loganosborne
Jul 13th, 2006, 4:17 AM
I was just wondering what the mayan calender is all about? Also why do people think in 2012 the end of the world will happen the calender just ends it doesnt say the end of the world or does it?
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Perfectionist
Jul 13th, 2006, 7:32 AM
It (possibly!) points to a major change in humanity/world/universe ..... some say it might be the end, others say it might be the dawn of a new beginning etc etc
Guess we'll find out soon enough :)
Guess we'll find out soon enough :)
Scrapyard Ape
Jul 13th, 2006, 8:41 AM
The Mayan calandar ends in 2012. The end of the world is stuff others have tacked on to add drama. :grin
loganosborne
Jul 18th, 2006, 4:31 AM
The Mayan calandar ends in 2012. The end of the world is stuff others have tacked on to add drama. :grin
Why do they have to add drama. It's pretty interesting anyway.
Why do they have to add drama. It's pretty interesting anyway.
Scrapyard Ape
Jul 18th, 2006, 8:24 AM
Why do they have to add drama. It's pretty interesting anyway.
Come on Logan. Just look around these forums. Every earthquake is "A precursor to the BIG ONE". Every volcanic eruption is "The next Supervolcano". Every metorite or asteroid sighting is a "portent of DOOOM!" Every incident or accident has a "giant cover up" behind it. If one does not support someone's position on a certain topic, then one is automatically viewed as "100 percent actively opposing" EVERY position that person may take.
All those things are interesting, yet people feel the need to hype the worst case scenario. Why? Hell if I know. I'd probably make a fortune if I knew.
Come on Logan. Just look around these forums. Every earthquake is "A precursor to the BIG ONE". Every volcanic eruption is "The next Supervolcano". Every metorite or asteroid sighting is a "portent of DOOOM!" Every incident or accident has a "giant cover up" behind it. If one does not support someone's position on a certain topic, then one is automatically viewed as "100 percent actively opposing" EVERY position that person may take.
All those things are interesting, yet people feel the need to hype the worst case scenario. Why? Hell if I know. I'd probably make a fortune if I knew.
Raptor Witness
Jul 20th, 2006, 3:03 AM
I was just wondering what the mayan calender is all about? Also why do people think in 2012 the end of the world will happen the calender just ends it doesnt say the end of the world or does it?Archaeologists are still unsure what cycle they were following in order to come up with this. They were very keen on Venus, and the odd thing is that they miscalculated the orbit of Venus, and it's unclear why. There are many mysteries surrounding the Mayans, which were compounded when the Catholic priests burned most of their books. This was one of the greatest crimes in human history. Very few of their books survived.
Remember, the Aztecs knew the white man was coming. How did they know this, unless by spiritual means?
Remember, the Aztecs knew the white man was coming. How did they know this, unless by spiritual means?
uki
Dec 10th, 2006, 11:12 AM
i believe the mayans based their calender on the solar cycles of the sun... remember in the last days the sun will sorch mankind. pay attention to the news and the sun, it's beginning to happen...
Perfectionist
Dec 10th, 2006, 1:14 PM
Could be true Uki ..... however modern Physics and Cosmology state that the Sun has still got a few billion years left to go !! :Bott:
uki
Dec 10th, 2006, 6:40 PM
Could be true Uki ..... however modern Physics and Cosmology state that the Sun has still got a few billion years left to go !! :Bott:the mayans were not perdicting the end of the sun, but merely a cycle of completion... when the cycles comes to its end i believe there will be in fact a very powerful surge in energy from the sun... this energy blast will greatly affect the solar system and all life in it. what to expect is bit of a mystery, but from what i have gleaned it has to do with an influx of energy emitting from sun that will sorch the planet; for lack of a better word, and then of course the cycle will begin anew... the affects will be devasting from a certain point of view, yet it will be a cleansing aswell... a purge and refinement by fire... of course this is only specualtion, but with all the recent solar activity(ask protostar), seems to me that this scenario is highly probable. this would explain the prophecies of old, the crazy weather, fires from heaven... the judgement of the gods or god, depending on ones belief structure.
RavenWhitefang
Dec 10th, 2006, 7:12 PM
AO's own Mayan calendar write up (http://www.armageddononline.org/mayan.php)
Its my story and im sticking to it, no need to repeat it.
Its my story and im sticking to it, no need to repeat it.
uki
Dec 10th, 2006, 7:14 PM
it's all about the energy and the light... together they bring about change.
Ningishiddza
Mar 25th, 2007, 1:27 AM
I was just wondering what the mayan calender is all about? Also why do people think in 2012 the end of the world will happen the calender just ends it doesnt say the end of the world or does it?
While you're at it, you can wonder why all of the idiots focus on the Mayan calendar, to the exclusion of all other calendars.
To hear them talk, the Mayans invented the calendar and it is the only one of its kind. I assure you that both of those statements are false. They Mayan calendar is not the only one of its kind and the Mayans did not invent it.
All civilizations in Central/South America used calendar rounds, and the Mayans, who were late comers, merely borrowed it from another older previously existing civilization.
There's also another important distinction to note. The Mayans never claimed it to be the end of time and no one can prove otherwise. The Mayans merely claimed that it is the end of an Age. In this instance, they allege it to be the end of the "Age of the Sun."
Prior to the Age of the Sun coming to an end, 4 other ages also came to an end.
The other four "ages" that came to an end were:
The Age of the White Haired Giants
The Age of the Sun
The Age of the Jaguar
The Age of the Wind
The Age of the Water
The Age of the Red Haired Giants
The Age of Heroes
The Age of Kings
The Age of Primitive Man
The Age of Gold
The Age of the Black-Haired People
The Age of Giants
The Age of the Wind Serpent
The Age of Bearded Gods
The Age of the Red Haired People
The first thing you'll notice is that there are more than 4 ages. That's because the many of the civilizations who came before the Mayans and existed at the time of the Mayans use a different sequence and call their ages differing things. But, they all used the same calendar round which the Mayans borrowed.
For the Aztecs, it was the Age of White Haired Giants, the Age of Gold, the Age of the Red-Haired People and the Age of the Black-Haired People, with the fifth age being the Age of the Sun.
For the Incans, it was the Age of Giants, the Age of Primitive Man, the Age of Heroes, and the Age of Kings, with the 5th age being the Age of the Sun.
For older civilizations, its't the Age of the Sun, the Age of Ice, then usually followed by the ages of giants or one of the colored-haired giants or people.
One of the pre-Andean civilizations has the order as the Age of the Sun, the Age of Ice, the Age of Water, the Age of Wind and the fifth age is the Age of the Sun yet again.
I would suggest that's in reference to the end of an inter-glacial period, the end of the ice age, the Deluge, some local calamity, then the Age of the Sun, ie the end of the current inter-glacial period.
I get the distinct impression that a lot of people just don't get it, so, here's a pictorial representation:
http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i134/ningishiddza/Glaciers.gif
See all the lovely ice and glaciers? Folks, that is your planet and your home. That is your planet in its normal state.
The Earth is NOT normally warm and balmy as it is now. This is an aberration, specifically, it is an "inter-glacial period." I'm not sure which part of "inter-glacial period" people don't understand, but quite simply it means that we are in a brief period when the Earth isn't like the Earth pictured above.
And in 2012, the current inter-glacial period is going to come to an end. The Mayans and many others weren't totally stupid. They knew of the existence of many cycles related to both climate and astronomy.
The Miklantovich Cycle, which is actually 3 major climate cycles, plus 3 additional minor climate cycles all come together coinciding in 2012.
I believe it is late in 2011 that the Earth reaches maximum perihelion. The Earth will be as close to the Sun as it will ever get. From that point on, the Earth will move steadily away from its near circular orbit to a more elongated elliptical orbit, and it will become very cold on Earth, with lot's of snow and ice and glaciers.
If you come back to Earth about 50,000 years from now, there won't be anyone or anything in Canada, except a sheet of ice about 1.5 miles thick. 50,000 years after that, the Earth will look like the picture above, then the Earth will enter a new inter-glacial period and warm up a bit.
There's nothing mystical or magical about the end of the "Age of the Sun."
While you're at it, you can wonder why all of the idiots focus on the Mayan calendar, to the exclusion of all other calendars.
To hear them talk, the Mayans invented the calendar and it is the only one of its kind. I assure you that both of those statements are false. They Mayan calendar is not the only one of its kind and the Mayans did not invent it.
All civilizations in Central/South America used calendar rounds, and the Mayans, who were late comers, merely borrowed it from another older previously existing civilization.
There's also another important distinction to note. The Mayans never claimed it to be the end of time and no one can prove otherwise. The Mayans merely claimed that it is the end of an Age. In this instance, they allege it to be the end of the "Age of the Sun."
Prior to the Age of the Sun coming to an end, 4 other ages also came to an end.
The other four "ages" that came to an end were:
The Age of the White Haired Giants
The Age of the Sun
The Age of the Jaguar
The Age of the Wind
The Age of the Water
The Age of the Red Haired Giants
The Age of Heroes
The Age of Kings
The Age of Primitive Man
The Age of Gold
The Age of the Black-Haired People
The Age of Giants
The Age of the Wind Serpent
The Age of Bearded Gods
The Age of the Red Haired People
The first thing you'll notice is that there are more than 4 ages. That's because the many of the civilizations who came before the Mayans and existed at the time of the Mayans use a different sequence and call their ages differing things. But, they all used the same calendar round which the Mayans borrowed.
For the Aztecs, it was the Age of White Haired Giants, the Age of Gold, the Age of the Red-Haired People and the Age of the Black-Haired People, with the fifth age being the Age of the Sun.
For the Incans, it was the Age of Giants, the Age of Primitive Man, the Age of Heroes, and the Age of Kings, with the 5th age being the Age of the Sun.
For older civilizations, its't the Age of the Sun, the Age of Ice, then usually followed by the ages of giants or one of the colored-haired giants or people.
One of the pre-Andean civilizations has the order as the Age of the Sun, the Age of Ice, the Age of Water, the Age of Wind and the fifth age is the Age of the Sun yet again.
I would suggest that's in reference to the end of an inter-glacial period, the end of the ice age, the Deluge, some local calamity, then the Age of the Sun, ie the end of the current inter-glacial period.
I get the distinct impression that a lot of people just don't get it, so, here's a pictorial representation:
http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i134/ningishiddza/Glaciers.gif
See all the lovely ice and glaciers? Folks, that is your planet and your home. That is your planet in its normal state.
The Earth is NOT normally warm and balmy as it is now. This is an aberration, specifically, it is an "inter-glacial period." I'm not sure which part of "inter-glacial period" people don't understand, but quite simply it means that we are in a brief period when the Earth isn't like the Earth pictured above.
And in 2012, the current inter-glacial period is going to come to an end. The Mayans and many others weren't totally stupid. They knew of the existence of many cycles related to both climate and astronomy.
The Miklantovich Cycle, which is actually 3 major climate cycles, plus 3 additional minor climate cycles all come together coinciding in 2012.
I believe it is late in 2011 that the Earth reaches maximum perihelion. The Earth will be as close to the Sun as it will ever get. From that point on, the Earth will move steadily away from its near circular orbit to a more elongated elliptical orbit, and it will become very cold on Earth, with lot's of snow and ice and glaciers.
If you come back to Earth about 50,000 years from now, there won't be anyone or anything in Canada, except a sheet of ice about 1.5 miles thick. 50,000 years after that, the Earth will look like the picture above, then the Earth will enter a new inter-glacial period and warm up a bit.
There's nothing mystical or magical about the end of the "Age of the Sun."
Protostar
Mar 30th, 2007, 9:09 PM
Part of the 2012 mystique stems from the stars. On the winter solstice in 2012, the sun will be aligned with the center of the Milky Way for the first time in about 26,000 years. This means that "whatever energy typically streams to Earth from the center of the Milky Way will indeed be disrupted on 12/21/12 at 11:11 p.m. Universal Time
just remember: time is an oscillation of matter. All clocks/calendars are calculated on the matter at hand. If the matter changes, then time changes.
This is a key to understanding how the ancients calculated time. They knew that the matter in which time was calculated <solar system> will change at this time.
2012.
article here:
http://www.usatoday.com/tech/science/2007-03-27-maya-2012_N.htm
just remember: time is an oscillation of matter. All clocks/calendars are calculated on the matter at hand. If the matter changes, then time changes.
This is a key to understanding how the ancients calculated time. They knew that the matter in which time was calculated <solar system> will change at this time.
2012.
article here:
http://www.usatoday.com/tech/science/2007-03-27-maya-2012_N.htm
Ningishiddza
Mar 31st, 2007, 9:39 PM
Part of the 2012 mystique stems from the stars. On the winter solstice in 2012, the sun will be aligned with the center of the Milky Way for the first time in about 26,000 years. This means that "whatever energy typically streams to Earth from the center of the Milky Way will indeed be disrupted on 12/21/12 at 11:11 p.m. Universal Time
just remember: time is an oscillation of matter. All clocks/calendars are calculated on the matter at hand. If the matter changes, then time changes.
This is a key to understanding how the ancients calculated time. They knew that the matter in which time was calculated <solar system> will change at this time.
2012.
You people never fail to amaze me.
I'll see if I can explain this in a way that all of you can easily understand.
A show of hands, how many of you have seen the Sun with your own naked eyes?
Put your hands down.
None of you have ever seen the Sun with your own naked eyes. Don't feel bad, no human living or dead has ever seen the Sun with their own naked eyes. When you look at the Sun, you're looking at where the Sun used to be, not where the Sun actually is (it's actually 4' of arc away from where it appears to be).
If we take this to the next level, you aren't actually looking at a star, you're looking at where the star used to be. In fact, the star may not even exist anymore. It could have blinked out or gone nova/supernova. Depending on the star's distance from earth, it might be 20 to 100 Million years before you discover the star ain't there anymore.
That's all because of the distance/time light takes to travel to earth.
Now, the Milky Way Center. Maybe it's still there, maybe it isn't. You wouldn't know because you're looking at where the Milky Way used to be, not where it is.
If you didn't figure it out yet, your mystical magical great galactic peace alien transformation subconscious genital alignment shift already happened. It happened almost 10 years ago.
To further ruin everyone's spirits, the date of 12/21/12 can only occur if you believe the Long Count Date is 26,000 years. Just one problem, while no one is really sure how long a single precessional cycle takes and they evidence is that it varies just slightly, it ain't 26,000 years. It would be somewhere between 25,200 and 25,600 years. So by accepting the 26,000 year Long Count, you just admitted the Mayans aren't the great calendar whizzes everyone thinks they are.
Then there's froggie. The froggie in Central/South American mythology is birth, not death. The only thing the Mayans (and others) would be saying is that one precessional cycle has ended and another is beginning. 5 cycles will have been completed.
BTW, how long would 5 precessional cycles be? More or less about 127,000 years.
That's strange. All the scholars say homo sapiens appeared about 120,000 years or so ago.
just remember: time is an oscillation of matter. All clocks/calendars are calculated on the matter at hand. If the matter changes, then time changes.
This is a key to understanding how the ancients calculated time. They knew that the matter in which time was calculated <solar system> will change at this time.
2012.
You people never fail to amaze me.
I'll see if I can explain this in a way that all of you can easily understand.
A show of hands, how many of you have seen the Sun with your own naked eyes?
Put your hands down.
None of you have ever seen the Sun with your own naked eyes. Don't feel bad, no human living or dead has ever seen the Sun with their own naked eyes. When you look at the Sun, you're looking at where the Sun used to be, not where the Sun actually is (it's actually 4' of arc away from where it appears to be).
If we take this to the next level, you aren't actually looking at a star, you're looking at where the star used to be. In fact, the star may not even exist anymore. It could have blinked out or gone nova/supernova. Depending on the star's distance from earth, it might be 20 to 100 Million years before you discover the star ain't there anymore.
That's all because of the distance/time light takes to travel to earth.
Now, the Milky Way Center. Maybe it's still there, maybe it isn't. You wouldn't know because you're looking at where the Milky Way used to be, not where it is.
If you didn't figure it out yet, your mystical magical great galactic peace alien transformation subconscious genital alignment shift already happened. It happened almost 10 years ago.
To further ruin everyone's spirits, the date of 12/21/12 can only occur if you believe the Long Count Date is 26,000 years. Just one problem, while no one is really sure how long a single precessional cycle takes and they evidence is that it varies just slightly, it ain't 26,000 years. It would be somewhere between 25,200 and 25,600 years. So by accepting the 26,000 year Long Count, you just admitted the Mayans aren't the great calendar whizzes everyone thinks they are.
Then there's froggie. The froggie in Central/South American mythology is birth, not death. The only thing the Mayans (and others) would be saying is that one precessional cycle has ended and another is beginning. 5 cycles will have been completed.
BTW, how long would 5 precessional cycles be? More or less about 127,000 years.
That's strange. All the scholars say homo sapiens appeared about 120,000 years or so ago.
Astroboy
Apr 1st, 2007, 12:36 AM
Part of the 2012 mystique stems from the stars. On the winter solstice in 2012, the sun will be aligned with the center of the Milky Way for the first time in about 26,000 years. This means that "whatever energy typically streams to Earth from the center of the Milky Way will indeed be disrupted on 12/21/12 at 11:11 p.m. Universal Time
just remember: time is an oscillation of matter. All clocks/calendars are calculated on the matter at hand. If the matter changes, then time changes.
This is a key to understanding how the ancients calculated time. They knew that the matter in which time was calculated <solar system> will change at this time.
2012.
article here:
http://www.usatoday.com/tech/science/2007-03-27-maya-2012_N.htm
I hope we're wrong on this, but I won't hold against you cuz those numbers seemed pretty fateful to me.
:nibble:
The years seem long but only a few years ahead of us. We'd need to know lil more about this so we can prepare while the underlying problems cloud us.
:dead:
Peak Oil, Global Warming and the last thing we'd listen or know about is 2012!
:po:
just remember: time is an oscillation of matter. All clocks/calendars are calculated on the matter at hand. If the matter changes, then time changes.
This is a key to understanding how the ancients calculated time. They knew that the matter in which time was calculated <solar system> will change at this time.
2012.
article here:
http://www.usatoday.com/tech/science/2007-03-27-maya-2012_N.htm
I hope we're wrong on this, but I won't hold against you cuz those numbers seemed pretty fateful to me.
:nibble:
The years seem long but only a few years ahead of us. We'd need to know lil more about this so we can prepare while the underlying problems cloud us.
:dead:
Peak Oil, Global Warming and the last thing we'd listen or know about is 2012!
:po:
lazserus
Apr 3rd, 2007, 8:02 PM
Temporarily closed in order to decide proper residence. This is not a question for scientific experts, but an opinionated one.
The scientific answer is among the first: The Mayans ended their calendar at 2012 because they felt the world would never reach that date. Most ignore the period the calendar was created. Thus we feel there was some prophecy. This particular topic requires LEGITIMATE research, so it is closed for now.
The scientific answer is among the first: The Mayans ended their calendar at 2012 because they felt the world would never reach that date. Most ignore the period the calendar was created. Thus we feel there was some prophecy. This particular topic requires LEGITIMATE research, so it is closed for now.
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