Mental Illness and Our Children

[lazserus]

This is a bit of a complicated subject. Has anyone noticed the increase of medication and psychological disorders doctors are claiming for our children? I mean, it seems as if 90% of children in America (US alone from my studies) are ADD. They have to take medicine to regulate their attention span. Hell, some schools refuse to continue to admit students unless they take certain medication.

I'm not all that old, but sometimes I feel ancient. I'm nearly 30 years old and I've experienced a lot of shit in my life. Both good and bad. When I was a child I didn't pay attention. I was hyper a lot and even in grade school I was counseled for being too loud and too hyper. I was never treated for medication. I moved on and ended up graduating highschool with more credits than any other person in my class and with a decently high grade average. Nothing to brag about. I only brag about my credits. Anyhow, I didn't necessarily turn out great. I'm currently unemployed (mainly because of the profession I chose), and I still do have a shield. I don't push myself hard enough. So, in many people's eyes I could be considered a failure. Honestly, I can totally agree.

I was diagnosed with 3 different mental illnesses about a year and a half ago. When I saw my doctor I wasn't expecting that much of a diagnosis, but I got it. Since I saw her I've tried to blame everything I do and don't do on those illnesses. But lately I've been really racking my brain and I don't buy it. Not that I don't buy mental illness. One of my disorders was considered Bipolar II. I didn't know there were categories, but it basically means there's a chemical embalance in my brain that can cause extreme emotions on one level or the other. It's basically what laymen would call primal schizophrenia. Basically drastic mood swings. That embalance was coupled with other mental disorders diagnosed by my doctor.

So, all my rambling means what? Well, for starters I decided a while back to stop taking my medication, for an experiment. When I started my meds things seemed to get better. But, then I became dependant on them. Over time things weren't better but just more confusing. Then my doctor added another med on top and I took that. Was like taking aspirin. Did nothing. That's when I gave up. I spent a few months without my meds and I realized that...there was never a difference. I felt the same regardless, most of the time. Beyond that I analyzed things and realized what was causing certain symptoms and I'm working on them. I think I know my own personal medicine. My medicine isn't drugs, but...things I need to do in life.

So basically, my tangent boils back down to children. It seems every psychiatrist or school counselor is eager to give kids drugs that will cease to make them kids. Hell, every kid is ADD. No child pays attention in school. Did you? Or, do you? Because you don't, does that mean you need drugs?

This is a bit of conspiracy and philosophy. Philosophy first: Do any of you really think kids need drugs, considering the average of children in America taking them? Conspiracy second: Could this be a way to help influence the next generation of children to do things "appropriate" in accordance to certain powers?

[donniedarko]

I think the problem arises from the medias focus on AD(H)D. My mother is a developmental pediatrician who specifically deals with the disease and she says that is very often misdiagnosed by GP's who then jump on the drug bandwagon. This is encouraged by the parents. My kid is hyper at school, so write him/her a prescription. Usually, its simply a byproduct of not enough activity in the home. Many 'mis-diagnoses' are actually a result of higher energy levels at school, simply due to the lack of extra-curricular activity. Videogames, TV, computers. They are all culprits. I am not a luddite in anyway. But I do think that there needs to be a fundamental shift in the style of parenting that seems to pervade the states. There needs to be less paranoia and less emphasis on the lastest illness to explain away why your kid is doing badly in school.

My mom spent everyday with me in elementary doing my homework with me. Statistics show that this isn't the case in your average family. Maybe, this lack of parent involvement in education is resulting in the decrease in "intellegence"?

I am delving into conjecture at this point but maybe its the parents who are brainwashed. Plot by the major pharmaceuticals? :wink:

[Cornish Maid]

Here in the UK it is becoming increasingly recognised that food additives and junk food generaly are a significant factor in problems such as ADD.

One of our popular young TV chefs recently waged a big campaign to revolutionise the school meals and introduce a healthier alternative. He was absolutely appalled by the junk we were feeding our young.

Other studies have shown that chucking out the junk and eating healthily have resulted in better adjusted children.

Mental problems can be caused by other things of course, such as heredity factors or abuse.

[redmamma]

I'm a medical transcriptionist, which basically means that I'm the one who types up what happens when a patient goes in to see the doctor.

I have to agree that these docs are VERY quick to assign ADD meds, just because a parent says, "My kid is hyper and can't pay attention", or if a teacher writes a note to say "This kid can't pay attention." That's pretty much all it takes. No psychological evaluation, just an interview with the kid and a chat with the parents. You know how these GP's judge for themselves if the kid has ADD? During the interview, if the kid interrupts and can't sit still for the entirety of the interview, or can't keep eye contact for the whole time, he/she's diagnosed with ADD. I mean come on!

Now I am in no way saying that ADD does not exist. I truly believe that it does. I just feel that the number of children on ADD meds who REALLY and TRULY have ADD is fractional.

I too believe that what many perceive as ADD or ADHD is merely too much junk food. I have two kids. I see what happens to them if they get too much sugar. They're climbing the walls. It's not just sugar though. It's simple carbs, corn syrup, and (and I found this a little surprising) food coloring. I severely monitor these things with my kids and we certainly don't have an ADD problem (we chose not to have cable TV and they are only allowed educational games for the computer, and then we still limit the time spent with that). If anything, it's the opposite. My son's teacher can't tear him away from a task until it's completed.

I agree with the lack of activity too. It's a proven fact that too much TV and video games, with all those constantly changing scenes builds up kinetic energy within the body. That energy has to come out one way or another. Years ago, kids ran around outside and played ball or rode their bikes. Now, they sit in front of a TV or video game for hours, munching on sugar and artificially flavored and colored soft drinks. Is it any wonder these kids can't sit still? Seems like simple math to me.

In the ten years that I've been in this job, I've seen ONE kid that I would say TRULY has ADD. His mom rejected the medication route and is treating him with diet, activity, and making sure that he gets enough sleep. I can honestly say that he has made very good progress. He's still a bit annoying, but I can certainly see the difference.

[Perfectionist]

The reason for all this is bad parenting pure and simple !!

Spend more time with the kids teaching them about life and when they get out of line give them a good kick up the backside ..... like my parents did to me :D

Nowadays kids spend more time watching TV then learning from their parents ..... and they also know that they can do anything they like and get away with it ......

The result = Crazy Kids = Screwed up Society = End of the World !!

[Sammy56]

On the subject of ADD, I agree with you lazserus. Throughout my school career, I've had many friends who were diagnosed with ADD or ADHD. It seemed like, 90% of the time, they were kids who would rather run around on the playground then learn their multiplication tables. Maybe frustrating to the teachers, but definitely not a psychological disorder. I have only met 2 people who, in my opinion, needed the drugs that they were on. They couldn't concentrate on schoolwork, as opposed to the kids who just do not want to concentrate on schoolwork. There is a difference between the two.

However, there does seem to be some mental illnesses that are under diagnosed in children and teenagers. Depression, from my personal experiences, is one of them. Most of my friends would probably be considered depressed to varying degrees. I don't mean they all need to be put on drugs, but that some sort of help is required. Out of all of them, roughly 12, only 2 have been diagnosed.

It might be that the difference between the over diagnosing and the under diagnosing can be explained by what the actual diagnoses means for the child. ADD or ADHD is almost "normal" nowadays and parents can use it as an excuse for their child's poor performance in school, while depression and other disorders along the same line continue to carry a certain stigmatism attached to them.

[Cornish Maid]

I noticed this article in the news today. ADHD could be associated with premature birth.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/5042308.stm

[uki]

This is a bit of a complicated subject. Has anyone noticed the increase of medication and psychological disorders doctors are claiming for our children? I mean, it seems as if 90% of children in America (US alone from my studies) are ADD. They have to take medicine to regulate their attention span. Hell, some schools refuse to continue to admit students unless they take certain medication.

I'm not all that old, but sometimes I feel ancient. I'm nearly 30 years old and I've experienced a lot of shit in my life. Both good and bad. When I was a child I didn't pay attention. I was hyper a lot and even in grade school I was counseled for being too loud and too hyper. I was never treated for medication. I moved on and ended up graduating highschool with more credits than any other person in my class and with a decently high grade average. Nothing to brag about. I only brag about my credits. Anyhow, I didn't necessarily turn out great. I'm currently unemployed (mainly because of the profession I chose), and I still do have a shield. I don't push myself hard enough. So, in many people's eyes I could be considered a failure. Honestly, I can totally agree.

I was diagnosed with 3 different mental illnesses about a year and a half ago. When I saw my doctor I wasn't expecting that much of a diagnosis, but I got it. Since I saw her I've tried to blame everything I do and don't do on those illnesses. But lately I've been really racking my brain and I don't buy it. Not that I don't buy mental illness. One of my disorders was considered Bipolar II. I didn't know there were categories, but it basically means there's a chemical embalance in my brain that can cause extreme emotions on one level or the other. It's basically what laymen would call primal schizophrenia. Basically drastic mood swings. That embalance was coupled with other mental disorders diagnosed by my doctor.

So, all my rambling means what? Well, for starters I decided a while back to stop taking my medication, for an experiment. When I started my meds things seemed to get better. But, then I became dependant on them. Over time things weren't better but just more confusing. Then my doctor added another med on top and I took that. Was like taking aspirin. Did nothing. That's when I gave up. I spent a few months without my meds and I realized that...there was never a difference. I felt the same regardless, most of the time. Beyond that I analyzed things and realized what was causing certain symptoms and I'm working on them. I think I know my own personal medicine. My medicine isn't drugs, but...things I need to do in life.

So basically, my tangent boils back down to children. It seems every psychiatrist or school counselor is eager to give kids drugs that will cease to make them kids. Hell, every kid is ADD. No child pays attention in school. Did you? Or, do you? Because you don't, does that mean you need drugs?

This is a bit of conspiracy and philosophy. Philosophy first: Do any of you really think kids need drugs, considering the average of children in America taking them? Conspiracy second: Could this be a way to help influence the next generation of children to do things "appropriate" in accordance to certain powers?of course... because if you attack a family unit when it is young and begin to destroy adults while they are still children you can quell dissent at an unprecedented pace. mental illness has been instilled into our culture to the point that if one cries "sick" the majority will agree. if this were not the case just take a look at what is glorified on television for each of the following categories... adult, children, teen, and family.(and remember i have been without in home television since 1999... yet something tells me that the people of america behave exactly the same way as what has been programmed through the media.

[Skynet12]

The 1 biggest weapon~the media!

[Jupiter]

It is indeed true that prescriptions for anti-depressants and other psychiatric drugs are running sky high. There's millions on them. And I believe Ritalin (Methylphenidate Hydrochloride amphetamine) prescriptions remain high as well. With regard to Seroxat and even Prozac, there's been quite a lot of publicity of cases where the user has taken the drug and then become completely suicidal shortly afterwards. BBC One has for the past 3 years been using a James-bond like floodfill Red screen which I think may even have some depressing qualities, seriously. The colour red is known to agress in over-exposure, and Green is known to be calming (all ambulance people wear Green mainly for this reason). The news can be so depressing, and some people's life experiences so depressing, that I believe that actual events are causing the depressions, not just chemical imbalances as some psychiatrists might claim.

Edited to add... Skynet, re the biggest weapon the media - I do wish some newspapers and TV commentators would stop using the phrase "Knives are out", eg "Knives are out for Gordon Brown". It's ridiculous how the media rightly claims to want to stop knife culture, and then they go and print this ugly expression being used an an analogy meaning political revenge is sought on this or that person. However, sickos can see these headlines and take them as "messages." For example mid-May 2005 the Daily Mirror ran a headline "Spice Girls are AXED from Live 8" - but they printed the word "Axed" in RED (on the front page) and all the other words in black. Three days later, Anthony Walker was murdered with an axe, reason given "for being black".

[Wednesday]

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[me+three227]

I'm mixed about this...I am bipolar as well, depressed, anxiety, and have epilepsy so I am on alot of meds and without them I am really bad....So with that when I think about kids on meds it would depend on the case....add or adhd I don't believe they need meds just a new way to learn and a new understanding....I have seen a few kids come off add meds and their parents made changes in there life and it helped them so much...As far as the schools wanting the kids to be doped up instead of being a active child....I have a daughter that has the opposite problem she is not hyper active except for at home.... She is so quite that the teachers from her school love her and her dance teacher...she goes into this shell...it's good to an extent but she's not very vocal until she gets to know you...And it always bothered me that she does not like playing with kids her age she plays with older kids and adults....Teachers don't want a student that requires extra help and attention they want a kid that is quite and will tell you to go to the doc or the child can't continue in the class or school....It's a problem that will be ongoing until we either get laws about it or a special class in every school to help thesse children...but I do believe if the child has bigger medical problems then meds might be needed

[Jupiter]

I think that good sleep patterns are important for good mental well-being (I'm currently thinking about mental well-being for people of any age-group). Re; the kids and young adults; in my day (1988 = 12 years old) computers were just coming out, and none of the games had blood in them. I had at various stages an Atari ST, Electron, BBC B, Master 128 and Acorn Archimedes. I believe if a kid gets hooked on a game involving violence, there is a chance that that person utilizes that learned behaviour elsewhere in real life. It might be the case that there is an excess number of children with ADHD (ADD) because of the world that is presented to them and the way that they are interacting with their stimuli.

[mickydoolittle]

I'm mixed about this...I am bipolar as well, depressed, anxiety, and have epilepsy so I am on alot of meds and without them I am really bad...
click this link damnit (http://forums.armageddononline.org/showpost.php?p=103283&postcount=12)...it explains so much about the above post.

[Jupiter]

Regret I'm not on your wavelength mickydoolittle.

[mickydoolittle]

Regret I'm not on your wavelength mickydoolittle.
I'm not surprised.

[Assassin X]

Doctors/Psychologists think everyone must be labeled. At first years ago parents didn't care and thought mayeb their kids had problems but now they see its the doctors that have issues. Need I point out how EVERYONE seems to have ADD and is on Ritalin?

Your an energetic kid? Whoever heard of such a thing! I think you have ADD, heres some ritalin! :2fu:

Its like stupid psychologists think unless your happy you must have something wrong with you, you mean emotions? Yeah thats called being a human doc.

:reads sig and feels better:

[me+three227]

MDL......I'm so glad you actually had something good to say and a decent response to the question....You are truly a fu*ked up individual if you can't find a better life for yourself than what you have to say.... Are you intimidated by what people would say about you and your answers?.... You can keep on and will soon come to notice I nor anyone else will give you the saisfaction you are seeking.... You sound like you are on a mission to find someone that is equally as ignorant as you.... My guess is that you are some 13 year old immature kid with nothing better to do can't go out and play with your friends.... had a bad childhood so far... maybe spoiled.... which is it?....You should really pay attention to what you have to say to people on here not everyone will put up with your childish bs..... Why don't you go see someone for your mental problems you got going on and get some meds...you might like it.... You sound like you need some pshyco therapy and maybe some inpacient care... a li'l jacket and a padded room..... you would probably like all that since all you are on here for is attention.... now if you need anymore attention then what I've been able to give thus far go sit on your bed and hug your teddy bear and tell him all your problems and how much you hate your life and maybe you'll feel better...I hope they do ban your ass I'm tired of your shit..... :bye: :2fu:

[me+three227]

What a bad thing for me to put in ethics and morals...sorry people...can only take so much..

[Zyztem]

Is it a psychological issue? Is it mental illness? Is it a "brain wiring" / hormonal issue? Is it a nature/nuture issue?

http://www.browardpalmbeach.com/Issues/2006-05-18/news/feature_2.html

[PheonixRIsing]

The children will grow out of this disorder most of the time. I am ADHD, but I am pretty much over the problems that come with it.

[me+three227]

Zy...none of those....talking about a 5 year old knowing what sex is due to tv but MDL thinks a child should know about a sex act before they know what a ghost is...pretty sick if you ask me...I'd much rather have a child think they saw a ghost then knowing where to put what or how to do something they shouldn't....If I had a choice it would be neither but that's what MDL asked...

[DontBeAfraid]

There is no such thing as ghosts..... Maybe if you were advocating axplaining that there is no such thing as ghosts I could agree with you, but you are not. You are advocating IGNORANCE! Teach the kids to be stupid little homophobes and most will grow into stupid big homophobes. STI's are a problem only because of a lack of education.

edit: you can teach a five year old about sex simply by telling them that its something adults do and its something you will teach them more about when they are older. The kids that dont know the facts are the kids that dont know when an adult is being bad.

[me+three227]

There is no such thing as ghosts..... Maybe if you were advocating axplaining that there is no such thing as ghosts I could agree with you, but you are not. You are advocating IGNORANCE! Teach the kids to be stupid little homophobes and most will grow into stupid big homophobes. STI's are a problem only because of a lack of education.

edit: you can teach a five year old about sex simply by telling them that its something adults do and its something you will teach them more about when they are older. The kids that dont know the facts are the kids that dont know when an adult is being bad.


What the fu*k are you talking about...you obviously haven't read the other threads....Talk about ignorance you've shown a perfect example....She knows about sex and it's what adults do but does not know the act and how to do it...she thinks it is kissing and that's good enough for me....This came from where they don't allow swearing on american tv but allow sexual content and what does that teach our kids....I don't give a fu*k what you think I will not have my child thinking it is ok to go have sex whenever she wants....You should find out what's going on before you speak Don't be Afraid....So as for your idiotic reply maybe now you get the facts....Have a kid and tell them about sex acts at 5 that's what MDL wants....so thats what you were just agreeing with on this....So before you assume something know what the hell it is you are talking about... :2fu:

[DontBeAfraid]

I read the threads dipshit; and you are wrong.... You will never hear the word fuck on TV and a 1 second COVERED nipple slip caused a national uproar.... What you will see on TV is deplorable violence. MD advocated that YOU keep a closer eye on what your child watches and if you arent willing to do that then you shouldnt complain about your kid knowing more about REAL life than about ghosts. You brought up actual sex acts, as if they happen on cable TV, and MD told you that it makes more sense for a kid to learn about actual life at any age than to go on believing in ghosts....


don't give a fu*k what you think I will not have my child thinking it is ok to go have sex whenever she wants....Nobody implied anyhting of the sort... Be careful with the kneejerking, you might injure yourself.

[me+three227]

I read the threads dipshit; and you are wrong.... You will never hear the word fuck on TV and a 1 second COVERED nipple slip caused a national uproar.... What you will see on TV is deplorable violence. MD advocated that YOU keep a closer eye on what your child watches and if you arent willing to do that then you shouldnt complain about your kid knowing more about REAL life than about ghosts. You brought up actual sex acts, as if they happen on cable TV, and MD told you that it makes more sense for a kid to learn about actual life at any age than to go on believing in ghosts....

Nobody implied anyhting of the sort... Be careful with the kneejerking, you might injure yourself.

If you read the threads you would clearly see what MD and I were talking about.... I made a comparison to how american tv will show sex before they will allow any type of swearing...so obviously you don't know what we are talking about numb nuts....thats where it came from and Jupiter and I were talking about how a child will see sex on tv before you hear swearing.....so once a fu*king again lets go back over what it was you missed and decided to give your unwanted b*tch remark....By the way who*e she heard the word sex not saw it on tv....so I wasn't letting her watch something she shouldn't....she simply heard the word over tv...which if you listen it is broadcasted over the radio tv and every where else....you like I said you shouldn't talk about shit you don't know....I had already mentioned how she heard it in a previous thread so you are not reading your just talking about shit you don't know...oh wait that's right you are in MD's li'l fan club aren't ya....can't fight your own battles you gotta have him there too! :guill:

[mickydoolittle]

MDL......I'm so glad you actually had something good to say and a decent response to the question....
Your pathetic attempt at sarcasm is truly laughable. Keep trying…or don’t, as I couldn’t give a shit.


You are truly a fu*ked up individual if you can't find a better life for yourself than what you have to say...
Are you implying that my life is fucked up because I called you on your poor parenting practices or are you implying that I’m fucked up because I have the audacity to call you on your posted reams of bullshit?

Either way, don’t hold me accountable for your failures as a parent. I didn’t create the uncomfortable experiences for you and the child by sending to films or by not changing the channel of TV episodes that depict graphic adult situations.

So whose the fucked up one now…? Yeah, big ‘ol you! :bondage:


Are you intimidated by what people would say about you and your answers?....
hahahahaha….no really, hahahahahaha.


You can keep on and will soon come to notice I nor anyone else will give you the saisfaction you are seeking....
Yes…I’m sure I’ll be sent into my shell of a world with my ass handed to me by someone who is incapable of managing a FIVE year old CHILD. Yes, by all means: school this incorrigible member of AO.


You sound like you are on a mission to find someone that is equally as ignorant as you....
I sound? I wasn’t aware that AO added sound to my posts…technological wonders will never cease.

You’re correct in part: my search of cyberspace entails seeking out all idiots. Congratulations on being ‘outed’.

Hurrah.

Guffaw.


My guess is that you are some 13 year old immature kid with nothing better to do can't go out and play with your friends....
Whatever blows your skirt up.


had a bad childhood so far... maybe spoiled.... which is it?....
Yes…which is it indeed? Well...answer me. :alcoholic

You’ve established that you’re grasping at straws rather than finding a theme and maintaining your ability to exploit it. Such behavior reinforces the image you’ve presented of being unable to provide parental guidance to a child.


You should really pay attention to what you have to say to people on here not everyone will put up with your childish bs.....
You’re a master of the obvious.


Why don't you go see someone for your mental problems you got going on and get some meds...you might like it....
This is more beneficial.


You sound like you need some pshyco therapy and maybe some inpacient care... a li'l jacket and a padded room..... you would probably like all that since all you are on here for is attention.... now if you need anymore attention then what I've been able to give thus far go sit on your bed and hug your teddy bear and tell him all your problems and how much you hate your life and maybe you'll feel better...
They took the bear away…something about fornicating with hollow meaningless objects being against the rules of the facility.

It’s also why they took away the picture I drew of you.


I hope they do ban your ass I'm tired of your shit.....
Hope is such a fruitless endeavor…However, you’ve repeatedly displayed your devotion to futile efforts.


What the fu*k are you talking about...
No one is talking. I know, I know…the internet can be so confusing, but eventually with practice you MIGHT become proficient.


you obviously haven't read the other threads...
Well that’s the pot calling the kettle black, or as you prefer, the pot calling the kettle a “NIGGA”.


Talk about ignorance you've shown a perfect example....
Yes, the perfect example is: Click the link damnit! (http://www.armageddononline.org/forums/member.php?userid=3027). See, you’re catching on. Fun, isn’t it?


She knows about sex and it's what adults do but does not know the act and how to do it...she thinks it is kissing and that's good enough for me....
Great, so the neighborhood pedophile has a perfect opportunity to harm your child.

We applaud you for your terrific parenting abilities.


This came from where they don't allow swearing on american tv but allow sexual content and what does that teach our kids....
Yes…in your infinite parental wisdom, what does that teach kids today?


I don't give a fu*k what you think I will not have my child thinking it is ok to go have sex whenever she wants...
Sheesh, you’re worried about TV teaching your kids how to swear?

Well, in for a nickle…

No, you’re not teaching your daughter at all. That is the problem. You’d rather have the child believe in ghosts, instead of understanding that there are disgusting human beings in her world that are intent upon harming her at her young age. Moreover, she is more likely to discover “how to do it” all on her own. Statistically, your child is more likely to engage in risky sexual behavior due to a lack of forthright and honest open dialogue between her and her perceived parental authority concerning the facts of life.

Congratulations on adding to the teenage pregnancy stats ten years from now.

So, be honest with the board: How do feel about being a grandma in 10 years?


You should find out what's going on before you speak
Honey…that’s all you.


So as for your idiotic reply maybe now you get the facts....
Oh no, it’s YOU who fails to “get the facts”. This has been repeatedly shown by your posts.


Have a kid and tell them about sex acts at 5 that's what MDL wants....
No…not sex acts. However, knowledge is power. And why would you want your child to not be empowered by knowledge? What is your reason for intentionally depriving your child?


so thats what you were just agreeing with on this....
Yes, it’s called a rational and mature approach to raising children in a world so filled with ppl who prey upon naivety and outright stupidity. The latter may be referenced via your posts.


So before you assume something know what the hell it is you are talking about...
Apparently you’re not familiar with the difference between a KEYBOARD and a MICROPHONE. No one here is SPEAKING, ppl are typing. To be further honest, DBA is a much more credible source for parenting than you—as may be evidenced by your posts here at AO. Read the following twice if necessary: Parenting classes aren’t expensive, hell if you go to your local child protective services and TALK with them, after five minutes the social worker would in all likelihood provide you with financial assistance to enable you to develop your clearly lacking parental abilities.


By the way who*e she heard the word sex not saw it on tv....so I wasn't letting her watch something she shouldn't....she simply heard the word over tv...

Ok sybill….you wrote the following:
It is so messed up... When you have a 5 year old ask what sex is after watching a show on tv turns your stomach.... (http://www.armageddononline.org/forums/showpost.php?p=102915&postcount=40)

Do you know what reality is anymore or do you just make shit up as you go? I feel bad for that five year old child.

[DontBeAfraid]

oh wait that's right you are in MD's li'l fan club aren't ya....can't fight your own battles you gotta have him there too!This made me giggle.....

Me3 I read all the different threads of which this discussion is a part. I knew full well what the subject was and I know MY stance on it. You recieved sound advice from MD but in a manner you were not accustomed to. You will hear much more swearing on television than you will see sex. Just watch comedy centrals vault; they wont show tits but the will say asshole and fuck. During the day they cant swear or show sex.... But they can show graphic violence. Maybe your kid learned the word sex from a predator? Too bad you would rather she believe in ghosts than learn about reality or you might have a way to gauge the danger..... learning about sex from television? Not likely; unless you are being negligent.

[me+three227]

Mickey"s dick is little...I didn't read whatever it was you wrote and DBA...I did get to the part where you attacked my parenting skills again in another pathetic to try to piss me if...it simply doesn't work....I am over your repeated bullshit...you have said the same thing to me over and over because you have nothing real you can find on me...you sick little bastards both of you shut up about my child and sex...have enough respect for the child that you don't say things about a her getting the shit from a pedophile....it's sad DBA that you need this b*tch ass punk to say anything to me...thanks for including yourself in something you didn't know about once again.....keep guessing guys on who I am and what my life is...it is pretty fuc*in lame what you've came up with thus far....I would hope that someone that thinks they are that intelegent (MDL)could come up with better and more than that....What you say about my parenting skills I have more agreeing with me about how much she needs to know and not more that she needs to now...but I will not explain shit to you again you did't get it the first time you dumb fuc*s....There is nothing wrong with cussing DBA as you can tell I do it often so that I can get on your level so that yall might be able to understand me....Go get laid guys by your prostitutes that you speak so highly of....I bet that's your only way of getting some anyways...are yall that pent up and angry because of how ugly you are you can only get it when you pay for it.... Better yet why don't yall hook up DBA won't have to be in MDL's fan club anymore you hidious fu*ks would be great together.... From what I can tell you could get some without paying your mom to fu*k ya.....We all know she is the one that feels sorry for yall and will give it up......You still haven't given up have you Mickeys dick is little.....have you not figured out I will not back down you stup*d motherFuc*er.....And DBA if you go down MDL because we all know there is no dick down there ( he doesn't have any balls he has proved that quite well) he might give you a autograph since you seem like you want to hook up with him anyways.....I could go on and on with this...at least I change my shit up and don't have to focus on one thing to try to make you look like the dipshits you are..... You are both in need of some desperate attention and are doing everything to make sure you are noticed here aren't ya....go get a dog MDL it might help.....oh wait DBA can be your bi*ch!!.... :bondage: :52:

[me+three227]

MDL on tv it was family guy...never saw it before that night and they talked about sex....so what is you point...if you have one...they weren't haveing sex or doing anything like that so obviously she has been tought more than what she has heard on tv due to me telling her about good touch bad touch because of people like you we have to teack our children about that.....and no I will never tell a 5 year old how a sex act is performed...but my child is my business not your bi*ch have the damn respect for her to shut you mouth and deal with whatever issues your whinny punk ass thinks you have the right to adress with me I will always remain glad to tell you what you need to hear to piss you off a litlle more....you are to easy a target MDL and what is so sad is you willingly step up to the plate along with your b*tch DBA.....Once again I didn't read all you had to write it was probably the same old shit I read top part and the bottom ...I already knew what your lame ass was repeating for the 6th or so time....but I know you will have to read mine and will because something drives yours and DBA's ignorant selves to see what I've said and to follow me around afraid you might miss something happening I say... I know you both take what I have to say back to you in such high regard...the running behind me with your tails tucked in is what gives you away....

[DontBeAfraid]

Bill: I now pronounce you husband and husband. You may kiss the man.
MD: Remember DBA, Im the man!
DBA: YOU DA MAN!

[me+three227]

DBA...at least you know your place bi*ch....

[2Hybrids]

okay then people..... :eek:

back to the topic:

I too have noticed this trend of drugging the kids who appear to "act" like kids. They, like their parents, have learned to blame everything on some outside entity - but never themselves. For the majority, a proper diet, schedule, attention, and discipline is in order.

As some have already pointed out, there are children and adults out there who have a genuine diagnosis - without medication, they would be a danger to themselves and others.

So now ADHD is a "disease" with the majority of children being inflicted - as well as obesity and a few other things that make me wonder.

Heck, I didn't pay attention in school - it was boring. So what? I didn't have a disease...I just didn't care. The only medication I took was the special stuff I got from a friend in the alley. I'm not obese because my parents didn't take me to the all-you-can-eat buffet every night.

Another example of blaming instead of the practice of good parenting is the girl and her mother who have recently filed suit against myspace.com. This 14 year old girl went on a date with a young man who wasn't who he said he was and sexually assaulted her. So they want something like $30 or $80 mil from the parent company. What is wrong with that picture? And more importantly, what he hell is wrong with that girl's mother?

in the end, it's easier to give kids drugs than be a good parent.

[redmamma]

okay then people..... :eek:

back to the topic:

Thank you! SHEESH! What a tangent!


in the end, it's easier to give kids drugs than be a good parent.

Unfortuantely, this appears to be true. Either that or stick them in front of the TV for hours and hours and hours.

And now to weigh in on the tangential issue for just a bit...

Me+3: Excessive cursing is the sign of an unimaginative mind. I truly hope for your child's sake that you curtail it around her. I have no problem whatsoever with the occasional colorful metaphor for added emphasis, but it can be like salt...too much and it just ruins the whole meal.

MD: Wow! I haven't seen that much venom from you since Vox was here. You've still got it! :yeah:

[me+three227]

redmamma.....no I do not curse like that in front of my child....she does not join me on this site or read the posts so I would say I know when to curse and the common sense of not doing it in front of my child....as for what I have to say to MD or DBA...if you have a problem with how I like to deal with them and what I feel at the moment then please don't read the posts....I mean no disrespect to anyone on this site and it is not my intention to offend anyone that is why most the time I do not fully spell out the words and add stars instead.... I did not start this with MD or DBA I am simply responding to them and will not be made to look like something I am not....I started cursing at them due to them directly insulting me instead of having the respect of a simple reply....so therefor my cursing and whatever I type is in response....

[DontBeAfraid]

Wheres YOUR mother? You need a spanking.

[redmamma]

ANYWAY...back to topic.

I had completely forgotten this little bit of information, but came across it at work this morning. It would seem that lead poisoning can be mistaken for ADD, with similar symptom manifestations. Just something to keep in mind.

[2Hybrids]

ANYWAY...back to topic.

I had completely forgotten this little bit of information, but came across it at work this morning. It would seem that lead poisoning can be mistaken for ADD, with similar symptom manifestations. Just something to keep in mind.

That's a notable thought. Could it also be, besides the items I listed in my last post, that all the toxins in the atmosphere and our bodies are doing this?...

[mickydoolittle]

me3...look at your posts...your responses to my many accurate and forthright posts that show your lack of accountability to your child is further evidence to support my theory that you are the one to blame for the situation regarding the child inquiring about sex. I can prove the above written statement with your posted admission of allowing the child to view an adult themed animated series, The Family Guy. This series is not intended for children audiences.

If you're not a habitual liar, then why do you contradict yourself in each of your posts? Why would you lie about the age of the child? Why would you lie on the internet? To what end do you intend to serve?

Maybe... :drool: :crazy: :alcoholic ...?

[me+three227]

she is 4 1/2 so I say 5 big fucking deal...it is so important to you though....Never heard of Family Guy before that night and did not know the content was anything like that...so try to prove it again please because you are so very wrong and so very ignorant with your attempts of trying to be someone you are not....Just like I told DBA I bet you are one of those losers that has been made fun of and beat up on and now have some sick need to get revenge but are to much of a punk to step up to someone face to face...you are protected now huh?.....If I was going to lie about where she heard it maybe I would of gone with some type of movie that was on tv while she was coloring and playing when she heard it...but no I was straight up dumb ass about not knowing what family guy was about and we only had watched for a second to get the point.....so why is my child's knowledge about sex such a factor here?....You seem so obsessed with it and I will not respond to anymore of your posts concerning my child and what she knows and how she knows it....I don't care if you think everything is a lie...I know you need something to be wrong with me for you to be able to continue your sad life....Have you thought about seeing a pro about this.....tell me once you have found something really true about me and then maybe I'll say you are so pathetic for your continuous efforts and will accomplish nothing....

[mickydoolittle]

blah blah blah...you lie and you lie and you lie...why do you feel the need to lie about such matters on the internet? Why are you not spending time with your child? Absent parents...tsk tsk tsk Poor child. :bondage:

[DontBeAfraid]

but no I was straight up dumb ass about not knowing what family guy was lol I love punctuation.

[me+three227]

MD MY CHILD...is asleep or at dance camp when I am on here...but keep trying buddy....noticed I messed up about her age by putting a zero instead of 2 but yep I am a big fat lier and get off to lying....you got me..... good job.... you need to learn to read by the way...

[mickydoolittle]

MD MY CHILD...
I assure you I'm not your child.


noticed I messed up about her age by putting a zero instead of 2
Well, this is the first step towards taking ownership of your negligence.


I am a big fat lier and get off to lying....
See? It's good to come clean with the board isn't it?


you need to learn to read by the way...
HA! You need to learn how to spell:

I am a big fat lier
You probably meant liar.

[Raptor Witness]

You know your society is crumbling when you give drugs to the children to make them better than they are, as opposed to real treatment. Adderal is methamphetamine, the drug of choice by addicts, but the same exact drug recommended for treating ADHD and ADD.

These drugs are being given like candy to developmentally deficient children, with largely unknown long term consequences. Diagnosis of true ADHD is difficult, but the affect of the medication is dramatic enough to distinguish who should and who should not be on the stuff. The problem is that no one is monitoring the kids closely enough to tell which is which. Give kids speed, yeah they'll do better, most of them. The same is true for adults.

I repeat, you know your society is crumbling when you're giving speed like candy to the kids, but turning around and locking up addicts for taking the exact same drug, only in a different form. Why not just legalize the drugs, and put the doctors in charge of controlled abuse? Would it be any less barbaric? It would be whole lot cheaper than paying law enforcement to catch them, prosecution, then jail. This society is beyond broken, it's insane and above all, hopelessly hypocritical. The sooner God destroys it, the sooner the Kingdom of God can be put in place.

[Jupiter]

-md- You do spell well, and you do have a good command of the English language, and there's been the odd point here and there recently that I've really agreed with; other threads. But to yourself and others, re. me+Three's parenting, it's truly ridiculous that you can say she's a bad parent because she got concerned about TV output, and because she doesn't want to teach her child about sex at the age of 4.5. It is not as though me+three has seen the content of Family Guy, and then decided to allow the child to watch it week in week out. You simply will not be able to draw conclusions on someone's parenting skills just by the contents of a few internet posts - making attempts to discredit someone, with obviously huge attention to detail, has the risk of making that person depressed and creating aggravation and confrontation. Me+three, continue with your sound parenting.

[Cornish Maid]

You know your society is crumbling when you give drugs to the children to make them better than they are, as opposed to real treatment. Adderal is methamphetamine, the drug of choice by addicts, but the same exact drug recommended for treating ADHD and ADD.

These drugs are being given like candy to developmentally deficient children, with largely unknown long term consequences. Diagnosis of true ADHD is difficult, but the affect of the medication is dramatic enough to distinguish who should and who should not be on the stuff. The problem is that no one is monitoring the kids closely enough to tell which is which. Give kids speed, yeah they'll do better, most of them. The same is true for adults.

I repeat, you know your society is crumbling when you're giving speed like candy to the kids, but turning around and locking up addicts for taking the exact same drug, only in a different forum. Why not just legalize the drugs, and put the doctors in charge of controlled abuse? Would it be any less barbaric? It would be whole lot cheaper than paying law enforcement to catch them, prosecution, then jail. This society is beyond broken, it's insane and above all, hopelessly hypocritical. The sooner God destroys it, the sooner the Kingdom of God can be put in place.
Good point Rapture Witness

If anyone is interested there is some information on these drugs on the link

http://www.methylphenidate.net/

[steven]

Wow! I need a cold one.... I'll give my 2 cents worth. In Arizona, teachers do not have an aide(most schools) like when I was going to school, and they have more kids in the class. There was about 22 kids per class, now theres usually around 25-30 with no teacher aide. DRUG the kids, make it easier for the teacher. I did hear that OMEGA 3's are good for kids with ADD or ADHD. Something about how these kids tend to be low on DHA in there bodies, and the Omega 3 helps produce more of the DHA. If I got this wrong, someone please explain.

[Ningishiddza]

You have good cause to be alarmed and concerned.


This is a bit of a complicated subject. Has anyone noticed the increase of medication and psychological disorders doctors are claiming for our children? I mean, it seems as if 90% of children in America (US alone from my studies) are ADD. They have to take medicine to regulate their attention span. Hell, some schools refuse to continue to admit students unless they take certain medication.

There are 6 things that contribute to this phenomenon:

1) Formal education in the US begins at a much earlier age, around 3 years old. Many countries have day care, but only the US has pre-school/head start. Many of the pre-school/head start "teachers" are not properly trained and can establish behavior patterns in students at an early age.

2) Teachers do not receive sufficient training in classroom management and discipline at the university level or on the job. Ohio requires a single 2 semester hour course. Although everyone in the class was a secondary education major, the class was taught by a professor who had never taught high school and are instruction mostly consisted of watching videos of how to discipline 7 year olds, hardly appropriate for high school as many of us angrily pointed out.

3) Teachers are not properly trained to teach at the elementary school level. When I was a secondary education major, I had to spend 2 weeks observing at an elementary school and I was shocked that teachers would even attempt to sit behind a desk and deliver high school or college style lectures to elementary school students and expect them to listen and take notes. The teachers just don't know how/aren't taught to keep young children occupied with activities during class time.

4) Many schools have reduced or eliminated "recess" altogether. For the few schools that continue to have recess, it is organized, which means kids are standing around waiting their turn or waiting for instructions from the teacher. Gone are the days of just letting the kids go out and do their own thing on recess.

5) Interference by the federal government in violation of the 9th and 10th Amendments. Although public and private education and universities existed at the time the US Constitution was written, the architects of the US did not see fit to give the federal government control over education. That is a right uniquely left to the states. The federal government typically requires the tracking of an enourmous amount of mundane statistics in order for schools to receive federal funding (which they should not be receiving anyway) and among the statistics to be tracked are disciplinary actions by race and sex. Because this information is available under the Freedom of Information Act and published anyway, many schools would prefer to medicate rather than discipline in order to avoid hostile attacks by "minority groups."

6) It was recently revealed that some schools were set up with programs by pharmaceutical representatives. The schools are receiving money from pharmaceutical companies, and parents are steered toward purchasing drugs form specific companies at a slight discount.


Anyhow, I didn't necessarily turn out great.

And everyone else does? You need to get out more.


I don't push myself hard enough.

The first step in resolving any problem is the recognition that there is a problem. The second step is defining the problem. I think you're there.


So, in many people's eyes I could be considered a failure. Honestly, I can totally agree.

Who care's what other people think?


I was diagnosed with 3 different mental illnesses about a year and a half ago. When I saw my doctor I wasn't expecting that much of a diagnosis, but I got it. Since I saw her I've tried to blame everything I do and don't do on those illnesses. But lately I've been really racking my brain and I don't buy it. Not that I don't buy mental illness. One of my disorders was considered Bipolar II. I didn't know there were categories, but it basically means there's a chemical embalance in my brain that can cause extreme emotions on one level or the other. It's basically what laymen would call primal schizophrenia. Basically drastic mood swings. That embalance was coupled with other mental disorders diagnosed by my doctor.

If you aren't violent, you probably aren't bi-polar. Out of curiosity, what tests did you take? Was it the MMPI, Wexler, CAGE, anything? And you had blood and urine tests along with an MRI or PET Scan to rule out other causes, right?

How exactly did your doctor arrive at a diagnosis, by plugging crap into a commercial data base which printed out the results, or was it based on knowledge and experience?


So, all my rambling means what?

You cannot be schizophrenic if you can play on the internet. Schizophrenia interferes with cognitive skills, like, um, thought processes.


I think I know my own personal medicine. My medicine isn't drugs, but...things I need to do in life.

See? I told you, you where there.


So basically, my tangent boils back down to children. It seems every psychiatrist or school counselor is eager to give kids drugs that will cease to make them kids.

Uh, hold on a minute. Psychiatrists are not prescribing Ritalin and other drugs for "ADD." That's often done by pediatrician's and if yours balks at giving your child medication, the school will turn you onto one that will. It's sort of like worker's comp. Look long enough and you find a doctor to write your own ticket.


Conspiracy second: Could this be a way to help influence the next generation of children to do things "appropriate" in accordance to certain powers?

Definitely conspiracy. I had the occasion to read an annual report for a pharmacuetical company about 2 years ago (a friend works there and had it laying on the coffee table). The section on future trends started out by asking several questions along these lines:

"Did you know that x number of Americans take an average of x number of [pills] per day?"

"Did you know that x number of Americans have been prescribed medication at least once their life-times?"

"Did you know that x number of Americans have never used prescription medication?"

I had to read that and the paragraphs that followed several times because of the rather shocking implication. It would seem that the goal of pharmaceutical companies is to get every man, woman, and child taking at least one prescription medication everyday for their entire lives.

[Jake99]

This is exactly why I want to keep a parent in the home with school age children and why I would like to educate over the internet as much as possible. That way the parents can raise the children instead of the schools. I stand against homework because I would not do that to an adult much less a child. We need more supervised athletic fields and more parents that stay together if we are to stop drugging the children and sending them to councilors. What we need is a national if not global on line education system that is fun for the children and they can learn and play as directed by parents instead of being regulated by a school schedule.

I refused to do homework when I was 14 in 1969 and I refused to attend homeroom, lunch, phys ed and study halls and won my right to come and go for classes only. There was nothing the state of NY could do because I was legally correct in that I was only required to attend required classes. I packed my subjects into 5 straight classes showed up after homeroom and walked out two periods early and went to work every day for 5 years. And I refused to be taught about wars because I did not want that info introduced into my mind. I won that argument as well claiming it was in direct conflict with my religious beliefs. I did not just start complaining about schools yesterday I have been complaining for decades. I also complained about Capitalism because of how wasteful and inefficient the system is but I was talking to a wall of stupidity on that subject and just got called a Communist which in some ways I might be just as Jesus was.

[NeedleJunkie]

I don't believe in drugging children. Thank god my mother doesn't either, considering my elementary school wanted to put me on Ritalin. I'm not so sure it's a conspiracy, but I do believe that putting a six year old on an addictive drug to regulate their behavior is wrong, simply because at that point, they haven't really had a chance to develop their personality yet, and if they continue their drug regimen throughout their life, the drug will simply become part of them, and they won't know how to do it. And as far what was originally said about regulating YOURSELF, I think this is the best way possible to manage ANY mental disorder, unless it's extreme such as hearing voices (coming from someone else diagnosed as bipolar and still refuses to be drugged).If you know your behavior is unacceptable, change it. If you know your child's behavior is unacceptable, teach them differently.
MCL
Mandini

[Jupiter]

I don't believe in drugging children. Thank god my mother doesn't either, considering my elementary school wanted to put me on Ritalin. I'm not so sure it's a conspiracy, but I do believe that putting a six year old on an addictive drug to regulate their behavior is wrong, simply because at that point, they haven't really had a chance to develop their personality yet, and if they continue their drug regimen throughout their life, the drug will simply become part of them, and they won't know how to do it. And as far what was originally said about regulating YOURSELF, I think this is the best way possible to manage ANY mental disorder, unless it's extreme such as hearing voices (coming from someone else diagnosed as bipolar and still refuses to be drugged).If you know your behavior is unacceptable, change it. If you know your child's behavior is unacceptable, teach them differently.
MCL
Mandini

Re. the financial conspiracy - drugs around in the 80's and 90's (and still available, though not widely used) such as Haloperidol and Procyclidine Hydrochrolide could have provided effective treatment. With Haloperidol, the doses prescribed were obscenely high - almost as a universal policy across psychiatric hospitals up and down this country - most people given even just a dose of 5mgs (usually given to them on its own) would suffer side effects that kicked in about 10 minutes later - the most extreme (and common one) was that the jaw would lock, the mouth would open, and large amounts of saliva would dribble down the face uncontrollably. This was very painful for patients, and very embarassing. The solution was simple - a drug called Procyclidine Hydrocholide, but this was usually not prescribed until the side-effect symptons began - like some kind of sick experiment to see what happens when you don't treat people properly. The Procyclidine tablet would reduce levels of acetyl-choline in the brain which would prevent the muscle spasms, lockjaw - and would also give a lift to the patient's mood. Had these drugs been prescribed together immediately, at dosages of around 2.5mgs and 5mgs of Procyclidine respectfully, the results would have been far better, and the NHS would have saved millions of pounds (in time in-patients were in). These drugs cost (and still do) about 20p each, per pill (more if you buy them now in 2006 on the internet).

These days, the pharmaceutical companies decided to claim that the drugs could be bettered. Drugs such as Olanzapine, Risperidone, Quietapine and many others were introduced as anti-psychotics, and drugs such as Temazepam, Clonazepam and Haloperidol started to be used less and less. The drugs are allegedly better. Many of these modern pills though have ugly side-effects which can result in huge weight pain for some unfortunate people, and a dependency to take them for the rest of their lives in many cases. The new pills from the drugs companies to treat psychiatric disorders? They cost at least ten times more. The NHS pays a huge amount more (and presumably the US, other countries).. for the privilege of vast numbers of people get grossly overweight on them due to no particular fault of their own.

Methyl-phenidate Hydrocholide (Ritalin) continues to be prescribed to vast numbers of children. The chemical is truly a mild amphetamine, and illicit users are known to obtain large numbers of these pills, and crush them up pestle-and-mortar style, to create quasi-cocaine. Procyclidine Hydrocholide itself is primarily prescribed to those suffering from Parkinson's disease, since it (as does Ethoproprazine) is an anti-cholinergic which prevents Parkononism symptons - however it's side effect (due to the anti-cholinergic effect) is to usually have a virtually immediate anti-depressant effect which lasts for up to 7 hours.

The most important thing is that all things chemicals are artificial. If you can get by and be happy without support, then that's better. If you occasionally need a little lift, and you really know what your doing - using non-addictive tools, then fair enough. The trouble is very few people really know their stuff in these areas.

But NeedleJunkie's post was v.good I think - probably your diagnosis was either wrong, or your previous illness has now simply burnt out. There's no harm in keeping back a few pills in the bathroom cupboard (but rarely used) just in case you have an extremely bad day and you are not 100% happy with your own mental health on that day, but 24 hours later you can be back to tip-top mental clarity once again. (Note - Lithium should not be used in this manner, since cutting down / stepping up etc. self-monitoring has potential problems with this drug).

In my case, I once had a mental disorder - it was cured with cannabis (though cannabis can also create problems - trouble is most people now overdose on it due to the much higher strength these days). I personally rarely use cannabis these days - I can't get up on time the following day if I do!

The ideal situation is not to take chemicals at all. If you do, know your stuff, otherwise it's just messing with your brain!

[Raptor Witness]

I know a man, who was diagnosed in the early 90's with the adult form of ADD, and who took stimulants for years as a treatment. Despite seeing several physicians for symptoms of acute sleepiness and an inability to concentrate, they just kept feeding him stimulants. Come to find out, the man had severe sleep apnea and got on CPAP, which is one of these machines that breathes for you at night. His symptoms, likewise, disappeared over night. The undiagnosed underlying problem almost claimed his life.

The medical community is not asking the tough questions regarding the use of stimulants for treating ADD. They're causing incredible harm to patients by not checking carefully to see what might be the root cause of the inability to concentrate. Their general solution is, give the patient a pill, or more likely ... give the patient a pill the patient WANTS or has heard about, pocket a hefty fee, and send him or her on their way, never considering for a moment that what they're doing is malpractice.

It's evil what's happening, and even more evil for doctors not to take a little more time with their patients. We should be taking more doctors to task for speeding through diagnosis like they can't wait to make that thousand dollars an hour that they think they're worth.

[Stabby Joe]

Alot of people turn to free advice on to internet the avoid becoming "just another cheque" for the shrinks... there are pros to this but also BIG cons, which are obvious.

However, alot of the time, one would like being called mentally ill... because that way they can get some attention, most likely the attention they never got as a child...

[Raptor Witness]

Alot of people turn to free advice on to internet the avoid becoming "just another cheque" for the shrinks... there are pros to this but also BIG cons, which are obvious.

However, alot of the time, one would like being called mentally ill... because that way they can get some attention, most likely the attention they never got as a child...Excellent point, however when children are involved, they can't exactly defend themselves. Plus, I don't think ADHD or ADD are true mental illnesses. There is a lot of variation in personality and ability throughout the human family. Calling these variations "illnesses" are how physicians get insurance companies to pay for this or that.

Instead of giving our children more time, we drug them into submission. Of this generation it will be written, that while the doctors were drugging little children with methamphetamine(Adderal,) the pharmacists were pulling decongestants of the shelf to keep the adults from cooking it up.

This is how you know the False Prophet(electronic media) is among you.

[Jupiter]

It's certainly surprising isn't it, if more and more children are being diagnosed with ADHD. One's personality is one's personality, but it's not just shaped by the genes, the society that is presented to the person, and their upbringing must have a big part to play in the behavioural characteristics of the person as well.

Also, depression in my experience, for me, is (just about) always caused by life events - to be avoided, but I don't believe it's because at that time I was suffering from a "chemical deficiency".

[mysticalzoe]

Here is my take on it, my own son has diagnosed with a sepcific learning disability, whatever that means. He is actually in OT (occupational Therapy) at his school. We sort of guessed something was not really right but not really wrong with our child. Yes, he flaps his arms when he gets excited. He runs around the room, thinking about things in his head, and yes he was chewing on everything, well until we discovered gum, and that stopped that problem. Now I do notice a lot of you guys are quick to judge the parents, I have to agree with that, and the fact that if you mention hyperactivity to your child's peditrician, they will say he may have ADD. Now I never once mentioned ADD or hyperactivity to my son's doctor period, and they asked if it was possible he had ADD, and I said no. I do know one little boy who has ADD, and my son is nothing like him.

Currently we are taking him to a therapist, and he is running tests on him, and he came up with this, he has some signs, but not all of ADHD (sorry not ADD), he some signs but not all of Autism, and he has some signs but not all of them of Ashbergers, go figure? he is going to do more tests, and see hwta he can label him as. My husband and I are totally against drugs, unless my kids are sick, or have the flu or something. My husband thinks that ADD, or ADHD is totally made up, i tend to disgaree, because I do consider it a disorder, I also don't believe every child has the illness, or mental illness, or whatever you call it. As far as parenting goes, no my kids do not sit around watching tv all day, i do inetract with them, I teach them things, and we have a nice swingset in our backyard, and we are out there everyday, for at least 3-4 hours a day playing on the swing set, we are always doing something, besides to be honest, i hate TV, there is never anything on, and most of the shows on there are crap. If I do watch TV it's either discovery, History, or food network, and that's it. I hjave to say shame on the parents that want to drug their kids up, on addictive drugs, if they feel the need to get on medication when they are adults, then that's non of my business, but not while they are young, it sickens me.

By the way I do have two mental illness, Anxiety Disorder, and PTSD (post traumatic stress disorder) I'm not on medication, and I'm fine.

That's my take on it.

[Assassin X]

I was on so much Ritalin when I was younger because I was "hyper" aka "being a kid" that later in life at 16 I started having seizures. We found out a few years ago that Ritalin after years of it and if giver to much can give you seizures.

When we asked my doctor a few years ago about that he kinda played stupid and said "I never heard of that. I doubt Ritalin would do that.". When he walked out his Inter guy with him said to us that alot of people are having problems my age now from Ritalin taken as a child and the doctors and pharmaceutical companies are ignoring them acting like they don't know what they are talking about. He said if we got together the makers of Ritlain could be sued for millions upon millions for the damage its doing and just for seizures.

I love my life now. So much crap I couldn't list it. All stemming from it. Sorry for going off topic but I hate Ritalin.

[uki]

hmmm... eat some ritalin, become sedated, play some halo, counterstrike, and ghost recon... sign up for the military... perfect brainwashing technique. remember there is no end in site for the war on terror, better start training the cannon fodder while they are still young and dumb. :2fu:

[Jake99]

uki

Nice post #59 I could not have said it better myself. That is why I want to promote constructive things and educate in the home where parents can regulate and control the education process and the entertainment of the children. I believe mental illness is an environmental issue which creates a chemical imbalance. The best environment is a good home.

[Smoke]

hmmm... eat some ritalin, become sedated, play some halo, counterstrike, and ghost recon... sign up for the military... perfect brainwashing technique. remember there is no end in site for the war on terror, better start training the cannon fodder while they are still young and dumb. :2fu:


thats what happend to me... and thats what im doing.. are u fuckin psychic or something... i mean im not even kidding i took ritalin played all the games above and am joining the army.. but im not a game junkie working out is a big part of my life as is physical health.

[Skygirl]

was diagnosed with a multitude of learning disabilities. He's ADD, he has disgraphia, and dyslexia to name a few. He also has an IQ of 148 and a semi-photographic memory. Personally I think the ADD diagnosis on his part was do to a lack of stimulous in school. In elementary school he was reading college level physics books at home but when he got to school everything was symplified so he'd be off in his own world. I really believe that many children diagnosed with ADD are simply exceptionally bright. I refused to medicate him even though the schoools he attended pushed the issue. He was not taught coping mechanisms or learning techniques to deal with his disgraphia and dyslexia, he had to learn those at home. The educational systems idea of dealing with his disgraphia and dyslexia was additional time on tests and the option of taking tests orally. I find fault with this because in the real world an employer isn't about to give him additional time to perform tasks.

My younger son was recently diagnosed with schizophrenia. He seemed to be more symptomatic when treated with psychotropic drugs. After turning to a more traditional means of treatment he's improved more than I expected.

Personally I have a huge problem with the liberal manner in which prescription drugs are handed out. I have a potentially life threatening illness. After doing just minor research I discovered that the medications prescribed for my illness could lead to organ failure a lot quicker than not taking them. Again after moving toward a more traditional treatment my health has improved more than I expected.

[Jupiter]

Hi Skygirl, sorry to hear of the way modern medical science has treated you. First of all I did not talk until the age of 5, at that time it was considered that I might have fairly severe autism - however the sensible doctor back then decided he'd review it after 6 months, when I did start to develop vocabulary, and now - I certainly don't have autism.

Great to hear your younger son is recovering from supposed schizophrenia. Please remember that these illnesses can burn out altogether, the assertion that "mental illness is for life" (whilst true in some cases), overall is not true - such statements re-inforce the illness for the sufferer. Since your son is making marked improvements, I expect he will recover completely, however it may take a few years for 100% remission. It was also require the continuation of yours and his savvy attitude, I think.

Your other son sounds like a genius. Such abilities channelled could see him go far too. As you grow older, it can be useful to meta-analyze your own behaviour patterns on others; it can be a great move to develop one's ability to visualise how your own actions etc. are perceived by others, so as to develop one's own personality. It may be that some aspect to his character profile needs/needed to go through this process, but on the other hand - especially after reading the experiences of others on this elucidating thread - it may again, have been yet another error diagnosis!!

Well done with your own health, best of luck with that!

[Skygirl]

Hi Skygirl, sorry to hear of the way modern medical science has treated you. First of all I did not talk until the age of 5, at that time it was considered that I might have fairly severe autism - however the sensible doctor back then decided he'd review it after 6 months, when I did start to develop vocabulary, and now - I certainly don't have autism.


Children develop differently. There was a study done by Harvard in the early 90's that showed that children with delayed language development tended to be more creative/artistic than the average child and that they tended to process more before reacting.


Great to hear your younger son is recovering from supposed schizophrenia. Please remember that these illnesses can burn out altogether, the assertion that "mental illness is for life" (whilst true in some cases), overall is not true - such statements re-inforce the illness for the sufferer. Since your son is making marked improvements, I expect he will recover completely, however it may take a few years for 100% remission. It was also require the continuation of yours and his savvy attitude, I think.

I definitely believe that mental illness or at least the symptoms of such that lead to diagnosis can go into remission. Most times it requires an entire change in lifestyle though sometimes it takes as little as dietary changes or changes in enviroment. I'm hoping that someday he will be entirely symptom free but I would be happy to simply see him able to function in society as a stable contributing adult.


Your other son sounds like a genius. Such abilities channelled could see him go far too. As you grow older, it can be useful to meta-analyze your own behaviour patterns on others; it can be a great move to develop one's ability to visualise how your own actions etc. are perceived by others, so as to develop one's own personality. It may be that some aspect to his character profile needs/needed to go through this process, but on the other hand - especially after reading the experiences of others on this elucidating thread - it may again, have been yet another error diagnosis!!

His IQ indicates he is a genius though developmentally he is comparatively immature. Personally I don't see him as immature. He tends to live in his own little world, but thats okay, he's very happy living there :)


Well done with your own health, best of luck with that!

Thanks!

[Stabby Joe]

After reading a few more posts all I can say is the US medical care system is WAY TO F**KED UP! I don't want to offend anyone by that but seriously, I never hear of this stuff in other developed countries (yet).


I believe mental illness is an environmental issue which creates a chemical imbalance. The best environment is a good home.

Thank you! Its also the home which is a major factor in other crimes, social skills and what some children are allowed to be exposed to...