9/11 25 Post Drill

[bbbv3.5]

This is how the thread works. Posts 1-25 will be about one topic on 911. People can debate it back and forth for 25 posts. Once those are up, the next 26-50 posts will boast another 911 Topic.

You need to present information and fact for each topic! You can't just say "Because it is" or "Your stupid" or immature remarks like that.

First 911 TOPIC

Was the Pentagon hit by a Boeing 747. If so, what did hit it?

[grendel 13]

from what i've seen on the videos it doesn't really look like a 747 to me it seems too small, that could be due to the rate of speed however, maybe the video was too slow and that's all it picked up, who knows, but it does seem really small to be a 747. also there's a nice round hole, what happened to the wings, they should have done some structural damage, or at least been knocked off and laying on the ground in front of the building.

[Justice]

This is how the thread works. Posts 1-25 will be about one topic on 911. People can debate it back and forth for 25 posts. Once those are up, the next 26-50 posts will boast another 911 Topic.

This is because it’s the story of the century and each day a little more of the puzzle falls into place and people are starting to see the big picture and make the link to current events happening to oil prices, who profits and the war in the Lebanon.

Why do you complain about the number of threads, you make more posts than most of us on this subject.

Back to the subject

I don’t think it was a drone as many people seem to say but I’m dam sure it was not a 747 or anything of similar size and I found it so strange at the time that the fires were allowed to burn for days as this showed the world how incompetent the US authorities were and was a point of national pride.

Now I know why it was allowed to burn for so long but I’m sure you will debate how even with the best resources in the world the government was not able to put out a fire, must be the type of wood used in the building I’m sure.

[bbbv3.5]

Conspiracy Hole Size: 16 Feet

Actual Hole Size: 70-90 Feet.

The hole wasn't a round "hole". The round 16 foot hole was that of the main part of the plane.

Now when a plane goes into a structure at 500 MPH into concrete the weakest parts of the plane will fall off. This means the ends of the wings, and the tail all were torn into peices as it came into the building. This test has been done before 911 and after 911 and usually the whole plane is obliterated upon impact and makes no dent. But because a Boeing 757 is such a big automobile it plowed through the building with only its weakest parts to be obliterated. So this means 70-90 feet of the plane could make a hole or indent in the building. There is a 16 foot hole (where the center of the plane went in) and a 50-70 foot wings span around it.

http://www.signs-of-the-times.org/signs/above_top_secret_files/image004.jpg

See how they are hosing down the bottom of the pentagon away from the whole. This is where the wings impacted and it scraped the first floor of the pentagon on an angle.

Secondly, the lamposts. They all fell out or were torn in half by the wings. A missle did this? A small plane couldn't have done this because some of the posts were 100 feet away.

Rebuddle?

[Now]

All we need is the video footage of the plane flying in. Between the traffic cameras and the Pentagon security cameras there must be at least a dozen different angles to choose from. Then there's the Sheraton camera and the gas station camera. Citizens of the US only need to demand that they be shown the footage, and this part of the 9/11 puzzle can finally be laid to rest. Then they can explain why a C-130 military cargo plane was flying 30 seconds behind whatever went into the Pentagon, as seen by eye witnesses....for example, Allen Cleveland....


Soon after the crash (Within 30 seconds of the crash) I witnessed a military cargo plane (Possibly a C130) fly over the crash site and circle the mushroom cloud. My brother inlaw also witnessed the same plane following the jet while he was on the HOV lanes in Springfield. He said that he saw a jetliner flying low over the tree tops near Seminary RD in Springfield, VA. and soon afterwards a military plane was seen flying right behind it. I think this was also a reason for the false threat of another plane about to crash which caused rescuers to have to evacuate for a short time after the initial crash. I have done my research onthis and according to time magazine it took 24 minutes before Norad was supposedly notified about this particuliar jet and fighters were scrambling to intercept at that time. Isn't it odd how there is Not a single mention of this aircraft in ANY of the articles written about this crash? Also if you had not noticed... There is not a single picture or live footage of the actual jet prior to its crash at the Pentagon. Nor is there any of the one that crashed in Pennsylvania. But if Anyone who rides the metro-rail knows, there are plenty of Video cameras all around National airport at the parking Garages and the high level security buildings found all around Crystal city

And Scott P Cook...


[We didn't know what kind of plane had hit the Pentagon, or where it had hit. Later, we were told that] it was a 757 out of Dulles, which had come up the river in back of our building, turned sharply over the Capitol, ran past the White House and the Washington Monument, up the river to Rosslyn, then dropped to treetop level and ran down Washington Boulevard to the Pentagon (...) As we watched the black plume gather strength, less than a minute after the explosion, we saw an odd sight that no one else has yet commented on. Directly in back of the plume, which would place it almost due west from our office, a four-engine propeller plane, which Ray later said resembled a C-130, started a steep decent towards the Pentagon. It was coming from an odd direction (planes don't go east-west in the area), and it was descending at a much steeper angle than most aircraft. Trailing a thin, diffuse black trail from its engines, the plane reached the Pentagon at a low altitude and made a sharp left turn, passing just north of the plume, and headed straight for the White House. All the while, I was sort of talking at it: "Who the hell are you? Where are you going? You're not headed for downtown!" Ray and Verle watched it with me, and I was convinced it was another attack. But right over the tidal basin, at an altitude of less than 1000 feet, it made another sharp left turn to the north and climbed rapidly. Soon it was gone, leaving only the thin black trail.

Hopefully, when the government release the video footage (its been 5 years, so it should be any day now) we will all be able to see this military plane which was following as well, which will no doubt make for fascinating viewing.


Now.

[grendel 13]

see that's what gets me, why won't they show all the videos, if it happened like they said it did than the videos should support that, yet they still hide the footage, WHY? if there is nothing to hide than why hide it. give me a good reason, and don't say national securtiy cause releasing the videos wouldn't hurt security in the slightest, unless it shows something different from what the gov. is saying.

[bbbv3.5]

I think they were played for the Commission Report and were shown to family members from the pentagon.

[grendel 13]

so why can't the rest of america see them? it would sure shut up all the conspiracy theorists.

[Now]

I think they were played for the Commission Report and were shown to family members from the pentagon.

Do you? And what exactly makes you think that? And do you think they played them for the families of the passengers on the plane as well?

If this were the case, which is dubious to say the least since it is the Pentagon and the 9/11 Commission and NORAD who are all under suspicion of lying, then they would also have seen the military cargo plane which was seen by eye witnesses to have been following behind whatever flew into the Pentagon. In which case it would have been reported in the 9/11 Commission report. Which of course it wasn't. There is no mention of the C-130 in the official report.

I would be interested to hear your explanation for this. You might also need to substantiate your "thought" that the videos have been shown. Perhaps then you can explain why the government wouldn't show the videos to the rest of the world who are seriously doubting their validity. The 5 frames released would more strongly suggest that they are trying to hide something.


Now.

[bbbv3.5]

If they were trying to hide something they wouldn't release anything ;).

[bbbv3.5]

A report came for Reagan National.

Reagan National controllers then vectored the nearest non passenger plane, an unarmed National Guard C130H cargo aircraft, which had just taken off en route to Minnesota, to identify and follow the supspicious aircraft.

The C-130H pilot spotted it, identified it as a Boeing 757, attempted to follow its path, and at 9:38 AM, seconds after impact, reported to the control tower: "looks like that aircraft crashed into the pentagon sir". (911 Commision Report)

[D34DGuY]

BBB, you have got to be in the most denial of anyone I have ever heard trying to support the retarded government account of this. There is no way that a 757 crashed into the pentagon. At the very least there would be the large royce engines at the impact site, and those were nowhere to be found....

BBB I do understand why your in such denial, its alot easier to believe that 19 islamic extremists carried it out, working in conjuncture with a terrorist ring leader.
Its about time you start to face the disturbing facts, and you will come to realize the obviousness of the lies that have been given to us by our so called protectors.

Terrorism has been used by our government many times...its documented and not denied....yet you still feel that its impossible that they would do it again? Anyways I tend to ignore your posts on this topic because you prove nothing. Just as you put it straws grasp, on the situation at hand. Pankace theory is just that, a theory and is in now way credible. Building 7 is the largest stink about this whole thing. Even an expert on controlled demoltions would have to admit that was a specatular job.

Not meant to attack you personally, but as I said I have never seen anyone so desperate to prove the governent true. You spent alot of time trying to debunk the FACTS, I just find that really funny.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3710767957407328313
Here is just some of the documented accounts of government sponcered terrorism. I suggest that you watch it BBB, and perhaps you can then reasses the event.

I am sure also that many believe that most of the supporting comments and evidence in the commision report is fabricated....

[Now]

A report came for Reagan National.

Reagan National controllers then vectored the nearest non passenger plane, an unarmed National Guard C130H cargo aircraft, which had just taken off en route to Minnesota, to identify and follow the supspicious aircraft.

The C-130H pilot spotted it, identified it as a Boeing 757, attempted to follow its path, and at 9:38 AM, seconds after impact, reported to the control tower: "looks like that aircraft crashed into the pentagon sir". (911 Commision Report)

My apologies. These two sentences regarding the C130 do appear in the report, my mistake. The irony of this of course is that NORAD, the US military and the FAA were able to combine to organize a tail for whatever flew into the Pentagon, an UNARMED MILITARY CARGO PLANE, but they were unable to scramble fighter jets which would have easily had the speed to catch up to a 757, not just trail uselessly behind it whilst the US was supposedly under attack, getting close enough to identify the alleged aircraft and say, Yep, its crashed into the Pentagon, sir!

You haven't yet revealed your sources for your belief that the footage has been shown to specific individuals.

Your supposition that the US government wouldn't show anything if they were trying to hide something doesn't hold water, because as it stands, the 5 frames they have released essentially show nothing conclusive anyway, but at least they can say "we have released the video." All this proves is that they do have video footage, but that they are not going to show it to the public. This only contributes to the suspicion that they are hiding something.


Now.

[bbbv3.5]

Thats because the fighter jets were on daily practice route down to South Carolina. First, of all, why would they get fighter jets to destroy the plane when their are innocent Americans in their. They weren't sure if the plane was headed for a structure at the time, until WTC 1 and 2 was hit. Thats when they ordered fighters jets to go to New York and Washington.

In a normal hijacking, you dont take out the plane because usually all the hijackers want is money, not to slam the plane into a structure.

No engines? No peices of 77?

http://911myths.com/html/pentagon_2.html
http://911myths.com/html/pentagon_3.html
http://911myths.com/html/pentagon_5.html
http://911myths.com/html/pentagon_11.html
http://911myths.com/html/pentagon_7.html
http://911myths.com/html/pentagon_6.html

I want you both to explain this.

[grendel 13]

did YOU even read the titles to most of those pictures? they have question marks after them, suggesting even they don't know if that is what they are exactly, also the compressor disc, it's subtitle says that is hotly disputed. oh and i'm supposed to belive that's tire tread because the picture says so and points to some junk with a nice yellow arrow?

so let's say that it really went down like the gov. says it did, than that means those we've elected to protect us did a damn sh*tty job. in any other industry they would've been fired immedietly. there incompetence is way worse than thinking they did it themselves. at least if they did do it it shows they are intelligent and not clueless jacka$$es.

p.s. why is it that clinton lied about getting a hummer and everyone called for his removal, they even impeached him in one of the houses, but bush lies about wmd's and the threat saddam posed, as well as his connection to al quaeda, but nothing happens?

[D34DGuY]

Thats because the fighter jets were on daily practice route down to South Carolina. First, of all, why would they get fighter jets to destroy the plane when their are innocent Americans in their. They weren't sure if the plane was headed for a structure at the time, until WTC 1 and 2 was hit. Thats when they ordered fighters jets to go to New York and Washington.

In a normal hijacking, you dont take out the plane because usually all the hijackers want is money, not to slam the plane into a structure.

No engines? No peices of 77?

http://911myths.com/html/pentagon_2.html
http://911myths.com/html/pentagon_3.html
http://911myths.com/html/pentagon_5.html
http://911myths.com/html/pentagon_11.html
http://911myths.com/html/pentagon_7.html
http://911myths.com/html/pentagon_6.html

I want you both to explain this.


ROFLMFAO, watch loose change, all those pieces you have shown are nothing from a 757, and the bogus piece of "A" plane that they claim to be from an american airlines flight could be from anything, and if what they say was true that the entire plane and passengers where incinerated from the intense heat (which is total nonsense!) I do not think that that piece of debree would look so clean and intact.

Do some reasearch on any other plane crash and you will see that by comparision to ANY other instance that what are you looking at is not from any 757...

[D34DGuY]

did YOU even read the titles to most of those pictures? they have question marks after them, suggesting even they don't know if that is what they are exactly, also the compressor disc, it's subtitle says that is hotly disputed. oh and i'm supposed to belive that's tire tread because the picture says so and points to some junk with a nice yellow arrow?

so let's say that it really went down like the gov. says it did, than that means those we've elected to protect us did a damn sh*tty job. in any other industry they would've been fired immedietly. there incompetence is way worse than thinking they did it themselves. at least if they did do it it shows they are intelligent and not clueless jacka$$es.

p.s. why is it that clinton lied about getting a hummer and everyone called for his removal, they even impeached him in one of the houses, but bush lies about wmd's and the threat saddam posed, as well as his connection to al quaeda, but nothing happens?

That is a great point, IF it were possible that the government where innocent then yes, some serious punishments should have been in order for those responsible for the absurd failure to defend our nation. The fact that there was none, gives more reason to believe that they are involved in it to some degree.....*cough* Inside job *cough*

[bbbv3.5]

D34D, why dont you show your own information rather than saying how I was wrong. I want links and pictures. Not go watch that film because I have seen more than you will ever see.

[Justice]

I think they were played for the Commission Report and were shown to family members from the pentagon.

So why is it that now, years later that many of the family members do not believe the official story and would you agree it would be easy for an Hollywood studio to produce a small clip that would fool most normal people seeing it for the first time but not so good as to fool other professionals in the movie industry.

I would also like you to explain why members of the commission have now asked for an investigation into the CIA and FEMA after they found that they had not just be miss lead but deliberately lied too.


If they were trying to hide something they wouldn't release anything ;).

This is what they want to do but we are not letting them get away with it so they are playing a game and hopeing it will go away, how wrong they are.


No engines? No peices of 77?

Yes engines but too small to come from the plane thay say hit the pentagon.

Strange the fires burnt for 3 days before it could be put out don't you think

[Now]

Thats because the fighter jets were on daily practice route down to South Carolina. First, of all, why would they get fighter jets to destroy the plane when their are innocent Americans in their. They weren't sure if the plane was headed for a structure at the time, until WTC 1 and 2 was hit. Thats when they ordered fighters jets to go to New York and Washington. In a normal hijacking, you dont take out the plane because usually all the hijackers want is money, not to slam the plane into a structure.

Once the first tower had been hit, it was obvious to everyone, apart from NORAD, the FAA and the US military, that these subsequent hijackings were not about asking for money. NORAD changed their story 3 times between 9/11 and the Commission report to attempt to make their timeline fit. That is why they are about to find themselves in deep water, because they lied, and the Pentagon knew they lied. If you had to weigh up bringing down a less than half full plane, or a world trade center tower and a hit on the Pentagon or possibly the White House, the decision would be fairly clear. This is something they have trained for since the golden age of hijackings in the 1970's.

When you say "the fighter jets," are you implying that the only available fighter jets were predisposed? If so, wouldn't that make the US one of the poorest defended countries on the planet? I think you might find that there were more fighter jets available than you might think.


No engines? No peices of 77?

http://911myths.com/html/pentagon_2.html
http://911myths.com/html/pentagon_3.html
http://911myths.com/html/pentagon_5.html
http://911myths.com/html/pentagon_11.html
http://911myths.com/html/pentagon_7.html
http://911myths.com/html/pentagon_6.html

I want you both to explain this.

Explain what? A series of photographs with captions that say "This is hotly disputed" and "this could be" and "this was found in the C or D ring of the Pentagon." These photographs do nothing for your argument. It is only because you see something that looks like what you desperately want to believe. Show us the video footage of the plane flying into the Pentagon, and let 100 independent foreign investigators examine the footage to establish its untampered validity, that will do it!

In your opening post, you stated


You need to present information and fact for each topic!

In a later post, in reference to the lack of video footage of the Pentagon attack, you stated


I think they were played for the Commission Report and were shown to family members from the pentagon.

I will ask for a third time, could you please present some form of information or fact for this topic? Otherwise, it would seem that you are stating an unsubstantiated opinion, which is potentially misleading.


Now.

[bbbv3.5]

http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/pentagon/index.html They prove a Boeing could go in. The only thing questioned is why isnt the government releasing the videos. But it proves that it very well could of been a boeing.

[D34DGuY]

I feel really bad for you....you are completely unwilling to accept this for what it is..
I am sure that the majority reading these posts agree.
If you read every other article concerning the pentagon...you will know this to be a pathetic attempt at the truth...Your really digging deep to find this kind of garbage, its scientifically impossible that a 757 could do the damage at the pentagon....

[Smoke]

yeah trust me i went through it with him before no mater what u tell the guy he will refuse to beleive it, so i just ignored it, theres no point pushing facts on some 1 who wont beleive it,

[bbbv3.5]

DE3D GUY! I HAVE RESEARCHED THIS 5X AS MUCH AS YOU HAVE!

Listen, I want to chat with you. Figure some way out, I need to prove to you, because I have done it with closed nuts like you before. I will show you videos, stats, pictures and evidence. I can't describe it in this thread.

Smoke, you dont post any evidence. You post a sentence and come out like a complete retard because you have the grammer of a two year old.

[D34DGuY]

Okay, sure we can chat sometime soon, not sure quite when but I will let you know, I will be pretty busy in the next few days. Perhaps I can make some time tomorrow night sometime after 9pm est. I would love to see the so called facts,videos, and evidence to support your claim.

[Justice]

DE3D GUY! I HAVE RESEARCHED THIS 5X AS MUCH AS YOU HAVE!

Listen, I want to chat with you. Figure some way out, I need to prove to you, because I have done it with closed nuts like you before. I will show you videos, stats, pictures and evidence. I can't describe it in this thread.



your not going to trot out the offical story are you now !

[Demonskates]

O.K. what im wondering,if this 757 had passengers,and it hit the pentagon,then there would be corpses,is there a way to varify if these people are missing,or dead,if that 757 the govt. is talking about slamed into the pentagon then there would be a bunch of dead folks to account for,or are the familys of these dead people making stuff up and lying for the govt.?
There has to be a way to prove if these people even existed through public records ect. find those people and youve got your answer if u ask me.

[Smoke]

was my post removed because it hurt your feeling lol..

[Einstein700]

Its all too suspicious, the plane that crashed into the pentagon just seemed to disappear (officially was supposed to of vaporised in the intense fires from the jet fuel, sure!), why is there so very small amounts of solid evidence to suggest a plane really did crash there? It doesn't happen and was totally unexpected (just like the WTC collapse), if there was plenty of evidence no one would of caused a fuss in the first place! But then look again at the plane crash in Shanksville - that just seemed to vanished too! A big crater, some smoke, but no plane. It would be easy to accept if this were an isolated case but i think this is probably more than just co-incidence.

Explosives on the plane perhaps? Its not impossible.. Look what happened last week with the banning of certain chemical products from planes. Perhaps all the flights involved had some chemical explosive cocktails or devices smuggled aboard.. who knows. :(

[D34DGuY]

Heh, there is no way that a hydro carbon (which is what jet fuel is) Vaporized 12 tons of royce engines which are made up of steel and TITANIUM alloy....there would be those massive engines found at the very least! And noi such thing, and what they claim to be an APU certainly wouldnt have survived it if the main engines didn't.....Anyone else think that the idea and that is all that it is...an IDEA! That a 757 crashed into the pentagon is stupid and not possible with modern science... based on the evidence to support such a bogus claim...

[bbbv3.5]

My aim is bogdav3.
My msn is caniwalkalloveru@aim.com

If you guys want to find out how the true story holds up please IM me.

[Justice]

My aim is bogdav3.
My msn is caniwalkalloveru@aim.com

If you guys want to find out how the true story holds up please IM me.

Why not tell us here !

you can do a lot of things with an IP address i'm told

[D34DGuY]

Heh, thats a pretty good point.

[Smoke]

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3249714675910247150&q=september+11

a statement by an engineer. eye witness reports. yeah. shut up and watch this, it provides ne clips that i just saw when i watched it i dont know if you have seen them and so,me clips from loose change

all compiled up into a nice video watch it

Ez

Oh and yes, it also shows how thermite will melt nitro glycerin

[Justice]

Only once has the inquiry been so delayed in modern history, and that was Hitlers burning of the Rheistaag (sp) building.

And the evidence was removed and sold on by a dubious company with history of this in the U.S.

People may not have the facts but that's because the facts were covered up.

Oh and the building didn't come down like a controlled explosion did it? as the firemen in the vicinity fully know and have been reported saying so.

Don't believe us, just think and research.

If your not a good citizen - well done - listen to the amazing stories that don't add up.

Many very intelligent people ask questions because the facts just don't add up. Please be a good citizen, videogoogle will help. just look for 911.

or see what people in the US ammy are saying (http://www.lonestaricon.com/absolutenm/anmviewer.asp?a=426&z=54)

[bbbv3.5]

You guys really are hypocrits. Lets put it this way Justice. And smoke, please stop responding because your posts make no sense, you can't spell, you come off like a complete retard, and you make the conspiracy cause look like a bunch of 1st graders who mixed up rum with lemonade.

Justice, you're a hypocrit. A cold hard hypocrit. Let me tell you why. You always say how terrible I am for beleving my government and being "fed" by them. Well you're doing the same. Everything Dylan Avery, Alex Jones and other conspiracists say you take as fact without researching it. If you want to believe straw man arguments go ahead. But since we are still talking about the pentagon let me go ahead with my debate on how a Boeing could fit into the pentagon.

http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/6656/suckmydickih6.th.png (http://img136.imageshack.us/my.php?image=suckmydickih6.png)

Now look at this video. http://www.jokaroo.com/extremevideos/plane_vs_wall.html

And btw, no one used the word incinerated in the 911 commision report except LooseChange. They use straw man arguments expecting the user not to look up any information and believe every peice of shit they are told. But you believe them.

[Justice]

Justice, you're a hypocrit. A cold hard hypocrit. Let me tell you why. You always say how terrible I am for beleving my government and being "fed" by them. Well you're doing the same.

You can always tell when someone has lost the debate when they use resort to personal insults and fail to answer questions directly posed to them with reasoned arguments.


Now look at this video. http://www.jokaroo.com/extremevideos/plane_vs_wall.html

Yes I’ve seen the clip before but surly you are not suggesting that a small fighter jet hitting a titanium reinforced concrete block use to protect nuclear power stations is the same as a 747 hitting the twin towers or the Pentagon are you.

You can also find images of a train hitting a fuel vessel used to transport nuclear waste around the world and guess what, the train comes off worse but that’s not to say you should pit your car against a train is it now.

Planes hitting buildings is nothing new and was you to do a little research you would find that they always leave a mass of wreckage and specifically you can see where the engines impacted the structures and wreckage all over the place.

is this little piece all you have to go on

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/Pentdebris.jpg

i could carry that using one finger and drop it were i like and when i liked.

[Smoke]

You guys really are hypocrits. Lets put it this way Justice. And smoke, please stop responding because your posts make no sense, you can't spell, you come off like a complete retard, and you make the conspiracy cause look like a bunch of 1st graders who mixed up rum with lemonade.

Justice, you're a hypocrit. A cold hard hypocrit. Let me tell you why. You always say how terrible I am for beleving my government and being "fed" by them. Well you're doing the same. Everything Dylan Avery, Alex Jones and other conspiracists say you take as fact without researching it. If you want to believe straw man arguments go ahead. But since we are still talking about the pentagon let me go ahead with my debate on how a Boeing could fit into the pentagon.

http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/6656/suckmydickih6.th.png (http://img136.imageshack.us/my.php?image=suckmydickih6.png)

Now look at this video. http://www.jokaroo.com/extremevideos/plane_vs_wall.html

And btw, no one used the word incinerated in the 911 commision report except LooseChange. They use straw man arguments expecting the user not to look up any information and believe every peice of shit they are told. But you believe them.

your a flamer, all i have seen from you now is stop posting. YOU LOST THIS a long time ago i think you need to stop posting on 9/11 because you get spanked every time, you don't stand a chance, and you say i don't post facts why should i when they have been presented to you a million times, ill post a video and thats all i need to do. so pull your thumb out of your ass ya goof and stop posting altogether because you get owned, bitch. You have nothing and you never did. i don't need to throw things in your face that have already been thrown in your face, don't you find it gets repetitive.

and by the way i will belive them. :gtfo:

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/july2006/240706General.htm here is a video of a retired general saying a plane did not hit the pentagon

http://prisonplanet.com/articles/july2006/100706squibs.htm i think you should take good look at this one too, and explaine that to me

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/july2006/010706casestudy.htm theres something that supports you theory and its quite laughable. look at the fuckin debris.

this is all just from one site, shall i go to the thousands of others? make sure u watch these before u post. ill be sure to get as many as i can and post them ok?
also for the record, i do not beleive in alex jones new world order bullshit thats just a bit... uhhh wack. but i do beleive there was more than meets the eye than what happend in 9/11. http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/august2006/230806wtccomplex.htm

why dont u read through that bbbv and shut up abou wtc7

WORLD TRADE CENTER 5 burned for days in a blazing inferno why didnt it collapse?

[bbbv3.5]

Listen to me you little fucking pussy shit. You think you're so great because you can read an article written in pidgeon english yet you don't understand half of what you're saying. I didn't tell Justice to shut up, I didn't tell Michayah or D34D guy to shut up. I told you. Because you're an idiot. We aren't talking about WTC yet are we??? We are talking about the pentagon. Idiots like you ruin this debate and you didnt give me a response to my post except "HAHHA THATS WRONG!". But yeah, you're beating me right?

[Smoke]

Listen to me you little fucking pussy shit. You think you're so great because you can read an article written in pidgeon english yet you don't understand half of what you're saying. I didn't tell Justice to shut up, I didn't tell Michayah or D34D guy to shut up. I told you. Because you're an idiot. We aren't talking about WTC yet are we??? We are talking about the pentagon. Idiots like you ruin this debate and you didnt give me a response to my post except "HAHHA THATS WRONG!". But yeah, you're beating me right?


seems to me like your getting angry.. lol did you watch the video of the retired general. or mabye the one supporting you theory thats quite laughable you fuckin lose. stop posting on 9/11 cause you get bitch smacked by evidence every single time. lol your a joke and so is your government your trying to support :gtfo: goof seriously save your self the trouble i didnt wreck anything, again you lose so bow out now.. before you fuckin snap and colombine your family because your obviously unstable, also i dont need to reply to your posts because your wrong.. lol its not just me beating you either. its all the people proving you wrong

[bbbv3.5]

What did I LOSE! YOU STILL THINK THERE IS A 16 FOOT HOLE WHEN THERE CLEARLY ISNT! DID YOU READ MY POST! NO! I have seen those videos and its all guided by misinformation Im trying to disprove. Like there was actually a 96 foot hole and this was posted at the LOOSE CHANGE FORUMS!

[Smoke]

just give it up. its that simple you see you draw this kind of " retarded" shit to your self by making these posts in which the evidence clearly overwhelms the government story, i've been looking into both sides just as much as the other and its clear to me that their story doesn't add up. so rant on and on about how the official story is right you will not change my opinions or anyone elses for that matter.

[bbbv3.5]

Then you're ignorant! That means you have no concept of intelligence if you can't believe fact and make things up in your head. So good for you for embarassing your entire conspiracy cause. I bet justice and michayah didnt even want you to post here.

[Smoke]

Then you're ignorant! That means you have no concept of intelligence if you can't believe fact and make things up in your head. So good for you for embarassing your entire conspiracy cause. I bet justice and michayah didnt even want you to post here.
i do belive this forum is about opinions and separating fact from fiction. so i couldn't give a rats ass who i embarrass or who wants me to post here and if that means i have no concept of intelligence and yes i make thing up in my head.. lol i don't embarrass anybody except mabye you thats why you continue to try and insult me over and over again... but to no avail they all prove you wrong too. its as simple as that. oh an by the way the pentagon is roughly 70feet high i could be wrong on that and if i am w.e so lets here how your going to try and insult my intellegence next WHY NOT TELL me how bi the whole in this video is http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUuzbHAXWZk&mode=related&search= can u see the no parking sign on the pentagon... that about a foot in size. or what about the guy before that frame the firefighter standing infront of it. skip ahead to that because the movie is in german and i dont know what the fuck theyre saying

[equalizer]

Your so right Smoke. BBBv lost this debate along time ago. He is one of Americas Sheeple who will believe anything he sees on cnn. Very sad the state of affairs this great nation is in right now. :headbang:

[Smoke]

yes i know. now he tries to insult my intelligence to prove his points. it is sad.

[bbbv3.5]

OMG Smoke! You have been ruining these debates. I want you to respond to my post. Tell me what is wrong with the evidence I posted. Not what others said. And dont use a 4 letter words because you seem to be addicted to them.

[Smoke]

OMG Smoke! You have been ruining these debates. I want you to respond to my post. Tell me what is wrong with the evidence I posted. Not what others said. And dont use a 4 letter words because you seem to be addicted to them.


absoutley nothing is wrong with what you posted. Its just your a completely blind fuck nut.. and you annoy the shit out me me trying to prove your side of the story when ll your going to get is the same awnsers to the same questions. And if you call me clueless for saying this to you and not presenting to you evidence you have seen about a million times by now... then you are truly the clueless one.. i mean here comes a barrage of ow stupid i am. Rofl :gtfo:

[bbbv3.5]

Goes to show you have nothing to say except.."YOUR WRONG IM RIGHT YOU LOSE!"....Real nice response.

[Smoke]

Goes to show you have nothing to say except.."YOUR WRONG IM RIGHT YOU LOSE!"....Real nice response.

thanks put alot of thought into it