UK foils aircraft terror plot

[loganosborne]

LONDON (CNN) -- Major delays are expected at all UK airports after the nation's threat level was raised to "critical" Thursday when police disrupted an apparent plot to blow up planes in mid-flight.

The highest possible alert level, raised by the British Home Office, means "an attack is expected imminently," and authorities have said no hand luggage would be allowed onto planes. (Full story)
Read More http://edition.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/europe/08/10/uk.terror/index.html

[MapMan]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4778575.stm

10 Aircraft were to be targetted mid flight between London and the U.S.

Other sources are saying that a liquid explosive smuggled on through hand luggage was to be used.

Security is ultra tight at U.K. Airports with no hand luggage being taken on flights. According to BBC Breakfast show, mothers are having to sample their baby's milk in front of police to prove it is safe.

[Justice]

My guess is out of all them arrested today none will be charged with terrorist activities and half of them will be detained as illegal immigrants and the police will all be happy about the overtime payments they have received.

Did we ever stop and IRA attack in all them years and now we are being told that an attack is prevented every few months and I find that strange, very strange and it could just be they keep doing this so everyone will beg them to introduce ID cards.

Do you think I’ll get discount airline tickets next if I have an ID card or something.

The government has made me very sceptical and maybe this time it’s a question of the boy crying wolf once too often.

[Raptor Witness]

My guess is out of all them arrested today none will be charged with terrorist activities and half of them will be detained as illegal immigrants and the police will all be happy about the overtime payments they have received.

Did we ever stop and IRA attack in all them years and now we are being told that an attack is prevented every few months and I find that strange, very strange and it could just be they keep doing this so everyone will beg them to introduce ID cards.

Do you think I’ll get discount airline tickets next if I have an ID card or something.

The government has made me very sceptical and maybe this time it’s a question of the boy crying wolf once too often.You're 100% correct. This is all about propaganda and the fear the government has preplanned to put into the minds of the public. The government gains enormous power every time they come on TV, raising the terror alert, but telling us NOTHING new or telling us that they cannot tell us TOO MUCH for our own good, etc.. I'm so convinced that they want and need mayhem, that I come to expect we'll lose a few planes every so often. Hell, they'll detain these folks and keep them from talking to lawyers for years, so who's to say there was a plot at all? There's no transparency for "terror," hence it's the enemy the public always needs to fear and MAKE WAR AGAINST.

I think the real truth is the American elections went really bad for the status quo yesterday, and so the Secret Order Solution is to RAISE THE TERROR ALERT.

If they really stopped a plot, my hats off, but I don't like the TIMING AT ALL, and we need more transparency. I don't give a rats azz if you have to break the laws in Britain to tell us the whole story. This is America, not the former Soviet bloc.

[grendel 13]

You're 100% correct. This is all about propaganda and the fear the government has preplanned to put into the minds of the public. The government gains enormous power every time they come on TV, raising the terror alert, but telling us NOTHING new or tellings us that they cannot tell us TOO MUCH for our own good, etc.. I'm so convinced that they want and need mayhem, that I come to expect we'll lose a few planes every so often. Hell, they'll detain these folks and keep them from talking to lawyers for years, so who's to say there was a plot at all? There's no transparency for "terror," hence it's the enemy the public always needs to fear and MAKE WAR AGAINST.

I think the real truth is the American elections went bad for the status quo yesterday, and so the Secret Order solution is to RAISE THE TERROR ALERT.

If they really stopped a plot, my hats off, but I don't like the TIMING AT ALL, and we need more transparency. I don't give a rats azz if you have to break the laws in Britain to tell us the whole story. This is America, not the former Soviet bloc.


that's what i was thinking, yesterday tony snow, the bs press sec., tells americans that they need to decide if they really want a cut and run democrat or if they want this war to be fought as hard as possible, in regards to lamonts victory, the next day we have a major terror plot foiled, yeah right. the msm even says that they planned to blow up planes in mid air , but a commercial pilot just said on msnbc that there is no way they could do that with what they had, the liquid explosives in shampoo bottles and such, it would take much more and have to be placed in the right location. chertoff even comes on and says the group was in the final stages of caring out this attack, so again those in charge are to incompetant to see the threat early on, they let these guys get to the final stages? you think by now they would be stopping terror plots imedietly.

[krakatoa]

that's what i was thinking, yesterday tony snow, the bs press sec., tells americans that they need to decide if they really want a cut and run democrat or if they want this war to be fought as hard as possible, in regards to lamonts victory, the next day we have a major terror plot foiled, yeah right. the msm even says that they planned to blow up planes in mid air , but a commercial pilot just said on msnbc that there is no way they could do that with what they had, the liquid explosives in shampoo bottles and such, it would take much more and have to be placed in the right location. chertoff even comes on and says the group was in the final stages of caring out this attack, so again those in charge are to incompetant to see the threat early on, they let these guys get to the final stages? you think by now they would be stopping terror plots imedietly.

and justice and raptor,

I think the same thing as you all, I have no confidence at all, in any government, USA, Canada, England etc etc etc.

just to see prespective of msnbc.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/

C. :2thumbs:

[Britannia]

and justice and raptor,

I think the same thing as you all, I have no confidence at all, in any government, USA, Canada, England etc etc etc.

just to see prespective of msnbc.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/

C. :2thumbs:

I really hate it when people refer to Britain as 'England' and involve the word government as well. First of all, England isn't a country, and secondly, England dosen't have a government.

Anyway, they say if this plot was actually carried out, it would have been worse than 11/9. It just goes to show how desperate these people (Muslims, Jihadists, whatever) are at trying to kill British and American people and to harm both America and Britain, but how c**p they are at doing it, I bet Al-Quaeda (if its them) are very humiliated, again.

[Raptor Witness]

The electronic media immediately eats this crap up, and dutifully spits it out without question. This is EXACTLY how the False Prophet behaves during the Great Tribulation, where the truth is trampled to the ground and all glory and adoration is focused on the Secret Order Solution to everything.

Doesn't anybody in the electronic media question the timing of this story? Come on!

[2Hybrids]

Britannia - I was taught that England was the following:


England is the largest and most populous constituent country of the United Kingdom. It accounts for more than 83% of the total UK population, occupies most of the southern two-thirds of the island of Great Britain and shares land borders with Scotland to the north and Wales to the west. Elsewhere, it is bordered by the North Sea, Irish Sea, Atlantic Ocean, and English Channel.

I don't believe anyone intended to insult you. You know what they meant.

[grendel 13]

also just to add, there is no way that blowing up a few planes in mid air was going to be worse than 9/11. that's just another exaple of the msm trying to hype up the situation and make people feel that their lives are still in danger.

[plastik]

also just to add, there is no way that blowing up a few planes in mid air was going to be worse than 9/11. that's just another exaple of the msm trying to hype up the situation and make people feel that their lives are still in danger.
6 planes, each carrying 400 passengers would kill 2400 people... and the highest reported number is 10 planes... which would kill 4000 people, plus people on the ground (like in Lockerbie in '88, but this time it was planned to happen over major cities, so more ground deaths would be likely). That is bigger than 9/11. Im not commenting on all these conspiracy theories here, but if the attack did take place, it would be as bad, if not worse than 9/11 in terms of loss of life

[grendel 13]

6 planes, each carrying 400 passengers would kill 2400 people... and the highest reported number is 10 planes... which would kill 4000 people, plus people on the ground (like in Lockerbie in '88, but this time it was planned to happen over major cities, so more ground deaths would be likely). That is bigger than 9/11. Im not commenting on all these conspiracy theories here, but if the attack did take place, it would be as bad, if not worse than 9/11 in terms of loss of life

ok, yes if the planes blew up, lots of people dead. that would require a ridiculous amount of liquid explosives to blow up the entire plane, or even cause it to come down, i doubt the attackers could really be planning on smuggling that much onto the planes. also the attacks were to happen over the atlantic, so no ground casualties.

[Britannia]

Britannia - I was taught that England was the following

Politically and constitutionally, England does not exist, it is more of a province of Britain. You will never see the cross of St.George used in any form of government, British or foriegn.

England officially 'ended' in 1707 when the act of Union brought the Kingdom of England (1 country) and the Kingdom of Scotland (1 country) into one single country called 'The Kingdom of Great Britain, England and Scotland were then one country, then, several years later (1801) Ireland joined the country.

The information you were taught (from Wikipedia I believe) said England was a country, but had a link on the word country:

'The word country does not necessarily connote political independence (thus Basque country), so that it may, according to context, be used to refer either to the UK or one of its constituents.'

So England is a province of Great Britain and has no independance whatsoever (yet anyway) To make it clear, England is a region of Britain, just like Northern Ireland, Scotland and Wales.

[Britannia]

ok, yes if the planes blew up, lots of people dead. that would require a ridiculous amount of liquid explosives to blow up the entire plane, or even cause it to come down, i doubt the attackers could really be planning on smuggling that much onto the planes. also the attacks were to happen over the atlantic, so no ground casualties.

You really need to have good knowledge of explosives to say that. Several terrorists could have taken seperate parts of the bomb on board, upon their body, and then assembled it on board. The bomb only needs to destroy a quarter of the plane to bring it down into the Atlantic Ocean, there all of the crew and passenges would drown, with no outside help. The terrorists could take the liquid with then on thier body; they would get away with that. It's the sheer size of the attack which would make it worse that 11/9, at least 10 planes being destroyed over several days, compared to 3 or 4 on one single day.

[grendel 13]

You really need to have good knowledge of explosives to say that. Several terrorists could have taken seperate parts of the bomb on board, upon their body, and then assembled it on board. The bomb only needs to destroy a quarter of the plane to bring it down into the Atlantic Ocean, there all of the crew and passenges would drown, with no outside help. The terrorists could take the liquid with then on thier body; they would get away with that. It's the sheer size of the attack which would make it worse that 11/9, at least 10 planes being destroyed over several days, compared to 3 or 4 on one single day.

ok so far 24 have been arrested that mean there would be less than 3 on each flight. three people could smuggle enough liquid explosives on a plane to bring it down? sure, if you say so. also before going into logistics with the u.s. army, i was assigned to a self propelled howitzer group, some of my mandatory training was with explosives, albeit not the liquid kind, however as i've said in previous posts, my mother worked at the police academy here in new mexico, and while i was just a teen i witnessed several demostrations on explosives, one i remember vividly was done with a foam they sprayed out of a shaving can, while it was impressive it would take a sh*t load to blow up a quarter of a 747.

p.s. can anyone give me some examples of highly explosive liquids that they think might have been used in this plot? i ask because i am no expert in this area and would like to know more, and don't say nitroglycerine, it's too unstable too be used in this case.

[2Hybrids]

The bomb only needs to destroy a quarter of the plane to bring it down into the Atlantic Ocean, there all of the crew and passenges would drown, with no outside help.


They would be dead before they even hit the water...

[Demonskates]

thats pretty chilling,in august(around now)id have been comming back from a wedding for my cousin in Italy,had he not gotten cold feet,and canceled the wedding.we would have left from london on british airways.Way to go britons!!!!Nice save there,you all saved alot of innocent lives. :2thumbs:

[twistedbutgiftid]

terrorists are still tryin with the planes? i thought by now they would be tryin other attacks. they really are stupid i guess.

unless, this is just another way for the government to say, "just just saved lives", to remind the country on why we need them. but im sure this was real.

why planes tho, i really thought by now they would be trying other methods. it was on FOX NEWS just a few weeks ago, telling the public to be aware, that car bombings in afghanastan, will be comon here in the USA in major cities. but not one yet right?

i dont fly so i guess i dont have much to be worried about.....

[twistedbutgiftid]

it doesnt need to take out a 1/4 of the plane, wasnt there the shoe bomber? from what the police said, a small explosion is more then enough, it could cause a chain reaction wich could bring down the plane no problem.

i dont know anything about explosives or planes. just my guess tho, i go off what the media said, but somtimes they just talk out of there asses :strt:

[grendel 13]

it doesnt need to take out a 1/4 of the plane, wasnt there the shoe bomber? from what the police said, a small explosion is more then enough, it could cause a chain reaction wich could bring down the plane no problem.

i dont know anything about explosives or planes. just my guess tho, i go off what the media said, but somtimes they just talk out of there asses :strt:

most the time the media talks out there ass. but i heard a commercial pilot who was also a former cargo pilot for the military, and he said that he didn't think that these terrorists would be able to bring down the plane with what they had, but who knows? also they've said they've known about this for a few months i think, they've been watching a house where these guys where planning this attack for at least the past week, they finally went in and made the arrest. that's whats bothering me if they've known about this for awhile, even just the past week, than why is there barley now a big push to remove liquids from flights? if they've known they should have been doin this from the start, i think it has to do with the worries of the republicans losing power in the houses. it's perfect timing, a bush dissenter wins an election and the next day we find out about the biggest terror plot since 9/11, coincidence?

[Wednesday]

Those of us with one eye on the oil depletion scene have long considered the airlines the "canary in the coalmine". When oil becomes expensive, cheap air travel will be a faint memory. Combine that with airline terrorism and what we have is the end of an era.

Good bye, cheap air travel, we took you for granted.

[Cartesiantheater]

Man, after reading some of these posts, I had to chuckle. I TOLD you! It doesn't matter when or from where a terrorist attack comes. The religious/ conspiracy nutbags will automatically attribute it the "Big Brother." I would be fine with this, except for the fact that it is a self-fulfilling prophesy. Every attack against a world power will be attributed to the world power attacked or to the US. Didn't you hear? Islamic extremism doesn't exist...

The Government DOESN'T "gain more power" from its appearances on television. It gains more respectability and trust. If you think for one minute that a government of a world power doesn't have all the power it needs over its population, then by all mean, try to blow them up. THEY have the guns, THEY have the missiles, THEY have the nukes. They have all the power over you that they need. But what I don't think any of you conspiracy guys realize is that their motives are not the same as our motives. They are living in a totally different plane. They don't need your approval, but they do need your respect. Why? Because they want immortality. They want to leave a legacy. And that's why they try to spin their actions into greatness. NOT because they are trying to get more oil or more money or more power. They get all the money they need straight out of your pocket book.

[Jupiter]

I really hate it when people refer to Britain as 'England' and involve the word government as well. First of all, England isn't a country, and secondly, England dosen't have a government.



England does have a government - unless you're saying that the government of England is an ineffective one. Scotland has its own Government - The Scottish Parliament. I think Krakatoa42 was referring to England, England being part of the UK, and if you like the 'capital' of the UK - due to the fact that London is there, and the House Of Commons.

[krakatoa]

I really hate it when people refer to Britain as 'England' and involve the word government as well. First of all, England isn't a country, and secondly, England dosen't have a government.

Anyway, they say if this plot was actually carried out, it would have been worse than 11/9. It just goes to show how desperate these people (Muslims, Jihadists, whatever) are at trying to kill British and American people and to harm both America and Britain, but how c**p they are at doing it, I bet Al-Quaeda (if its them) are very humiliated, again.

Can I use UK, in the future without shocking you.?

:2thumbs:

And CartesianTheater, I dont want to be put in the conspiracy theory group. It is just that when I see story like that, I want to believe it, but I have doughts, only because i know, that governments of democratic countrys, even us Canada, want to be remember in a good way, after their Job is over, so I want to believe it, I know it is serious matter, but at the same time i have doughts.C. :2thumbs:

[ryangt2]

yes i saw the news today. i dont think that it was not surprising, half of the muslim population hate blair i think that he is so into bush maybe they are saying look mr blair stop sucking up to bush or else,racial tentions will increase ,all muslims will be tarnished with the same brush something is gonna happen soon im sure,then again i could be wrong .isnt this what terrorists want hyped media attention and mass disruption and how come they failed? or was it a ploy to start racial hatred and get bush and blairs attention is it to do with both bush and blair supporting israel against the muslims in hezbollah and how long before will bush and blair join in the war in israel as i hear that israel is failing and cant see blair and bush standing back if somehow iran and syria join in THE WAR ON TERRORISM IS FAILING WE WILL NOT WIN AS WE WOULD HAVE ALREADY THEY WILL SUCCEED oslama bin laden has still not been caught then again get rid of him you have another one to take his place

[Raptor Witness]

p.s. can anyone give me some examples of highly explosive liquids that they think might have been used in this plot? i ask because i am no expert in this area and would like to know more, and don't say nitroglycerine, it's too unstable too be used in this case.I'm not sure what liquid reagents they were proposing today, but I heard acetone peroxide mentioned again, which is what was used in the London Bombings. This explodes in crystaline form, but you start with three liquids.

I suppose you could get two liquid reagents and produce this in plenty of time for an intercontinental flight, but I'm not sure of the eact reaction they would be using. Once you've got the crystals, and they're dry, you've got EXPLOSIVE product, but if you make this stuff above a certain temperature, it could explode even as it dries. IT doesn't take much to make a fireball, as you can see below, and you could easily bring the reagents on board a plane and cook a pile of the stuff up on a long flight. The only thing that doesn't jive is the problem of the smell, because this is going to stink to high heaven and someone is ging to figure out something is up long before you finish the normal reaction used for making the stuff. I wonder if you could dissolve the crytals and then just dry them on the plane, keeping them in relatively safe liquid form that way, then avoid the smell issue. That's probably how they were going to do it, IF THIS IS A REAL PLOT AND NOT JUST MORE BUSH-BLAIR PHONEY BALONEY PROPAGANDA.

[Acetone Peroxide] (http://www.hyscience.com/archives/2005/07/acetone_peroxid.php)
http://caosblog.com/images/Acetone_peroxide_molecule.jpg


Here's what 1 milligram looks like when it explodes. (http://hmx.8m.com/AP.html)

http://hmx.8m.com/AP.jpg

[ryangt2]

are the us and uk cops trained to deal with this terrorism?the uk police have made mistakes already. will we find that the 24 arrested was false intelligence and already they say they have stopped this plot but then again there will be a next time but when we dont know yet.heres a picture of the future army on the streets curfews ,random vehicle checks ,stop checks,thats what could be a probable future if things go on as they are,a police state even airliners and transport strikes due to wanting danger money?race riots,more segregation in the uk which is happening now and will become more alienated oh boy what a future plenty to look forward to then ah well can sleep better knowing that there will be extra security on the streets

[2Hybrids]

most the time the media talks out there ass. but i heard a commercial pilot who was also a former cargo pilot for the military, and he said that he didn't think that these terrorists would be able to bring down the plane with what they had, but who knows? also they've said they've known about this for a few months i think, they've been watching a house where these guys where planning this attack for at least the past week, they finally went in and made the arrest. that's whats bothering me if they've known about this for awhile, even just the past week, than why is there barley now a big push to remove liquids from flights? if they've known they should have been doin this from the start, i think it has to do with the worries of the republicans losing power in the houses. it's perfect timing, a bush dissenter wins an election and the next day we find out about the biggest terror plot since 9/11, coincidence?

The liquid ammo they would have carried onboard that plane would have been plenty to take out an airliner. Believe me. There are several strategic places onboard that would do the trick, not to mention, any bulkhead - blowing even a moderate sized hole to the outside would have done some considerable damage.

Sure, they could have taken these thugs into custody the moment they suspected. But SY wanted more, something that would really stick well in court. They wanted to catch them in the act, without the thugs actually fulfilling their mission. This also required the thugs to expose more of themselves.

Well done to the British law enforcement team! Hats off to ya!

[2Hybrids]

are the us and uk cops trained to deal with this terrorism?the uk police have made mistakes already. will we find that the 24 arrested was false intelligence and already they say they have stopped this plot but then again there will be a next time but when we dont know yet.heres a picture of the future army on the streets curfews ,random vehicle checks ,stop checks,thats what could be a probable future if things go on as they are,a police state even airliners and transport strikes due to wanting danger money?race riots,more segregation in the uk which is happening now and will become more alienated oh boy what a future plenty to look forward to then ah well can sleep better knowing that there will be extra security on the streets

...yer getting a little carried away here...stop watching so many movies. :band:

[Britannia]

England does have a government - unless you're saying that the government of England is an ineffective one. Scotland has its own Government - The Scottish Parliament. I think Krakatoa42 was referring to England, England being part of the UK, and if you like the 'capital' of the UK - due to the fact that London is there, and the House Of Commons.

No, England does not have a Parliament at all. Scotland has it's government and Wales has the Welsh assembly, these two both give the two countries a lot of power in themselves. London is the Capital of Britain. All of the government buldings you see in London are British parliment and British government buildings, you will never find a building for England.

This link is a campaign for an English parliament:

The Campaign for an English parliament (http://www.thecep.org.uk/)

This extract was taken from the site:

"Devolution however has not been extended to England and the English people at all. England has neither a parliament nor an assembly. Constitutionally and politically it still does not exist because, by the express and explicit intent of the UK government, it is being denied any national political institution of any sort to make the statement that the people of England are a distinct nation. Unlike the Scots and the Welsh the English people have no forum of any kind where they can discuss and decide issues which affect them as the people of England and consider them in an English context -be it English culture with its ancient historical roots and in all its immense diversity and vitality, education in England, the English environment, the health needs of England and all such matters. The denial of such a national forum amounts to direct political discrimination. This discrimination and disadvantage is made much worse in two ways."


I am, however, completely against an English parliament, and a Welsh or Scottish one so to speak. I am a Unionist and believe in one country called Great Britain, it will be a dreadful day when England, Scotland, Ireland and Wales all recieve their independance. There will be no British army, no Union flag, no British anything. There will be an English army, a Scottish army, and Welsh army (ha ha ha) and an Irish Army.

[Demonskates]

I'm not sure what liquid reagents they were proposing today, but I heard acetone peroxide mentioned again, which is what was used in the London Bombings. This explodes in crystaline form, but you start with three liquids.

I suppose you could get two liquid reagents and produce this in plenty of time for an intercontinental flight, but I'm not sure of the eact reaction they would be using. Once you've got the crystals, and they're dry, you've got EXPLOSIVE product, but if you make this stuff above a certain temperature, it could explode even as it dries. IT doesn't take much to make a fireball, as you can see below, and you could easily bring the reagents on board a plane and cook a pile of the stuff up on a long flight. The only thing that doesn't jive is the problem of the smell, because this is going to stink to high heaven and someone is ging to figure out something is up long before you finish the normal reaction used for making the stuff. I wonder if you could dissolve the crytals and then just dry them on the plane, keeping them in relatively safe liquid form that way, then avoid the smell issue. That's probably how they were going to do it, IF THIS IS A REAL PLOT AND NOT JUST MORE BUSH-BLAIR PHONEY BALONEY PROPAGANDA.

[Acetone Peroxide] (http://www.hyscience.com/archives/2005/07/acetone_peroxid.php)
http://caosblog.com/images/Acetone_peroxide_molecule.jpg


Here's what 1 milligram looks like when it explodes. (http://hmx.8m.com/AP.html)

http://hmx.8m.com/AP.jpg
from what i read in the link you gave is that is the reaction from just 0.01 milligrams of that stuff,one full milligram of that stuff would pretty much do it i think if you wanted to take a plane down.im sure they would use much more than that knowing al queda.(question sceince type folks,would 0.01 be in micrograms?)

[grendel 13]

The liquid ammo they would have carried onboard that plane would have been plenty to take out an airliner. Believe me. There are several strategic places onboard that would do the trick, not to mention, any bulkhead - blowing even a moderate sized hole to the outside would have done some considerable damage.

Sure, they could have taken these thugs into custody the moment they suspected. But SY wanted more, something that would really stick well in court. They wanted to catch them in the act, without the thugs actually fulfilling their mission. This also required the thugs to expose more of themselves.

Well done to the British law enforcement team! Hats off to ya!


believe you? why? cause you say your a retired navy chief, yeah ok. whatever. you know even the msm has gave several examples of explosives going off inside large planes, blowing holes through the hull, knocking out doors, even blowing the whole roof off a major section of one 747, what happened to all these planes? they came down in fiery ball of death right? wrong all these planes were able to safely land and the most deaths was four all right near the explosion. so don't think our modern aircraft can be taken down so easily, it's much harder than you think.

just a side note but if they've known about this for months, yeah i know they want to gain as much evidence as possible, than why are they now starting this crazy security push at the airports. if they've known for months than for months we should have been banning liquids on flights, right? give me one good reason why this was not done, the gov. is supposed to be protecting us right/ yet they've know about this and don't do sh*t until after it's been stopped, oh yeah and right after it's been shown that the electors are fed up with the bush admins bullsh*t.

p.s. oh yeah they waited for months because they wanted to have all their ducks in a row right? than why the hell is there still five of them on the loose?! maybe so they can go ahead and finish some of what they've started. yeah bravo british police. you know you should take your own advise and read between the lines.

[2Hybrids]

nah, you don't have to believe me. I guess I shouldn't have worded it in such a way. But I did say "strategic" in speaking of placement. And I did say it would cause considerable damage if just the bulkhead was compromised. Planes have been brought down with even just a short circuit so anything is possible.

Regarding the timing of the arrests. Its all hindsight and speculation. They might have known about the majority of those thugs and what they were up to, but didn't have enough good evidence for a take down. They might have been waiting for more of the group to be known, who their financer was, etc...Who knows. We can only speculate the reasoning behind the timing.

Any case may be - but I'm pretty happy that this didn't actually transpire.

[grendel 13]

nah, you don't have to believe me. I guess I shouldn't have worded it in such a way. But I did say "strategic" in speaking of placement. And I did say it would cause considerable damage if just the bulkhead was compromised. Planes have been brought down with even just a short circuit so anything is possible.

Regarding the timing of the arrests. Its all hindsight and speculation. They might have known about the majority of those thugs and what they were up to, but didn't have enough good evidence for a take down. They might have been waiting for more of the group to be known, who their financer was, etc...Who knows. We can only speculate the reasoning behind the timing.

Any case may be - but I'm pretty happy that this didn't actually transpire.

agreed, sorry to be so rabid about the whole thing, i just have a serious distrust in government. i too am no expert in aircraft and admit that definitely anything is possible. i am also glad that innocents did not get killed in what would have been a serious situation. i also agree that one shouldn't just immedietly pounce on a threat, it is always best to gain as much knowledge as possible, i'm just wondering why they didn't start banning liquids and such from the moment they knew about this, but i guess they might not have known about the liquid part until after the arrests.

[2Hybrids]

or they (police) didn't want to arouse suspicion that they knew what these thugs were up to - maybe even endangering their spy on the inside.

Unfortunately, we'll be reading about this over, and over, and over again over the next couple of weeks. All the "experts" will be giving their opinions over, and over, and over again.

I first thought about the idea of a government plot but it seems that too many people are involved, from different countries, for that to be plausible.

[grendel 13]

yeah your probably right, i just hate how the bush admin. will use this as a perfect example of how we need to keep them in power and not start electing some cut and run democrats. those bastards will exploit anything to gain some points in the polls.

[2Hybrids]

Now that is something I agree with. The current administration uses every situation as a tool to scare the masses and come up with some other means to keep us in line, scared, and letting us know how much the government cares. :hater:

and THAT is a crock.

[ryangt2]

today as we saw in the uk an aeroplane had to turn back because a mobile phone went off and nobody admitted the question is there is always a way to slip through security or was a person from a newspaper making the point of how tight the security was at this time of panic.Its gonna happen when we let our guard down and eventually will people decide to travel and use cars or learn to drive instead and then create another problem as they will be sick of these so called alerts and what about babies milk unless they will sell it onboard.lastly no hand luggage but what if its put in the cargo hold and apparantly some machines cannot detect foreign liquids its gonna be hell more higher prices for me and you

[loganosborne]

The terror threat to the UK has been downgraded from critical to severe.
Home Secretary John Reid said the change was made because an attack was "highly likely" but not "imminent".

Read More http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/4789169.stm

[Justice]

Have the police found some of these liquid explosives, NO !

will anyone be charged and convicted of terrorists acts related to the current plot NO !

Did the police manage to stop most IRA attacks NO !

It’s all bull$hit so Blair can give us all ID cards or implants and crank up indirect taxes to keep him and his thugs going.

The UK is being prepared for a 9/11 style attack and I for one will certainly be questioning if it is a false flag attack even if I can not stand all the Muslims flooding the UK.

[Raptor Witness]

I'm not a huge fan of Rense.com (http://www.rense.com/), but they have apparently asked a chemist about the potential for a liquid explosive plot. As I have found in my own research, and I have some knowledge of chemistry, this concept for an explosive is not logical. [Link to Story] (http://www.rense.com/general73/liq.htm)

We are being duped and I suspect lied to, for reasons I can only speculate about. It's like the anthrax scare after 9/11, which didn't seem to fit. How is it that the electronic media is so impotent, so as to not ask the tough questions here? YOU CANNOT MAKE A LIQUID EXPLOSIVE BOMB ON A PLANE WITHOUT A TERRIBLE SMELL. IT WOULD BE EASIER TO CARRY ON THE SOLID PRODUCT!

We're facing the proverbial "failure to worship the Beast and it's HONORABLE IMAGE" sentence, from the Book of Revelation. According to Bush, who plainly said, "you're either with us, or you're with the terrorists," leaving no doubt if you disagree with him, you're the enemy of the Beast(U.S.)(Rome II). The lies are piling up to Heaven, and no one is questioning the Bush_Blair version of any of it.

[ryangt2]

just changing the subject slightly for those who saw the news where two asian men were asked to be removed from the aircraft by the passengers who suspected they could be terrorists because they were heavily dressed whilst the other passengers were in shorts as coming back from a warm country im mean come on what were they thinking?is it now so bad that passengers have become vigilantes because they have beards and speak arabic we cant go around tarnishing people with the same brush,admittedly the thought had entered my mind but then thought to myself what am i thinking this is wrong it can only cause racial hatred is it not bad enough that whites and asians in the uk are segregating themselves already i can see racist attacks ocurring more whilst the u.s and uk are both in the middle east,we must now educate the young so that they dont grow up thinking the same,whats to stop attacks in schools ,work places,question is if you see asians or muslims boarding your bus,train should i get off they might be terrorists is this not what a minority want us to do?its done to cause disruption and also could have an effect on the financial scale people not visiting london or newyork a possible future okay an example you are of muslim appearence you apply for a job be it airline pilot,train driver ,bus driver you have not done nothing wrong you have had checks made sorry my friend we have more people to see you never here from that company from the outcome of your interview ever again thats what could happen or am i thinking wrong

[Justice]

Police get lots of overtime payments, politicians want to introduce ID systems and yet no explosives have been found or so called terrorists have been charged.

If these Muslims start killing us then I’m sure the public will sort them out by kicking them out the country but we don’t need this crap blair is coming out with all the time as it is helping no one.

[plastik]

11 of the 22 suspects arrested have been charged for various offences including conspiracy to murder, preparing acts of terrorism, possessing articles useful to terrorists and failing to disclose information. They all appeared in court in London today. Police have said that bomb making equipment including chemicals and electrical devices have been found. Also found were 'martyrdom' videos and documents related to explosives.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/5273104.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/5274414.stm

[grendel 13]

...possessing articles useful to terrorists

what the f*ck does that mean, i have a cell phone so am i guilty of possessing articles useful to terrorists?

[2Hybrids]

what the f*ck does that mean, i have a cell phone so am i guilty of possessing articles useful to terrorists?

I don't think that's what he's talking about...if that was it, we'd all be in jail for those boxcutters in our garage. As long as they overlook that Stinger I have in the basement.... :2thumbs:

[ryangt2]

just one question i know that terrorism has been around for some time but why has it spread more?has it been building up over these years and was american policies the cause?not being rude but it seems that the u.s president is always telling countries what they can and cant do isn't that dictatorship?Now of course we are paying the price bush is very quiet about these issues lately with very little military or political action.Is he shit scared?taking on more than he can chew i have seen no evidence of this war against terror as with the uk they are always cocking up i can see that evidence against the 11 suspects will be dropped due to lack of conclusive evidence and will only fuel more hatred ,lastly north korea is threatening today if south china and us have military exercises im sure you can read it on abc news