Israel to go at it alone against Iran?? Yeah right !!

[schizoid_lost_boy]

Hello all I heard news about Israel to go at it alone against Iran. Ya right!



Look what happened to them in Lebanon. They went "through the meat grinder" in more ways than one. In the process, they sheared off that imperial vision of "poor little Israel" and they revealed to the world the putrid evil deep inside.

I would dearly love to see the war mongers of Israel go it alone and be trounced into non-existance. Then there might be peace in the Middle East and America could then recover from this lethal virus on the human race.

But you I guess my wishes are just utopias in this fascist existance ruled by fascists. It certainly is NOT going to happen. We know Israel all to well. American kids are going to be sucked into this one way or another. And it isn't going to be pretty even if the nukes remain silent.

Let's not forget tho' ... if you attack Iran, they have a right to defend themselves by using force appropriate to their expectations. They know Israel has nukes. They have much poorer forms of defense in chemical and biological weapons. But they know how to use them. And I am sure they will if pushed to it.

The IDF is no match for Iran's military. Israel's leaders already knows this. They aren't going to go through the meat grinder on this misadvaenture because they know it would be their last one. They will do something to pull the US along with them.

Americans that don't want their kids going through this would be best advised to get them out of the US ASAP. This one is probably coming BEFORE November. I have heard references to dates in October. That would provide ample time to put out draft notices and perhaps another false flag op on US soil to drive the draft forward.

Sorry, I don't want to sound totally negative about this. Perhaps the silver cloud is that those that die are free of this crappy atmosphere of greed, ignorance, race hatred and political crimes.



Would someone please stop the planet. I want to get off.



schizoid_lost_boy

[grendel 13]

i hate the way things are going as much as the next guy but i seriously doubt a draft will be instated any time soon, no matter what kinda sh*t hits the fan. also it takes a lot longer than you think to implement the draft. also if by some chance some sh*t like that did happen, those most sucseptable to the draft would riot, and that is something the gov. can't handle.

[2Hybrids]

i hate the way things are going as much as the next guy but i seriously doubt a draft will be instated any time soon, no matter what kinda sh*t hits the fan. also it takes a lot longer than you think to implement the draft. also if by some chance some sh*t like that did happen, those most sucseptable to the draft would riot, and that is something the gov. can't handle.

agree on all counts.

[krakatoa]

None of the less, it is scary, hope it will not happend, Either in USA, or elswhere. C.

[ryangt2]

I kind had a feeling that israel would not hold back for long.I guess they are sussing the situation with the UN.By the way where did you hear this news from?.

[2Hybrids]

The Jerusalem Post (http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1154525933028&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull)

But you can quite a collective of news releases from The Drudge Report (http://www.drudgereport.com/)

[Justice]

Breaking news today was Russia said that sanctions against Iran were not needed and so signalling that they will veto any UN sanctions.

China is also on the side of Iran so don’t think if fighting breaks out that the USA is going to find it easy.

Because Iran has not been provoked over the events in Lebanon the fascists are now saying that the Iranians are interfering in Iraq, So what, What do you think the Americans are doing all over the place.

G.W Bush want war and I’ll sign up to fight, right behind him on the front lines and up to his neck in mud.

What a joke after the WMD lies that the sheeple still take in is every word.

[Raptor Witness]

Israel will look weaker, so that God can demonstrate His power by rescuing them. That's what Satan is trying to prevent by this FALSE PEACE which Bush advocates. The roadmap is WRONG. God will determine the roadmap. He planned this show of power a long time ago. He steps into history openly every so often, in order to remind everyone that He's up there. It's a prelude to the return of Jesus, who will sit on David's throne in Jerusalem.

[loganosborne]

In the process, they sheared off that imperial vision of "poor little Israel" and they revealed to the world the putrid evil deep inside.
I have never considred Isreal to be a poor little country personally especially after the 7 day war. They can defend themselves and have every right to. Maybe If hezbollah hadn't had kidnapped the soilders this wouldn't have happend. For people who say Isreal would have done it anyway well Hezbollah gave Isreal a excuse to do it.

[Demonskates]

I have never considred Isreal to be a poor little country personally especially after the 7 day war. They can defend themselves and have every right to. Maybe If hezbollah hadn't had kidnapped the soilders this wouldn't have happend. For people who say Isreal would have done it anyway well Hezbollah gave Isreal a excuse to do it.
Nicely said logan,The Way i see it is we got a bunch of Americans who love their freedom but are unwilling to fight for it.I hate Bush,I think hes an arogant bastard and a liar,but i see where things are heading,and if i need to fight to keep what i love most,ill be there doing it.Bash Bush all you like,Bash our allie Israel like all the rest of the anti semetic pricks do,The fact is,from what ive read,if the draft does happen,we'll have alot of anti Bush wuss's running for the canadian boarder,I say If you like what u got,its worth fighting for,i love my country,i love its people(mostly)I like our allies,and there is a whole world of terrorist assholes who want to take that frome me.People need to wake the hell up,if you think we are not at war in every sense of the word,you are mistaken,step up to the plate and quit whining.If your country needs you,you should be there,not for Bush,for your family,for your freinds,for your children,for your freedom,for our world,dont let some shite stick tool from some godforsaken country fill you with their propaganda and B.S.Dont buy it. not for a second.If we go to war with Iran,Im signing on.America is in danger people.We need to be together as one nation reguardless of Bush.Our way of life is being threatened.Look what the nation acomplished in WWII as a collective,there was little or no divison,today we got a bunch of sissys whining about bush this or bush that,screw Bush,Fight for America!Fight for those you love,cus they are the target of our enemys.Innocent people are the target in this war.

[shawnee]

Demonskates, as usual you're a shot in the arm!
Explain to me how Israel won that 7-day war completely surrounded. Explain to me how they won their war for independence w/o the backing of any country and with little else but rocks and shotguns. Watch EXODUS sometime.
Sure, Iranian leader has Russia and China in his pocket due to contracts and oil; Israel has God. Ya don't mess with Him...
Whatever price Israel has to pay for the survival of their country they will pay. She has never been in more peril and due to geography doesn't have the luxury of "sitting on it and whining" like the French.
Ever hear about the story of the lone Israeli soldier that captured over a thousand Egyptians during their war? He had no ammunition left; but they met him and threw down their weapons. When questioned why they surrendered to him, they said he didn't scare them; it was all those angels behing him in the air that frightened them.
God sometimes uses the weak and outnumbered to reveal His glory. He's funny that way.
Draft or no draft, anybody going against those crazy Islamic nazis HAS to be on the right side. If you can't see what's coming, you must be blind these days...
Kind of wish American Indians were Jewish; we'd be a land of upscale teepee's right about now!

[Demonskates]

Demonskates, as usual you're a shot in the arm!
Explain to me how Israel won that 7-day war completely surrounded. Explain to me how they won their war for independence w/o the backing of any country and with little else but rocks and shotguns. Watch EXODUS sometime.
Sure, Iranian leader has Russia and China in his pocket due to contracts and oil; Israel has God. Ya don't mess with Him...
Whatever price Israel has to pay for the survival of their country they will pay. She has never been in more peril and due to geography doesn't have the luxury of "sitting on it and whining" like the French.
Ever hear about the story of the lone Israeli soldier that captured over a thousand Egyptians during their war? He had no ammunition left; but they met him and threw down their weapons. When questioned why they surrendered to him, they said he didn't scare them; it was all those angels behing him in the air that frightened them.
God sometimes uses the weak and outnumbered to reveal His glory. He's funny that way.
Draft or no draft, anybody going against those crazy Islamic nazis HAS to be on the right side. If you can't see what's coming, you must be blind these days...
Kind of wish American Indians were Jewish; we'd be a land of upscale teepee's right about now!
LOL,nice post Shawnee,Ive read alot about the six day war in 67,israel is a force to be reckoned with.they are Elite in every sense of the word.I went to Israel in 93'
I miss it a bunch now,It just amazes me how people keep bashing Israel,apparently anti semitisim is still alive and well,not to mention all the bleeding hearts that cry for Lebeanon,Give me a Break!They support Hezbolla!!!Half of the population in lebanon supports them.People within their govt. are MEMBERS of hezbolla.
Keep buying the islamic extremeist propaganda people(Dumbass's)
To be honest,id do a tour in Israel if i ever got the chance,it truely is one of the most beautiful countrys ive ever seen.Id love to fight with the Israeli army.
If i moved there or became a citizen,id have to do a two year stint in the army anyway,its the law,everyone male or female has to serve 2 years in the armed forces,that shows you how bad it is in Israels neghborhood.

[Nasik]

Breaking news today was Russia said that sanctions against Iran were not needed and so signalling that they will veto any UN sanctions.

China is also on the side of Iran so don’t think if fighting breaks out that the USA is going to find it easy.

Because Iran has not been provoked over the events in Lebanon the fascists are now saying that the Iranians are interfering in Iraq, So what, What do you think the Americans are doing all over the place.

G.W Bush want war and I’ll sign up to fight, right behind him on the front lines and up to his neck in mud.

What a joke after the WMD lies that the sheeple still take in is every word.


Thanks Justice, things are progressing as I thought they would, we won't hear formally of any failed UN resolutions until August 31, 2006 from what I understand.

Bush is appearing so politically weak at the moment I'm starting to have my doubts that they [US] will take any action but I recommend paying attention to what J. Bolton says following August 31, 2006, if the rhetoric starts to heat up or not.

[schizoid_lost_boy]

Hello i respect your thoughts and opinion, but Hezbollah wasn't the *guilty one*, it was Israel. let me give u a plain example: I am from Dominican Republic, which is part of a small island that shares another country called Haiti. Some times Haitians kill dominicans, and even dominican soldiers. But never that I remember of in the late 100-200 years of international laws have the Dominican Armed Forces bombarded Haiti to ashes, and killed lots of people.

I mean kidnapping and even *killing 2 soldiers* is not an excuse to BOMB A WHOLE NATION TO ASHES.

Dominicans kill americans in NY in crimes, but that doesn't mean USA has invaded Dominican Republic because of that reason

schizoid_lost_boy


I have never considred Isreal to be a poor little country personally especially after the 7 day war. They can defend themselves and have every right to. Maybe If hezbollah hadn't had kidnapped the soilders this wouldn't have happend. For people who say Isreal would have done it anyway well Hezbollah gave Isreal a excuse to do it.

[Demonskates]

Schitzoid lost boy,I enjoy Dominican cigars,smoke them regularly.
I see your point,but its a little deeper than the kidnapping of 2 soldiers,Its 10,000 years of abuse by their neighbors.If you got pushed around and persecuted for 10,000 years,would you not be fed up?People only see the here and now of it,while ignoring everything previous that has happened to the Israelis as far back as 10,000 years.Hezbolla and Hammas have been warned again and again.Hezbolla and hamas are TERRORIST EXTREMISTS.They kill innocent people on a regular basis,hezbolla purpously situate them selves among innocent lebanese civilians,so when Israel reacts,they can say,"LOOK!Look what Israel is doing,they are killing innocent civilians."Hezbolla are cowards,they cant fight a conventional war with israel,so they strap bombs to themselves and detonate themselves in Israel.Same with Hamas.Or launch missle strikes into Israel claiming self defence.
You dont see Israelies strapping bombs to themselvs and detonating themselves in lebanon or syria.Thats terrorisim.Israel has the right to defend itself.Your either anti-terrorist,or pro-terrorist.Plain and simple.If you are defending Hezbolla,or Hamas or their actions,then they have done their propaganda tactics well.
If Israel is such an evil regime,how come your not fighting with Hezbolla?Or do you lack the courage of your convictions?I think that deep down you know that Hezbolla is bad.Besides,lebenon as a whole is not in ashes,just a couple parts are.
Everyone makes it out that Lebanon is destroyed.But thats all the news is letting you see,the truth is,a very small percentage of lebanon is "in ashes".
Nations that harbor terrorist should be reduced to ashes if u ask me,for the saftey of the world.

[grendel 13]

Schitzoid lost boy,I enjoy Dominican cigars,smoke them regularly.
I see your point,but its a little deeper than the kidnapping of 2 soldiers,Its 10,000 years of abuse by their neighbors.If you got pushed around and persecuted for 10,000 years,would you not be fed up?People only see the here and now of it,while ignoring everything previous that has happened to the Israelis as far back as 10,000 years.Hezbolla and Hammas have been warned again and again.Hezbolla and hamas are TERRORIST EXTREMISTS.They kill innocent people on a regular basis,hezbolla purpously situate them selves among innocent lebanese civilians,so when Israel reacts,they can say,"LOOK!Look what Israel is doing,they are killing innocent civilians."Hezbolla are cowards,they cant fight a conventional war with israel,so they strap bombs to themselves and detonate themselves in Israel.Same with Hamas.Or launch missle strikes into Israel claiming self defence.
You dont see Israelies strapping bombs to themselvs and detonating themselves in lebanon or syria.Thats terrorisim.Israel has the right to defend itself.Your either anti-terrorist,or pro-terrorist.Plain and simple.If you are defending Hezbolla,or Hamas or their actions,then they have done their propaganda tactics well.
If Israel is such an evil regime,how come your not fighting with Hezbolla?Or do you lack the courage of your convictions?I think that deep down you know that Hezbolla is bad.Besides,lebenon as a whole is not in ashes,just a couple parts are.
Everyone makes it out that Lebanon is destroyed.But thats all the news is letting you see,the truth is,a very small percentage of lebanon is "in ashes".
Nations that harbor terrorist should be reduced to ashes if u ask me,for the saftey of the world.

yeah it true a small percentage of lebanon is actually in ashes, but when it happen to be infrastucture a small percentage is a big deal, take out a small percentage of the human body, i.e. that heart, and it dies. smart tactitions do exactly this, the ultimate goal of military action is to do as much harm with the least damage. also i'm interested in how much combat you've seen demonskates, you talk a lot about the fight, how much have you seen. how many of your friends have you watched get blown apart from an i.e.d. you have a lot of courage from behind a computer. also to call them cowards because they strap bombs to themselves goes to show how much you actually know about their culture. and to say that israel aren't terrorists because they don't do this is absurd, if the muslims had the kind of weapons that israel does they wouldn't be blowing themselves up. i don't condone true terrorism, to take a life is wrong unless it is in defense of your family or those you love. but you have to understand what these people are going through, it's not one sided, either way, both sides are guilty. that's the whole problem with the world, too many people willing to kill to achieve their goals. what does agression truly accomplish, nothing, because in getting rid of your enemy you have created more, your enemy has a family too, one that will than began to feel agression towards you and thus the cycle begans again. it is easy to kill, whats hard is to show true compassion.

[Nasik]

Grendel,

I agree with you completely. Lebanon's vital infasture was effectively destroyed - that was deliberate and admitted to by IDF officials who claimed their intention to was to smoke or strangle out Hezbollah. This action, commonly referred to as "collective punishment" is illegal by international laws and standards. They collectively punished the Lebanonese for the actions of a group. The actions undertaken directly violated the Geneva Conventions and the UN Charter - and it is right to surmise that the kidnapping of 2 IDF soldiers was not the true cacus belli - rather a pretext for some other broader agenda.

DS - ignores the fact that many Israelis - according to recent polls and polls taken before and after the conflict - are not in agreement with his assessment, they do not wish war and they did not agree with the action taken by Olmert.

Is peace such a terrible concept - Palestine and Israel - is that so unreachable - two states side by side - independent, free and at peace. Can this be achieved? I believe it can, once the balance of interested parties seriously addresses this at the diplomatic table.

[grendel 13]

see and that is the problem with humans, you give them power and they corrupt it, it's been proven. you can't give control of something to a human, they will exploit it for their own purposes. that's why i hate government, no one has the right to tell any one else what to do, no one. it's always the people in power, that tiny little percentage of the population, who cause the problems of the world. the majority of the world can live in peace, the majority of the world simply wants to live freely, without the threat of harm, yet the minorities who have the power want more power and do whatever they can to gain more. and what's the point of power if you don't use it right? that's why those with it must exert it on the powerless. just like the highschool bully. yeah he's the biggest guy in school, but it's not enough to just walk around knowing he's the biggest, he has to let everyone else know by force. that's exactly what those in power do. sorry i can rant about it all day.

[schizoid_lost_boy]

"Hezbolla and hamas are TERRORIST EXTREMISTS.They kill innocent people on a regular basis" <--hmm, they might have killed inocent people too, i agree but the world is a struggle of forces. I mean the humans move by the moto of: *if u hit me, i hit u, if u kill me I kill u*

I mean this: if Israel kills people *on a regular basis* Hezbollah have all the moral and logical right to *kill Israelites on a regular basis* it's just as simple as that

schizoid_lost_boy


Schitzoid lost boy,I enjoy Dominican cigars,smoke them regularly.
I see your point,but its a little deeper than the kidnapping of 2 soldiers,Its 10,000 years of abuse by their neighbors.If you got pushed around and persecuted for 10,000 years,would you not be fed up?People only see the here and now of it,while ignoring everything previous that has happened to the Israelis as far back as 10,000 years.Hezbolla and Hammas have been warned again and again.Hezbolla and hamas are TERRORIST EXTREMISTS.They kill innocent people on a regular basis,hezbolla purpously situate them selves among innocent lebanese civilians,so when Israel reacts,they can say,"LOOK!Look what Israel is doing,they are killing innocent civilians."Hezbolla are cowards,they cant fight a conventional war with israel,so they strap bombs to themselves and detonate themselves in Israel.Same with Hamas.Or launch missle strikes into Israel claiming self defence.
You dont see Israelies strapping bombs to themselvs and detonating themselves in lebanon or syria.Thats terrorisim.Israel has the right to defend itself.Your either anti-terrorist,or pro-terrorist.Plain and simple.If you are defending Hezbolla,or Hamas or their actions,then they have done their propaganda tactics well.
If Israel is such an evil regime,how come your not fighting with Hezbolla?Or do you lack the courage of your convictions?I think that deep down you know that Hezbolla is bad.Besides,lebenon as a whole is not in ashes,just a couple parts are.
Everyone makes it out that Lebanon is destroyed.But thats all the news is letting you see,the truth is,a very small percentage of lebanon is "in ashes".
Nations that harbor terrorist should be reduced to ashes if u ask me,for the saftey of the world.

[Demonskates]

yeah it true a small percentage of lebanon is actually in ashes, but when it happen to be infrastucture a small percentage is a big deal, take out a small percentage of the human body, i.e. that heart, and it dies. smart tactitions do exactly this, the ultimate goal of military action is to do as much harm with the least damage. also i'm interested in how much combat you've seen demonskates, you talk a lot about the fight, how much have you seen. how many of your friends have you watched get blown apart from an i.e.d. you have a lot of courage from behind a computer. also to call them cowards because they strap bombs to themselves goes to show how much you actually know about their culture. and to say that israel aren't terrorists because they don't do this is absurd, if the muslims had the kind of weapons that israel does they wouldn't be blowing themselves up. i don't condone true terrorism, to take a life is wrong unless it is in defense of your family or those you love. but you have to understand what these people are going through, it's not one sided, either way, both sides are guilty. that's the whole problem with the world, too many people willing to kill to achieve their goals. what does agression truly accomplish, nothing, because in getting rid of your enemy you have created more, your enemy has a family too, one that will than began to feel agression towards you and thus the cycle begans again. it is easy to kill, whats hard is to show true compassion.
Im assuming youve seen combat,i havent fortunately,but many in my family has fought in every war since the revolution,Ill go if im needed.I got two blown out disks in my back,had surgery,in a few years when this mess is still going on,mabey the service wont worry so much about bad backs then,if anything happens with iran,a lot of us are gonna probably have to go.Isreal wouldnt need those weapons your talking about if it wasnt for Exremist islamic groups.Ive been to Israel,Ive seen a whole heap of that culture your talking about.Ive been to the very edge of lebanon and syria,Ive seen how those people are twards Israelis.
You think its brave,not cowardly, to strap a bomb to yourself ,and walk into a crowded place where women and children are minding their own buisness and blow your self up,because you dont have jets or tanks or the really great American weapons That Israel does?Thats absurd.How bout,not fu#king with the guys with the big guns?If you cant fight a coventional war with someone,mabey not causing them to kick your ass is a good idea.Iran is totaly backing hezbola,and syria uses hamas,and their entire goal is the destruction of Israel.Irans president said that he wants to wipe Israel from the map.OHHHH,those poor,poor islamic extremists.
I also suppose its brave of Hezbola to put their troops right in with the civilians,so when Israel retaliates,civilians get killed,so they can say "Look!Look what Israel is doing,they are killing civilians."
I guess that makes Al queda brave for smacking planes into the world trade towers?Al qeueda dosent have any high tech weapons like Israel does either.If they had them,they wouldnt have to use jetliners.
Or mabey we should give hezbolla and hamas a nuke apeice.Even things up a little,LMFAO,Israel would be gone in a week.
Wait till these bastards start setting off I.E.D.'s In America.Because thats probably gonna happen sooner or later.This is what im talking about fighting.Homeland security!Yeah right.You tell me how they intend to keep terrorists out of the u.s.When they cant keep one million mexicans a year from crossing our boarders illegaly.One person infected with small pox is all it would take.Thats what im talking about fighting.Before that shit gets here.Compassion isnt going to do jack against small pox killing you and everyone you love.Horribly.Aggresion solves many things.Without aggresion,we would be doing the goosetep right now.The National Socialist states of Amerika.Or Mabey compassion would have stoped the Third Reich from trying to take over the world? Mabey we wouldnt have had to use all that aggression?LOL.
Mabey we should all just be compassionate,when people are trying to kill us.
Im not hearing much compassion for the people of Hifa,Or Tiberias,or Nazereth,in israel,Who have had to deal with rockets being launched into their neighborhood.
How much press is that getting?Hmmmm,most of those towns have had to deal with terrorist suicide bombers for years prior to 2006.
Or mabey if Israel had just shown compassion,Jordan,Egypt,and Syria wouldnt have ever though of trying to destroy Israel in 67.Hmmmm,Israel was just minding its own buisness then.Then three countrys all together up and attack Israel.Yes,Yes,those poor Poor Islamic extremists.They are not to blame.Its them damn Jews.Out prevoking Jihad like a motherf*ker.ROTFL!!!
Yep,hezbola,that brave,Brave hezbola,has to keep them Mohamad damned jews in check!,LMFAO!Out bein all Jewish and stuff,it just aint right.Somebody should do somthing about them danged Jews.Jewing up sacred Islamic ground.The Nerve!
Bad Jew!BAd bad JEWS!
Youve got to be kidding me man.Seriously. :ohmy:

[loganosborne]

I mean kidnapping and even *killing 2 soldiers* is not an excuse to BOMB A WHOLE NATION TO ASHES.
It was not an entire nation it was southern Lebanon which is hezbollah occupied . northern Lebanon wasn't bombed at all because it isn't hezbollah occupied. Demonskates all of your posts are very well put to. :2thumbs:

[Sammy56]

Logan's right, it's not an entire country. But, I agree with schizoid in a way. Killing two soldiers isn't an excuse to bomb anything in my opinion.

[Demonskates]

It was not an entire nation it was southern Lebanon which is hezbollah occupied . northern Lebanon wasn't bombed at all because it isn't hezbollah occupied. Demonskates all of your posts are very well put to. :2thumbs:
Thanks Logan,I get a bit uptight when i hear people defending the actions of hezbola,or hamas.I cant get over the fact that Antisemitisim is still alive today.
My grandfather was in the 71st infantry,5th army,Cannon company,recon during WWII.They liberated Gunskirchen Lager concentration camp in Austria.A small satalite camp off of Mathausen concentration camp,which was a big compound in Austria(much like Aushwitz in poland)They fought to get rid of antisemitisim.
Thats what antisemitisim produced.Death camps.Antisemitisim is dangerous.
I HATE antisemites.Hamas or hezbola would love to do what the germans did.
They would do it if they got the chance too.I learned alot from my grandfather.
My family is of a long,long,line of patriots.True new england blue bloods.
Im about as patriotic as they come.My back is bad,but with some time and exercise,i think i can bounce back,i want to serve.My generation is the only one who hasnt been to war in my family.Grendel questions my courage,But I know this,I love my country,and our allies.I will defend that.I want my chance,but ive got a long road to deal with concerning my back.Im wondering if Grendel did it for the college money.Not me.Ill be doing it because i dont want this crap coming home to the ones i love.

[grendel 13]

Thanks Logan,I get a bit uptight when i hear people defending the actions of hezbola,or hamas.I cant get over the fact that Antisemitisim is still alive today.
My grandfather was in the 71st infantry,5th army,Cannon company,recon during WWII.They liberated Gunskirchen Lager concentration camp in Austria.A small satalite camp off of Mathausen concentration camp,which was a big compound in Austria(much like Aushwitz in poland)They fought to get rid of antisemitisim.
Thats what antisemitisim produced.Death camps.Antisemitisim is dangerous.
I HATE antisemites.Hamas or hezbola would love to do what the germans did.
They would do it if they got the chance too.I learned alot from my grandfather.
My family is of a long,long,line of patriots.True new england blue bloods.
Im about as patriotic as they come.My back is bad,but with some time and exercise,i think i can bounce back,i want to serve.My generation is the only one who hasnt been to war in my family.Grendel questions my courage,But I know this,I love my country,and our allies.I will defend that.I want my chance,but ive got a long road to deal with concerning my back.Im wondering if Grendel did it for the college money.Not me.Ill be doing it because i dont want this crap coming home to the ones i love.

f*ck the collage money, i was one of the only idiots who didn't get sh*t out of being in the army except a year and four months of my life spent fighting for sh*ts that didn't even want me there. also your earlier post made a lot of assumptions about what i was saying, never once did i say it was courages to blow up innocents along with yourself, i said you have to understand the lifestyle that would cause someone to do such a thing. you say aggression stopped the nazis right? well wasn't it there aggression that started the whole thing? that's what i was talking about, yeah aggression has it's place but it won't solve anything in the long run. why was hitler able to gain such power? because the german populace was still fuming from the agression they felt from WWI, and why was there agression towards the germans in WWI, because they were the agressors to began with. and you think the germans don't still have agression towards all us ally powers, of course they do that's why they don't ever agree with what we are trying to do, that's why they always veto. the only thing that has now changed the game is the good ole nuke, and the fact that we have shown that we are crazy enough to destroy two cities full of innocents to achieve our goals, hmmm, we blew up two cities full of innocents civilians. that sound a lot like what a terrorist would do. look all i was trying to say with my post was, first don't knock people cause they want to see an end to all this bullsh*t meaningless death, and second the source of all the worlds problems is, truly greed, but than the agression used to get what the greedy one wants. it's the gang mentality, trust me i know, it's from getting in trouble with gangs when i was young that ended me up in the army. when one side takes a hit they strike back harder, so when the others get hit they strike back even harder, and the cycle goes on forever. look i'm sure you are very patriotic, i'm sure you would fight if you could, i hope you get the chance, the military needs fighters, right now there are too many kids who just wanted the collage money, they never expected to be riding in humvees waiting for the next i.e.d. trust me this war is hell, you don't see the enemy and than you see nothing but the enemy, they don't where uniforms, you don't know if this little teenager is really being nice or if he just wants to get close to you to stick you with a rusty blade. other wars the threat was obvious, you knew where the sh*t was coming from, but not anymore, now it could be from anywhere at anytime, it plays hell with your mind. when you see your friends missing their legs screaming to you " am i going to die, i'm gonna die!" while you squeeze a bloody stump trying to keep what little blood he has left inside him, you immedietly loose your sense of being some badass warrior, you want nothing more than for everything to just stop, everything, cause life looses meaning when you have to talk to your friends parents and tell them there son died honorably, when you know he was just another casualty, when you know the people he died defending didn't even want him there. it's bullsh*t. see i still want to be in the sh*t, but on my own terms, like you my family is all military, my father is currently a colonel, full bird, i have three vietnam vets still with us, one a member of seal team one, a genuine badass. but i will never fight again along side those who mean so much to me, i don't ever want to see someone i care about blown to pieces. sorry for the rant, brings back memories.

[Nasik]

I've gone through this at some detail in an earlier post. This information is readily available on the internet - much of this information was gathered from the ICRC, a report from BBC as well as some other international human rights and aid groups.

The bombing WAS NOT restricted to the South of Lebanon. The bombing campaign involved many sites throughout central and northern Lebanon.

To say it was restricted to south Lebanon is simply incorrect. Logan, I spent a lot of time and care putting that together for you so I am surprised to see you are posting the same false information. If you can support what you're saying I'd love to see it, but that is not what I've read.

Please people, without getting into whether Hamas or Hezbollah or evil or freedom fighters - which is another debate - can we please remember when citing the damage to Lebanon that we keep it accurate.

Thanks.

[Demonskates]

f*ck the collage money, i was one of the only idiots who didn't get sh*t out of being in the army except a year and four months of my life spent fighting for sh*ts that didn't even want me there. also your earlier post made a lot of assumptions about what i was saying, never once did i say it was courages to blow up innocents along with yourself, i said you have to understand the lifestyle that would cause someone to do such a thing. you say aggression stopped the nazis right? well wasn't it there aggression that started the whole thing? that's what i was talking about, yeah aggression has it's place but it won't solve anything in the long run. why was hitler able to gain such power? because the german populace was still fuming from the agression they felt from WWI, and why was there agression towards the germans in WWI, because they were the agressors to began with. and you think the germans don't still have agression towards all us ally powers, of course they do that's why they don't ever agree with what we are trying to do, that's why they always veto. the only thing that has now changed the game is the good ole nuke, and the fact that we have shown that we are crazy enough to destroy two cities full of innocents to achieve our goals, hmmm, we blew up two cities full of innocents civilians. that sound a lot like what a terrorist would do. look all i was trying to say with my post was, first don't knock people cause they want to see an end to all this bullsh*t meaningless death, and second the source of all the worlds problems is, truly greed, but than the agression used to get what the greedy one wants. it's the gang mentality, trust me i know, it's from getting in trouble with gangs when i was young that ended me up in the army. when one side takes a hit they strike back harder, so when the others get hit they strike back even harder, and the cycle goes on forever. look i'm sure you are very patriotic, i'm sure you would fight if you could, i hope you get the chance, the military needs fighters, right now there are too many kids who just wanted the collage money, they never expected to be riding in humvees waiting for the next i.e.d. trust me this war is hell, you don't see the enemy and than you see nothing but the enemy, they don't where uniforms, you don't know if this little teenager is really being nice or if he just wants to get close to you to stick you with a rusty blade. other wars the threat was obvious, you knew where the sh*t was coming from, but not anymore, now it could be from anywhere at anytime, it plays hell with your mind. when you see your friends missing their legs screaming to you " am i going to die, i'm gonna die!" while you squeeze a bloody stump trying to keep what little blood he has left inside him, you immedietly loose your sense of being some badass warrior, you want nothing more than for everything to just stop, everything, cause life looses meaning when you have to talk to your friends parents and tell them there son died honorably, when you know he was just another casualty, when you know the people he died defending didn't even want him there. it's bullsh*t. see i still want to be in the sh*t, but on my own terms, like you my family is all military, my father is currently a colonel, full bird, i have three vietnam vets still with us, one a member of seal team one, a genuine badass. but i will never fight again along side those who mean so much to me, i don't ever want to see someone i care about blown to pieces. sorry for the rant, brings back memories.
I appologize for my assumtions,I know a few who are serving,What you guys are doing over there is needed though,I hate war,i dont think enyone enjoys it.If they do there is somthing wrong.I am sorry for the loss of your freinds,To me,they are hero's.As well as allthe veterans who have been there,when duty called you went,
You did your time and made it back,and for that im glad.I feel this is all nessecary,because those bastards want to do the same thing in America.
What i know is that selective services is begging for people to fill specialized jobs within the service.They are hinting at the draft,its headed that way,i think its bullshit that guys and gals that have already done up to four tours are being called back,again,its wrong.The service has too few to fill all the positions it needs,
I also think the rules of engagement that has been laid on you guys is bullshit too.
Same crap happened in Viet nam.My uncle served in the MacVSog,In Cambodia and Laos.(we were there)
There is no easy solution to this.It would be fantastic if it all just stoped.But thats wishfull thinking.I wish i knew the answers.Im frustrated because i want to do my part.I hope i will be able too.What i know is that America needs to do what we are doing.Or this country that we love,is going to start seeing things like they see in israel.When i went in 93,we missed a hammas suicide bombing by a half hour in nazereth.Had we not left when we did,wed have been caught in the middle of that shit.I hate hammas,and hezbolah.They kill innocent people.
As far as hiroshima,and nagasaki,say we hadnt droped the bomb.How many american lives would have been lost in an invasion of Japan?Say we didnt win the race to make the bomb.Say Germany got there first.Did you know the Germans were already in the designing stage of building a bomber that could reach the east coast of america?Guess what the payload would have been.Yeah,a nuke.They would have obliterated the entire east coast in under a year of bombing campaigns.
Im not saying that im glad all those japaneese civilians got killed.But i also dont dig the sucker punch they threw us at pearl harbor.More people died in conventional bombings than either of those A-bombs did.Im not being a wise ass when i ask you this i really want your opinion,do you think we should allow Iran to build nukes when they are for the total destuction of Israel?Even worse,when american troops are on either side of Iran?All im saying is if we dont stop it,nobody else is going to step up to the plate to stop them.America seems to be divided on this whole thing,and it scares me,during WWII,every one was behind the war effort,there was not much division,when we pull together as a nation we can accomplish miracles.
Im not for bush,Im for the American people,and our service men and women,and our allies.
I also dont want you to think i have this glorified bad ass warrior mentality.
I know its real easy to sit behind a computer and talk of fighting.Im doing everything i can to be better so i can help.I want to replace a guy or gal,that has already been there three or four times,they did their part and then some.They should be home with their family now.Im not bashing people that want it to end,Im bashing those that would run for the canadian boarder,or those who are defending Hamas or Hezbola,or those that apear to be anti america.I see alot of that crap on this forum.The extremist groups are pumping out tons of propaganda to make America,England,and Israel look bad,to divide our countrymen,and when isee a post from someone who dosent see that they are buying antiAmerican propaganda,i point it out.It Freaks me out,because this country is divided,That propaganda works.Anyway,dont mind me,sometimes i get up tight,sometimes i miss the drift of what people are saying.If nobody has said it,Thank you for what you have done for America.Godbless you.

[grendel 13]

I appologize for my assumtions,I know a few who are serving,What you guys are doing over there is needed though,I hate war,i dont think enyone enjoys it.If they do there is somthing wrong.I am sorry for the loss of your freinds,To me,they are hero's.As well as allthe veterans who have been there,when duty called you went,
You did your time and made it back,and for that im glad.I feel this is all nessecary,because those bastards want to do the same thing in America.
What i know is that selective services is begging for people to fill specialized jobs within the service.They are hinting at the draft,its headed that way,i think its bullshit that guys and gals that have already done up to four tours are being called back,again,its wrong.The service has too few to fill all the positions it needs,
I also think the rules of engagement that has been laid on you guys is bullshit too.
Same crap happened in Viet nam.My uncle served in the MacVSog,In Cambodia and Laos.(we were there)
There is no easy solution to this.It would be fantastic if it all just stoped.But thats wishfull thinking.I wish i knew the answers.Im frustrated because i want to do my part.I hope i will be able too.What i know is that America needs to do what we are doing.Or this country that we love,is going to start seeing things like they see in israel.When i went in 93,we missed a hammas suicide bombing by a half hour in nazereth.Had we not left when we did,wed have been caught in the middle of that shit.I hate hammas,and hezbolah.They kill innocent people.
As far as hiroshima,and nagasaki,say we hadnt droped the bomb.How many american lives would have been lost in an invasion of Japan?Say we didnt win the race to make the bomb.Say Germany got there first.Did you know the Germans were already in the designing stage of building a bomber that could reach the east coast of america?Guess what the payload would have been.Yeah,a nuke.They would have obliterated the entire east coast in under a year of bombing campaigns.
Im not saying that im glad all those japaneese civilians got killed.But i also dont dig the sucker punch they threw us at pearl harbor.More people died in conventional bombings than either of those A-bombs did.Im not being a wise ass when i ask you this i really want your opinion,do you think we should allow Iran to build nukes when they are for the total destuction of Israel?Even worse,when american troops are on either side of Iran?All im saying is if we dont stop it,nobody else is going to step up to the plate to stop them.America seems to be divided on this whole thing,and it scares me,during WWII,every one was behind the war effort,there was not much division,when we pull together as a nation we can accomplish miracles.
Im not for bush,Im for the American people,and our service men and women,and our allies.
I also dont want you to think i have this glorified bad ass warrior mentality.
I know its real easy to sit behind a computer and talk of fighting.Im doing everything i can to be better so i can help.I want to replace a guy or gal,that has already been there three or four times,they did their part and then some.They should be home with their family now.Im not bashing people that want it to end,Im bashing those that would run for the canadian boarder,or those who are defending Hamas or Hezbola,or those that apear to be anti america.I see alot of that crap on this forum.The extremist groups are pumping out tons of propaganda to make America,England,and Israel look bad,to divide our countrymen,and when isee a post from someone who dosent see that they are buying antiAmerican propaganda,i point it out.It Freaks me out,because this country is divided,That propaganda works.Anyway,dont mind me,sometimes i get up tight,sometimes i miss the drift of what people are saying.If nobody has said it,Thank you for what you have done for America.Godbless you.

thank you i greatly appreciate you r words. a lot of emotions just welled up inside me so i don't think i will be able to respond to all of your post, but honestly, thank you. all i can really say is that the situation in the world right now is extremely complicated, places like iran should not be developing nukes, but we should also set an example and start getting rid of some of ours. we have more than we need. i think that most americans hate bush but love their country, like i've said it's still the best place on earth. i understand the whole u.s. bashing that goes on here, but i really think it is more geared towards those f*cks in power, the same sh*ts who used daddies influence to get out of their military commitments. the same sh*ts who ask for student deferrments five times during vietnam(d.cheney). that's one thing that really pisses me off, if you have the power to send people to war, you damn well better have seen the sh*t yourself. sorry i could go on forever but i don't want to get all fired up about stuff that i have no control over, when you get tossed in a sh*t situation you realize that the only thing that matters is family and those closest to you, so i've learned to worry about my life and those i care about and that is it. i commend you for your courage to want to go and fight, but also let me say that just because the military won't take you now cause of your back, that doesn't mean you can't do anything. take care of those who are closest to you, there are also several ways you can help those who are over there, i will find a list for you when i get some time, i know i have one lying around here somewhere.


p.s. just remembered an organization that we received some letters from, they're called soldiers angels and can be found herehttp://www.soldiersangels.org/, one of the biggest things for soldiers in these times is a little piece of mail, it makes a world of difference.