9/11 Conspiracy theorists down but not out

[loganosborne]

The release of new video pictures of the Pentagon being attacked on 9/11 will not quell the endless claims in the world of conspiracy theorists that a missile or military aircraft hit the building instead.

Read More http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4990686.stm

[stewey]

Although I do not believe the conspiracy theories at all, I gotta admit that the released footage is pretty blurry and really doesn't help or hurt either side at all. It is going to be blurry though, since security cameras are not designed to record things flying 500 MPH.

[CELL]

9/11 conspiracy theorists?
Last I checked...9/11 had a few more happenings than just the pentagon.

[MetalMilitia]

I for one have never believed the 'official' story, and all the lunatic websites that claim there were PODS or that nothing actually hit the pentagon don't do the actual research any justice. To me, it's more like those stories about missles + 'pods' are planted there... so that when FOX news comes out with stuff like the new footage they can automatically dismiss ANY website that questions the official story. Then call anyone who doesnt beleive the official story a "nutty" conspiracy theorist.

The key points for me have always been the advanced warnings for certain officials not to fly... the RECORD high trading (and put options) on AA's + United stock in the days before, and the structural failure of the WTC compex... more specifically WTC 7.

Not to metion the owner that took out the huge insurance policy... bomb sniffing dogs were removed from the buildings... and people inside the centers hearing 'secondary explosions' all over the place. The other major issue that has ALWAYS bothered me, is that ever since the firefighter voice recordings were released - you have on the tape a firefighter with 10+ years of experience talking about PUTTING the fire OUT. He was up past the 75th floor talking about how to put the fire out... if it was that big of a blaze (inferno) as people think, then why would an experienced firefighter be right up by it, forming a plan to simply put it out.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/september11/story/0,11209,769307,00.html

On February 12th, 2005, the Windsor Building in Madrid, a 32 story tower framed in steel reinforced concrete, burned for almost 24 hours, completely eradicating the upper ten stories of the building. That building didn't collapse... but on one day we have 3 US structures collapse.. apparently all from fire.

Ive doubted the official story from day 1, becuase most of it was proven wrong. I find it amazing they would know all '19' hijackers and have their identities that quick... then to find out that 4/19 were still alive? http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/1559151.stm - Thats from like 10 days after 9/11 and already there were holes. Sure the 911 commission cleared up some things, but the immediate story given to people was just plain wrong.

I mean come on.

As for the new footage itself, why not release the footage taken from the gas station or the office building complex across the street? They both had cameras aimed in that direction, had their tapes confiscated, and locked away. The sooner the government shows them, the sooner they could silence the "nutcases".

I could ramble for hours but it's nothing that hasnt already been said...

-MM- :crs:

[Dead Man Walking]

For years I have been deeply influenced by my Soul's Belief that the Horror perpetrated on that wild ride of a morning could not have been planned and carried out by anyone who might claim to be an American. Through my sporadic investigations, I have removed my Rose Colored Glasses, and seen a side that was beyond my sence of acceptance. Many questions arise with concerns so enormous that I cannot in good faith, continue to follow the path that has been defined by the explainations given us about what happened on 11 September 2001.

One of the most obvious actions that should have been taken, if the information about the cast of characters was correct, should have been to slam an Iron Curtain around our Boaders and begin an internal investigation of Illeagle Immigrants that had infiltrated our Country. Instead, our attentions were diverted to chasing what I feel at this time, was a ghost. The recent political fodder only places a bandaid on our boarders and is a feeble attempt to appease a populous rising concern about what has been going on for decades.

I realize that the obfuscation has been going on for a very long time for many reasons, some of which were very valid, at their points in time, yet beginning with the JFK Assassination, the chaos has escalated through our clouded eyes. There are those that have agendas beyond anything we could even imagine. The Lone Gunman theory in that world changing event is a toilet flush today, as they had a starry eyed public believing it in the '60's.....

The ride has just begun, so take hold of your boot straps as we continue to loose portions of our Freedoms and Global designers align there plans amongst a not-so-wary public that struggles to spend their time paying ever increasing bills, in order to simply survive.. If The United States falls to this first, the rest of the world is in short order...

[loganosborne]

On February 12th, 2005, the Windsor Building in Madrid, a 32 story tower framed in steel reinforced concrete, burned for almost 24 hours, completely eradicating the upper ten stories of the building. That building didn't collapse... but on one day we have 3 US structures collapse.. apparently all from fire.

Ive doubted the official story from day 1, becuase most of it was proven wrong. I find it amazing they would know all '19' hijackers and have their identities that quick... then to find out that 4/19 were still alive? http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/1559151.stm - Thats from like 10 days after 9/11 and already there were holes. Sure the 911 commission cleared up some things, but the immediate story given to people was just plain wrong.

I mean come on.

As for the new footage itself, why not release the footage taken from the gas station or the office building complex across the street? They both had cameras aimed in that direction, had their tapes confiscated, and locked away. The sooner the government shows them, the sooner they could silence the "nutcases".

I could ramble for hours but it's nothing that hasnt already been said...

-MM- :crs:

Ive never been 100% sure about 9/11 its those 3 points that make me think it was the american government.


For years I have been deeply influenced by my Soul's Belief that the Horror perpetrated on that wild ride of a morning could not have been planned and carried out by anyone who might claim to be an American.

I may not be American but thats I felt for a long time as I thought how could a country do that to its own hardworking people. But now im starting to doubt that

[Cartesiantheater]

Well, I'm researching a couple of actual peer reviewed scientific papers that claim that the towers must have collapsed from the impacts of the planes and the subsequent inferno and warping of the columns. The mathematics on them is not much more than advanced trig/ and a little calulus, so they aren't that difficult to understand. And I've purchased a couple of text books and cd roms to help me learn the math, so in a couple of months hopefully I will be able to tell if the math adds up. If it does, I will be able to confidently claim that the towers could have and would have collapsed only from the initial impacts and subsequent structural damage from the heat. However, this will not be conclusive proof that explosives were not used- as I've stated a million times, conspiracy theories are safe from being falsified (Like the existence of leprechauns or Nessi is safe from falsification). That's why scientists usually don't pay them any mind. But certain claims made by conspiracy theorists are falsifiable, and the one I'm trying to falsify is the claim that says that the buildings could not have possibly fallen without the aid of demolitions. The papers claim, using mathematics, that the buildings could have, indeed must have, fallen as observed in a near free-fall state from only the impact and subsequent structural damage. When I learn the math, I will be able to tell if the scientific papers' claims are bogus or true. Math can not be pulled out of your ass. If it is correct, then it is possible that the towers fell without explosives, and that will weaken (slightly) a particular version of the conspiracy theory. (I'm not trying to be special here- what I'm trying to do has already {allegedly} been done by the scientific community. Some people claim they are lying. I'm going to find out by learning it myself- that's all). I'll get back to this later.

[Skynet12]

Ok, a new jake 99!

[Cartesiantheater]

Ok, a new jake 99!
Who are you refereing to? If you're refereing to me, read my post again. All I intend to do is research the scientific papers scientifically for myself, instead of being a dumbass and getting all my information second hand from media organizations. It is not all that difficult; it just requires a little work. On another forum that I have found, one for physicists only, these sort of things are done on a daily basis. People who have some experience in math and science research claims like these and then argue using the hard sciences, instead of bullshit science, like on this forum. So I'm going to learn the math and then hopefully make a few people change their minds. That's all. All we do is go back and forth with opinions. But no intelligent person can legitimately question mathematics. 2+2=4 everywhere. Period. I grow weary of conspiracy theorists who fail to acknowledge the glaring weakness inherent in all conspiracy theories- that they can not be falsified. That's it. I can't see how that's Jake-like. But maybe you aren't refereing to me. If not, my apologies. If you are, read my post again.

[Demonskates]

i have a few ideas on this.i think anything like a plane going 500 MPH hits a building,its going to sway a bit,loosening joints and connections ect.
this is a poor example but if u take a brick and throw it at the top of a stop sign,on impact the sign bends in the direction of the projectile,then back into place.
i figure that that is one of the circumstances that contributed to the collapse of the towers.
if u take that same brick and throw it at the base of the sign,the sign vibrates but doesnt sway.the closer to the base the less sway.
with the wtc,it got hit very near the top on one and a little lower on the other,both impacts probably moved the buildings buy a matter of feet,which isnt abnormal,they are designed to sway with wind in mind and what not,they were not designed with a 500 mph impact in mind.so i beleive they swayed a few more feet than they were designed for,then swayed back into place.All the connections and joints were stressed and compromised because of it,and then add on top of it the gallons and gallons of burning jet fuel,softening the metal,and weakening already damaged connections and joints ect.they collapse. just my 2 cents.

[Justice]

i have a few ideas on this.i think anything like a plane going 500 MPH hits a building,its going to sway a bit,loosening joints and connections ect.
this is a poor example but if u take a brick and throw it at the top of a stop sign,on impact the sign bends in the direction of the projectile,then back into place.
i figure that that is one of the circumstances that contributed to the collapse of the towers.
if u take that same brick and throw it at the base of the sign,the sign vibrates but doesnt sway.the closer to the base the less sway.
with the wtc,it got hit very near the top on one and a little lower on the other,both impacts probably moved the buildings buy a matter of feet,which isnt abnormal,they are designed to sway with wind in mind and what not,they were not designed with a 500 mph impact in mind.so i beleive they swayed a few more feet than they were designed for,then swayed back into place.All the connections and joints were stressed and compromised because of it,and then add on top of it the gallons and gallons of burning jet fuel,softening the metal,and weakening already damaged connections and joints ect.they collapse. just my 2 cents.

I hit a bump in the road with the front wheel of my car and then later that day it rained and then the bearings holding the wheel on contracted in size and then later that day I was in a rush and used my breaks a lot so the break disk expanded and when someone ran out in front of me I hit them and all because the bump in the road I hit earlier, never hit one before in my life honest.

Stop stretching the facts to paint a picture or have you forgot the previous bomb that went of in the WT1 also weakened the towers and even with repairs it is not possible to repair all sections that had been stressed and yet this tower lasted longer then the other one.