The Divine Trinity Is In Jesus Christ

[SpiritualSon]

Jesus said in John, "My Father and I are one.""He that hath seen Me hadth seen the Father.".This means that the Father and Son were the same person. The Father is the Soul of Jesus. Father and Son, means Soul and Body of Jesus.

There were no trinity at creation, because the saying in the Old Testament contradicts it. There were no Son of God before creation, not until God the Creator became Man, under the name Jesus Christ.

I am Jehovah and there is none else there is no God besides Me that they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is no God besides Me: I am Jehovah and there is none else (Isa.45:5,6).

O Jehovah of Armies, God of Israel, that dwellest on the cherubim, Thou art the God, even Thou alone, over all the kingdoms of the earth (Isa. 37:16).

Is there a God besides Me? and a Rock? I know not any (Isa. 44:8).

Who is God save Jehovah? and who is a Rock save our God? (Ps.18:31).


The Lord is that God, is confirmed by these passages of the Word:
Surely God is in thee, and there is none else, there is no God. Verily Thou art a God that hidest Thyself, O God of Israel, the Savior (Isa. 45:14, 15).

Have not I Jehovah? and there is no God else besides Me, a just God and a Savior, there is none besides Me. Look unto Me that ye may be saved, all the ends of the earth; for I am God, and there is none else (Isa. 45:21, 22).

I am Jehovah, and besides Me there is no Savior (Isa. 43:11).

Jesus is the Everlasting Father, as in Isaiah 9:6-7. Unto us a Child is born, unto us a Son is given: and the government shall be upon His shoulder: and His name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, God, Hero,the Mighty, the Everlasting Father, the Prince of Peace.Isa. 9: 6, 7.


Harry

[BillyBayou]

If you believe in Jesus you are deceived just like your own Bible tells you in Rev.12:9.

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BB

[SpiritualSon]

If you believe in Jesus you are deceived just like your own Bible tells you in Rev.12:9.

www.weeblindmice.com

BB

Is that how you welcame people here? You are a fool for shunning knowledge you know nothing about. You're the one who is deceived. Have you ever study Swedenborg's writings. How do you know they are false, if you haven't read them? Whose been teaching you, your daddy. What church you belong to?

Harry

[jeffweeder]

(quote ss )There were no trinity at creation, because the saying in the Old Testament contradicts it. There were no Son of God before creation, not until God the Creator became Man, under the name Jesus Christ.

Let US make man in OUR image. US should mean US and OUR should mean OUR, just like DAY (yom ) means ,and their was evening and morning 1 day. This is the text and no getting around it. You say their was no son of god before creation, well that makes jesus a liar then ,as he wanted to return to what he had before the creation? So what would make sense of this text is that us means us.; He was there in the beginning as the father uttered the little word us and our. But yes god is one

[autryn2]

Harry:

No offense, cause ALOT of Christians believe in the Triunne(sp?) God. For myself (a practicing mainstream Christian) I just can't get past SEVERAL passages where Christ Himself speaks and refutes the Triunne concept.

How bout Matthew Chapter 24???: 36"No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son,[f] but only the Father.

How bout John Chapter 5???: 30By myself I can do nothing; I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just, for I seek not to please myself but him who sent me.

How bout John Chapter 8???: 54Jesus replied, "If I glorify myself, my glory means nothing. My Father, whom you claim as your God, is the one who glorifies me.

How bout Matthew Chapter 23???: 8"But you are not to be called 'Rabbi,' for you have only one Master and you are all brothers. 9And do not call anyone on earth 'father,' for you have one Father, and he is in heaven. 10Nor are you to be called 'teacher,' for you have one Teacher, the Christ.

How bout Matthew Chapter 27???: 46About the ninth hour Jesus cried out in a loud voice, "Eloi, Eloi,[a] lama sabachthani?"—which means, "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?"[b]

How bout John Chapter 3???: 16"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son,[a] that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.


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I personally believe God and Christ are one in PURPOSE.... just not the same entity.

[New Creature]

I personally believe God and Christ are one in PURPOSE.... just not the same entity.


Well put,

Learn something important and profound: Whenever someone tries to teach you a doctrine that is UNscriptural, he will always be forced to use words that are unscriptural.

First of all, nowhere in the Scriptures is God referred to or called a "trinity."

Second, the word "three" is never used in reference to Who or What God is.

Third, God is never called or referred to as "a person."

Four, the holy spirit is never called "God."

Five, since Christ is the Son, He cannot also be the Father or be coequal with His Father. Christ plainly said:

"My Father is GREATER than I" (John 14:28).

The holy spirit is never called God, and God is never referred to as a trinity or a person or consisting of three, and Christ is the Son of the Father, YET this mysterious doctrine is believed by millions. Why?

The biblical truth is at http://bible-truths.com/trinity.html

*there is to much here to cut and paste, and even though it seems like I am trying to get mad plugs in for this site, I only promote it so as to not give the impression I did this research myself.

His teachings seem almost alien to some, even me when I first started reading. But never the less you cannot help but see the simplicity and TRUE meaning of the bible.(this is NOT a new Gospel, It is the Original Gospel) MAN has made the bible what man thinks it ought to mean. Throughout the translation process of many thousands of years, many misinterpretations, lost punctuation, and words that simply WOULD not translate to english have been substituted. Thus a confusion.

[Beatnik Bob]

(quote ss )There were no trinity at creation, because the saying in the Old Testament contradicts it. There were no Son of God before creation, not until God the Creator became Man, under the name Jesus Christ.

Let US make man in OUR image. US should mean US and OUR should mean OUR
If anything, it means G-d and the hosts of heaven. Thus the US.

[Beatnik Bob]

His teachings seem almost alien to some, even me when I first started reading. But never the less you cannot help but see the simplicity and TRUE meaning of the bible.(this is NOT a new Gospel, It is the Original Gospel) MAN has made the bible what man thinks it ought to mean. Throughout the translation process of many thousands of years, many misinterpretations, lost punctuation, and words that simply WOULD not translate to english have been substituted. Thus a confusion.
Right on!


Have you been reading my thread It's Rather pathetic..... by any chance?

[Jake99]

Harry,

If you believe in your message that started this thread you are correct.

I did start to read about Swedenborg but lost interest when he said the second coming came in his time. That man was from the dark ages 1667 or something, maybe he has many good things to say as you do, but saying this world has been reformed or redeemed already is not what fixes this planet. If people were behind the teachings of Christ the problems of the world would not be as they are, they would be resolved.

The Second Coming is as physical as the first, with one man claiming to be the Messiah and having already done what the scriptures said he would. The difference is, that this time it will be verifiable, if the Messiah can get someone to look at the proof which was well hidden, in plain sight.

[wyltk75]

You are right about one thing Jake. The second coming didn't happen back in the 1600s (if you were the messiah, wouldn't you know everything?")

And yes, the second coming will be a physical return. The Messiah will come the same way that he left. He will ascend from heaven, where he went after his ministry was done. Jesus will not need to take on another physical body. He has one. He died on the cross and was ressurected. His body was made perfect. He will not need to be born again, in a different body. The one he has is just fine.

[Beatnik Bob]

And yes, the second coming will be a physical return. The Messiah will come the same way that he left. He will ascend from heaven, where he went after his ministry was done. Jesus will not need to take on another physical body. He has one. He died on the cross and was ressurected. His body was made perfect. He will not need to be born again, in a different body. The one he has is just fine. ...And it says this where....

[Jake99]

The body of Jesus is gone, quit depending on a dead man and look to the one who ran circles around him as Jesus said I would.

[Godsgifttomankind]

Hello wyltk75,

Time to sharpen the sword


And yes, the second coming will be a physical return. The Messiah will come the same way that he left. He will ascend from heaven, where he went after his ministry was done. Jesus will not need to take on another physical body. He has one. He died on the cross and was ressurected. His body was made perfect. He will not need to be born again, in a different body. The one he has is just fine.

Please explain to me these verses from 1 Corinthians with specific reference to the part were it says that flesh and blood can not inherit the kingdom of God.
15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

15:46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.

15:47 The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven.

15:48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.

15:49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

[Nova Scotia]

Stephen Saw the Father with the Son on his Right .

Hebrews one has God the Father Talking to The Son A Conversation . Where God the Father says the son was the creator .

The Son never Did his Own will .

The son Could do nothing of himself He was taught what to do and Say

The Son was commanded what to say and Do .

Pauls Letters Open with God the Father And THe Lord Jesus Christ


Ya Something Wrong with the Trinity .

Actually the trinity is Anti Christ As if its True Christ was not in the Flesh 100% but 2/3s was back in nice sinless heaven so he would not Be tempted as a Man while in the flesh like we are . Its Anti Christ it teaches he was in heaven and earth both . So not in the Flesh

The Son Was Made The God Of man by the Holy Father whom he Knew of As His GOd . Christ Had a God . But Christ was the Creator and Also the God Of Old testament . It was Christ that Lead Isreal out of Eygpt. It was Christ that Dealt with old testament Prophets .

Its a Family of 2 remember we will become one as they Are . We don't become a mysteries trinity , we become part of ther Family ( romans 8 )

[Philosopher Foelhe]

its True Christ was not in the Flesh 100% but 2/3s was back in nice sinless heaven so he would not Be tempted as a Man while in the flesh like we are

That doesn't make any sense. Jesus was tempted. Remember? The devil came to him in the desert and tempted him to use his power. Hell, I thought the entire point of the New Testament was that Jesus resisted death, and therefore broke its hold over us. If Jesus was mostly back in heaven, he wouldn't have faced death in the first place.

[Nova Scotia]

Just want to Ad .

When Christ returns to this Earth in the future he is not a man . He was only a man for 33.5 years .When resurected he was A Spiritual being Again .

Before a Man he existed as Part of The God Family , The Word or the spokesman.

He was the Creator , the God Of old testament , he is our God because the Holy Father Made him God or made him the final judge the creator ect .
No man can go to the Father Accept Through Christ .

Thats why Christians Pray to the Father But in Christ Name , as only Christ can go to the Father .

Christ was made the most high as far as we are concerned by the most high Holy Father . Is about the only Way i Can discribe it .

Christ is the first Born of many brethren . Now that is a big Statement!

[Nova Scotia]

Read my Post again I Said IF the trinity is true !!!!

I don't think it Is

[Philosopher Foelhe]

Ah, apologies. *considers* Of course, I'm not sure that's true. God might've been in three parts - however, the Christ was not. There's also a question (if this is true, of course) of how aware Jesus was of his celestial half. He might've realize it was there, but not gotten much imput from it, allowing him to be tempted freely. Hard to say.

[Jake99]

The first thing Christ has to do is prove who he is to himself. But don't let anyone understand what you are doing even when they often ask if you are the Christ. Do what comes natural and put on the greatest show ever seen on earth. And when the call comes in to accept the role of King of the world, you engage in the battle of Armageddon and all the Trials and Tribulations. And the Messiah with all the miracles behind him wins, as all do or have that stood behind him in the past.