velvet noir
Mar 5th, 2006, 9:10 PM
Could someone please explain to me what exactly the mark of the beast is? I attempted to do some research, yet only recieved several different scripture readings.
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DontBeAfraid
Mar 5th, 2006, 9:11 PM
why is this in the technology section?
velvet noir
Mar 8th, 2006, 10:22 PM
Because I thought it had something to do with implanting a microchip into someone to purchase things, at least, that's what I assumed by the information I collected.
Godsgifttomankind
Mar 9th, 2006, 12:03 AM
Hello Velvet noir,
The mark of the beast is the opposite of the mark of God.
28:35 And it shall be upon Aaron to minister: and his sound shall be heard when he goeth in unto the holy place before the LORD, and when he cometh out, that he die not.
28:36 And thou shalt make a plate of pure gold, and grave upon it, like the engravings of a signet, HOLINESS TO THE LORD.
28:37 And thou shalt put it on a blue lace, that it may be upon the mitre; upon the forefront of the mitre it shall be.
28:38 And it shall be upon Aaron's forehead, that Aaron may bear the iniquity of the holy things, which the children of Israel shall hallow in all their holy gifts; and it shall be always upon his forehead, that they may be accepted before the LORD.
3:8 Behold, I have made thy face strong against their faces, and thy forehead strong against their foreheads.
3:9 As an adamant harder than flint have I made thy forehead: fear them not, neither be dismayed at their looks, though they be a rebellious house.
9:3 And the glory of the God of Israel was gone up from the cherub, whereupon he was, to the threshold of the house. And he called to the man clothed with linen, which had the writer's inkhorn by his side; 9:4 And the LORD said unto him, Go through the midst of the city, through the midst of Jerusalem, and set a mark upon the foreheads of the men that sigh and that cry for all the abominations that be done in the midst thereof
(King James Bible, Ezekiel)
16:12 And I put a jewel on thy forehead, and earrings in thine ears, and a beautiful crown upon thine head.
7:2 And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea, 7:3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.
(King James Bible, Revelation)
14:1 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.
(King James Bible, Revelation)
(King James Bible, Ezekiel)
3:3 Therefore the showers have been withholden, and there hath been no latter rain; and thou hadst a whore's forehead, thou refusedst to be ashamed.
(King James Bible, Jeremiah)
3:13 Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before, 3:14 I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.
3:15 Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you.
3:16 Nevertheless, whereto we have already attained, let us walk by the same rule, let us mind the same thing.
3:17 Brethren, be followers together of me, and mark them which walk so as ye have us for an ensample.
2:21 Yet I had planted thee a noble vine, wholly a right seed: how then art thou turned into the degenerate plant of a strange vine unto me? 2:22 For though thou wash thee with nitre, and take thee much soap, yet thine iniquity is marked before me, saith the Lord GOD.
(King James Bible, Jeremiah)
14:9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, 14:10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: 14:11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
(King James Bible, Revelation)
20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
(King James Bible, Revelation)
The mark of God is not a stamp that is put upon men but a conditioning of the heart, you can recognize a true servant of God by who they are and how they treat you, a servant of God is a servant of men.
The mark of the beast could be likened to fanaticism, carrying forth the name of God but ungodly by nature.
The mark of the beast is the opposite of the mark of God.
28:35 And it shall be upon Aaron to minister: and his sound shall be heard when he goeth in unto the holy place before the LORD, and when he cometh out, that he die not.
28:36 And thou shalt make a plate of pure gold, and grave upon it, like the engravings of a signet, HOLINESS TO THE LORD.
28:37 And thou shalt put it on a blue lace, that it may be upon the mitre; upon the forefront of the mitre it shall be.
28:38 And it shall be upon Aaron's forehead, that Aaron may bear the iniquity of the holy things, which the children of Israel shall hallow in all their holy gifts; and it shall be always upon his forehead, that they may be accepted before the LORD.
3:8 Behold, I have made thy face strong against their faces, and thy forehead strong against their foreheads.
3:9 As an adamant harder than flint have I made thy forehead: fear them not, neither be dismayed at their looks, though they be a rebellious house.
9:3 And the glory of the God of Israel was gone up from the cherub, whereupon he was, to the threshold of the house. And he called to the man clothed with linen, which had the writer's inkhorn by his side; 9:4 And the LORD said unto him, Go through the midst of the city, through the midst of Jerusalem, and set a mark upon the foreheads of the men that sigh and that cry for all the abominations that be done in the midst thereof
(King James Bible, Ezekiel)
16:12 And I put a jewel on thy forehead, and earrings in thine ears, and a beautiful crown upon thine head.
7:2 And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea, 7:3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.
(King James Bible, Revelation)
14:1 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.
(King James Bible, Revelation)
(King James Bible, Ezekiel)
3:3 Therefore the showers have been withholden, and there hath been no latter rain; and thou hadst a whore's forehead, thou refusedst to be ashamed.
(King James Bible, Jeremiah)
3:13 Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before, 3:14 I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.
3:15 Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you.
3:16 Nevertheless, whereto we have already attained, let us walk by the same rule, let us mind the same thing.
3:17 Brethren, be followers together of me, and mark them which walk so as ye have us for an ensample.
2:21 Yet I had planted thee a noble vine, wholly a right seed: how then art thou turned into the degenerate plant of a strange vine unto me? 2:22 For though thou wash thee with nitre, and take thee much soap, yet thine iniquity is marked before me, saith the Lord GOD.
(King James Bible, Jeremiah)
14:9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, 14:10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: 14:11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
(King James Bible, Revelation)
20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
(King James Bible, Revelation)
The mark of God is not a stamp that is put upon men but a conditioning of the heart, you can recognize a true servant of God by who they are and how they treat you, a servant of God is a servant of men.
The mark of the beast could be likened to fanaticism, carrying forth the name of God but ungodly by nature.
Kiehlroy
Mar 9th, 2006, 12:04 AM
The mark of the beast is whatever new-fangled technology the fundagelicals don't understand.
It also happens to be different depending on which version/translation/passage of the bible and which translator/reader you ask.
BTW what is a mitre?
It also happens to be different depending on which version/translation/passage of the bible and which translator/reader you ask.
BTW what is a mitre?
Demonskates
Jun 7th, 2006, 4:19 PM
why is this in the technology section?
actually it could belong here.the mark of the beast means that you are with the anti christ,and if u do not have the mark,you wont be able to buy or sell anything.
some people beleive that the mark will be a microchip with all your info on it,allowing you to buy sell or trade.either implanted in the forehead or hand.
if u do not have the mark or microchip,you cant rent a appartment,run a vehicle,buy food,see a doctor ect.it will be a bad place to be in.and in the end,more than likely you will end up persecuted tortured and killed. :bondage:
actually it could belong here.the mark of the beast means that you are with the anti christ,and if u do not have the mark,you wont be able to buy or sell anything.
some people beleive that the mark will be a microchip with all your info on it,allowing you to buy sell or trade.either implanted in the forehead or hand.
if u do not have the mark or microchip,you cant rent a appartment,run a vehicle,buy food,see a doctor ect.it will be a bad place to be in.and in the end,more than likely you will end up persecuted tortured and killed. :bondage:
James
Jun 14th, 2006, 11:20 AM
What do you think the mark of the beast will be? Perhaps a micro-chip? Or maybe it's not physical, but only symbolic. For that matter, what is the Seal of God?
I am leaning toward the idea that the mark is symbolic. Symbolic for how you think {forhead/mind} and what works you do {right hand/works}.
It's possible that the Seal of God is the same thing. Probably just being sealed with the Holy Spirit.
I am leaning toward the idea that the mark is symbolic. Symbolic for how you think {forhead/mind} and what works you do {right hand/works}.
It's possible that the Seal of God is the same thing. Probably just being sealed with the Holy Spirit.
Demonskates
Jun 14th, 2006, 12:56 PM
thats a new and interesting view i havent heard before,a symbolic mark.
could be.
I know alot of people think the mark of the beast is physical,a brand or tattoo,or some think a microchip,imbedded in your hand or fore head with all of your information on it,without which you would not be able to buy, sell ,or trade,see a doctor,run a car,buy food ect.
there are a few other threads on this topic on AO.
as far as the seal,it is decribed in the bible as physical,but could be symbolic,basically it marks you and sets you appart from the the ungodly.
could be.
I know alot of people think the mark of the beast is physical,a brand or tattoo,or some think a microchip,imbedded in your hand or fore head with all of your information on it,without which you would not be able to buy, sell ,or trade,see a doctor,run a car,buy food ect.
there are a few other threads on this topic on AO.
as far as the seal,it is decribed in the bible as physical,but could be symbolic,basically it marks you and sets you appart from the the ungodly.
James
Jun 15th, 2006, 1:29 AM
thats a new and interesting view i havent heard before,a symbolic mark.
could be.
I know alot of people think the mark of the beast is physical,a brand or tattoo,or some think a microchip,imbedded in your hand or fore head with all of your information on it,without which you would not be able to buy, sell ,or trade,see a doctor,run a car,buy food ect.
there are a few other threads on this topic on AO.
as far as the seal,it is decribed in the bible as physical,but could be symbolic,basically it marks you and sets you appart from the the ungodly.
Yeah. Even if the Seal of God and the mark of the beast are physical, I believe it is an outward sign for what has happen inward.
could be.
I know alot of people think the mark of the beast is physical,a brand or tattoo,or some think a microchip,imbedded in your hand or fore head with all of your information on it,without which you would not be able to buy, sell ,or trade,see a doctor,run a car,buy food ect.
there are a few other threads on this topic on AO.
as far as the seal,it is decribed in the bible as physical,but could be symbolic,basically it marks you and sets you appart from the the ungodly.
Yeah. Even if the Seal of God and the mark of the beast are physical, I believe it is an outward sign for what has happen inward.
Demonskates
Jun 15th, 2006, 7:38 AM
that is a greatt idea, by mans thoughts and actions thus forehead and hand,thats a good angle.
PheonixRIsing
Jun 15th, 2006, 10:22 AM
I wouldnt want anyone to stick a chip in my brain or hand. It just reeks of control, not freedom.
Demonskates
Jun 15th, 2006, 12:05 PM
I wouldnt want anyone to stick a chip in my brain or hand. It just reeks of control, not freedom.
AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
James
Jun 16th, 2006, 12:19 AM
The only this is, some people say there will not be a literal mark whatsoever, and it will only be symbolic. If that is the case, how will people know if you have the mark or not, and how will that affect our being able to buy or sell?
PheonixRIsing
Jun 16th, 2006, 8:48 AM
All I know is the Anti-Christ will wage war against the saints (Post-rapture Christians, and Jews), and we will be hated amongst the nations, and brought up to be killed for My (God) Name's sake. He will use some factor to consolidate his control over the people.
Skynet12
Jun 16th, 2006, 12:17 PM
What do you think the mark of the beast will be? Perhaps a micro-chip? Or maybe it's not physical, but only symbolic. For that matter, what is the Seal of God?
I am leaning toward the idea that the mark is symbolic. Symbolic for how you think {forhead/mind} and what works you do {right hand/works}.
It's possible that the Seal of God is the same thing. Probably just being sealed with the Holy Spirit.The wholey bloody cross!
I am leaning toward the idea that the mark is symbolic. Symbolic for how you think {forhead/mind} and what works you do {right hand/works}.
It's possible that the Seal of God is the same thing. Probably just being sealed with the Holy Spirit.The wholey bloody cross!
loganosborne
Jun 16th, 2006, 12:24 PM
i thought the mark of the beast was meant to be the number 666. I remember watching a programme called the Antichrist where it said everyone had to have the number 666 on there arm.
Skynet12
Jun 16th, 2006, 12:26 PM
Dont u mean 616?
loganosborne
Jun 16th, 2006, 12:29 PM
Dont u mean 616?
Nope in this programme they said 666. To be honest it still debated if the devil's number is 666 or 616
Nope in this programme they said 666. To be honest it still debated if the devil's number is 666 or 616
Skynet12
Jun 16th, 2006, 12:55 PM
oh............
Jupiter
Jun 16th, 2006, 7:14 PM
Perhaps a micro-chip?
Anyone who saw "Doctor Who" on UK TV BBC 1 about 5 weeks ago, will recall the implants which were connected to everyone's ears. At a certain exact time every day, everybody would be frozen in their tracks, and given the latest 'download' through their earpiece. As soon as the download finished, they sprung back to life again. Unfortunately all the earpieces were connected to CyberControl - and the grand plan was to turn everyone into CyberMen (emotionless robot bastards). Thankfully, Rose's boyfriend saved the day, and CyberControl was defeated, and humanity was restored back to humanity!!
Anyone who saw "Doctor Who" on UK TV BBC 1 about 5 weeks ago, will recall the implants which were connected to everyone's ears. At a certain exact time every day, everybody would be frozen in their tracks, and given the latest 'download' through their earpiece. As soon as the download finished, they sprung back to life again. Unfortunately all the earpieces were connected to CyberControl - and the grand plan was to turn everyone into CyberMen (emotionless robot bastards). Thankfully, Rose's boyfriend saved the day, and CyberControl was defeated, and humanity was restored back to humanity!!
James
Jun 16th, 2006, 11:44 PM
I saw the movie "Six:The Mark Unleashed". In that movie, the mark was a microchip implant and information was downloaded into the implant for the missions of the worshippers of "The Leader". Anyway, I don't think it will be a literal 666 mark. The meaning of that number is known quite well as being an evil number and no person would willingly have a 666 mark tattooed on them as a sign of loyalty to anyone. The number seven is God's number for perfection and completion. The number six is right under the number seven. It is close to seven, but not quite. The number of man {six} is under the number of God {seven}. The number 666 indicates a continuing attempt to be like God, and, infact, be God Himself, but falling short. So, the mark will be man, trying to become like God. Perhaps it means the Anti-Christ trying to become like God. However, we KNOW that will never happen. It's possible they will issue a type of implant, mark, or sign to prove that a person is a worshipper of the Beast...
Skynet12
Jun 17th, 2006, 7:20 AM
Anyone who saw "Doctor Who" on UK TV BBC 1 about 5 weeks ago, will recall the implants which were connected to everyone's ears. At a certain exact time every day, everybody would be frozen in their tracks, and given the latest 'download' through their earpiece. As soon as the download finished, they sprung back to life again. Unfortunately all the earpieces were connected to CyberControl - and the grand plan was to turn everyone into CyberMen (emotionless robot bastards). Thankfully, Rose's boyfriend saved the day, and CyberControl was defeated, and humanity was restored back to humanity!!
Classic episode!
Classic episode!
Demonskates
Jun 17th, 2006, 3:02 PM
666 is already in alot of the things you buy,in the bar code,acording to a few people.the longest line being a 6,one at the beginning of the code one in the middle and one on the end of the code.im not sure its true but it would be interesting if it is.I do know that the long lines are set up that way,three of them one at the beggining,middle and end.,weather it represents six in bar code is another question. there is plenty of debate as to weather the number is 666 or 616,if you read the scroll that was found it is in greek and in greek it reads 616.
loganosborne
Jun 17th, 2006, 3:08 PM
666 is already in alot of the things you buy,in the bar code,acording to a few people.
Wasnt that one of the reasons why they said Bush was the antichrist because he wanted to put 666 in credit cards or something like that. Im proberly wrong though.
Wasnt that one of the reasons why they said Bush was the antichrist because he wanted to put 666 in credit cards or something like that. Im proberly wrong though.
Demonskates
Jun 17th, 2006, 4:28 PM
this if true has existed before the bush administration.
Jake99
Jun 18th, 2006, 3:41 PM
Every logo and advertisement is a Mark of the beast. Implants will be how corruption, inefficiency and waste is eliminated. Credit cards and money need to be automated. The governments already have all the information on everyone and life needs to be simplified.
loganosborne
Jun 19th, 2006, 3:32 PM
Every logo and advertisement is a Mark of the beast. Implants will be how corruption, inefficiency and waste is eliminated. Credit cards and money need to be automated. The governments already have all the information on everyone and life needs to be simplified.
Thats a possibility but how many people do you think will have an implant without protest. I know I would protest.
Thats a possibility but how many people do you think will have an implant without protest. I know I would protest.
PheonixRIsing
Jun 19th, 2006, 3:50 PM
B. Gates says that the brain chip is the way of the future. I will never get a chip in my head, you would have to tie me up and shoot me up with tranquilizer before you could even get near my forehead or hand
loganosborne
Jun 19th, 2006, 3:53 PM
PR youre a perfect example of why I dont think implants will work there would be too many people protesting it. To be honest I would be one of them.
PheonixRIsing
Jun 19th, 2006, 3:58 PM
We will have to see, if it gets to the point that we are required to have these to even do the most simplest economic tasks, then I will move to the third world. At least there I can help people without needing a chip.
loganosborne
Jun 19th, 2006, 4:08 PM
If it was forced and you had to have a chip it would be interesting see how much suicide rates rise I think you would get quite a high rise.
PheonixRIsing
Jun 19th, 2006, 4:13 PM
Wow, I didn't even think about that factor, yep there would definitely be a huge economic depression.
me+three227
Jun 20th, 2006, 1:21 AM
I thought they were going to start using micro chip implants on us....it keeps all of our info on who we are and background...I read where it is suppose to happen and if you refuse to get one you will face penalties of some sort...it also ties into the end times and if you get one you are going against gods word... :52:
loganosborne
Jun 20th, 2006, 1:27 AM
Thats why I think these chips are bad idea if its going against gods word then you would have loads of protests.
me+three227
Jun 20th, 2006, 1:33 AM
Logos....Do you think they will still do them?
Demonskates
Jun 20th, 2006, 1:45 AM
wisconsin i beleive passed a law banning radio frequency chips being put in people,i hope evry state follows suit. :2thumbs:
me+three227
Jun 20th, 2006, 1:53 AM
I do too!...It will be so messed up if we are required to get them....I hope they will give us the choice...
Demonskates
Jun 20th, 2006, 2:26 AM
if we are ever required,once im out of the hospital,im ripping mine out. :thumbs:
me+three227
Jun 20th, 2006, 2:36 AM
I don't think I could let them chip me!...I would feel like a machine or cattle...
DontBeAfraid
Jun 20th, 2006, 4:48 AM
Would you get a chip put in your baby? Too help keep track of it? How about a pet? The chip is not the mark people.... six hundred and sixty six is the mark, according to your fairy tale.
Skynet12
Jun 20th, 2006, 7:39 AM
if we are ever required,once im out of the hospital,im ripping mine out. :thumbs:
thin ill join u there!
thin ill join u there!
James
Jun 20th, 2006, 2:23 PM
Would you get a chip put in your baby? Too help keep track of it? How about a pet? The chip is not the mark people.... six hundred and sixty six is the mark, according to your fairy tale.
How would you know? The Word of God says the person who has wisdon will know what this mark of the beast is. You obviously don't have the kind of wisdom that is required if you don't believe in God's Word. The mark of the beast will not be a literal tattoo of a 666 mark. If it were, we would not need wisdom to determine what this mark will be. Today, those who belong to Christ are sealed by the Holy Ghost. Those who do not belong to Christ, who do not care, have the spiritual mark of the beast. During this time of Tribulation, there may be a physical mark to prove that you have the spiritual mark, which means you have rejected the Holy Trinity, Christ's Church, and all that is Truth, and are a worshipper of the Opponent of Christ; the Antichrist. The Seal of God will probably be the Seal of the Holy Ghost, but it may appear on the forehead to distinguish the 144,000 from the rest of the Christians.
How would you know? The Word of God says the person who has wisdon will know what this mark of the beast is. You obviously don't have the kind of wisdom that is required if you don't believe in God's Word. The mark of the beast will not be a literal tattoo of a 666 mark. If it were, we would not need wisdom to determine what this mark will be. Today, those who belong to Christ are sealed by the Holy Ghost. Those who do not belong to Christ, who do not care, have the spiritual mark of the beast. During this time of Tribulation, there may be a physical mark to prove that you have the spiritual mark, which means you have rejected the Holy Trinity, Christ's Church, and all that is Truth, and are a worshipper of the Opponent of Christ; the Antichrist. The Seal of God will probably be the Seal of the Holy Ghost, but it may appear on the forehead to distinguish the 144,000 from the rest of the Christians.
DontBeAfraid
Jun 20th, 2006, 6:10 PM
Jesus never said anything about a "trinity"
James
Jun 20th, 2006, 10:21 PM
Jesus never said anything about a "trinity"
Have you read all the Gospels? Where did you get this idea? While the word "Trinity" is not in the Bible, there are many verses in the Gospels, and all of the New Testament reffering to the Holy Trinity, but I will use only one.
"All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost; Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world.
Matthew 28:18-20.
The Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost is the Holy Trinity.
Have you read all the Gospels? Where did you get this idea? While the word "Trinity" is not in the Bible, there are many verses in the Gospels, and all of the New Testament reffering to the Holy Trinity, but I will use only one.
"All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost; Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world.
Matthew 28:18-20.
The Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost is the Holy Trinity.
DontBeAfraid
Jun 20th, 2006, 10:31 PM
Ill submit that this interpretation is not totally insane.
however it is not on topic
You obviously don't have the kind of wisdom that is required if you don't believe in God's Word. this book was not written by any gods... How will you know what the mark is?
however it is not on topic
You obviously don't have the kind of wisdom that is required if you don't believe in God's Word. this book was not written by any gods... How will you know what the mark is?
James
Jun 20th, 2006, 11:10 PM
Ill submit that this interpretation is not totally insane.
however it is not on topic
this book was not written by any gods... How will you know what the mark is?
You're right. It wasn't written by any gods. It is inspired by God {2 Timothy 3:16} and written by holy men of God who were moved by the Holy Ghost {2 Peter 1:21}. We may not know what the mark is until it is issued. The Bible may hint at what it is, though. For instance, it is necessary to receive this mark if you want to buy or sell {Revelation 13:17}. This may be saying it's a type of chip that allows a person to do business in a cashless society. Regardless of what it is, once it comes, those who belong to Christ will know it. It won't be just some harmless chip or some harmless tattoo. When you receive this mark, even if it's spiritual, you will knowingly be rejecting God and all Truth and giving your full allegiance to the Antichrist. When this happens, and you fully, with your whole heart and mind reject the Lord, you will be eternally damned, even
today. That is why it is necessary to come to Christ now. Heed the love of God before it's too late. Because on that Great Day of Judgement, all chances to come to Jesus Christ and be cleansed of all sin will be gone {Revelation 20:15}. We must believe in Jesus and be baptized {Mark 16:16}, and He will be with us forever, even through the most difficult of times {Matthew 28:20}, and one day we will enter into His glorious kingdom {Matthew 25:34}.
however it is not on topic
this book was not written by any gods... How will you know what the mark is?
You're right. It wasn't written by any gods. It is inspired by God {2 Timothy 3:16} and written by holy men of God who were moved by the Holy Ghost {2 Peter 1:21}. We may not know what the mark is until it is issued. The Bible may hint at what it is, though. For instance, it is necessary to receive this mark if you want to buy or sell {Revelation 13:17}. This may be saying it's a type of chip that allows a person to do business in a cashless society. Regardless of what it is, once it comes, those who belong to Christ will know it. It won't be just some harmless chip or some harmless tattoo. When you receive this mark, even if it's spiritual, you will knowingly be rejecting God and all Truth and giving your full allegiance to the Antichrist. When this happens, and you fully, with your whole heart and mind reject the Lord, you will be eternally damned, even
today. That is why it is necessary to come to Christ now. Heed the love of God before it's too late. Because on that Great Day of Judgement, all chances to come to Jesus Christ and be cleansed of all sin will be gone {Revelation 20:15}. We must believe in Jesus and be baptized {Mark 16:16}, and He will be with us forever, even through the most difficult of times {Matthew 28:20}, and one day we will enter into His glorious kingdom {Matthew 25:34}.
DontBeAfraid
Jun 20th, 2006, 11:38 PM
Ok I consider myself a sane person.... I would not knowingly choose to be damned to torture forever.... So If I dont feel like its a bad thing then its safe to say its a good thing.
PheonixRIsing
Jun 20th, 2006, 11:51 PM
DBA, please you msut understand, God loves you, He doesn't want you to die and got to hell. Why do you think I am on this website? To help spread the Truth. God loves you and wants you to be happy and saved. Please open your heart and soul to him, he wants you to live forever in Paradise.
James
Jun 21st, 2006, 12:12 AM
Ok I consider myself a sane person.... I would not knowingly choose to be damned to torture forever.... So If I dont feel like its a bad thing then its safe to say its a good thing.
Of course you wouldn't knowingly choose to be damned. People who reject Christ don't say "Well, I think I'll reject Christ now, and live in eternal agony later". At least not sane people. But this happens everyday by rejecting God and His love in Jesus Christ. Feelings can not be trusted. For example, "And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband; and he did eat" Genesis 3:6. From the beginning Satan has been spreading the lie that if we "feel" something is right, then it is right. What did it get Adam and Eve when they "felt" something was right and disobeyed God? Banishment from the presence of God {Genesis 3:24}. For another example, somone may feel that sex outside of marriage is alright because they love the person they would have sex with, but God's word says it is wrong {1 Corinthans 6:18}. It also says in Proverbs 14:12 "There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death". Therefore, we cannot trust what seems right to us, but what is right according to the Word of God. One day, people will decide to do away with Christianity because the world hates all the talk of God, sin, death, and Hell. And this will seem right to the world and people will jump at the chance to destroy Christianity, so they will pledge themselves to the Antichrist, There will be some very difficult times ahead. When Christians are being tormented for the Faith, they "feel" pain, and they want it to stop, thus "feel" like they want to deny Christ, but it is not the right thing to do. We are to live by God's standard of right and wrong, and not ours.
Of course you wouldn't knowingly choose to be damned. People who reject Christ don't say "Well, I think I'll reject Christ now, and live in eternal agony later". At least not sane people. But this happens everyday by rejecting God and His love in Jesus Christ. Feelings can not be trusted. For example, "And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband; and he did eat" Genesis 3:6. From the beginning Satan has been spreading the lie that if we "feel" something is right, then it is right. What did it get Adam and Eve when they "felt" something was right and disobeyed God? Banishment from the presence of God {Genesis 3:24}. For another example, somone may feel that sex outside of marriage is alright because they love the person they would have sex with, but God's word says it is wrong {1 Corinthans 6:18}. It also says in Proverbs 14:12 "There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death". Therefore, we cannot trust what seems right to us, but what is right according to the Word of God. One day, people will decide to do away with Christianity because the world hates all the talk of God, sin, death, and Hell. And this will seem right to the world and people will jump at the chance to destroy Christianity, so they will pledge themselves to the Antichrist, There will be some very difficult times ahead. When Christians are being tormented for the Faith, they "feel" pain, and they want it to stop, thus "feel" like they want to deny Christ, but it is not the right thing to do. We are to live by God's standard of right and wrong, and not ours.
DontBeAfraid
Jun 21st, 2006, 4:00 AM
You just said that those who accept the mark are KNOWINGLY choosing hell.... I promise not to do this... So if I feel safe then its safe.
PheonixRIsing
Jun 21st, 2006, 7:45 AM
Actually they won't know it until its too late. In the bible it sayd that after a certain event, those who chose the mark will mourn because they learned that they have been deceived, they will curse the Devil and mourn.
James
Jun 21st, 2006, 10:21 AM
You just said that those who accept the mark are KNOWINGLY choosing hell.... I promise not to do this... So if I feel safe then its safe.
I said that those who knowingly reject God will go to Hell. In other words, the mark can not be forced upon you. Those who receive the mark will knowingly reject God and receive the mark of their own free will.
I said that those who knowingly reject God will go to Hell. In other words, the mark can not be forced upon you. Those who receive the mark will knowingly reject God and receive the mark of their own free will.
DontBeAfraid
Jun 21st, 2006, 1:01 PM
Ya... I promise not to knowingly choose hell.
Demonskates
Jun 21st, 2006, 2:18 PM
I said that those who knowingly reject God will go to Hell. In other words, the mark can not be forced upon you. Those who receive the mark will knowingly reject God and receive the mark of their own free will.
but you can be coerced,receive the mark or die!alot of people would rather live so they might be coerced into accepting the mark.
but you can be coerced,receive the mark or die!alot of people would rather live so they might be coerced into accepting the mark.
James
Jun 21st, 2006, 8:52 PM
Ya... I promise not to knowingly choose hell.
Of course not. No one does. But to choose to reject Christ, even not knowing there is a Hell, you will go to Hell without beilieving in the Name of the Son of God and being baptized for the remission of sins.
Of course not. No one does. But to choose to reject Christ, even not knowing there is a Hell, you will go to Hell without beilieving in the Name of the Son of God and being baptized for the remission of sins.
flagg
Jun 21st, 2006, 9:29 PM
I think we all agree that none of us could be forced to get a chip implant. If the Government (anyone be it USA Canada ect) said tomorrow. " Everyone will be required to get chip implants." We would tell them to shove it and there would be civil unrest.
But thing likes that do have a way of comming about. Its called small changes.
First it would be in the form of in Electronic Id card. Like a drivers licence. but with more info. It would be implimented over time. Get everyone having to use it for everything. Driving , health card, bank card. Dna ( for medical purposes only of course. Yeah right...!) But eventually this card will phase the other cards out.
Or it could be in the form of a cell phone. They have gps tracking abilities now.
Just place your cell phone against a bank machine and poof out comes 20 bucks.
( althought thats all i have in the bank)
Then someone will think hey, lets have a chip implant available to those who want it. That way no on can loose it or forget it in a bank machine or restaurant. And
oh yes alot of people will get it. Just like a tattoo or piercing. alot will want it.
No one will be forced. And over time the older generation will die off or not care as much either way. To the newer people who are used to seeing this and not seeing it as control will get it as a matter of course.
So when alot of the population gets it. It will be basically a necesity. Just like when they phased out the 8 track to the cassette tape, or for the newer generation when the cassette tape went to cd.
People will only be able to pay by chip because they wont have the ABM available or " Sorry we dont accept cash."
So you see I dont think it will be forced. To many people would protest.
But given time, and a few small changes here and there..
Yea I could see it..
Sleep well
F.
But thing likes that do have a way of comming about. Its called small changes.
First it would be in the form of in Electronic Id card. Like a drivers licence. but with more info. It would be implimented over time. Get everyone having to use it for everything. Driving , health card, bank card. Dna ( for medical purposes only of course. Yeah right...!) But eventually this card will phase the other cards out.
Or it could be in the form of a cell phone. They have gps tracking abilities now.
Just place your cell phone against a bank machine and poof out comes 20 bucks.
( althought thats all i have in the bank)
Then someone will think hey, lets have a chip implant available to those who want it. That way no on can loose it or forget it in a bank machine or restaurant. And
oh yes alot of people will get it. Just like a tattoo or piercing. alot will want it.
No one will be forced. And over time the older generation will die off or not care as much either way. To the newer people who are used to seeing this and not seeing it as control will get it as a matter of course.
So when alot of the population gets it. It will be basically a necesity. Just like when they phased out the 8 track to the cassette tape, or for the newer generation when the cassette tape went to cd.
People will only be able to pay by chip because they wont have the ABM available or " Sorry we dont accept cash."
So you see I dont think it will be forced. To many people would protest.
But given time, and a few small changes here and there..
Yea I could see it..
Sleep well
F.
PheonixRIsing
Jun 21st, 2006, 10:47 PM
Well, American history is much similar to the Roman Empire history, both overthrew kings for a republic. After 200 years, they created Caesar, and became an Empire. If the same happens to America, then we could all be in big trouble.
Jake99
Jul 24th, 2006, 11:30 AM
I am here to overthrow the Roman Empire and I have made that quite clear in five courthouses and twenty hearings in Massachusetts since 1998. The US government and I a citizen of Massachusetts have been at declared war status since Y2K and I claim to be the Messiah.
The judicial and mental health system failed to present a case for temporary or otherwise insanity and or criminal activity when in fact they proved the opposite.
How many judges, district attorneys, lawyers, liars, cheaters, thieves and doctors does it take to defeat Christ in court? The answer is it cannot be done no matter how many Anti Christs the world sends to stop the Messiah. I am here to help but I had to step on a few heads to get here.
The judicial and mental health system failed to present a case for temporary or otherwise insanity and or criminal activity when in fact they proved the opposite.
How many judges, district attorneys, lawyers, liars, cheaters, thieves and doctors does it take to defeat Christ in court? The answer is it cannot be done no matter how many Anti Christs the world sends to stop the Messiah. I am here to help but I had to step on a few heads to get here.
Raptor Witness
Jul 25th, 2006, 12:56 AM
I am here to overthrow the Roman Empire and I have made that quite clear in five courthouses and twenty hearings in Massachusetts since 1998. The US government and I a citizen of Massachusetts have been at declared war status since Y2K and I claim to be the Messiah.
The judicial and mental health system failed to present a case for temporary or otherwise insanity and or criminal activity when in fact they proved the opposite.
How many judges, district attorneys, lawyers, liars, cheaters, thieves and doctors does it take to defeat Christ in court? The answer is it cannot be done no matter how many Anti Christs the world sends to stop the Messiah. I am here to help but I had to step on a few heads to get here.Congrats Jake, you've finally said something I agree with. Rome is reborn through the United States, and if anyone thinks there's time to build another one, get REAL!
I repeat, if the clock started ticking "one generation" in 1948, then the European Union is a LONG ways from being the military equivalent of Rome I. The idea that the Catholic Church is somehow this iron clawed and teethed Leviathan, is preposterous.
Here is your "BEAST," it's the empire of the United States of America. First colony Afganistan, second colony Iraq. Wherever we put our democratic idealism "mark," we advocate the separation of church and state, which is in direct oppostion to the Kindgom of God.
http://www.revelationsofthebible.com/Fourth%20Beast.jpg
The judicial and mental health system failed to present a case for temporary or otherwise insanity and or criminal activity when in fact they proved the opposite.
How many judges, district attorneys, lawyers, liars, cheaters, thieves and doctors does it take to defeat Christ in court? The answer is it cannot be done no matter how many Anti Christs the world sends to stop the Messiah. I am here to help but I had to step on a few heads to get here.Congrats Jake, you've finally said something I agree with. Rome is reborn through the United States, and if anyone thinks there's time to build another one, get REAL!
I repeat, if the clock started ticking "one generation" in 1948, then the European Union is a LONG ways from being the military equivalent of Rome I. The idea that the Catholic Church is somehow this iron clawed and teethed Leviathan, is preposterous.
Here is your "BEAST," it's the empire of the United States of America. First colony Afganistan, second colony Iraq. Wherever we put our democratic idealism "mark," we advocate the separation of church and state, which is in direct oppostion to the Kindgom of God.
http://www.revelationsofthebible.com/Fourth%20Beast.jpg
Sammy56
Jul 25th, 2006, 3:31 AM
Wherever we put our democratic idealism "mark," we advocate the separation of church and state, which is in direct oppostion to the Kindgom of God.
Yes, because God wants us all to live in a theocracy where one religion is supreme and has the authority to surprise those who disagree. At this moment in time Raptor, separation of church and state is the only way to make sure the rights of all people are not infringed. Maybe in a perfect world, we wouldn't need this separation, but we don't live in a perfect world.
Yes, because God wants us all to live in a theocracy where one religion is supreme and has the authority to surprise those who disagree. At this moment in time Raptor, separation of church and state is the only way to make sure the rights of all people are not infringed. Maybe in a perfect world, we wouldn't need this separation, but we don't live in a perfect world.
bluenose_ian
Jul 25th, 2006, 8:41 AM
i read somewhere that in hebrew the letter w means the number 6 so if u have www meanin 666 some people believe that the internet www is the mark of the beast..
loganosborne
Jul 25th, 2006, 10:15 AM
i read somewhere that in hebrew the letter w means the number 6 so if u have www meanin 666 some people believe that the internet www is the mark of the beast..
Interesting little fact.
Interesting little fact.
Raptor Witness
Jul 25th, 2006, 1:47 PM
Yes, because God wants us all to live in a theocracy where one religion is supreme and has the authority to surprise those who disagree. At this moment in time Raptor, separation of church and state is the only way to make sure the rights of all people are not infringed. Maybe in a perfect world, we wouldn't need this separation, but we don't live in a perfect world.I would trust the Holy Spirit of truth in such a Kingdom, over the False Prophet of the electronic media ANY DAY.
Jake99
Jul 25th, 2006, 4:59 PM
I love living in the US but they are the enemy of peace and prosperity. The last I checked the US sent their jobs to foreign lands and elected the lawyers, bankers and defense people to run this country. I want to bring the jobs back and automate the white collar jobs which would shift power back to the working people. I want to standardize banking, insurance, education etc and keep children out of daycare and mothers of youngsters out of the work force.
You wont need to separate church and state in the system I propose because Religion has nothing to do with the operating system.
You wont need to separate church and state in the system I propose because Religion has nothing to do with the operating system.
ryangt2
Jul 25th, 2006, 5:46 PM
Mark of the Beast you say.well here in the uk there have been unprovoked killings by youg adults,cruelty to animals eg setting fire,or kicking,younger children having sex drugs,well there was a recent article in my home town where the local journalist investigated a high school and found children were taking cocaine,they are now using FBI test pads and the cops are investigating the claims and had a talk with pupils at the end of term.evil provails and im not religious
Ningishiddza
Aug 2nd, 2006, 7:39 PM
as far as the seal,it is decribed in the bible as physical,but could be symbolic,basically it marks you and sets you appart from the the ungodly.
The seal, or mark of the beast, was the seal of the now defunct Holy Roman Empire, just as Daniel and John of Patmos predicted. Sadly, you have all missed a wonderful opportunity to experience biblical prophecy by mere happenstance, namely, the fact that you were born 1,000 years too late.
The seal, or mark of the beast, was the seal of the now defunct Holy Roman Empire, just as Daniel and John of Patmos predicted. Sadly, you have all missed a wonderful opportunity to experience biblical prophecy by mere happenstance, namely, the fact that you were born 1,000 years too late.
doogle
Aug 3rd, 2006, 9:44 AM
on the other forum within armageddon online
http://forums.armageddononline.org/showthread.php?t=7314
jeffweeder made a post:
need broadband, otherwise sssllooowww
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49byH2zSATg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49byH2zSATg incase it isnt clickable within a quote =P
pretty creepy stuff there.
http://forums.armageddononline.org/showthread.php?t=7314
jeffweeder made a post:
need broadband, otherwise sssllooowww
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49byH2zSATg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49byH2zSATg incase it isnt clickable within a quote =P
pretty creepy stuff there.
Smoke
Aug 3rd, 2006, 6:26 PM
i dare a motherfucker to approach me with a crackneedle and a microchip inside ill break a neck.. lol im not kidding. I think this is bull shit if they started doing that some ppl would get fuckin beat down, not too many ppl are are ging to like that any ways. Specially those nutter like that guy who writes HUGE POSTS about the FBI following him and trying to poision him with food.
Tortoise
Aug 3rd, 2006, 7:34 PM
Jesus never said anything about a "trinity"True.
The Trinity was not introduced as doctrine until 325, the year in which the Emperor Constantine called the first Council of Nicea. He had adopted Christianity as the state religion, believing this would unify the people and the empire. (A sound political move on his part.)
At that time, Christians were divided in their opinions regarding the true nature of Jesus. One result of the council was to exile Arius of Alexandria, who had been teaching that Jesus was a created being. The Nicene Creed was subsequently adopted and Jesus was declared to be fully human and fully divine.
Interesting (unrelated?) facts: Later, Constantine had his own son put to death. Constantine also refused to be baptized until shortly before his own death in 337.
The Trinity was not introduced as doctrine until 325, the year in which the Emperor Constantine called the first Council of Nicea. He had adopted Christianity as the state religion, believing this would unify the people and the empire. (A sound political move on his part.)
At that time, Christians were divided in their opinions regarding the true nature of Jesus. One result of the council was to exile Arius of Alexandria, who had been teaching that Jesus was a created being. The Nicene Creed was subsequently adopted and Jesus was declared to be fully human and fully divine.
Interesting (unrelated?) facts: Later, Constantine had his own son put to death. Constantine also refused to be baptized until shortly before his own death in 337.
Sammy56
Aug 3rd, 2006, 11:33 PM
Constantine also refused to be baptized until shortly before his own death in 337.
It's not that he refused, it was just that it was a custom he followed which postponed baptism until old age or just before death. Sort of similar to the Catholic custom of baptism of babies.
Sorry, but I love Roman history and Constantine's life is one of my favorite areas, so I get a little nitpicky.
It's not that he refused, it was just that it was a custom he followed which postponed baptism until old age or just before death. Sort of similar to the Catholic custom of baptism of babies.
Sorry, but I love Roman history and Constantine's life is one of my favorite areas, so I get a little nitpicky.
UVsaturated
Aug 4th, 2006, 12:22 AM
What do you think the mark of the beast will be? Perhaps a micro-chip? Or maybe it's not physical, but only symbolic. For that matter, what is the Seal of God?
I am leaning toward the idea that the mark is symbolic. Symbolic for how you think {forhead/mind} and what works you do {right hand/works}.
It's possible that the Seal of God is the same thing. Probably just being sealed with the Holy Spirit.
The mark is symbolic, that is why it decieves everyone but the elect. Because those who know not the truth look for a physical mark and any kind of implementation they will be led astray. The mark is symbolic in its meaning. Look at my signature in my post, because it describes where 666 comes from. It is truly a mans number because we are flesh. Jesus said the flesh means nothing, so if you believe in the flesh you are denying the spirit. In other words the anti-christ is working to make you believe that the world, and the flesh is what counts, when it is the spirit or what is inside you that has the greater meaning.
I am leaning toward the idea that the mark is symbolic. Symbolic for how you think {forhead/mind} and what works you do {right hand/works}.
It's possible that the Seal of God is the same thing. Probably just being sealed with the Holy Spirit.
The mark is symbolic, that is why it decieves everyone but the elect. Because those who know not the truth look for a physical mark and any kind of implementation they will be led astray. The mark is symbolic in its meaning. Look at my signature in my post, because it describes where 666 comes from. It is truly a mans number because we are flesh. Jesus said the flesh means nothing, so if you believe in the flesh you are denying the spirit. In other words the anti-christ is working to make you believe that the world, and the flesh is what counts, when it is the spirit or what is inside you that has the greater meaning.
grendel 13
Aug 4th, 2006, 10:05 AM
The mark is symbolic, that is why it decieves everyone but the elect. Because those who know not the truth look for a physical mark and any kind of implementation they will be led astray. The mark is symbolic in its meaning. Look at my signature in my post, because it describes where 666 comes from. It is truly a mans number because we are flesh. Jesus said the flesh means nothing, so if you believe in the flesh you are denying the spirit. In other words the anti-christ is working to make you believe that the world, and the flesh is what counts, when it is the spirit or what is inside you that has the greater meaning.
it is definitely the whats inside you that counts, however i heard somewhere, can't remember where, that the interpretations of 666 could be wrong and that the actual number might be 616. anyone else heard about this? it sure would mess things up if it turned out to be true.
it is definitely the whats inside you that counts, however i heard somewhere, can't remember where, that the interpretations of 666 could be wrong and that the actual number might be 616. anyone else heard about this? it sure would mess things up if it turned out to be true.
Tortoise
Aug 4th, 2006, 4:55 PM
It's not that he refused, it was just that it was a custom he followed which postponed baptism until old age or just before death. Sort of similar to the Catholic custom of baptism of babies.That sounds more like the "Last Rites":
"The comfort of Viaticum has been valued by Christians since the beginning of Church history. The first ecumenical council, held at Nicaea in 325, decreed: "Concerning the departing, the ancient canonical law is still to be maintained, to wit, that, if any man be at the point of death, he must not be deprived of the last and most indispensable Viaticum" (canon 13). Having repented of our sins and received reconciliation, we travel with the Lord Jesus out of this earthly life and to eternal happiness with him in heaven."
Baptism was not something early Christians put off until old age or just before death. That would have been too risky, considering the following beliefs of the early church:
"It is not possible to receive forgiveness of sins without baptism" (Exhortation to the Martyrs 30 [A.D. 235]).
"The present Catholic attitude accords perfectly with early Christian practices. Origen, for instance, wrote in the third century that "according to the usage of the Church, baptism is given even to infants" (Holilies on Leviticus, 8:3:11 [A.D. 244]). The Council of Carthage, in 253, condemned the opinion that baptism should be withheld from infants until the eighth day after birth. Later, Augustine taught, "The custom of Mother Church in baptizing infants is certainly not to be scorned . . . nor is it to be believed that its tradition is anything except apostolic" (Literal Interpretation of Genesis 10:23:39 [A.D. 408])."
Constantine's chosen timing prompts me to seriously question whether or not he really believed the doctrines he had assisted in establishing.
Quotes taken from: http://www.catholic.com/default.asp
"The comfort of Viaticum has been valued by Christians since the beginning of Church history. The first ecumenical council, held at Nicaea in 325, decreed: "Concerning the departing, the ancient canonical law is still to be maintained, to wit, that, if any man be at the point of death, he must not be deprived of the last and most indispensable Viaticum" (canon 13). Having repented of our sins and received reconciliation, we travel with the Lord Jesus out of this earthly life and to eternal happiness with him in heaven."
Baptism was not something early Christians put off until old age or just before death. That would have been too risky, considering the following beliefs of the early church:
"It is not possible to receive forgiveness of sins without baptism" (Exhortation to the Martyrs 30 [A.D. 235]).
"The present Catholic attitude accords perfectly with early Christian practices. Origen, for instance, wrote in the third century that "according to the usage of the Church, baptism is given even to infants" (Holilies on Leviticus, 8:3:11 [A.D. 244]). The Council of Carthage, in 253, condemned the opinion that baptism should be withheld from infants until the eighth day after birth. Later, Augustine taught, "The custom of Mother Church in baptizing infants is certainly not to be scorned . . . nor is it to be believed that its tradition is anything except apostolic" (Literal Interpretation of Genesis 10:23:39 [A.D. 408])."
Constantine's chosen timing prompts me to seriously question whether or not he really believed the doctrines he had assisted in establishing.
Quotes taken from: http://www.catholic.com/default.asp
alzaya
Aug 5th, 2006, 7:39 PM
The mark of the Beast is money. Figuratively speaking of "number of a man" ...King Solomon, and his number (666) is the number of talents in gold he collected in one year.
It is money, and we all have it. Notice in verse: 13:16..And he causeth ALL, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark if their right hand, or in their foreheads.
In John's time, a mark in the right hand equated to their 'works' and the forehead equated to their thoughts.
There is a book coming out in Dec, titled '666 The Mark of America Seat of the Beast.'
It explains Revelation, verse by verse. To see previews, go to:
http://666america.com
It is money, and we all have it. Notice in verse: 13:16..And he causeth ALL, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark if their right hand, or in their foreheads.
In John's time, a mark in the right hand equated to their 'works' and the forehead equated to their thoughts.
There is a book coming out in Dec, titled '666 The Mark of America Seat of the Beast.'
It explains Revelation, verse by verse. To see previews, go to:
http://666america.com
Philosopher Foelhe
Aug 5th, 2006, 10:09 PM
Moved to the Religious section. Which I really should have done a long time ago.
jinxz
Aug 6th, 2006, 12:49 PM
it is definitely the whats inside you that counts, however i heard somewhere, can't remember where, that the interpretations of 666 could be wrong and that the actual number might be 616. anyone else heard about this? it sure would mess things up if it turned out to be true.
Yeah, that's true. 666 is the value of Nero Caesar in Latin, 616 is the valuation of Nero Caesar in Greek. (or was it vice versa?) Anyway, if you interpret the book of Revelations as referring to the Roman Empire (and it's pretty safe to assume that most if not all early Christians did) it makes perfects sense. I think I said something about this in the 06/06/06 thread over in the Armageddon&Disasters forum.
Yeah, that's true. 666 is the value of Nero Caesar in Latin, 616 is the valuation of Nero Caesar in Greek. (or was it vice versa?) Anyway, if you interpret the book of Revelations as referring to the Roman Empire (and it's pretty safe to assume that most if not all early Christians did) it makes perfects sense. I think I said something about this in the 06/06/06 thread over in the Armageddon&Disasters forum.
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