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Nov 7th, 2003, 1:21 PM
So what was wrong with the end, Will? I thought it was quite neat. The battle in Zion was incredible, as was the ones with Neo and Smith.
Nov 7th, 2003, 11:17 PM
The battles were great...... but the whole thing with the machines giving up.
Have you seen the animatrix?
It informs you of all the background behind the machine and human war.
There was nothing to stop the machines from killing the humans. Neo kills smith but dies in the process, so the machines have a open platter to destroy Zion.
After all the @#&% the machines and humans have gone through, it is not very realistic for them to just stop.
Other than the ending, I liked the movie. Some bloody great fight scenes....
Nov 7th, 2003, 11:58 PM
You guys are evil! I couldn't resist. You knew that too huh?
Nov 8th, 2003, 6:30 AM
Don't look at me...... Mike started the topic.
Sounds like you need a little more self control Vegas..... :evil:
Nov 8th, 2003, 7:33 PM
I didn't like the ending much either. I would of prefered all of them being slaughtered
Nov 8th, 2003, 8:01 PM
My self control (In some areas) is a work in progress. :evil:
Nov 8th, 2003, 8:09 PM
I agree with Dark Ace.
There was nothing to stop the machines from destroying Zion. So they should have.
Nov 10th, 2003, 1:29 PM
Hehe sorry Vegas. I thought the ending was alright, you guys are too destructive...
Nov 12th, 2003, 1:44 AM
It's not a matter of destruction. It's all about being realistic.
After all the effort the machines have gone through to destroy Zion, they finally have it handed to them on a platter. And yet they stop. There is no reason for them to do so.
It was a crappy ending.
Nov 12th, 2003, 2:45 PM
To be realistic, the machine would have stayed outside and lobbed nukes in, but that wouldn't have been much fun would it? You can't complain a film about false reality is unrealistic...
Nov 13th, 2003, 1:59 AM
There was nothing to stop the machines. Once Neo and Smith died they just left. They could have just as easily destroyed Zion with very little resistance.
These are machines. They aren't just going to stop because they feel sorry for the humans.
That's why I didn't like the ending.
Nov 13th, 2003, 2:54 AM
Why can't machines feel pity? There's that Indian family at the start.
Nov 13th, 2003, 5:29 AM
Because they don't have emotions.
The indians were programs. It was part of their programming. I am talking about the sentinels and the core.
Anyway, the machines and humans have been fighting for many many years. A war like that does not just stop and no hard feelings.
Nov 13th, 2003, 2:14 PM
Who knows? I liked it so I don't care :p
What's your theory on how Neo accessed the computers when outside the matrix? I reckon the holes they plug into also offer a kind of wireless connection to the mainframe that only Neo found.
Nov 14th, 2003, 1:53 AM
It was to do with Neo been part of the core. He was connected with the machines. And hence connected with the matrix.
I saw a few film reviews of the movie. They said it was crap. I liked the movie. It was just the ending that pissed me off.
Nov 14th, 2003, 2:39 AM
I don't think it ever says Neo is more than an ordinary human who learns to reject the Matrix.
Nov 14th, 2003, 8:32 AM
It is something you have to sit down and really think about. Probably even see the movie again.
Nov 20th, 2003, 5:06 AM
I finally got to watch this the other night.
I got the impression that it was the computer entering Neo's body after Smith took HIS body over that actually saves the day, not Neo.
Did anyone else find this?
Then I thought maybe Neo crossed over into the computer - becoming part of the computer - and they defeated Smith together.
Therefore the computer could not re-launch the attack on Zion becuase it was no longer in complete charge of itself!!!!
Nov 20th, 2003, 6:15 AM
I'm pretty sure the computer kills Neo after Smith has taken him over. Killing him in the real world kills him in the matrix, as it explains in the first film.
You even get a cross of light on him as he dies to save mankind. And people laughed when I said the first one was about Jesus...
Nov 20th, 2003, 6:25 AM
Therefore it is the computer that saves itself. Neo was just the vessel the computer used to gain access to Smith.
Kinda makes 'The One' redundant - although by this point Neo is seemingly dead anyway.
I wonder what the outcome would have been if Smith hadn't have been a factor at the end? (I know that is a move ~lol~). Could Neo have been successful?
I was disppointed in the ending, btw.
Nov 20th, 2003, 4:06 PM
What was the point of stopping Smith anyway? They say in the movie that he'll spread or some crap, but how the hell is he suppose to spread and be a threat to the machines in the real world? Couldn't they have just formatted the Matrix or something thus killing Smith without Neo's help?
Nov 21st, 2003, 8:06 AM
in theory..... yes they could have.
Even though smith can enter the real world, he would be no threat to the machines.
Neo and Smith are exact opposites. When the opposites combined, they cancelled eachother out.
Nov 21st, 2003, 12:12 PM
Aaargh NO NO NO! I've heard so many people say that Smith and Neo cancel each other out. They don't. Smith takes over Neo in the Matrix; Smith becomes Neo. Then the machine kills Neo in the real world, killing Smith in the matrix. The machine doesn't take him over, it just kills him.
Smith can enter the machine world, he could take the train. He's a virus that infected the matrix, and could do the same to the computer programs in the real world.
In the Matrix, the machines can only delete programs through their agents. But Smith could defeat these, so he couldn't be stopped by the machines.
Nov 21st, 2003, 2:13 PM
i can't help but seeing the end to revolutions as meaning white/power, cleansing and purity by the light, and sun worship...
to me, going out of that movie with a picture of the sun in my face was the absolute WORST thing i could have wanted for the "conclusion".
Nov 21st, 2003, 4:09 PM
Again I ask, why couldn't they just format the Matrix and destroy Smith that way? Yeah it'd make the movie pointless without the big ending fight scene but I would of enjoyed it more. Imagine when Neo is talking to the machine thing and when it agrees it says something like "psyche" and tears Neo apart. Then we see a final showdown between the humans and machines and watch them fight to the death. Que dramatic music as we see the main humans characters fight but eventually die scene.
Maybe before that scene we can be shown one with Seraph and the french guy and his minions trying to battle the Smiths.
I'd rather of seen something like that for an ending then the ****ty one that we were shown :b
Btw Prez you need to take it easy man:cool2: Always trying to look for some kind of conspiracy connections in almost everything is going to eventually make you break down or something:rolleyes: Chill and enjoy life man:wink:
Nov 21st, 2003, 4:25 PM
i'm trying DarkAce..
Things i wanted to see from the MAtrix Revolutions..The people waking up from their PODS.-fLASHBACKS OF PAST OR FUTURE INCARNATIONS OF neo.
--it may have been too easy but i think after the credits, however it ended, it should have shown Neo at his computer waking up and it saying "follow the white rabbit." like he was having a dream/preminonition of what he was to do and the "real" battle had yet to even begin..
i also think that in Re-loaded when he was in the room with the archetect and he had to choose which way to go, he should have split into two Neo's and went both ways..Smith did it to thousands of himself, Neo couldn't manage 2?
i was just really dissapointed with the 3rd film..However the first one makes up for the endings.
Nov 21st, 2003, 5:07 PM
Darkace: Sure formatting the Matrix would kill Smith, but it would also kill all the humans, so the machines would have no power. So they'd all die. The only solution was to free the humans from Smith.
Nov 21st, 2003, 6:58 PM
either way...... there was nothing to prevent the machines from offing Zion.
They should have......
Nov 21st, 2003, 7:50 PM
ZION IS THE NAME of the key jewish city from the Bible and its name means "sun"--There were also the protocols of the wise elders of sion..It was one of the major books that got Hitler into the frenzy he was in..
hmmm..Hitler thought there was a race of "super-men" living within the earth..Is this the Matrix's Zion??
Nov 21st, 2003, 8:42 PM
Couldn't they have temporarily put all the humans on standby or something while they formatted:confused: Besides didn't they say something about freeing all the humans at the end? What are they going to use as batteries now, Duracell?:tongue:
I think if Neo dreamnt all this Prez, people would be even more pissed off about the ending then they are now:grin:
Nov 21st, 2003, 10:20 PM
I thought it was much better than Reloaded. Of course, I saw it on IMAX....
Nov 21st, 2003, 10:57 PM
Personally i think if he would have woke up where he was in the first movie and the knock would have come and FOLLOW THE WHITE RABBIT, that would be a lot better then the sun blaring in our faces and Neo and Trinity being dead with everyone still being trapped in their "pods"
just my opinion-but here are some facts..
SUPERMAN-created in the 6th month of 1938 (1+9+3+8=21,2+1=3) by two JEWISH men named Jerry seigal and Joe Shuster during the first pangs of WW2..sEE THE J&S in both of their names? As in Jesus & Satan.
Supes home planet was Krypton where his namE was Kal-el and his father was Jor-EL..EL IS THE sUMER-hEBREW NAME for God as in IS-RA-EL..ISIS-RA-EL..Krypton is the symbol for Atlantis as well as the ROYAL BURIAL CRYPT OF THE PHARAOH, and was fueled by a red sun..
According to the HISTORY OF THE D.C. UNIVERSE VOLUME #2, THE main god of Krypton WAS NAMED
RA-O. Why is the main god of Krypton an Egyptian sun god with O at the end of his name??
Comes to earth where he lands in smallville and is found by Jonathan and Martha Kent..J.K. & M.K. as in JESUS KNIGHT AND MESSIAH KNIGHT..Supes name becomes Clark Kent or Christ Knight..Superman is a christian crusader!
Gets powers above mortal men by the yellow sun..As in sun god RA.-Goes to work in Metropolis(Necropolis is the birth place of the pharaoh HORUS/OSIRIS.)..bOSS IS Perry WHITE who always says "Great Ceasers Ghost!" Ceaser is the royal bloodline of ROME.--See the 6 L trinity in Lois Lane, Lana Lang and Lex Luthor?? Jimmy Olson is to mean Jesus or Lucifers son.-Fortress of Solitude is in the antartica, another possible home of the fabled "lost Atlantis."--Superman was killed by Doomsday and returned to "life" 3 graphic novels later..
And don't start on Batman..He is the same charater as Superman from a parallel dimension..This is why they look exactly alike and filled in for each other on numerous occasions.-Batman is to represent the CAVES..DRACULA'S BLOODLINE!
nEED MORE EVIDENCE? D.C. COMICS ADDRESS FOR 25 YEARS WAS 666 5TH aVE, ny, ny 10103..Why would a kids comic publisher have a 666 address?? Not only this, but the D.C. comics logo contains 4 inverted pentagrams..The 2 main actors to play Superman was George Reeves (in the 30's&40's) and Christopher Reeves. George is the name of the Sumer-Babylonian king who was credited with defeating the DRAGON in the old days..
King George would later become the basis for the Norse god of Thunder in THOR..sEE THE christ IN cHRISTOPHER?? sEE THE EGYPTIAN SUN GOD RE in the name REEVES?-Or the EVe of Re.
Don't see where i'm coming from because this topic is the Matrix?? Well, Warner Bros, (or the white brotherhood) owns and made both the Superman and Matrix films..ANother Reeves, in Keanu Reeves, was set to play Superman in a new movie but instead opted for the Matrix..Keanus next movie is a D.C. character called HELLBLAZER.
tHE MATRIX was released in 1999 (999 is the Egyptian symbol for gods) by two jewish men in Larry and Andy Wachowski or the initials L.A.W.--The characters are Neo/Keanu Reeves, Trinity/Carrie Ann Moss and Morpheus/Laurence Fishburne.
The main gods in the SUMERIAN PANTHEON WERE THE GODS OF HEAVEN AND EARTH IN KI & AN..See the Ki and An IN kEANU Reeves?? See the An in Carrie Ann Moss?
Laurence Fishburne is to be the two fish of the symbol pisces..The zodiac sign of Chirst.-Also the fact that Keanu Reeves is in the Band DOGSTAR..The Egyptian star of Worship in the DOGSTAR of SIRIUS.
Neo also means Near Earth Orbit, as in the Near Earth Orbit of the ANUNNAKI PLANETX.
Some of the ships they use are the Osiris and the Nebuchadnezzar. Osiris was the Egyptian sun god pharaoh and Neb was the king known to have built the TOWER OF BABEL.
ZION is the name of a key jewish city in the bible and its name means sun.
THE MEROVINGIAN is the name of the Royal bloodline who started the nation of France..They believed that they were the direct decendents of JESUS CHRIST, who didn't die on the cross, and MARY magdelene..This is how FRANCE got started..They also gave us the statue of Liberty which is a symbol of Isis and the torch of knowledge.
The ArchEtect is to represent THE FREEMASON GOD JEBELUM:THE GRAND ARCHETECT OF THE UNIVERSE.
There is much more info i could provide to portray that
NOTHING IS AS IT SEEMS..THE MATRIX ITSELF IS PART OF THE MATRIX..There is a deeper symbolic message to some of our "entertaimnment" the we are understanding.
the word hollywood itself comes from Helle wood..The wood that the druids of Stonehenge used in making their magic wands to caste spells..The same as the cast of a hollywood movie.
so am i completely stupid or is there a possability of something else here?-i've got more info if it's needed..:rolleyes2
Nov 22nd, 2003, 12:04 AM
Prez, I envision you living in a little apartment with nothing but books and internet printouts scattered everywhere. Fast food wrappers and unwashed dishes littering your kitchen. No less than 5 locks on your front door, and a copy of "Catcher in the Rye" in your back pocket. :rollin:
Nov 22nd, 2003, 4:25 AM
wow, your psychic..little apartment, books, some unwashed dishes..Got a copy of Catcher in the Rye..Your a remote viewer..Get your astral ass outta my place dude!
Why cant someone just say, you know i agree with this and this but i dont see this and this??
i'm giving possible answers for nothing in return..i just want to share what i believe to be valid information..Hopefully it makes someone think a little maybe?-THat things could be much different then we are led to believe.
Nov 23rd, 2003, 12:20 AM
Lighten up GrassHopper. I followed the statement up with a joyful smiley. :rolleyes2
Nov 23rd, 2003, 12:44 AM
:rollin: :rollin: :lol: :eek2: :happy: :D :p :rollin:
Nov 24th, 2003, 3:51 AM
I don't know if anyone has pointed this out but I just noticed the similarity.
We all know the character, Seraph. Terribly similar to Seraphim, the highest level of angel.
Just thought I'd say that. :pimp:
Nov 24th, 2003, 11:24 AM
I assume Seraph is an "angel" whilst the agents are "devils", in the Biblical analogy. Neo, Morpheus, Smith and the Architect are obvious too.
Apr 6th, 2004, 2:39 PM
Im watching Matrix Revolutions right now. I really liked the philisophical stance of the first one. The second one was more gritty. Guess Ill see what happens in this one. One thing I will always enjoy is the fight scenes! Woohoo! :fencing:
Apr 6th, 2004, 3:10 PM
I am heading out to pick up a copy shortly. Hope to get to watch it before class tonight!
Go NEO! :shot:
Apr 6th, 2004, 4:07 PM
Well it was not what I expected, have the Kleenex ready. Im particularly prone to being emotional as of late and there was a part that was an almost identical moment that I had with my mom over the telephone before she died.
I liked it better than Reloaded but the first one will always be the best since I like mentally stimulating movies.
Apr 6th, 2004, 4:20 PM
Aargh! Why does everyone say that the Matrix sequels aren't "metally stimulating"?? In that respect they're at least the equal of the first. They're about the meaning of life, free will vs destiny and what it means to be human. And then there's the whole irony of having to build machines to fight machines, aren't machines always in control?
Seriously, someone tell me how those films aren't philosophical because every review I've read says they're not :dunno:
Apr 6th, 2004, 4:49 PM
I agree with you Mike.... I think the second one goes right over most peoples heads..... It seems to me that it was MORE intellectual than the first. I havent seen the third one yet but I liked the first two so much that im going to buy the DVD today.
Apr 6th, 2004, 5:32 PM
For thoes of you who havn't purchased the DVD yet Circut City has it for $15.99. The display there shows the original price of $22.99 but I mentioned I saw the ad on TV for $15.99 and that is what it rang up for. Was hoping to watch it but I have to leave for class in an hour and a half. Then there is 24 tonight.... Just a plethora of stuff to watch!
Apr 6th, 2004, 5:56 PM
Seriously, someone tell me how those films aren't philosophical because every review I've read says they're not :dunno:
They arent philisophical in the same sense as the first one. The first one set certain "elements" into place that were (for some) almost unseen afterwards which is typical of series movies. Directors will deviate because they dont want you to feel you are watching the same movie.
The ideas and philosophy of life and its alternatives, humans and machines were explained by Morpheus in the first. In the second, while you learned a little more of it (mostly during scenes with Neo), the story focused more on character plot and the infrastructure of Zion, and a pretty cool love scene.
The third one came back to it in the sense of the war for survival and Neo realizing what it is he must do, but it was part of the story to unfold to be realized and experienced, not to be explained.
I wasnt dissappointed thats for sure. The fight scenes were really fun to watch!
Apr 7th, 2004, 2:53 AM
I still think there's way more philosophy in the sequels. That I can think of, there's only two truly philosophical scenes in the first - when Cypher meets the agent and when Neo meets the oracle. In the second and third nearly every other scene has a philosophical discussion.
Apr 7th, 2004, 3:11 AM
Ok... That movie seriously ROCKED!!!!!
Apr 7th, 2004, 5:36 AM
Did everybody just miss the "illusion of freewill" theme in the sequels or what? Maybe because that guy had an accent his words werent sticking?
Apr 7th, 2004, 8:18 AM
Did everybody just miss the "illusion of freewill" theme in the sequels or what? Maybe because that guy had an accent his words werent sticking? Excellent point! Especially with the ending of the third since the machines still "exist".
The biggest dissapointment I had was that the machines were kicking the sh*t out of Zion and then just up and leave. How apocryphal.
All that ending told me was that they left the door open to film more sequals.
It still was a kick ass action flick even with the droll ending.
Apr 12th, 2004, 8:53 AM
I think the part that ruined the movies was the scene in the cave. Matrix didnt need that. :grin
Apr 13th, 2004, 3:57 PM
I think the part that ruined the movies was the scene in the cave. Matrix didnt need that. :grin Well someday you will grow up to understand and appreciate what that scene set up in reference to the third.
You plagarizing Mad magazine ruins anyone's possible positive image of you and isnt needed either.
Oct 8th, 2004, 2:57 PM
I dont understand why 95% of the people think the Matrix is "just special effects". Do they only pay attention to the special affects scene?!?!
Oct 8th, 2004, 2:58 PM
The thread cant be dead.
Oct 8th, 2004, 7:55 PM
Merged Threads. :smokin:
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