YHWH seems to be in conflict with. I have personally tortured and executed a number of Her missionaries sent to their deaths to stop me. But She was clever, and eventually brought me to my knees under the weight of the blood that I had spilled. Behold! We had a reckoning, She and I, and I jumped sides. Oh, did YHWH and his remaining army let me have it!

Now I am the hunted, now it is I who flee before the Destroyers of Worlds. I bring to the army of my Goddess a weapon that She thus far has been without: The power of an Angel of the Lord. I am a God of the Earth, and possess all the powers thereof.

YHWH is being watched, and so am I. Should I prove myself able to stand against him, then the Ancient Ones will spring upon him as he reels, and trigger the apocalypse that results in paradise. If I fail, trillions more will die alone and without hope.

Let me take the time to share a poem with you.

To see a world in a grain of sand
and a heaven in a wild flower,
hold infinity in the palm of your hand
and eternity in an hour.
-William Blake

Why? Why are things as they are? Can things be as we believe them to be? As Winston was once told in the bowels of the Ministry of Love in George Orwell's 1984, "If you believe it happens, and I believe it happens, then it happens." Could there not be one who believes the sun rises for her alone? That the rains falls to cool her back? Could not it come to be that one day an entity kills another entity for which all this was really meant, and with that death existence is left without purpose or driving force, to rot and decay as a dead thing with no soul? We each carry a universe with us that exists because we think it exists. Every time something dies, everything that was known to that thing is destroyed. A dimension, a reality ceases to exist, winks out. Perhaps this world, the one that seems so important to us, merely exists to serve another on this planet, and when that creature, human or otherwise dies, all of this will stop. The earth will slow to a halt, and the sun will burn out in a few days. We will watch the stars wink out one by one, regardless of distance. The leaves will fall from the trees, and we will grow thin though we eat. Power will fail, and the winds will cease. We will die in cold and in darkness, and our souls will run down with the world.

Who among us was this reality created for? For whom does it exist by virtue of their belief in it? Every time that we kill, are we not perhaps taking shots in the dark at ourselves? It could be that evil is nothing more then bits and pieces of this reality losing purpose do to annihilated realities. When you kill a bee, a flower dies. When you pour salt on a leech, a horse breaks his leg in a gofer hole, suffering for days before starving to death. When a child is shot in a remote jungle of a hostile nation, a bird hits a window. Senseless acts of suffering and death caused by annihilated realities, like shooting a shot-gun at medium range into a crowd.

Perhaps one day I will pick a flower and eat one of my own pellets. This is one (but not the only) reason that I try not to kill, or profit from killing. Anymore.

So behold, the next time you kill something... DUCK!!!


p.s. there may be a few grammatical errors in this script. I cheated by using the spell checker, but I am tired and dont want to manually grammer-check it. As humans and Gods of the Earth you should be able to look beyond any remaining errors to understand what is written here. the on ly thing that may be difficult to understand is why am I living like a cockroach when I can write and think better then anybody I have ever met before? or maybe I am not getting out enough, ha ha. See, I can joke to.

[Philosopher Foelhe]

Okay, I know I already asked in another thread, but I'll ask again. Why are you telling us all this?

[Hyzenthlay]

What would you rather hear, Oh Great Philosopher Foelhe? To what topics of profound metaphysical and cataclysmic importance would your enlightened mind of seemingly unlimited intellectual potentual and achievement be open to?

[Philosopher Foelhe]

You are determined to be insulted by whatever I say, aren't you?

If everything in your posts are true, you're in a great deal of danger, yes? Not only from "God", but from the many high-powered groups you mentioned in another thread - the CIA, UN, etc. etc. On top of that, you don't seem to be interested in us believing you, or supporting you in any way. All I'm asking is, what is motiviating you to expose yourself in this manner when you have nothing to gain. Mind explaining your motives?

[midnight21]

Ha ha. Don't make me laugh. I heard of people like you in the bible...claiming that "I am he!" Christ the Lord! and many people will claim his title...but they all turn out to be false just like you.

Nice try. At least you brought some comedy into this forum XD

[B.NyeTheUruk-Hai]

I can write and think better then anybody I have ever met before
Well then you've obviously never met Jake99. He does EVERYTHING better than ANYBODY ELSE in the ENTIRE WORLD. And he makes a MEAN Twinkie. He's currently the reigning champion here on the AO forums and his reign is being currently challenged by kerravon. You can join in the fray if you want, but let me save you some time by telling you that Jake will pretty much ignore you and continue to stroke his ego ( among other things ) while kerravon will ask you why you weren't on the Iraqi blogs while the Iraqi women were being institutionally raped. I'm waiting to see what YOUR AO catch phrase will be so that I can add another quote to my forum signature. Don't let me down, Hyzenthlay!

[New Creature]

[QUOTE=Hyzenthlay]p.s. there may be a few grammatical errors in this script.[QUOTE]

Is this not worthy of your forum signature?

p.s. there may be a few flies in your soup.

[nrj]

I can write and think better then anybody I have ever met before


p.s. there may be a few grammatical errors in this script. That's just gotta be the most ironic thing I've ever read on AO.

[wyltk75]

Boy.

I have not seen so many nuts on one board. Are these all the same person? Is someone just messing with us?

"There can be only one!" - Highlander

[Jake99]

Many will come claiming to be the Messiah, Christ, Son of God or what ever name you call him by. The failsafe mechanism that cannot be denied is who among the liars and lunatics performed hundreds of miracles and prophecies and who did not. Who did what the bible says the Messiah would do and who has the simple plan for saving this planet in the twinkling of an eye. Christ leads by example and he has to be the most gifted person and successful leader in all of time. Many said Jesus was a madman and then mocked , beat and crucified him. With the prophets of today you have an opportunity to review the facts they present and judge for yourself or just call all self proclaimed Messiahs crazy and miss the one who is for real. The end times are here and I have been setting and running the table, since I was born.

Kerravon, You are a one ball juggler with no experience at catching it. People are being raped and sold all over the world due to the use of Satans operating systems. Change the system to what I suggest and rape and skin sales disappear automatically. Tell your Iraqi blog friends that I can quickly and easily resolve their
issue as soon as you endorse me as world leader. I have more successful leadership experience than anyone who has ever lived and I do not make mistakes very often nor am I afraid to admit when I have and change course.

[kerravon]

Kerravon, You are a one ball juggler with no experience at catching it. People are being raped and sold all over the world due to the use of Satans operating systems.

There is no Satan, Jake. They are being raped due to man's innate desire to subjugate. I figured that out by myself via the Iraqi blogs, while you were busy peddling communism, a failed system if ever there were one. You weren't even there to witness the miracle. The fact is you didn't give a damn about Iraqi women being raped by their own government, and preventing that from ever happening again. SHAME ON YOU JAKE.

[midnight21]

*sigh* i guess we'll just ignore it huh?

There's a quote I found that's quite fitting in this case:
"Some people are like slinkies. Not really useful for anything, but you can't help but smile as they fall down the stairs."
~Unknown

[Jake99]

Kerravon,
It is Satan who leads this world and I promise you he is a huge factor that is crushed under my foot and thrown into the lake of fire the day you so called believers, stand behind me.

I put on my performance in the work place, leading people from all over the world to peace and prosperity in about 15 locations. I know what the problems are in the Iraqi blogs because they are the same everywhere on the planet. Give to Ceasar what is Ceasars and to God what is Gods. That my friend means you cannot own the land.....call it what you want its, "The Way, The Truth and The Light. You can make a living managing and distributing but I suggest global standards and no lines on the map.

[kerravon]

Kerravon,
It is Satan who leads this world and I promise you he is a huge factor that is crushed under my foot and thrown into the lake of fire the day you so called believers, stand behind me.

Actually it is wonderful liberal democracies that lead the world. And we have a model of the EU where nations come together.



I know what the problems are in the Iraqi blogs because they are the same everywhere on the planet.

No, most of the planet does not have horrible, cruel rapists governing a country. What was missing was an explanation as to why decent people in our liberal democracies would not care about Saddam's poor victims. This was the greatest problem of our time to solve. I solved it. You apparently weren't even aware that there was a problem needing to be solved, which is why you didn't even WITNESS the problem being solved by me, in the miraculous 666 message on 9/11, the world's only scientifically-verifiable miracle. SHAME ON YOU JAKE. You seem to be of the opinion that either everyone follows you and your failed communist system or they can be raped for all you care. SHAME ON YOU JAKE.

[Jake99]

Kerravon if your systems were correct everyone would be living in peace and prosperity without complaint.

Democratically elected leaders have had many years to make their systems work and they have not. Your previous experiences with Communism were unsuccessful but what this world is asking for and needs is a Kingdom not a Democracy. You just don't like or believe in what Jesus recommended for the 21st century.

And by the way I have run a Kingdom to perfection after throwing a failing Democracy in the trash. Neither I or any of the unknowing thousand followers had a problem for over a decade. Yes it was my world, my way VS your world, and your way and you lost in every category by a landslide.

Your problems are still here, and mine were solved quickly and permanently long ago, and still going strong.

You are up against a man who is great at everything and has proven that many times over.

[Beatnik Bob]

Whoa there. Calm down, and don't support prejudice/antisemetism with your posts.


why are neo religionists popping up like posionous mushrooms everywhere? This used to be a fun forum until everything started getting caught up in the whole God thing. You are doing the same thing you are decrying. Besides, it is the way of things. Armageddon had to do a trade off. When more people joined it making this forum more recognized and larger, a few opressors come in.


Why are we living in an age where Jewish Terrorists and Christian Oppressors are being called the Saviours Of The World? You may dislike "G-d floggers" but I can tell you this, I HATE demeaning ideology. You catagorize Jews in a terrorism catagory, and Christians in an opression catagory...but here's the truth. It's a human atribute. This is no doubt a revelation to you, that in fact ALL HUMANS can be terrorists, ALL HUMANS can be opressors. Don't limit these human characteristics to two groups of humans, because we're all guilty of them.
I especially find this desturbing when the majority of terrorists and opressors are of all religions and non-religions.


When did it all start falling apart? When did it become imperative for the weak minded to start clutching at their Bibllical straws of Hope? When did it become imperetive for the antisemetics to become hypocrites as well? Seriously Mez, and everyone else out there, enough is enough.


OPEN YOUR EYE'S TO HUMANITY MEZURASHI!

[Beatnik Bob]

Many will come claiming to be the Messiah. What is this! Is this one of those many-will-enter-few-will-win things?

[kerravon]

Kerravon if your systems were correct everyone would be living in peace and prosperity without complaint.

We are living in relative peace and prosperity. It was the communist countries who were oppressed and bankrupt.

And regardless, this does not absolve you from the fact that you weren't working on the most serious problem of our time, which was to figure out why so many people never gave a second thought to the human rights abuses in Iraq.

[Sammy56]

Man, I have been missing so much fun.


Originally Posted by Hyzenthlay
I can write and think better then anybody I have ever met before That sounds so much like Jake it makes me shudder.

[Philosopher Foelhe]

Indeed! Sorry we scared this guy off so fast - I imagine you would've wanted a shot at him.

[Jake99]

Kerravon,

As I see the debt numbers, crime rates and the job losses in the US, this economy is going down very quickly. The system you are backing is the worst, the most inefficient and wasteful you could ever choose. Guess who manufactures, owns and uses the most weapons of mass destruction. And who do you think does the most environmental damage and uses and wastes the most fuel, again the US and the list goes on and on. Gambling is what supports the US economy in the form of the Stock market, casinos and the lotteries. And the money changers call all the shots, I just want to heave them into the lake of fire where they belong.

[kerravon]

As I see the debt numbers, crime rates and the job losses in the US, this economy is going down very quickly.

No it isn't. It's following the normal swings that are part of the NATURAL economic cycle.



The system you are backing is the worst, the most inefficient and wasteful you could ever choose.

No, communism is the worst.



Guess who manufactures, owns and uses the most weapons of mass destruction.

The US has a unique position as World Policeman. It is a tough job, and no-one else is stepping up to the plate.



And who do you think does the most environmental damage and uses and wastes the most fuel, again the US and the list goes on and on.

And that list includes doing the heavy lifting for liberating Iraq.



Gambling is what supports the US economy in the form of the Stock market, casinos and the lotteries. And the money changers call all the shots, I just want to heave them into the lake of fire where they belong.
People are allowed to gamble with their own hard-earned money. Neither the gamblers, nor the gambling industry, deserve to be killed just because you've got a bug up your arse. Haven't you heard "love thy enemy"?

And this is still getting away from the main point which is that you were doing nothing to keep the US engaged in Iraq and finding out why so many people never gave a damn about the suffering of the Iraqi people under Saddam.

[Jake99]

Kerravon there is nothing natural about killing people and wrecking the environment its a systematic deficiency. I am quite sure that gambling is as destructive as selling skin. I suppose prostitution and exotic dancing is ok as well with you. Whatever it takes to make an honest buck, is that how you see it? You must think this world is fine, and you can fix it with more guns and laws and I know it can be fixed with no guns and few laws.

[Astroboy]

Kerravon there is nothing natural about killing people and wrecking the environment its a systematic deficiency. I am quite sure that gambling is as destructive as selling skin. I suppose prostitution and exotic dancing is ok as well with you. Whatever it takes to make an honest buck, is that how you see it? You must think this world is fine, and you can fix it with more guns and laws and I know it can be fixed with no guns and few laws.
Lemme put this way, those things we have here; sex and guns is somewhat between point of standing of science and nature.
For that matter, we're fighting for our own good.
Kerravon: I would say to you to use those "tools" possibility to lead life of destruction. If you don't use those tools then you're at a peace... disturbed by this disturbed mentality.
Jake: don't be scared of those stuff, those tools for us to provide by man-made for a key to turn the door if you of course asked someone to lead you... that sound like it the way of life. That is where peace are.

Peace at least please...

[Sammy56]

Originally Posted by Philosopher Foelhe
Indeed! Sorry we scared this guy off so fast - I imagine you would've wanted a shot at him.
Of course. I would have loved a little debate with yet another one of AO's "god-like" members. They always seem to give me practice in fine tunning my logic skills. Too bad I've been to busy with school. I've got to make more time to hang out here.


Originally Posted by Jake 99
I suppose prostitution and exotic dancing is ok
Jake, just a quick question I hope you can find the time to answer. Does the Bible not frown upon sexual promiscuity? And since you are supposedly Christ, do you not follow what is in the Bible? Just curious...

[kerravon]

I suppose prostitution and exotic dancing is ok as well with you.
Yes, they are fine. What's not fine is Iraqi women being raped by their own government. A problem which you spent no time investigating at all, while I was there solving it, with a miracle to boot. SHAME ON YOU JAKE.

[Jake99]

Kerravon,

You have solved nothing, and the system you endorse which thinks prostitution and gambling is OK, is the problem. I suppose dividing the land and the use of military force to spread your evil system is OK as well in your mind. Do you know how much fuel the militaries and salesman wastes each day? That says nothing of the tremendous environmental damage they do. GW Bush talks of freedom via destruction and I stand against letting him and people like him that wreck this planet.

[wyltk75]

Can someone change the name of this thread to Dueling Psychos?

[kerravon]

You have solved nothing,

I have so. I've cracked the tribal mentality of the Iraqis and know which tribe the pro-war people are in.



and the system you endorse which thinks prostitution and gambling is OK, is the problem.

No, the problem is people like you who didn't give a damn about Iraqi women being raped by their own government.



I suppose dividing the land and the use of military force to spread your evil system is OK as well in your mind. Do you know how much fuel the militaries and salesman wastes each day? That says nothing of the tremendous environmental damage they do. GW Bush talks of freedom via destruction and I stand against letting him and people like him that wreck this planet.
Yes, spreading freedom is a noble cause and the use of military force to destroy an enemy government that rapes its own citizens is perfectly fine. Only a moron would think that we don't have the right to end a holocaust.

[B.NyeTheUruk-Hai]

What's not fine is Iraqi women being raped by their own government. A problem which you spent no time investigating at all, while I was there solving it, with a miracle to boot. SHAME ON YOU JAKE.
Dude, I'd suggest that you pick up a dictionary and look up "beating a dead horse". Seriously, you're not only beating the dead horse, but you've pulverized it into an unrecognizable clump of brownish paste, doused it with gasoline, lit it on fire and then stamped out the fire with a golf shoe. Time to let it go...


No, the problem is people like you who didn't give a damn about Iraqi women being raped by their own government.
Kerravon, EVERYBODY here on these forums GIVES A DAMN about the Iraqi women being raped. So stop JUDGING people based on something as INSIGNIFICANT and USELESS as whether they've written a fucking BLOG about it...

[kerravon]

Kerravon, EVERYBODY here on these forums GIVES A DAMN about the Iraqi women being raped. So stop JUDGING people based on something as INSIGNIFICANT and USELESS as whether they've written a fucking BLOG about it...
It's not writing a blog about it that matters. It is whether you were investigating why so many people opposed the ending of institutionalized rape in Iraq.

[B.NyeTheUruk-Hai]

It's not writing a blog about it that matters. It is whether you were investigating why so many people opposed the ending of institutionalized rape in Iraq.
That's an even MORE fucked up reason. According to your MORONIC reasoning, even the POPE doesn't care about Iraqi women. Here's a suggestion, kerramoron. How about shut the fuck up and stop saying "shame on you" to every friggin' person here on the boards. All of the time that you've spent here telling people how ashamed they should be could've been MUCH BETTER spent actually DOING SOMETHING. Not only do you continue to beat a dead horse, but now you're ass-raping its bloated corpse...

[kerravon]

That's an even MORE fucked up reason. According to your MORONIC reasoning, even the POPE doesn't care about Iraqi women.

That's correct. The Pope didn't give a second thought to Saddam's victims.



All of the time that you've spent here telling people how ashamed they should be could've been MUCH BETTER spent actually DOING SOMETHING.

Such as what? I'm trying to spread my message. I can't think of a better way of doing that than what I am doing already.

[B.NyeTheUruk-Hai]

Such as what? I'm trying to spread my message. I can't think of a better way of doing that than what I am doing already.
Then you are officially the WORST messiah in the HISTORY of mankind...

[wyltk75]

<quote>Then you are officially the WORST messiah in the HISTORY of mankind...</quote>

LOL

[kerravon]

Then you are officially the WORST messiah in the HISTORY of mankind...
And the BEST Messiah would have spread his message HOW?

[B.NyeTheUruk-Hai]

And the BEST Messiah would have spread his message HOW?
You tell me. YOU'RE the messiah here, shit-tard...

Can you imagine the Kerravon Testament that will be written in the future?

In the beginning, there was nothing.
And then there was The Kerravon, but that did little to fill the nothingness.
And then The Kerravon created The Blog and the women of Iraq rejoiced for surely their salvation was at hand.
But only four people read The Blog and The Kerravon was not pleased.
And thus he directed his wrath at those with idle hands.
"Where were thou whence the Iraqi women were felled upon by the horny?"
"Shameth upon thou! Shameth upon thou!"

[New Creature]

In the beginning, there was nothing.
And then there was The Kerravon, but that did little to fill the nothingness.
And then The Kerravon created The Blog and the women of Iraq rejoiced for surely their salvation was at hand.
But only four people read The Blog and The Kerravon was not pleased.
And thus he directed his wrath at those with idle hands.
"Where were thou whence the Iraqi women were felled upon by the horny?"
"Shameth upon thou! Shameth upon thou!"

Now, under normal circumstances I would not laugh at something someone has posted against another. But this is an instant classic.

[nrj]

And the BEST Messiah would have spread his message HOW? I think the best messiah would actually make a difference. Since there's less people reading your blog than my family, you haven't made any significant difference. Less, singelhandedly, taken care of the Iraqi-problem.

[nrj]

Haven't you heard "love thy enemy"? Excuse me, do you know where the kerravon who said you should kill rapists went? Or do you back down from that opinion, in the heat of the debate?
And this is still getting away from the main point which is that you were doing nothing to keep the US engaged in Iraq and finding out why so many people never gave a damn about the suffering of the Iraqi people under Saddam. First of all, people did give a damn. We got about twentythousand iraqis in my city, and I treat them with respect whenever I meet them. BTW, where were you when Fadime (a female refugee from Iraq) was honor killed? Didn't you care about her?

See, there's a difference between debating and saying that everybody who doesn't put up blogs about Iraq are jackasses. The latter is pure insanity, since it, first of all, is subjective. Second of all, there are larger problems around the world, such as the decreasing amount of drinkable water. Even though people are shipping money for those projects, the water still decreases by the day and more and more people die from thirst.

I know that no avarage person actually wants a girl dying from thirst in a suburb of Mumbai. I know, that even though you don't put up a blog about something, that doesn't mean you give a damn about it. A guy who doesn't do anything at all, just think about himself and doesn't even speak to other people, sure, he's a jackass. But when a bloke who tries to make his own life go around, treat people with respect and maybe help unfortunate fellows he bumps in to, and DOES NOT put up a blog about Iraq, he is still an avarage person and NOT the devil incarnate. Nor is he dumb, ignorant or anything. If you don't understand this, then I'm wasting my time. That's not very uncommon when debating with you either, wich is why I've never been able to gather the strength to carry on a debate with you. It's a waste of time.

[kerravon]

I think the best messiah would actually make a difference.
How? I have the solution to the War on Terror, but I don't know how to spread it.

[kerravon]

Excuse me, do you know where the kerravon who said you should kill rapists went?

You should use minimum force required to constrain a rapist and bring him to justice.



BTW, where were you when Fadime (a female refugee from Iraq) was honor killed? Didn't you care about her?

Tell me the year it happened and I'll tell you what I was doing at the time. Probably it was during the Cold War or the near aftermath when we were waiting for the USSR to fully collapse before we could start interfering with other countries.



See, there's a difference between debating and saying that everybody who doesn't put up blogs about Iraq are jackasses. The latter is pure insanity, since it, first of all, is subjective. Second of all, there are larger problems around the world, such as the decreasing amount of drinkable water. Even though people are shipping money for those projects, the water still decreases by the day and more and more people die from thirst.

And you are pouring water into sand by doing that. Liberating Iraq on the other hand caused an INSTITUTIONAL CHANGE, which is what is required in order to fix the world.



I know that no avarage person actually wants a girl dying from thirst in a suburb of Mumbai.

You need to change the government and fix the culture if you want to fix this problem. Otherwise you're just pouring water into sand. In fact, India needs a constitutional change as well, to get rid of the bit that says India is a socialist country instead of a capitalist country. Pouring water into sand in India is ignoring the fact that the Indian government is mismanaging the country.

[wyltk75]

Kerravon asked: How? I have the solution to the War on Terror, but I don't know how to spread it

Kerravon answered his own question: You need to change the government and fix the culture if you want to fix this problem. Otherwise you're just pouring water into sand.

[B.NyeTheUruk-Hai]

How? I have the solution to the War on Terror, but I don't know how to spread it.
Then you're about as useless as a eunuch at a sperm-donor clinic...

By the way, kerramoron, 29,000 CHILDREN die of hunger EVERY DAY in Africa. And this has been going on for DECADES. But according to The Kerravon, a few Iraqi women getting raped ( in other words, NOT dying ) is MORE important than 29,000 CHILDREN dying EVERY DAY of hunger. Where were YOU when these children were DYING, kerramoron? Where were you? SHAME ON YOU!!!

[kerravon]

By the way, kerramoron, 29,000 CHILDREN die of hunger EVERY DAY in Africa. And this has been going on for DECADES. But according to The Kerravon, a few Iraqi women getting raped ( in other words, NOT dying ) is MORE important than 29,000 CHILDREN dying EVERY DAY of hunger. Where were YOU when these children were DYING, kerramoron? Where were you? SHAME ON YOU!!!
Children don't die any more unless there's a civil war preventing aid from getting through. What would you like me to have done to solve the civil wars? The solution is to recolonize those countries, but everyone's too scared to do so, hence the problem continues.

Meanwhile, the Iraqi women being raped was a direct result of government policy. Ergo, the government itself needed to be toppled. This is why Iraq was important to topple. The MOST IMPORTANT thing to do because it was POSSIBLE TO FIX this problem. Toppling Saddam isn't pouring water into sand, it's instead creating the institutional changes required to make Iraq a jewel in the Middle East.

[nrj]

You should use minimum force required to constrain a rapist and bring him to justice. Oh really? These posts ring a bell?


You wouldn't kill a rapist?


No, I live by a philosophy that says "two wrongs doesn't make a right.

You're sure these posts didn't ring a bell?



Tell me the year it happened and I'll tell you what I was doing at the time. It was about 2 months ago. You were blogging then, right?



And you are pouring water into sand by doing that. And writing some html-codes, showing it to less than 10 people and walking around dissing people for not doing the same isn't? You have a strange perspective.


Pouring water into sand in India is ignoring the fact that the Indian government is mismanaging the country. And you believe you can change a goverment with a blog? Just answer "yes" or "no".

[kerravon]

Oh really? These posts ring a bell?
You're sure these posts didn't ring a bell?

Those posts are not incompatible with "love thy enemy" and "use minimum force required". Sometimes killing someone is the minimum force required to end a rape.



It was about 2 months ago. You were blogging then, right?

Ok, what was I doing about honor killing in Iraq 2 months ago? I was overseeing Iraqi elections which produced a government that makes honor killing illegal. What would you like me to have been doing?



And writing some html-codes, showing it to less than 10 people and walking around dissing people for not doing the same isn't? You have a strange perspective.

I have the solution to the War on Terror. It doesn't involve pouring water into sand.



And you believe you can change a goverment with a blog?
I believe bloggers are having a political effect and that governments such as Iran's will change if we can produce enough political will to send in our troops.

[B.NyeTheUruk-Hai]

Children don't die any more unless there's a civil war preventing aid from getting through. What would you like me to have done to solve the civil wars?
You could write a BLOG about it. You know, try and "crack" the mindset of the soldiers...


Meanwhile, the Iraqi women being raped was a direct result of government policy. Ergo, the government itself needed to be toppled. This is why Iraq was important to topple. The MOST IMPORTANT thing to do because it was POSSIBLE TO FIX this problem.
It's JUST as POSSIBLE to topple the two sides that are involved in civil war. Ergo, your explanation is nothing more than a steaming pile of corn-riddled fecal matter...


Toppling Saddam isn't pouring water into sand
Aw, shit. First there was "Where were you...?" And then there was "Shame on you!" And now we have "Pouring water into sand."


Those posts are not incompatible with "love thy enemy" and "use minimum force required". Sometimes killing someone is the minimum force required to end a rape.
Nice dodge, hypocrite...


Ok, what was I doing about honor killing in Iraq 2 months ago? I was overseeing Iraqi elections which produced a government that makes honor killing illegal. What would you like me to have been doing?
AAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!! You were overseeing the Iraqi elections?!?!?! How exactly did you "oversee" them, kerramoron? Did you fly over to Iraq and help the REAL people who were overseeing the election? Please enlighten me...

More excerpts from The Kerravon Testament!
And on the seventh day, The Kerravon created the Blog.
And He proclaimed, "I blog, therefore I am." And it was good.
But only four people actually read The Blog.
And unto these readers, The Kerravon unleashed his Commandments.
"Thou shalt blog."
"Thou shalt vote for The Dubya."
"Thou shalt visit my Blog regularly and click on the advertiser links."
"Thou shalt not worship false Messiahs."
But before The Kerravon could go on any further, he noticed that his four Blog readers were eating Twinkies.
And it made him wroth with anger, for partaking of The Twinkie was Sacrament to The Jake.
"Why dost thou partake of The Twinkie? Dost thou worship the Anti-Kerravon?"
But the four Blog readers could not respond to The Kerravon, for their mouths were full of golden cake and some unknown creamy white filling.
Vexed by such blasphemy, The Kerravon hurled his laptop, which contained His commandments, at the readers.
But instead of punishing them, the hurling of said laptop served only to provide the readers with a vast horde of illegal child pornography that The Kerravon had downloaded.
And The Kerravon proclaimed, "Thou haveth before thee a miracle! For I did download the sacred porn with but ONE hand."
And thus ended the seventh day...

[Philosopher Foelhe]

Nice dodge, hypocrite...

While most of the previous post is the typical Kerravon farce, I have to agree with him here. I don't see anything wrong with killing someone in self-defense... but it should be done as a last resort, and it should be done regretfully.


"Thou haveth before thee a miracle! For I did download the sacred porn with but ONE hand."

We're not worthy! We're not worthy!

[wyltk75]

I think this world needs people like Kerravon and Jake. Without them, we would only have sane people.

With only sane people on discussion forums, there would be less excitement.

So, keep on posting you nut jobs. :2thumbs:

[kerravon]

You could write a BLOG about it. You know, try and "crack" the mindset of the soldiers...

I know the mindset already. In the DR Congo they are racist, with the different races fighting each other, none trusting the other.



It's JUST as POSSIBLE to topple the two sides that are involved in civil war. Ergo, your explanation is nothing more than a steaming pile of corn-riddled fecal matter...

No, it requires having a neutral government that the protagonists can trust. ie recolonization is required. Are you will willing to recolonize the country. Most aren't. I am.



AAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!! You were overseeing the Iraqi elections?!?!?! How exactly did you "oversee" them, kerramoron? Did you fly over to Iraq and help the REAL people who were overseeing the election? Please enlighten me...

No, I was monitoring them from here to find out what the Iraqi people REALLY wanted. There's only one way to find out what is REALLY in their brains, and that is via secret ballot. The result is fine. Honor killing will not be allowed by the new government. Which is the "best technology" we have.

[Philosopher Foelhe]

Government is corruptable. Just because the majority agreed with you does not mean that what you want will come to pass. You're a fool to think otherwise.

[kerravon]

Government is corruptable. Just because the majority agreed with you does not mean that what you want will come to pass. You're a fool to think otherwise.
They have an independent judiciary already. Honestly, everything has been set up exactly as it is in the West. Iraq is a success story.

[nrj]

Those posts are not incompatible with "love thy enemy" and "use minimum force required". Sometimes killing someone is the minimum force required to end a rape.[quote] And how are you going to bring a dead rapist in to justice? Drag him with a body bag in to the court room?

Actually, I read about a small boy, about 13 years old, who saw a rape and ended it by stating he had called the police. Sure, I agree you should use violence to stop the crimes from happening, but punish them with death or beating?


[QUOTE=kerravon]Ok, what was I doing about honor killing in Iraq 2 months ago? I was overseeing Iraqi elections which produced a government that makes honor killing illegal. Actually, it happened right here in Sweden. A part of the free world, correct? One honor killing is commited every month, but this one got more media publicity. This iraqi girl had came from the ash in to the flame by just coming to this part of the world. We don't even investigate honor killings properly, since we are using our police resources with neglience.


What would you like me to have been doing?

You're the one who will be a major help to make the world free, right? Shouldn't you have the ideas?

Well, you could've held a large demonstration on Avenyn (the down town area of the city where she was killed), send a letter to Tv4, post on swedish forums about the matter etc.

The list of possible things to do is long.



I have the solution to the War on Terror. It doesn't involve pouring water into sand. And the only way your spreading this message is through blogs? What about TV, newspapers, flyers, banners, manifestations and more media?

You're a very crappy messiah, did you know that?



I believe bloggers are having a political effect and that governments such as Iran's will change if we can produce enough political will to send in our troops. Political effect? Dude ... that's like saying I have a political effect, and I still wait for the police to pick up my opinions I spread through my blog. And I've been doing this shit now for more than a year.

[kerravon]

Actually, it happened right here in Sweden. A part of the free world, correct? One honor killing is commited every month, but this one got more media publicity. This iraqi girl had came from the ash in to the flame by just coming to this part of the world. We don't even investigate honor killings properly, since we are using our police resources with neglience.

Sweden already has the best technology available, which is to make honor killing illegal. To do better than that requires changes to individuals rather than to the law. It's easy to fix the law (you just send in the tanks), but it's much harder to fix individuals. To fix individuals you need to change their RELIGION. Then you have to decide what religion to change them to. Christianity or Buddhism are peaceful religions, but Muslims are unlikely to give up what they've been indoctrinated to believe in. But I've solved that problem by finding a sect of Islam that puts the brain above all else (including the Quran), so that it is able to be changed. That's what Mu'tazilah is. The 3rd link at www.moatazilla.org. The solution to the problem is to spread Mu'tazilah. I'm already spreading that as best I know how.



You're the one who will be a major help to make the world free, right? Shouldn't you have the ideas?

My idea was to post my religion on message boards. I never claimed to know the best marketing strategy.



Well, you could've held a large demonstration on Avenyn (the down town area of the city where she was killed),

Demonstrations in a democracy are pointless. The law is already good and even if it wasn't, the law is set by a majority of the voters, not a noisy minority.



send a letter to Tv4

Saying what?



post on swedish forums about the matter etc.

The Swedes already agree that it is wrong. The problem is with Muslim immigrants, not Swedes.



The list of possible things to do is long.

You haven't suggested anything useful yet.



And the only way your spreading this message is through blogs? What about TV, newspapers, flyers, banners, manifestations and more media?

How am I supposed to get on TV or newspapers? I have printed out flyers and out of the 70 I delivered, I didn't get a single person check out my web site. The flyer said "Jesus has returned (really!). www.moatazilla.org". I am in the process now of taking out an ad in a Sydney magazine saying "Jesus is back - and he's Australian. See www.moatazilla.org".



You're a very crappy messiah, did you know that?

I came up with "fight subjugation", the most important phrase in history.

[Philosopher Foelhe]

They have an independent judiciary already.

... Okay. So, again. Your "secret ballot" had... what affect, exactly?


I came up with "fight subjugation", the most important phrase in history.

ROFLMAO!

Dude, are you fucking crazy? "Fight subjugation" isn't exactly an exciting new catch-phrase. Hell, I've been using those words - TOGETHER, no less - since I was eleven.

[kerravon]

"Fight subjugation" isn't exactly an exciting new catch-phrase. Hell, I've been using those words - TOGETHER, no less - since I was eleven.
The hell you have. It took a hell of a lot of effort to come up with that phrase. You probably don't even know what "subjugation" is. You've probably confused it with some other word.

[Philosopher Foelhe]

The hell you have. It took a hell of a lot of effort to come up with that phrase. You probably don't even know what "subjugation" is. You've probably confused it with some other word.

*chuckles* Well, I'll admit I've never looked it up. But my impression was that "subjugation" is to make someone lesser, or to control them. Let's check with our good friend dictionary.com...

1. To bring under control; conquer.
2. To make subservient; enslave.

Yep. Seems like I'm spot on with this one. Don't mess with me when it comes to English, lad. You may know more about Iraq than I do, but if we're discussing syntax and the minute variations between definitions of words that, to the less language-oriented, seem indistinguishable, I'm afraid you are sadly outclassed.

[kerravon]

*chuckles* Well, I'll admit I've never looked it up. But my impression was that "subjugation" is to make someone lesser, or to control them. Let's check with our good friend dictionary.com...

1. To bring under control; conquer.
2. To make subservient; enslave.

Or to force someone to SUBMIT to your rule.



Yep. Seems like I'm spot on with this one. Don't mess with me when it comes to English, lad. You may know more about Iraq than I do, but if we're discussing syntax and the minute variations between definitions of words that, to the less language-oriented, seem indistinguishable, I'm afraid you are sadly outclassed.
And there is no way in hell that you were saying "fight subjugation" when you were 11 years old. The first time you've ever heard the phrase was from me. Don't lie.

[Philosopher Foelhe]

Or to force someone to SUBMIT to your rule.

*nods* True. I wasn't trying to give a complete definition in my example. Just a basic overview. I tend to choose my words carefully, so it's hard for me to clearly define the subtleties in words.


And there is no way in hell that you were saying "fight subjugation" when you were 11 years old. The first time you've ever heard the phrase was from me. Don't lie.

No, really. I was saying "fight subjugation" long before I heard of you.

I think the problem you're having here is in the word "phrase". You're trying to say that your version of "fight subjugation" is iconic, like "shit happens". I wasn't using an iconic phrase, I was just taking the words "fight" and "subjugation" and putting them together. They work well that way, obviously.

*ponders* But come to think of it, I think the phrase "reject subjugation" works better. "Reject" makes the phrase seem both more philosophical and more tenatious, both of which work well for your purposes. Plus it flows nicely. Kind've a verbal feng shui.

[kerravon]

No, really. I was saying "fight subjugation" long before I heard of you.

So when you were 11 years old, what sentence did you say to who that included the phrase "fight subjugation"? A google search on "fight subjugation" turns up very little use.



I think the problem you're having here is in the word "phrase". You're trying to say that your version of "fight subjugation" is iconic, like "shit happens". I wasn't using an iconic phrase, I was just taking the words "fight" and "subjugation" and putting them together. They work well that way, obviously.

I am saying that you need to teach children to fight subjugation. The message I got from my parents was "don't fight" not "fight subjugation".



*ponders* But come to think of it, I think the phrase "reject subjugation" works better. "Reject" makes the phrase seem both more philosophical and more tenatious, both of which work well for your purposes. Plus it flows nicely. Kind've a verbal feng shui.
You need to make it stronger, so that boys think it is NOBLE to fight subjugation. If you soften it, to say "don't subjugate", you get the situation we have in Europe where most of the countries were against the Iraq war. The Europeans are non-subjugators. The Anglophones are anti-subjugators. Teaching children to fight is a novel concept.

[Philosopher Foelhe]

So when you were 11 years old, what sentence did you say to who that included the phrase "fight subjugation"? A google search on "fight subjugation" turns up very little use.

It wasn't online. I used the phrase once when I was talking about Native Americans, I think. Used it plenty of other times besides, but I don't really remember the circumstances.


I am saying that you need to teach children to fight subjugation. The message I got from my parents was "don't fight" not "fight subjugation".

*shrugs* We're talking about a phrase, not a philosophy. Even if that wasn't the case, you didn't create the philosophy, either. My ma raised me very strongly on the belief of "fight subjugation".


You need to make it stronger, so that boys think it is NOBLE to fight subjugation. If you soften it, to say "don't subjugate", you get the situation we have in Europe where most of the countries were against the Iraq war.

Well... I'll give you that one. I tend to use "reject" in an agressive way myself, but I guess that's not how most people look at it.

[kerravon]

My ma raised me very strongly on the belief of "fight subjugation".

What was the sentence she used to tell you?

[Philosopher Foelhe]

There wasn't just one sentance. She put it in many different ways. I don't think she ever used the phrase, "fight subjugation," but I wouldn't be surprised if she did.

We don't all need a catch-phrase to know what we want to do in this life.

[nrj]

Sweden already has the best technology available, which is to make honor killing illegal. To do better than that requires changes to individuals rather than to the law. No, some swedes does not think it was wrong. Although I think it was wrong to do such, I've met other people saying "well, what do you want them to do?".
It's easy to fix the law (you just send in the tanks), but it's much harder to fix individuals. To fix individuals you need to change their RELIGION. I kinda prefer not to beat people into obedience. That's when a country becomes a tyranny. Or does the ends justify the means?
Then you have to decide what religion to change them to. Christianity or Buddhism are peaceful religions, but Muslims are unlikely to give up what they've been indoctrinated to believe in. LOL! Oh my God, you really need to look up what you're talking about.

Christianity, a peaceful religion? You are talking about the religion that have genocided continents and complete cultures? And Buddhism? Hirohito killed more chinese than Hitler killed jews.


But I've solved that problem by finding a sect of Islam that puts the brain above all else (including the Quran), so that it is able to be changed. That's what Mu'tazilah is. The 3rd link at www.moatazilla.org. The solution to the problem is to spread Mu'tazilah. I'm already spreading that as best I know how. You see, the problem with you is that you're completely close minded. Do you know any nation at all that's build upon ... whatever that religions name is?



My idea was to post my religion on message boards. I never claimed to know the best marketing strategy. That's excactly what you've been doing from day one here on AO. Your constantly repeating "My opinions right, yours wrong" and then the evidence you use to back this up is horse shit. But when we tell you it's horse shit, you simply throw that back in our face.



Demonstrations in a democracy are pointless. The law is already good and even if it wasn't, the law is set by a majority of the voters, not a noisy minority. By stating such, you've admited that you've never, ever, read something about swedish politics. We chose the people who chose the laws. That's the closest we can come. The only times we've actually voted about accepting a law can be counted on my left hand. And sometimes they even neglect the poulations opinion, and go against it anyway.



The Swedes already agree that it is wrong. The problem is with Muslim immigrants, not Swedes. What is your experience about Sweden? You're talking like you didn't even know the color of our flag.



You haven't suggested anything useful yet. Should I, really? You're not listening at all.



How am I supposed to get on TV or newspapers? I have printed out flyers and out of the 70 I delivered, I didn't get a single person check out my web site. The flyer said "Jesus has returned (really!). www.moatazilla.org". I am in the process now of taking out an ad in a Sydney magazine saying "Jesus is back - and he's Australian. See www.moatazilla.org". I guess this is were I should've said "good luck", but since I don't agree with you, I guess I'll just continue talking to the wall.



I came up with "fight subjugation", the most important phrase in history. Oh, really? To me, it seems as that phrase haven't done any change.

If you really is the messiah, and the only thing you're doing is to keep repeating "fight subjugation" then we have alot more crappier god.

[kerravon]

There wasn't just one sentance. She put it in many different ways. I don't think she ever used the phrase, "fight subjugation," but I wouldn't be surprised if she did.

We don't all need a catch-phrase to know what we want to do in this life.
We do when we need to explain to people of the Middle East what "freedom" is. To us, freedom is obvious. To people of the Middle East they are equating it to "revolt" and "right to ignore the rules" and getting a chaotic result. We need to explain to them that freedom is "not subjugated" and that the coalition is there to "fight subjugation" and that we are in a tribe of anti-subjugators and a mere behaviour change will allow them to be in the same tribe as us. That we're not tribal on whites/Christians, we're tribal on anti-subjugation.

[kerravon]

No, some swedes does not think it was wrong. Although I think it was wrong to do such, I've met other people saying "well, what do you want them to do?". I kinda prefer not to beat people into obedience. That's when a country becomes a tyranny. Or does the ends justify the means? LOL! Oh my God, you really need to look up what you're talking about.

The means and the ends should be evaluated and the least worst option chosen. That to me means we don't leave governments in place that rape their own citizens.



Christianity, a peaceful religion? You are talking about the religion that have genocided continents and complete cultures? And Buddhism? Hirohito killed more chinese than Hitler killed jews.

I'm talking about modern Christianity and Buddhism and Hirohito didn't wipe out fellow buddhists in the name of buddhism, he did it in the name of Japanese nationalism.



You see, the problem with you is that you're completely close minded. Do you know any nation at all that's build upon ... whatever that religions name is?

All of our liberal democracies are based on the principles of Mu'tazilah. That's how I came up with it. I analyzed why Australia turned up for whatever war was going. What the fundamental ideology of our country was.



By stating such, you've admited that you've never, ever, read something about swedish politics. We chose the people who chose the laws. That's the closest we can come. The only times we've actually voted about accepting a law can be counted on my left hand. And sometimes they even neglect the poulations opinion, and go against it anyway.

Stop whinging. You live in a democracy and you can set it up any way you want. It's under the population's control.



Oh, really? To me, it seems as that phrase haven't done any change.

It is the phrase that makes Australia turn up to all the fights. We just didn't have the words to describe what we were doing. Now we do.

[mickydoolittle]

The hell you have. It took a hell of a lot of effort to come up with that phrase. You probably don't even know what "subjugation" is. You've probably confused it with some other word.
Of course, it's oh so easy to confuse subjugation with masturbation...
:bondage:

[Philosopher Foelhe]

We do when we need to explain to people of the Middle East what "freedom" is. To us, freedom is obvious. To people of the Middle East they are equating it to "revolt" and "right to ignore the rules" and getting a chaotic result. We need to explain to them that freedom is "not subjugated" and that the coalition is there to "fight subjugation" and that we are in a tribe of anti-subjugators and a mere behaviour change will allow them to be in the same tribe as us.

Sorry, I'm calling BS on this. If the people in the Middle East really don't understand the difference between freedom and rebellion, do you honestly think you can sum up the difference in two words? Especially for a group of people who speak English as a second language, at best? If we are going to teach this group about the boundaries we believe they should adhere to, we need to be clear and precise. "Fight subjugation" is fine if you're trying to rally the troops, but as a philosophical treatise it is highly inadequate.

[kerravon]

Sorry, I'm calling BS on this. If the people in the Middle East really don't understand the difference between freedom and rebellion, do you honestly think you can sum up the difference in two words?

Yep.



Especially for a group of people who speak English as a second language, at best? If we are going to teach this group about the boundaries we believe they should adhere to, we need to be clear and precise. "Fight subjugation" is fine if you're trying to rally the troops, but as a philosophical treatise it is highly inadequate.
We need to rally the troops. We need allies. This is how to get allies. There may not be an Arabic word for "subjugate" (English is a rich language). But that's OK, because the explanation is "force someone to SUBMIT to your rule". And they have "submit" down pat. That's what "Islam" means - SUBMISSION.

[B.NyeTheUruk-Hai]

Since "Fight Subjugation" is already taken by Foelhe, might I suggest another catch phrase for kerravon? How about "Fight Schizophrenia"?

[Philosopher Foelhe]

But that's OK, because the explanation is "force someone to SUBMIT to your rule". And they have "submit" down pat. That's what "Islam" means - SUBMISSION.

I'm gonna roll right past the fact that you're basically saying this means, "Fight all your religion stands for!" and point out the fact that this is still a pretty piss poor example. After all, if you break a law, and the police arrest you, aren't they forcing you to submit to the law, and thus the rule of whoever makes the laws? We need to be more specific here, pal. Pithy catch-phrases are a nice place to start, but they are in no way a substitute for detailed and thought-out philosophy.


Since "Fight Subjugation" is already taken by Foelhe, might I suggest another catch phrase for kerravon? How about "Fight Schizophrenia"?

Bill! Shh! You're gonna get me grounded from the Matrix! :D

[kerravon]

I'm gonna roll right past the fact that you're basically saying this means, "Fight all your religion stands for!" and point out the fact that this is still a pretty piss poor example.

Islam means submission to GOD not to a dictator.



After all, if you break a law, and the police arrest you, aren't they forcing you to submit to the law, and thus the rule of whoever makes the laws? We need to be more specific here, pal. Pithy catch-phrases are a nice place to start, but they are in no way a substitute for detailed and thought-out philosophy.

That depends on who makes the laws. In a democracy, the people are ultimately responsible for the laws. Hence you are not being subjugated by a dictator. If you live in a democracy and you don't like the laws, you can use your freedom of speech to speak out against them and your freedom of association to start a political party and compete for power. You are in no way being subjugated. You are free. That is what freedom is. That is what was missing from Saddam's Iraq.

[Philosopher Foelhe]

Well, I could possibly argue with that, but my point is that questions like this are going to be asked. Which is why a phrase consisting of two words doesn't work in this situation. People need to be clear of the variations such as these, and they need to be spelled out. Otherwise people start looking for the loopholes.

[nrj]

That depends on who makes the laws. In a democracy, the people are ultimately responsible for the laws. And now you have, wether you like it or not, said that Sweden is not a democracy. The closest we can come to change the laws, is to vote for another party every 4th year. Other than that, it's the Riksdag that choses the laws, and NEVER asks the people about it. Except for 5 times, out of a couple of thousands of law changes.

[kerravon]

Well, I could possibly argue with that, but my point is that questions like this are going to be asked. Which is why a phrase consisting of two words doesn't work in this situation. People need to be clear of the variations such as these, and they need to be spelled out. Otherwise people start looking for the loopholes.
It is spelled out in full in my new religion, which you can see at the 3rd link of www.moatazilla.org. It is one of the three pillars. As far as I am aware, I have covered everything.

[kerravon]

And now you have, wether you like it or not, said that Sweden is not a democracy. The closest we can come to change the laws, is to vote for another party every 4th year. Other than that, it's the Riksdag that choses the laws, and NEVER asks the people about it. Except for 5 times, out of a couple of thousands of law changes.
Sweden is a democracy. You can vote for a party that says all laws are going to be made via referendum, if that is what you wish. This is an internal matter to be decided amongst the Swedish PEOPLE. Personally I think it is unwise to legislate via referendum, as we get the best result with a RATIONAL government, with decisions being made according to science rather than by a population not well versed in this particular subject. But that's up to Swedes. You can make your country more backward if you want.