Bush 3rd Term

[loganosborne]

A lot of my friends recently have been telling me what the possibilities of Bush staying in for a third term. I don't think its going to happen personally but what do you guys think? and if you think he is why do you think that. But I doubt he will.

[lycanox]

Whit that approval ratings?

I bed they found an nice replacements with the same ideology already.

[Raptor Witness]

A lot of my friends recently have been telling me what the possibilties of Bush staying in for a third term. I dont think its going to happen personally but what do you guys think? and if you think he is why do you think that. But I doubt he will.Why not, I've outlined for you perfectly who he really is in history. He ain't goin' nowhere, come election time. We'll be in the middle of a war with Iran, or hopelessly mired in an economic depression brought on by the poison wind, among other calamities you cannot legislate against. You can't win against God. Even after you kill His messengers, more will follow.

Something has to occur which will turn the government against it's own citizens in mass, especially the Christians who finally recognize the Harlot, the Beast, and the False Prophet. The failure of the Christian Church in America to see a government which seeks to do exactly what Nimrod did, is not only blind, it's deaf, and dumb. "Mystery Babylon" is the second attempt to climb a stairway to Heaven. Therefore, God will send catastrophe upon catastrophe to wake them up. Iran, North Korea, and especially Al Qaeda will seem like small problems compared to the cup of poison God Almighty is preparing. The penalty Jesus gave for harming little children is the same as the Harlot's, but you won't hear this in any pulpit in America, or the world for that matter. The electronic media idol teaches them violence. What more evidence do you need for who you are, America? What other idol prepared by the hands of man has been given the power of speech? You keep waiting on the False Prophet to build a new kind of talking idol, but it's here baby. You're looking at it!

Bush is the apex of a cult, similar to the Egyptians, which worships death. The real reason his cult name was "temporary," is because "King of Babylon" would become his correct name in Bible history. He is the second Alexander of Daniel 8, who crosses the entire earth from the West, without touching the ground, indicating the age of manned flight.

I suggest that those with wisdom immigrate from the U.S. now, because once the Harlot is identified, her time is short. Repent and immigrate, NOW.


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[Marajadex]

A US President is only allowed 2 terms. Unless there is some major change in Law Bush is out at the end of this term.


U.S. Constitution - Amendment 22 (1951)

Section 1. No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once. But this article shall not apply to any person holding the office of President when this article was proposed by the Congress, and shall not prevent any person who may be holding the office of President, or acting as President, during the term within which this article becomes operative from holding the office of President or acting as President during the remainder of such term.

Section 2. This article shall be inoperative unless it shall have been ratified as an amendment to the Constitution by the legislatures of three-fourths of the several states within seven years from the date of its submission to the states by the Congress.

Proposed 3/21/1947
Ratified 2/27/1951

http://www.usconstitution.net/xconst_Am22.html

22nd Amendment History
Since the presidency of George Washington, only one thing could be said to be totally consistent - that no President had the job for more than two full terms. Washington had been asked to run for a third term in 1796, but he made it quite clear that he had no intention of doing so; that an orderly transition of power was needed to set the Constitution in stone. And so it was for almost 150 years.

Franklin Delano Roosevelt was first elected President in 1932, and re-elected in 1936. When it came time for the Democrats to nominate a candidate for the Presidency in 1940, two things had happened. First, the Republicans had made great gains in Congress in the 1938 elections. And Hitler happened. Europe was in the throes of a great war, with trouble in the Pacific, too. A change away from Roosevelt, who had led the nation through the Great Depression, did not seem wise. He was nominated for an unprecedented third term, and won. It was not a landslide victory, however, and it is debatable that FDR would have had a third term had it not been for the war. When 1944 rolled around, changing leaders in the middle of World War II, which the United States was now fully engaged in, also seemed unwise, and FDR ran for and was elected to, a fourth term.

His life was nearly over, however, and his Vice President, Harry Truman, became President upon FDR's death less than 100 days after his inauguration. Though FDR's leadership was seen by many as a key reason that the U.S. came out of WWII victorious, the Congress was determined, once the war ended, to ensure that Washington's self-imposed two-term limit become the law of the land. Specifically excepting Truman from its provisions, the 22nd Amendment passed Congress on March 21, 1947. After Truman won a second term in 1948, it was ratified on February 27, 1951 (1,439 days). Truman could have run for a third term, but bowed out early before campaigning began.

http://www.usconstitution.net/constamnotes.html#Am22

[Ningishiddza]

A US President is only allowed 2 terms. Unless there is some major change in Law Bush is out at the end of this term.

Not necessarily.

In August or September, a "terrorist act" could be orchestrated. Under the War Powers Act and numerous Executive Orders, Gheorghe Bushovsky could declare martial law and suspend elections.

Bushchernov could then remain president for an additional 2 years, before the constitutional limitation of 10 years kicks in.

At that time, Buschkovici could either attempt to buck the constitution or step down and allow Cheneyikov to take over. Cheneytev could then end martial law and hold elections in 2012, and being the incumbent, would have a fair shot of winning.

Or in the alternative, Bushenev could name Jeb Von Bushausen as vice president prior to stepping down at the 10 year mark, and Jeb Bushgeweitung could rule for 2 years before calling elections in 2012.

[Marajadex]

Again that would take a major change of law. Unless there is an extream event... 2 terms is it.

[Wastelandwarrior]

Bush will stay for his last term....
trust me...
if he beat the odds before....
he will beat them agian...
even if he has to cheat... (AGAIN)

[loganosborne]

A US President is only allowed 2 terms. Unless there is some major change in Law Bush is out at the end of this term.
Don't call me stupid but Can't Bush change the law if he wanted to or isn't he allowed to do this. By the way I still don't think he will stay in for a third term.

[Marajadex]

Dont call me stupid but Can't Bush change the law if he wanted to or isnt he aloud to do this. By the way I still dont think he will stay in for a third term.It would take changing the Contitution and that is not something Bush can do by himself. Yes under extreme circumstances and I mean extreme... bigger than 9/11 extreme, that they could declare Martial Law. That would not really be serving a third term as it would be extending his second term... Semantics either way he is still president. Chances of it happening however are very slim.

You can check out www.usconstitution.net (http://www.usconstitution.net/consttop_mlaw.html#intro) for more info about Martial Law.

From the Wikipedia
From the United States of America
The martial law concept in the U.S. is closely tied with the Writ of habeas corpus, which is in essence the right to a hearing on lawful imprisonment, or more broadly, the supervision of law enforcement by the judiciary. The ability to suspend habeas corpus is often equated with martial law. Article 1, Section 9 of the U.S. Constitution states, "The privilege of the Writ of Habeas Corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in Cases of Rebellion or Invasion the public Safety may require it."

In United States law, martial law is limited by several court decisions that were handed down between the American Civil War and World War II. In Ex Parte Milligan 71 US 2 1866, the Supreme Court of the United States held that martial law could not be instituted within the United States when its civilian courts are in operation. In 1878, Congress passed the Posse Comitatus Act, which forbids military involvement in domestic law enforcement without congressional approval. The National Guard is an exception, since unless federalized, they are under the control of state governors.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martial_Law

What is more concerning is...


More from the Wikipedia
Controversy
Debate exists in regard to the legality of a Presidential decree of martial law, due to recent pronouncements from the Bush Administration and national security initiatives that were put in place in the Reagan era. When president Ronald Reagan was considering invading Nicaragua, he issued a series of executive orders that provided the Federal Emergency Management Agency with broad powers in the event of a crisis such as violent and widespread internal dissent or national opposition against a U.S. military invasion abroad. To date, these powers have never been used but with the 2003 Invasion of Iraq, 2006 U.S. immigration reform protests and the possibility of avian flu spreading globally, concerns have been raised that these powers could be employed or a de facto drift into their deployment could occur.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martial_Law#Controversy

[loganosborne]

Thanks for that info Mara.

[Ningishiddza]

With the creation of the Department of Homeland Security and in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina, the future role of FEMA in emergency management, some of these Executive Orders (EOs) have been modified to reflect those changes, but I don't have them yet.

The original EOs were:

EO 12148: FEMA has control in national security emergencies or any declared national disaster, social unrest, insurrection, or national financial crisis.

EO 10995: "... provides for the seizure of all communications media in the United States."

EO 10997: "... provides for the seizure of all electric power, petroleum, gas, fuels and minerals, both public and private."

EO 10998: "... provides for the seizure of all food supplies and resources, public and private, and all farms, lands, and equipment."

EO 10999: "... provides for the seizure of all means of transportation, including personal cars, trucks or vehicles of any kind. FEMA has total control over all highways, seaports, and waterways."

EO 11000: "... provides for the reassignment and relocation of American citizens for work forces under federal supervision. If necessary, families may be separated to achieve FEMA goals."

EO 11001: "... provides for government seizure of all health, education and welfare functions."

EO 11002: "... designates the postmaster general to conduct a national registration of all persons." Essentially you would be required to report to your local post office and register. From there you would be reassigned or relocated.

EO 11003: "... provides for government control of all airports and aircraft, commercial, public and private."

EO 11004: "... provides for the Housing and Finance Authority to relocate communities, designate areas to be abandoned and establish new locations for populations."

EO 11005: "... provides for government control of all railroads, inland waterways, and public storage facilities."

EO 11051: "... the office of Emergency Planning [has] complete authorization to put the above orders into effect in time of increased international tension or economic or financial crisis."

Nixon combined all of the preceeding Executive Orders into EO 11490, which allows all of this to take place if a national emergency is declared by the president.

In June of 1994, Clinton signed off on EO 12919: "National Defense Industrial Resources Preparedness" which delegates authorities, responsibilities and allocations of FEMA Executive Orders for the confiscation of property and the re-location and assignment to 'labor' camps.

This Executive Order also supersedes or revokes eleven previous Executive Orders issued between 1939 and 1991, and amends Executive Orders 10789 and 11790.

Under a "national emergency" delcared by the president, your constitutional rights and the US Constitution are suspended.

Your 1st Amendment rights are out the window.
Your 2nd Amendment rights are void, as any weapons you have could be confiscated.
Your 3rd Amendment rights are gone. FEMA or its successor or anyother agency can quarter troops in your home if they want to do that.
Your 4th Amendment rights are gone as the government can seize any of your belongings for any reason. If they want to use your house as a command post, they kick you out and move right in.

You are not entitled to compensation for the loss, damage or destruction of any property siezed or confiscated under a national emergency.

The only constitutional right that will be effectively enforced is your right to a speedy trial, sans a jury of your peers, and you will be tried and executed within a few seconds, unless you're deemed fit for a labor detail, work camp or re-education camp.

[Cartesiantheater]

Suppose none of this happens, and Bush just quietly leaves after his second term, and say, Hillary Clinton wins the election? Would her administration declare martial law and such?

[Sammy56]

Just thinking about Bush being in office for a 3rd term makes me ill. Luckily, while it is technically possible, the chances of it are slim. The 22nd amendment would have to be changed which won't happen as there really is not a need or there would have to be a devastating crisis.

Even if either of the above scenarios occurred, Bush still might not get a third term. Even if the 22nd amendment was changed, Bush's approval rating is so low that he won't win another election. And I don't know much about martial law, but if Bush did declare it and then abused his powers, couldn't Congress or the Supreme Court still get rid of him?

[Wastelandwarrior]

you know what guys.... im going to say it again...
bush is gona win this election....
trust me...
and no im not a bush supporter...
i just know he will pull some bullshit off again...

[Cartesiantheater]

you know what guys.... im going to say it again...
bush is gona win this election....
trust me...
and no im not a bush supporter...
i just know he will pull some bullshit off again...
Wait, Bush CAN'T win another ELECTION, but he could lengthen his second term.

But anyway, I can't buy the particular conspiracy theory that his SECOND election victory was not legitimate for two reasons:

1.) Kerry's campaign team got raped by Bush's
2.) From my own personal experience, religious right-wing fanaticism is at a peak in the U.S. right now (or was at the time of his second election win). And when you add that Pope John Paul told Catholics to vote for Bush because of abortion, and then Kerry, who claims to be Catholic, supports abortion and therefore goes against the Pope, it just seems to me like he was screwed from the beginning. (Of course, right here you could insert that Bush had paid or threatened the Pope to tell Catholics to vote for him) But then, I don't even know how important the Catholic vote was. I do know, however, that the religious nutbag "right-to-life/ burn the gays" crowd was critical.

But anyway, I seriously doubt that a Republican like Bush will win the next election. It seems to me that the people have lost patience. With such low approval ratings for Bush, it's the Democrat's election to lose, I think.

[Яεłεήtłεss]

Bush won't get a third term...
Now if something crazy happens, like world war 3... maybe.. but otherwise.. never gonna happen.
Jeb won't be getting the presidencey either.. No way anyone will vote him into office after the show his brother and father have put on...

[Sammy56]

Originally Posted by Wastelandwarrior
bush is gona win this election....
If Bush does somehow end up in office for a third term, it won't be because of him winning an election. He doesn't have the power nor the support to repeal the 22nd amendment.

[Jupiter]

I don't think the constitution will change to give Bush a 3rd term. The man doesn't come across as very bright, and I was most surprised that American's voted him in for even his 2nd term. I lost £20 on a bet on John Kerry winning! I personally wouldn't mind seeing Hilary Clinton as President some time in the future - it would be safe to know more about her though before I would finalise this conclusion.

[D34DGuY]

If we are not already in a declared martial law state at that time, and we have our new dictator George Bush, then I strongly believe that someone else of the same Group if you catch my meaning will be rigged for a victory in the election, just as John Kerry was on the same side a George Bush. It was and for a long time now, been a false choice everyone that has run for president for some time now has had alternative interests, moreover for corporate welfare, and global domination, the enslavement of all humanity....A One world government is being contructed around us, just do some research into the UN and who actually runs and funded that organization.

[Perfectionist]

When exactly is the next US election ...... cos Jake99 has to start his preparations :D

[Sammy56]

November of 2008, I believe. I'll be able to vote too!

[krakatoa]

Please tell me American peoples, Do you really believe that the intention of the Bush Adimistration, is to leave him there for more time, without an election??Do you really believe that, or only wondering.This is only a question, i want to know if it is a real concern, for United States citizens, or not. C.

[i'm a dick]

bush is reportedly unhappy with the indian train blast.
bush is just all talk no action.

anyone wanna suggest what actions bush can do or anything?

thanks.
i value ur replies :crtmn:

[Raptor Witness]

I truly believe that Bush won't leave office as a result of some natural or man made disaster.

As for the Indian trains being blown up, what's new? The western media is making the terrorists into super heroes for Islam, so what do you expect? At the same time, they glamorize every crime speakable, all because of the power allotted them by the False Prophet, and in the name of the Beast(Rome II). You don't get two chances in history to give the power of speech to an idol, which is simply an object made by human hands. I'm surprised Bush hasn't seized the free press, but that isn't necessary. They hold the FCC licenses, so can extort anything they want of the supposedly free electronic media. The amount of money spent on propaganda right now is enormous. A good example is Boeing's endless commericals showing male models surveying a bridge to no where in the distance. The only correct thing in that commercial is the bridge to no where part. Iraq is a bridge to Hell, so Bush found a name to replace his "temporary" one via his secret cult designation. "King of Babylon" replaces "Temporary" in Skull 'n' Bones. If you think that's just a coincidence, read your Bible and see for yourself the goals of this King. He is accused of two major crimes against God and man. 1) Rebuilding the Tower of Babel and 2) Selling weapons of violence and profiting from it. Gee, what are the odds that between NASA and the military industrial complex revving up for the Iraq war, we're at the apex of both of these prophecies? What are the odds that he is a pilot? What are the odds that he's a prince?

Bush Jr. spoke of conquering the solar system, better known as the fiery stones to the ancients, and the U.S. is currently the largest exporter of weapons of violence TO THE REST OF the world ....but here's the kicker - AT THE SAME TIME PLAYING THE WORLD'S POLICEMAN. What would you think if the policemen in your home town were also in the biz of selling guns to the locals? Kinda strange don't you think?

THE TRUTH IS NOBODY IS THINKING! Especially Christian Americans deceived by this Prince of Hell.

The Prince

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Of the power ..... reading "The Pet Goat" when twin towers were struck.

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Of the Air ...... the goat in Daniel 8 does two KEY correlating things, he flies and he attacks Media(Iraq), then Persia.

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I promise you, God will hold the American church to account for not using their eyes to see what's going on here. Expect to be deceived, especially in this age, and you can begin to see the deceiver. Stay fat and content and burn with the Harlot. There will be no rapture for those without light in their lamps! Remember?

If the clock began ticking ONE GENERATION in 1948 with Israel's birth, is there time for another world empire like Rome to rise and attack another Iraq? Open your EYES!

[Sammy56]

Raptor, if you don't mind me asking, what the hell is that thing in your third picture? It looks like a half goat/half unicorn. With wings.

[Skynet12]

Lol-nice pic! a goat with wings!

[krakatoa]

I have to tell you raptor, my eyes are opened, but what I am not sure about, is will he succed to stay in power?? Will americans peoples, and all the countrys of the worlds will let that happen, ironic the american shopper is passing on the top of us now, i live close to the border.I hope you anderstand my point my question. What I see in Irak, make me think that he has'nt enought military power to to what he wants to do. I believe that he would like to be on the top of the world, but does he as the means to do it, and do you really believe he can do that, with the consitution majaradex was talking about. I believe that because, of all these reason, he wont be able to do something like that. I whish that he and his fellows wont be able to do that. They are not God. God is God, and whatever happened, Peoples of God will win. C. :2thumbs:

[Justice]

Years ago if a woman was thought to be a witch, they would tie her up and throw her into a river. If she drown she was not a witch, if she floated she was a witch so they burnt her anyway.

When it comes to GW-Bush I think he will be bumped off as demands for an independent 9/11 investigation becomes unavoidable. The only way he can get away with this is if he’s the new antichrist as he does seem to be doing a good job at destroying the world.

Sink or swim that guy is going to go down.

Will another Bush take over if he’s killed, I think the Americans have had just about all they can take of the Bush’s for now.

[Raptor Witness]

The bottom line in my simple argument is, not only does he fit Holy Scripture for the proverbial "King of Babylon." He is the only candidate possible. Add to all this the coincidence that he is in power in 6/6/06, 2000 years after Jesus, which is when the Times of the Gentiles are OVER.

We're being painted in a corner by Iran. There will be no way out. They'll eventually force us to attack them, so their [Mahdi] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahdi) can appear, etc., which is their second coming. As I've said before here, it doesn't matter if you have faith or not, those that do will dictate YOUR future by self fulfilling prophecy.

[Maleko]

I don't think Bush is the "King of Babylon" at all. I think Bush was a walkthrough. Bush is your big toe the first time you go swimming at the lake in the spring. Will Bush declare martial law to extend his rule 2 or 20 more years? I don't know. I do know that Cheney (among others) has said that if another 9/11 type disaster would hit, that they could consider suspending the Constitution in order to deal with the crisis.

If the world pushes our hand (or more likely, the world gives the warhawks in Wash the chance), then Bush may end up being the one who suspends the Constitution. However, I think in the 2008 elections, we will have 2 choices that couldn't be more identical. Lets face it, neither the Dems or Repubs have the average every day people's interests at heart. Our choice will be PNAC member #1 or Mr TalksABigGameButIsReallyTryingToAcheiveTheSameGoal s. So the "King of Babylon" isn't a single man, but rather an ideology, an ideology that will lead us into disaster (whether you beleive in the biblical armegeddon, or just a "war to end all wars", it will be bad)

[Raptor Witness]

October 29, 2003 - "In the battle of Iraq, the United States and our allies have prevailed."

http://static.flickr.com/46/189233901_87c39a354d_o.jpg "stern faced king" Dan 8:23

Then and only then could he fulfill prophecy with this next statement ...

President Bush Announces New Vision for Space Exploration Program - January 14, 2004 [Link to entire speech] (http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2004/01/20040114-3.html)

"Today I announce a new plan to explore space and extend a human presence across our solar system. "

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Who else but the King of Babylon could say these words on the earth?

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[Maleko]

Well I would say that Pres. Kennedy came pretty darn close. So was he, the King of Babylon too?

We were given "signs" to look for. All of these things MUST come to pass, in order for the second coming of Christ. We were also told by God that although we have signs, we will not know the date of the second coming, only that it will happen. There are many times in history that could interpreted as fitting into the description of some of the signs. Obviously as of today they have not all been fulfilled. So although you may beleive that Bush is the King of Babylon, you do not know. And saying that you know would be bearing false witness, which, if I am correct, is something a Christian would never do.

[Raptor Witness]

You're correct, but Kennedy lacked two important distinctions ... 1) He didn't conquer ancient Babel, AND immediately after, announce the goal of conquering 2) The solar system, which were known as, the planets a.k.a. "the wanderers" OR the "fiery stones" to the ancients.

This is how the REBELLION is identified. This is how Satan's THRONE on earth is identified. This is how the MYSTERY, stamped on the Harlorts forehead is understood.

[Raptor Witness]

When you look for the time of the end, you have to look for a rebellion. Let's see, what would really piss God off? What pissed Him off at the Tower of Babel? Come on shepherds!

A "mystery" is stamped on The Harlot's forehead, because He knew you'd MISS IT!

Daniel 8

He said: "I am going to tell you what will happen later in the time of wrath, because the vision concerns the appointed time of the end.

In the latter part of their reign, when rebels have become completely wicked,, a stern-faced king, a master of intrigue, will arise."

Intrigue is the ability to lie and largely get away with it. Intrigue is using the False Prophet(Electronic Media) to assist you in your goal. All this means is that this king will have at his disposal, an idol, made by human hands which mysteriously has the power of speech.

Gee, I wonder what that could be? What else has man made with his hands that can speak?

http://static.flickr.com/49/173325743_c6d2200eee_m.jpg Rev. 13: 13-15

Blind shepherds, blind guides, where is your light that justifies your "rapture?"

[Maleko]

Man, where to start?

Ok I think I found a starting point.

Name ONE period of time throughout history where there ISN'T a rebellion. And since the winner writes the history books, name one losing rebellion that wasn't labeled wicked.

You think that electronic media is the false prophet? I don't mean to be rude, but there are thousands of false prophets. All spouting similarly incomprehensible drivel. Some are on street corners, some in local/national/global newspapers and magazines, some running huge churches (under various banners of course), and a lot on the internet. Anyone who thinks they KNOW, or says that God has told or shown them, is a false prophet. An inanimate thing can not be a prophet as it can never claim to know God's mind. Only us humans so far try to claim that.

"Intrigue is the ability to lie and largely get away with it. Intrigue is using the False Prophet(Electronic Media) to assist you in your goal. All this means is that this king will have at his disposal an idol, made by human hands which mysteriously has the power of speech.

Gee, I wonder what that could be? What else has man made with his hands that can speak?"

Intrigue (dictionary.com)
1. a. A secret or underhand scheme; a plot.
b. The practice of or involvement in such schemes.
2. A clandestine love affair.

Well of course there is intrigue involved, how else would you put a predetermined plan (that is considered evil) into action, other than by plotting it underhandedly?


If your considering a man made device that can speak, there are NONE! You can not sit down in front of a computer, TV, radio, newspaper, magazine or any other device and have it speak to you. Yes you can listen to a recorded speech, you can read the words that were spoken during the speech, and you can program a computer to make sounds in ways that are recognizable as words, but none of these devices can answer the question "How are you today?" (nor any other question) with any answer other than one it was told to give. So although you could consider any of these devices I've mentioned as idols, and yes they can all be used to spread communications (so in a pinch you could say they speak, if your really stretching the words). However, you could say any world leader in the past 100ish years fits that bill.

So yes, some of today's occurances and technologies may (loosely) fit into your signs, there are many times in the past that have also fit into certain signs (and by the way there were false prophets saying "the end is near" then also). None of those was the right time, and God tells us we will never know the time, so how can you say you KNOW the time is now?

[Raptor Witness]

Here's another place where this rebellion is described.

2 Thessalonians 2:1-12

Now concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our assembling to meet him, we beg you, brethren, not to be quickly shaken in mind or excited, either by spirit or by word, or by letter purporting to be from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord has come. Let no one deceive you in any way; for that day will not come, unless the rebellion comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of perdition, who opposes and exalts himself against every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, proclaiming himself to be God. Do you not remember that when I was still with you I told you this? And you know what is restraining him now so that he may be revealed in his time. For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only he who now restrains it will do so until he is out of the way. And then the lawless one will be revealed, and the Lord Jesus will slay him with the breath of his mouth and destroy him by his appearing and his coming. The coming of the lawless one by the activity of Satan will be with all power and with pretended signs and wonders, and with all wicked deception for those who are to perish, because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. Therefore God sends upon them a strong delusion, to make them believe what is false, so that all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

Where is the Temple of God currently? Christians are looking for it to be rebuilt, but it's not on the earth anymore, it's in Heaven. Want to know where Satan tries to sit and proclaim himself to be God.

Read Isaiah 14 ...
13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt "MY THRONE" above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:

14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

In other WORDS BLIND SHEPHERDS, after Satan is cast to the earth, he isn't interested AT ALL in an earthly temple in Jerusalem. He wants to go UP here!

http://static.flickr.com/27/89184597_54fc20debe.jpg Do I hear an echo Mr. President? "Today I announce a new plan to explore space and extend a human presence across our solar system. "

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Ezekiel 28

14 I ordained and anointed you as the mighty angelic guardian.* You had access to the holy mountain of God and walked among the stones of fire.

Why would Satan want to set up his throne on the earth, if he HAD access to a higher place?

15 "You were blameless in all you did from the day you were created until the day evil was found in you.

16 Your great wealth filled you with violence, and you sinned. So I banished you from the mountain of God. I expelled you, O mighty guardian, from your place among the stones of fire.

Bottom Line, the "Temple" Satan tries to enter and name himself "God" is above the tops of the clouds. He gets kicked out of Heaven, but climbs a stairway back, using man, and defying God, AGAIN!

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[Maleko]

Like I said "similarly incomprehensible drivel"

[mickydoolittle]

A lot of my friends recently have been telling me what the possibilties of Bush staying in for a third term.
There is a TWO-TERM LIMIT. Check it out...no really, try to be informed...it is better for everyone in the long run.

[Nasik]

Okay Mickey - I agree with you but.. your icon there, its kinda disturbing, like where the hell is that guy's head? I don't want to look at it directly but I just can't seem to stop..... staring... what the h....

[loganosborne]

There is a TWO-TERM LIMIT. Check it out...no really, try to be informed...it is better for everyone in the long run.
I know that and I doubt it will happen but my friends think there possibility it could happen. With the example being America being in a big war. That made want to see what you people on AO think of the possibilities of a 3rd term or a extended 2nd term.

[Ginger_S]

I would like to get your thoughts on what happens after Bush.

For instance the other day I was on another message board and saw how so many were so against Bush that they would actually vote for Hillary Clinton for president! :amaz:

I am NOT a Bush supporter and think he should have been out of office before he even started but to vote for Hillary??? :amaz:
NO FREAKIN WAY!!!

It was only a few years ago if that Hillary stated something to the effect of: ' The average American citizen isn't smart enough to know what they need with regards to Health Care'.

Praying the Dems come up with a better option other than Hillary!! Hillary can kiss my :Bott: The last thing we need in the whitehouse is another Gov. Official that thinks so low of the people they work for!

[Ningishiddza]

There is a TWO-TERM LIMIT. Check it out...no really, try to be informed...it is better for everyone in the long run.

We are informed. There is a two-term limit, but if and only if the US Constitution is in effect and has not been suspended due to national emergency or the declaration of martial law, which is something that could realistically happen under the proper conditions. Read the War Powers Act and the Executive Orders, especially those that are related to FEMA and the Department of Homeless Security. The US Constitution can be suspended.

No one is saying that Buskovsky will be elected to a 3rd term. What people are suggesting is that based on gut-instinct, intuition, prophecy, predictions, astrology, spirit guides, dreams, chicken guts, I Ching, bad feelings, weird feelings and two birds in that tree over there, or whatever, is that something will happen, a terrorist event perhaps, that will give Bushkovici the power to declare martial law and/or a national emergency and suspend the US Constitution, resulting in no elections for 2008, resulting in Bushenev remaining in power for what effectively is a 3rd term (or even longer).

[Raptor Witness]

[ABA: Bush violating Constitution] (http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/07/24/lawyers.bush.ap/index.html)

"The ABA group, which includes a one-time FBI director and former federal appeals court judge, said the president has overstepped his authority in attaching challenges to hundreds of new laws."

[NeedleJunkie]

OK, I've tried my best to read all of the replies to this thread. I, personally, believe the idea of Bush being the anti-Christ is not only ridiculous, but an insult to the anti-Christ him/herself. Bush, I don't believe, is smart enough. Not only that, but isn't the anti-Christ, or for that matter, any evil, biblical figure, supposed to charismatic and have followers? He might be charismatic, I've never met the man in person myself, but, um, what followers? I think he's just a greedy idiot. He may very well bring an end to the modern world, but not necessarily in the biblical sense.
Furthermore, this discussion started out talking about Bush for a third term/extending this one? I honestly would not be surprised if we had total anarchy within a month of this happening (something I do NOT support). The American people would be irrate. If I couldn't leave this country, I would probably have to kill myself, no joke. I'm sure I'm not the only one who feels this strongly. So, personally, I don't believe he will have a third term OR lengthen this one; this country wouldn't have it.
And I honestly don't think the anti-Christ will come from America. We just think we're THAT important.

[ryangt2]

So whos gonna replace him then? who ever takes over has got to clean up the mess first and start to have good relations with the rest of the world

[Sammy56]

So whos gonna replace him then? who ever takes over has got to clean up the mess first and start to have good relations with the rest of the world
Well, whoever wins the election. Most likely, it will be the Democratic candidate because Americans are sick of the Republican leadership, but I could be wrong. Yeah, they are going to have some cleaning up to do, but it will eventually have to get done. It might even take a couple of Presidents to fix Bush's mistakes. Personally, I think he will go down as one of the worst Presidents ever.

[Ningishiddza]

Furthermore, this discussion started out talking about Bush for a third term/extending this one? I honestly would not be surprised if we had total anarchy within a month of this happening (something I do NOT support).

Think through it again. Martial law would be declared. There would be no anarchy. Most Americans are sheeple anyway and would do whatever they were told to do, regardless of how ridiculous it was, especially if they were guaranteed fuel for their SUVs and a continuous stream of reality shows.


The American people would be irrate. If I couldn't leave this country, I would probably have to kill myself, no joke. I'm sure I'm not the only one who feels this strongly.

Some American people would be irate, and they would be irate while they were incarcerated in one of the many FEMA/Homelss Security detention centers located around the country.

The best way to be irate is to bite your tongue until you can get to Canada or Mexico and get a flight to elsewhere.

[Ningishiddza]

Most likely, it will be the Democratic candidate because Americans are sick of the Republican leadership, but I could be wrong.

That assumes that the Democrats actually field a bona fide candidate, which they have failed to do in the last 2 elections.

The Democratic candidate for governor of Ohio is leading the Republican in polls, but that doesn't always mean that Ohioans will support a Democratic presidential candidate. I think a lot of it will rest on how well the economy is doing six months just before the election.

There were reportedly numerous problems and irregularities with the new electronic voting machines, but even so, the remaining 60 odd counties or so were ordered to abandon their punch card ballots and get the new machines.

Ohio now has a new ID card law and that will be interesting because it means that many of the illegal aliens won't be able to vote.

[Raptor Witness]

OK, I've tried my best to read all of the replies to this thread. I, personally, believe the idea of Bush being the anti-Christ is not only ridiculous, but an insult to the anti-Christ him/herself. Bush, I don't believe, is smart enough. Not only that, but isn't the anti-Christ, or for that matter, any evil, biblical figure, supposed to charismatic and have followers? He might be charismatic, I've never met the man in person myself, but, um, what followers? I think he's just a greedy idiot. He may very well bring an end to the modern world, but not necessarily in the biblical sense.
Furthermore, this discussion started out talking about Bush for a third term/extending this one? I honestly would not be surprised if we had total anarchy within a month of this happening (something I do NOT support). The American people would be irrate. If I couldn't leave this country, I would probably have to kill myself, no joke. I'm sure I'm not the only one who feels this strongly. So, personally, I don't believe he will have a third term OR lengthen this one; this country wouldn't have it.
And I honestly don't think the anti-Christ will come from America. We just think we're THAT important.Great argument Needle. So good, I have nothing to say, except welcome to the forum.