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Apr 15th, 2003, 12:24 PM
Now that the WHO and similar national agencies are in China we are now finding out that the SARS virus is far more threatening than we were led to believe. Originally China reported the fatality rate at around 4%. We’re now seeing that the actual rate is higher than 25%. It has also been reported that the Chinese government has been putting patients in their military hospitals so that reporters and others can’t see them in order to keep the perceived/reported number of patients much lower than it actually is. And now today we see that 9 individuals in Hong Kong alone have died of SARS in ONE DAY with 2 of them being younger patients (30’s & 40’s) with no previous respiratory problems. This raises the question of its virulence and ability to kill healthy individuals.
I had a professor in college who had previously worked for the Centers for Disease Control or CDC (sort of like the USA version of the WHO). He said that one of their most feared scenarios had its beginnings in Eastern China and specifically Hong Kong. It played out like this:
As you may or may not know there is a huge live poultry population intermingled with the population. In the past you have heard phrases like avian flu and then there was the massive killing off of tens of thousands of chickens a few years ago. The reason for this is that birds have the ability to be incubators for viruses that affect humans yet they show no adverse effects themselves. In a way humans and poultry pass the virus back and forth between populations as well as the birds acting as a repository for the virus once it has been eliminated from the human population either by natural resistance or medication. Then virus then goes through many generations hidden in the avian population until a mutation causes it to be detrimental to people again and another “flu bug” emerges. And with Eastern Chinas areas of extremely high population density, like Hong Kong, a virus can spread quickly thus leading to more generations and possible resistance to antibodies in the host. Couple this with the usual latent period of these flues before symptoms present themselves and being airborne and you have one nasty virus that can spread easily.
This is how the “Killer Virus” is grown and emerges. In many countries with a large population once it was found the area would be isolated and measures to isolate the virus and create a treatment would commence. Unfortunately this usually involves the press, bad press. China doesn’t want bad press that could affect travel into or out of the country since a large portion of its economy if based on tourism and business travel. What we have seen with this SARS case and past flu epidemics is that the Chinese government will first off deny the bug exists or is anything other than an easily treated flu bug. This allows people to travel in and out of Chinas big cities on business a pleasure. Effectively spreading the virus all around the globe. Finally it’s severity and scope will be no longer deniable and the WHO and similar national agencies will be called in. Now as these agencies isolate the virus and try to find a treatment the virus will spread further around the globe, making it harder to isolate. Finally when a treatment is found we can only hope that it is comprised of common drug so that treatments can start immediately. If not, we must wait for the drugs to be manufactured, allowing more time for the virus to spread. And once produced the countries with the drug manufacturing capabilities (AS, UK, Switzerland, France, etc.) will be treated first as the majority of the population has to wait…and die.
So you can see that it’s not only the virus but the political climate that it presents itself that make it so dangerous. Here the SARS has been around 3 months before international agencies can get into China and try to fight the virus. You can see in this long played out scenario where a few months can make the difference between life and death for millions!!
Food for thought.
Apr 15th, 2003, 12:29 PM
OK, I really think if they would stop travel in and out of the region, they might get a handle on this thing, but hey, the almighty dollar makes demands on the movers and shakers. If they don't get there heads out of their posteriors, then yeah, I think this coulod do some damage. Scary part is, this ain't even nothing compared to what's in store at the end.
Apr 17th, 2003, 5:35 PM
Ok, just heard on the news that SARS has spread to India. Yes, if it spreads like the common cold, it will pose a threat to
us until a vaccine can be achieved. However, they ARE working on it and are doing well isolating affected person's.
Apr 18th, 2003, 7:52 AM
Corngrits: Yup, its now becoming clear how mucht the Cinese have tried to hide the truth by treating people in military hospitals.
Even if they do find a vaccine for it, I doubt it will be readily available to those who need it most, like those in remote China.
Apr 19th, 2003, 8:05 PM
Ok, everyday, it seems this thing is killing more and more people. The latest news reports 11 died in Hong Kong in just one day, which is the highest death toll in one day so far. Yes, as I said they are isolating those showing the symptoms but SARS is going to keep spreading and YES, it could take quite a while for a vaccine to be available. Another thing I am worried about is that I heard a report on the news stating that people from Hong Kong, China etc want to escape the virus by fleeing to Australia. You only need one person to carry the virus and it could take a few days for it to emerge. This is how SARS could spread, so I would think that keeping people in their own country would be the way to go.
Apr 26th, 2003, 5:15 PM
Nostradamus said...(remembering from Grade 8 studies so be kind) something along the lines of...It is not the bear (Russia) or the eagle(the US) which shall bring about the collapse of mankind/ civilization ...but the dragon.
We studied Nostradamus in 1978 post cold war times, when China was hardly a likely problem and like many others it has always been in my mind that this would indicate some future chinese military involvment....just toying with the idea of it being the Sars virus.
Apr 26th, 2003, 7:26 PM
oh and another thing - can someone refresh my memory on the Nostradamas "idiot son" prophecy ( aka George Bush Senior and Junior.) Was just reading about the New World order forum on this site - and developing a tingly spine.
Apr 27th, 2003, 12:14 PM
A new disease has been born. It has been named SARS (Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome). Right now this disease is low threat, atleast for the people living in the western world. But sooner or later it's going to hit home, it's only a matter of time. I'm not saying this disease is going to cause an Armageddon or anything like that. From what I've heard they have it pretty much under control. How they do this is by carefully checking every passenger leaving the countries that are known to have cases of SARS. The only thing is that they can't control every person leaving the countries, for instance people who work on ships, and those who use other means of travelling, like cars and such. It's only a matter of time before you read the newspaper headline saying "First SARS victim detected in *wherever you might live*". Not every person dies from this disease, most people, like 80-90% recovers after only a week. But it transmits easily, through drops of spit and physical contact. The first symptoms are only fever, no higher than 38 celsius. Then lung disorders, in a few cases leading to amonia. For now it has killed over 300 people, and it has only been around for a couple of months. NO antidote is still invented, so what that means is that if you get it you'll have to put you're faith in Lady Luck in order to make it through. Again I'm not saying this is going to cause any Armageddon, but.............what do we do when the next virus hits us? what if that is a much more potent one? I would be seriously bummed if a virus would ever be the cause of human extinction...|I
Apr 27th, 2003, 2:20 PM
There've been a couple of hundred Sars cases between Europe and the United States, and it's currently running at a mortality rate of a massive 0%. It's obviously much worse in countries with less good healthcare systems, but over here we're pretty safe. I wouldn't worry about Sars though you're right, it does highlight the abilty of viruses to mutate and future ones could be worse.
Apr 27th, 2003, 4:39 PM
hey Joey Ramone, good user name!!!!!!!!!!
Apr 28th, 2003, 12:51 AM
According to my friend's father who is a Bio-Chemist(with a phd in microbiology and works with the aids virus), he believes this will
A) Be the new AIDS
B) Blow over in a few months
Apr 28th, 2003, 1:15 AM
Just saw a report on BBC News that Sars has "peaked" in Canada, Thailand and every other country except China, where they are still struggling to bring it under control. So let's hope that "Blow over in a few months," as a possibility suggested by DrX256's Bio-Chemist friend is how things turn out.
You're right Sherry (about Joey Ramone's name.) In fact you've reminded me of another band to add to my list in the "Favourite Bands" thread over in Off Topic. :)
Jun 3rd, 2003, 10:57 AM
Hmm, not sure which topic to put this in - so I've put it here as it represents a threat to mankind as a whole. When I read this article, it make me feel cold inside. I mean, just what if....?:o
Jun 3rd, 2003, 12:31 PM
Very, very scary. One of those things you'd rather not know. Hopefully it'll be sorted out now.
Jun 3rd, 2003, 12:51 PM
Hmmm ... I've got these strange spots appearing all over me and I've been running to the loo a lot lately ... 8o
Seriously though, this seems to be a matter of major concern and the powers-that-be in these situations MUST ensure that security is maintained at the highest levels possible. Any lapse or mistake in this and it could be too late for us all..
Jun 5th, 2003, 9:11 PM
Early on in this SARS saga, it was reported that the pathogen was identified as "a mutation of the common cold virus", a coronavirus, I believe. They lauded themselves for their quick ID.
Then in a major newspaper a couple of weeks ago was a totally separate "science" story which lauded the efforts of several groups of medical researchers, in America and in China, who were close to developing a vaccine for the common cold from genetically mutated coronaviruses, as if this had NOTHING to do with that OTHER coronavirus in the news lately. In order to being that close to bringing out their vaccine or their work on it, they have probably spent at least a couple of years working up to it.
Even though these items were separated in the media by weeks and pages, does it appear to anyone else like the answers are right under our noses (no pun intended)?
Could it be possible that somebody's labwork has run amok?
Jun 6th, 2003, 7:00 PM
its is not up to 25% it is still at 6%. this is not a bad virus, people are getting scared over nothing.
Jun 9th, 2003, 6:56 PM
One of the things that seems to have been missed in the Ebola scenario is that Ebola is a retrovirus, and as such, may mutate at any time. What scientists are most scared of, and what they predict WILL happen, they just don't know when, is that it will become an airborne virus. Think about that.
Jun 9th, 2003, 7:12 PM
Why would or should anyone care? Do you honestly believe that contemplation of all POSSIBLE alternatives can alter the course of what is going to happen? Besides, in regards to mutation, everyone can look past the thought of Ebola becoming airborne since retroviruses, being mutating virures, can and will gradually develop immunities to medications and vaccines.
Jun 9th, 2003, 7:15 PM
It is not scary at all, because most likely nothing too terrible will come from it.
POSSIBILITY, people. It DOES NOT decide our fates, you need to wake up and realize this.
Jun 10th, 2003, 3:08 AM
But it is still a possibility, is it not?
Definition of Possibility: "Perhaps, not necessarily".
That means it could or it could not. Not fate. Just possibility. So yes, the danger is still there as it could POSSIBLY happen.
Thanks for your help clearing that one up, Fortressaur.
Jun 10th, 2003, 12:26 PM
"So yes, the danger is still there as it could POSSIBLY happen."
There are MILLIONS of possibilites that are constantly putting life on Earth at risk, and have been for a very long time now. The more we know, the more of these possibilities we will discover. Debating these possibilities and contemplating their blows on mankind makes no difference as to the furthering of our existence. That is why the articles in this site so deeply perturb me. This site is getting people extremely worried over things that will most likely NEVER happen. And let's say hypothetically that they do happen. Big deal. We will all be dead before we even know what hit us. Sounds a lot lot better than some things that this world has to offer.
Jun 10th, 2003, 1:29 PM
<blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Debating these possibilities and contemplating their blows on mankind makes no difference on the furthering of our existence.[/quote]
How can that be? Don't you know that to recognize a problem, any problem, is the absolutely necessary first step to fixing that problem? If I hadn't noticed that my shoelace was frayed almost through and contemplated its blow on my continued abiity to walk, I would have never gone to the store and bought new shoelaces.
Jun 10th, 2003, 8:36 PM
Then we will die sooner than later. Man has been doomed to extinction since the moment the first of our kind was conceived. We are merely prolonging the inevitable.
Jun 11th, 2003, 6:58 AM
Hi tardis609 and welcome to these forums :) hope you enjoy yourself here ...
<blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>What scientists are most scared of, and what they predict WILL happen, they just don't know when, is that it will become an airborne virus. Think about that. [/quote]
Is there a danger of this (Ebola becoming an airborne virus,) I hadn't heard of that.
<blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Why would or should anyone care? [/quote]
If tardis is correct, and there is a danger of it becoming airborne, then we most certainly SHOULD care. 8o
Jun 12th, 2003, 4:44 AM
This site was created to give people information about possible armageddon sources. Check out the home page, where this is clearly stated. This forum was created for people to discuss these ideas, and has further developed to enable us to discuss other subjects.
Yes, we possibly are doomed to extinction. But what is wrong with talking about it? We have a level of consciousness that encourages us to investiagte things we find interesting. As for it scaring people - why did you come to this site/forum in the first place? It has an Armageddon theme, you may have noticed!:mad:
Jun 14th, 2003, 4:36 PM
since the ebola virus is a retrovirus, it is impossible for it to become airborne. And second off show me where you got this so called "evidence"
Jun 14th, 2003, 5:55 PM
ebola become airborn 8o lets hope that doesn't happen
Jun 15th, 2003, 10:28 AM
<blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>since the ebola virus is a retrovirus, it is impossible for it to become airborne. [/quote]
I'm no expert on virus's Bane, but I sure hope you're right!
Jun 23rd, 2003, 8:46 PM
For some of us any advance knowledge will be good. It may take a while to find a willing Hot Chick!
Jul 24th, 2003, 12:50 AM
There is no existing virus that could truly be called a slate wiper. Ebola Zaire has a mortality rate of about 90%, which means that if every single human on earth got infected there would be hundreds of millions of survivors. AIDS is a growing and global pandemic, but it is a slow burn, not a forest fire. The deadliest virus in the world is the rabies virus, but it has an inefficient vector and we have a vaccine. While there are no slate wipers today, that doesn't mean there never were or will be again. I wrote a book about a naturally occuring planet killer, which I think is an honest depiction of how such an event would unfold. If anyone is interested, you can read about it at www.geocities.com/jeanboyle2/Index.html (http://www.geocities.com/jeanboyle2/Index.html)
Jul 24th, 2003, 1:31 AM
You're not here to advertise books, are you?!? But seriously, I read the review, but wondered why your MOAV only killed dinosaurs??
Jul 24th, 2003, 11:53 PM
Sars is a type of influenza which usually goes away in the summer months. I watched a special on the Tele which said the influenza outbreak in 1918(Killed 40 millon people world wide)started just like sars did. When it first appeared it was winter and it only killed a few hundred people. Then when the summer months rolled around it dissapeared. Everyone thought they were safe until the following winter. It came back with a vengence and did not stop until a whole lot of people died. 40 million wordwide. I think we should not write Sars off yet. How about we wait until this winter and see what happens.
Dec 15th, 2003, 4:34 AM
Hail,everyone!I'm new to these boards,and I have some questions for every expert for viruses?Which of the follwing viruses is the worst and from which of the following viruses an human dies faster/quicker.Is it from:Ebola,Marbur,Lassa,Smallpox,Anthrax.Which of the toxins is worse and from which toxin an person gets killed quicker/faster:Ricine toxin or Botulism toxin? Also,does Botulism or Ricine kill an human faster than Ebola or other viruses,mentioned above?Which viruses are as deadly as Ebola?
Also,I've found on many websites where where it says that scientists found the cure for primates,actually 4 of 10 primates have been trated succesfully,and now they are ok for 9 months,also this treatment and cure are only in 33% effective,so is there a possibility there is a cure for ebola?
Also,I don't think hypernova is the most destructive force in the universe-supermassive and hypermassive black holes(if they exist at all,but if there are hypernovas,than there are hypermassive black holes)?Black holes crush matter into singularity where space,time and all known laws of physics fall apart!This is something that hypernova can't do.Supermassive black holes not only extremely destructive,but also they are even slightly bigger than our entire Solar system!Jeez.I truly don't think even hypernova can match that,really.
Also,a question about super-volcanoes,could they poison the entire Earth,and end all life on Earth,is there a possibility for existence of hyper-volcanoes-just how much destructive they would be?
Dec 15th, 2003, 5:06 AM
Dec 15th, 2003, 9:33 AM
Hi Energy :happy: and Welcome to our forum!
You might find you recieve better answers if you strip out your questions and post each one in a more relevant section!!
For example, the Possible Ebola Cure could be better off in the Science, Nature and History forum.
Hypernova and Super-Volcanos are great for the Armageddon forum though.
Feb 22nd, 2005, 6:26 AM
this sickness that is going around. I see on the websites front page about a super bug, killing people within 24 hours in the UK, and the Avian Flu, which may spread throughout our world. I was wondering if any of you are sick at all?
This bugs me majorly, because I want to know what we have. 3 weeks ago my son came down with a common cold symptoms. They went away over a weekend, and came back that week full blown coughing. The weekend after that I came down with a cold, and conjunctivitis, two days later my middle child came down with a nasty earache. Last week i spent 3 whole days going to doctors, getting prescriptions, and picking my son up from school, from coughing and vomiting. My son went to the doctor and was tested for whooping cough. He doesn't have it but still, they were concerned. Now my husband has a fever, and a severe cough.
I really want to know what's going on. All of my friends have the same thing, one of my friend's kids had conjunctivitis, a sore throat, earaches, and coughing, all three of them had it, and my friend was getting over some cold. My husband works with people who's kids or themsleves are all dealing with the same thing, the same symptoms, and so on. This is definately going around.
So I ask again how many of you arte sick? How likely are we going to get the Avian Flu and a super bug virus? That's what i reallwant to know?!
a concerned mysticalzoe
Feb 22nd, 2005, 6:32 AM
Kinda spooky, im in the UK and i feel a tad sick atm :/
Feb 22nd, 2005, 6:47 AM
I have been down for a week with a sort of flu (almost 40 deg c. (104 F) fever) which really wore me out. Sweating, headache, stomach ache, vomiting, da works. A lot of my friends have it too. IMO it's just a nasty flu, although I did get an anti flu shot in november...
Feb 22nd, 2005, 10:29 AM
Im also concernered about all the sickness going around. I had broncotitis twice so far and some bad fevers this winter and my little brother never seems to get better one day hes fine next day hes coughing all over the place and so on with the pattern. Alot of people I know are getting sick.
Feb 22nd, 2005, 2:28 PM
wow more people are getting sick.
Stringybeef that happened with my son, got sick was over it within a weekend and it came back worse. My husband went to the doctors today and he has bronchitis, he's never had that before, and nether have I.
So i don't know what's happening, never knew this many people to get sick ever!
Feb 22nd, 2005, 2:59 PM
I got sick two times. I had a bad viral infection with high fever, major chills, cough and delerium/hallucinations (BBC looked like it was a cartoon) which lasted for 3 days.
Then I got infected with another viral infection 1 week later (even though I didn't fully recover from the 1st 1) which I felt the cruddiest I've ever felt in my life which was wow... very very very cold. I was bedridden for about 2 days with the nice hallucinations. Then the bacterial infection set in and caused me bronchitis, which I took anti-biotics for but the bacteria seem to be resistant or something because now 4 weeks later I still have a cough.
This is my worst flu season ever.
Feb 22nd, 2005, 3:18 PM
MN was in the moderate flu zone recently.
I haven't been "sick" since 2002/2003. Haven't ran a fever, or ralphed at all. Maybe you all need to drink more beer.
Come to think of it, since around 2000, my junior year in high school, I cant recall being sick more than once or twice.
Feb 22nd, 2005, 3:39 PM
If any of you who are feeling sick, could also say wheter you got a flu shot, or another other vaccine lately?
Feb 22nd, 2005, 3:41 PM
Had a bad cold n temp few weeks ago, week later got HSP cos of that cold. Still not gone, bloody annoying. Makes u sick, hurts ur joints, stomach pains, possibly diareer and ur covered in these annoyin red lum all over ur arms n legs. The doctor sed it takes bout a week 2 clear up, still got it 2 and a half weeks on. Thing i read on the internet sed it can last from 4-6 weeks. When i first got the cold i thought i mite of had the avian flu 'cos one of the victims had a fever, cough etc and died a few days later. Scary shit 'tis, don't wanna it over here! :gtfo: of our country
Feb 22nd, 2005, 5:08 PM
I work as a medical transcriptionist, which basically means that I type up what the doctor has to say after each patient visit. I am currently responsible for three clinic doctors, and I have several friends who are also in the same profession, some working for the local emergency rooms. None of us have seen anything grossly out of the ordinary this year. There is always a surge in illnesses this time of the year. What we have seen is a gradual increase, over the last several years, in the duration of time that the patients are suffering symptoms. We have also been seeing an increase in the difficulty involved in finding a treatment that works. I tend to think that this is a result of the misuse of medication, be it pain killers, fever-reducers, or antibiotics. Yes the viruses are getting more and more resistant , bit by bit.
Also, remember that the fever is there for a reason, to kill the infection. Let it do its job. Let it burn until either the pain is too much, or it gets above 103. I've even gone so far as to sit in a hot bath as hot as I can stand it, at the first onset of a fever, to force it up higher so it can get rid of the infection the way it is meant to do. Just remember to keep a close eye on it and don't let it go much above 103. I have several friends who do this also. NOT ONE of us has had the flu for more than 48 hours in the past six or seven years. Hot baths don't seem to help the duration of a cold, but they sure do feel good, especially with a few drops of eucalyptus oil.
BTW, I know you've heard it a million times, but I'll say it again...WASH YOUR HANDS! It is still the single most effective way to avoid getting sick. Don't just flash your hands under the water, rub them with soap and count to 15. It is certainly worth 15 extra seconds out of your busy schedule if it keeps you from getting sick, and keeps the sickness out of your home and away from your children.
MRSA has always been a nasty little thing and hard to treat. In general MRSA is not fond of the great outdoors. It prefers close quarters. open wounds, and sick people, ie. your local hospitals and nursing homes. If you have to visit one of these places, try placing a little bit of antibacterial ointment (Bactroban or Neosporin) right around and inside the nostrils. Some say this helps to block the airborne MRSA and other nasties from finding a home in the mucus membranes of your nose. And again, as soon as you leave, WASH YOUR HANDS!
Feb 22nd, 2005, 5:36 PM
redmamma, are you willing to become my mother? HAH, just kidding..
I'm on the same boat with you all, except I have a mild cold. The usual cough, sneezing, waking up with nasty nasal fluid in your nose. Other than that, hopefully we're not part of a wide spreading 'secret' epidemic!
Feb 22nd, 2005, 7:46 PM
As for all the respiratory symptoms here...
it's those damn chemtrails!
Feb 22nd, 2005, 7:50 PM
Take some Oil of Oregano when you have the flu,liquid form is the best. :crtmn:
Feb 22nd, 2005, 9:39 PM
Slade, thats something my grandmother would recommend. :lol:
Feb 23rd, 2005, 1:02 AM
I know Strife,lol,,I had some sort of stomach virus that would not go away.Went to the doctor twice in the last month,said i had a viral or bacterial infection.He would not give me an antibiotic so i started taking this stuff,it worked! :2thumbs:
Now read this one;
WHO Expert Says Pandemic Imminent From Bird Flu; Urges Governments to Draft Contingency Plans
HO CHI MINH CITY, Vietnam (AP) - A top international health official urged the world's governments on Wednesday to start drafting emergency plans for a possible pandemic stemming from bird flu, warning that a deadly outbreak was perilously close.
Dr. Shigeru Omi, the World Health Organization's western Pacific regional director, told the opening of a three-day conference on bird flu that health agencies around the world urgently need to better coordinate their fight against the virus.
"We at WHO believe that the world is now in the gravest possible danger of a pandemic," Omi said. "If the virus becomes highly contagious among humans, the health impact in terms of deaths and sickness will be enormous, and certainly much greater than SARS."
"This is why we are urging all governments to work now on a pandemic preparedness plan - so that even in an emergency such as this they will be able to provide basic public services such as transport, sanitation and power."
The conference is focused on long-term strategies for eradicating the virus, which devastated the region's poultry industry last year as it swept through nearly a dozen countries.
The disease has killed 45 people - 32 Vietnamese, 12 Thais and one Cambodian - in cases largely traced to contact with sick birds.
Experts have repeatedly warned that the H5N1 bird flu virus could become far deadlier still if it mutates into a form that can be easily transmitted between humans, sparking a global pandemic that could kill millions.
Scientists and representatives from more than two dozen countries met in southern Ho Chi Minh City, near the Mekong Delta where the latest outbreaks emerged this year.
Animal health officials said there was still time to stop the disease from developing into a pandemic, by controlling transmission at the source.
"This means addressing the transmission of the virus where the disease occurs, in poultry, specifically free-range chickens and wetland dwelling ducks, and thus curbing the disease occurrence in the region before it spreads to other parts of the world," said Dr. Samuel Jutzi, of the United Nation's Food and Agriculture Organization.
"There is an increasing risk of avian influenza spread that no poultry-keeping country can afford to ignore," said Jutzi, director of the FAO's animal health and production division.
Still, many countries affected by the virus lack effective diagnostic tools and surveillance systems needed for early warning and timely response, he said.
In recent outbreaks, bird flu has become more pathogenic than the strain found in 1997 in Hong Kong, making the situation more urgent, Omi said.
The virus has proven to be "very versatile and very resilient," and has even been found in animals such as tigers and cats that weren't believed to be susceptible to influenza, he added.
This,if it mutates it could take millions of lives,there really is no way we can produce enough vaccine to protect the whole world from this.With a death rate of 72% this should be the major concern for our governements at this time.I have read that we have possibly one to two years before this takes place. Be prepared people. :crtmn:
Feb 23rd, 2005, 2:14 AM
HEh, we'll see of the U.S. would really care with the Georgia Guidestones and all. :vbroll:
Feb 23rd, 2005, 5:31 AM
redmamama, Oh yes we have been washing hands, I washed my hands so much during my conjunctivitis that my hands have a rash on them for being rubbed and washed raw. I hvae been disinfecting my house, we've gone through two cans of lysol, and I've washed i would have to say 30 loads of laundry this week alone, trying to kill germs and so on. My family has doen the same with washing the hands, and yet we all still got sick. Nothing we can do to kill this inefection, flu whatever.
By the way someone mentioned chemtrails, some info would be good on that, I have heard of chemtrails and have seen them in my own state, but didn't know they could make you sick?
P.S. Hope everyone gets better!
Feb 23rd, 2005, 9:28 AM
Well, I'm glad to hear that you are washing your hands, MysticZoe. It's not a 100% prevention, but it is still the best thing you can do. I know, it's hard when the whole family is cooped up in the house with an illness. As far as that rash, try some Eucerin cream. You can find it at any local drug store. (I used to work for a dermatologist, and that's the first thing they recommend, then progress to other prescription creams if that doesn't work.)
Yep, this bird flu looks pretty nasty. I've been keeping my eye on that for quite a while. It looks like it's becoming a matter of "when" and not "if". Guess I'll just keep washing my kids' hands and feeding them healthy food to keep their immune systems strong. and hope we keep it at bay.
Hey Strife, don't knock the essential oil therapies. When high quality oils are used properly, they can be quite effective. Who better to heal our ailments than nature? This isn't to say that traditional therapies are not effective too. because obviously many of them are. I just like to be aware of all my options.
I did see a lot of bronchitis reports while working this morning, and several in this thread seem to be dealing with it as well. So, for those of you suffering that particular ailment, here's a link that explains a bit about it.
Feb 23rd, 2005, 9:43 AM
Report from Manchester University on the Effectiveness of Therapeutic Essential oils
Essential Oils Could Stamp Out Spread Of MRSA (21 December 2004)
Essential oils usually used in aromatherapy have been found to kill the deadly MRSA bacteria according to research carried out at The University of Manchester. Tests revealed that three essential oils killed MRSA and E. coli as well as many other bacteria and fungi within just two minutes of contact. The oils can easily be blended and made into soaps and shampoos which could be used by hospital staff, doctors and patients in a bid to eradicate the spread of these deadly `super bugs'. Researchers are now desperately looking for funding to develop their work and carry out a clinical trial.
Peter Warn from the University's Faculty of Medicine who worked on the research said: 'We believe that our discovery could revolutionize the fight to combat MRSA and other `super bugs', but we need to carry out a trial and to do that we need a small amount of funding ' around £30,000. 'We are having problems finding this funding because essential oils cannot be patented as they are naturally occurring, so few drug companies are interested in our work as they do not see it as commercially viable. Obviously, we find this very frustrating as we believe our findings could help to stamp out MRSA and save lives,' added Peter, who is based at Hope Hospital.
Essential oils are chemical compounds found within aromatic plants, which the plants use to fight off infections. Researchers tested 40 essential oils against ten of the most deadly bacteria and fungi. Two of these oils killed MRSA and E. coli almost instantly, while a third was shown to act over a longer period of time, meaning that any soaps or shampoos made by blending these three oils would be effective over a period of time. Jacqui Stringer who is Clinical Lead of Complementary Therapies at the Christie Hospital instigated the research and said: 'The use of plants in medicine is nothing new but some people regard the use of essential oils as unconventional. Our research shows a very practical application which could be of enormous benefit to the NHS and its patients. 'The reason essential oils are so effective is because they are made up of a complex mixture of chemical compounds which the MRSA and other super bug bacteria finds difficult to resist. The problem with current treatments is that they are made of single compounds which MRSA relatively quickly becomes resistant to, so treatment is only successful in around 50% of cases. 'While a wide range of products currently exist to help prevent the spread of MRSA these are often unpleasant for patients as their application can cause skin irritation. MRSA is often carried inside the nose which means that patients often have to insert treatments up their nostrils, whereas these essential oils can simply be inhaled to prevent the patient being at risk,' added Jacqui. Jacqui works with leukaemia patients at the Christie Hospital using essential oils to help in their treatment. Patients receiving treatment for cancer and leukaemia are often left with weakened immune systems which makes them vulnerable to infection from MRSA. The National Audit Office estimates that infections such as MRSA kill 5,000 people each year and hospital-acquired infections cost the NHS around £1 billion a year.
For further information contact Rachael McGraw, Media Relations Officer at The University of Manchester on 0161 275 2111 or at firstname.lastname@example.org Last updated: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 11:41:23 GMT
Feb 24th, 2005, 5:34 PM
Hey mysticalzoe, here's a good site with plenty of info on chemtrails, and YES, they can make you sick.
May 26th, 2005, 8:02 AM
May 26th, 2005, 8:21 AM
not meaning to be synical, but it'd be nice if you would post some text along with it, eg. your views on what is being done or not done or how the world might or might not cope, not being an anus on purpose, but just posting a link with the Title "Oh god..." is more of a prod towards a website instead of a forum message.
Again, not critisizing, just trying to post some helpful comments, you see posts like yours tend to get no reply and quickly fall to the bottom of the pile of threads, so try putting in something people can respond to next time....
May 26th, 2005, 10:39 AM
Okay, i'll put in more specific terms, 20% of us are going to die because of a stupid flu carried by birds!
May 26th, 2005, 11:16 AM
Here is a quote,
Death comes to us all, As all comes to Death
Ok the Great Pandemic we call it hmmmm here you go try at least 40 % of the population will pass thats my prediction oh yea lets see we have around what 6 billion people so what is that about 2 and a half billion will die .
If you really want to be safe you will have to isolate yourself from the world as in not being around people or just move to a desert. All jokes to a side this pandemic if it transfers human to human there will be a quarter of our earths population disappear.
Reason why is many countries with large amounts of people just havnt got the funds to deal with a pandemic that will spread like the flu.
For example take a U.S flu season and put that around the world every part of this earth will be touched by this virus one way or the other.
Thats what its all about it is to balance the earth from (People) using up resources you wanna put a wager that they will have a cure but not give it to the public seriously its all about population control.........That is my opinion :crtmn:
May 26th, 2005, 11:48 AM
Only a matter of time until this virus spreads and becomes an "armageddon" scale event. It would kill more people than Yellowstone or an asteroid impact. Goodbye world-as-we-know-it.
May 26th, 2005, 12:04 PM
One thing we have to remember. This is natures way of population control and weeding out the week. Only the strongest will survive. I am not afraid in the least for i am a pilar of health. :2thumbs:
May 26th, 2005, 12:16 PM
sephiroth knows that no bird flu strong enough to bring him down.
May 26th, 2005, 12:55 PM
Sephiroth, nice to have you back with us, i wondered why you had disapeared and didn't expect you to return, so welcome back my friend!
May 26th, 2005, 3:18 PM
Wait, the worlds gonna end by a Bird Flu? that sucks! Thats like a bad ending of a good movie.
May 26th, 2005, 4:20 PM
sephiroth thxs Red Shift for his warm welcome :toast:
May 26th, 2005, 4:28 PM
Well, what I fear the most in this scenario, is not us losing the battle to the bird flu, but the battle itself! I will live in fear for me and my girlfriend when I hear aboit the bird flu killing over 1 million people! And dont forget about civilization. It will be anarchy, and civil war, just so that the strongest of the men will survive! This is awfull! I now know why you named it "Oh, god..."
Ok, maybe I was just a little bit overdramatic there!
May 26th, 2005, 5:40 PM
. . .But all the same "Welcome!". Laying-out just a few words like ["Oh God"] may attract some attention, but it hardly tells of what the subject matter of your concern is directed towards. Also, as you may notice that there have been many before you or I that have had the same thoughts, and there are previous posted topics that your post can be applied to. . .We do these measures to try to cut-down on two-many "like" threads co-habitating at the same time, so, just a word here, you can check through that header that relates towards that subject, and as you go through the pages in that section, you can locate and determine the most appropriate to post in. . .
. . .All the same, Great find on the article, and "Welcome", it's great to have yah! Look around and check-out all the great topics there are to read-up on.
Joe (Bigsky770) :vbroll:
May 26th, 2005, 5:46 PM
This is something i have been watching for quite awhile and have watched it develop.This is now on CNN,i saw the report today,not very good news at all.The one good thing is that our government is aware of the dangers of this flu and hopefully will have the insight to begin the battle now which could save millions of lives.We really need to refocus our objectives,instead of waging war on each other we better start using a different train of thought and focus on the major issues that threaten our survival on this planet. :crtmn:
May 26th, 2005, 11:41 PM
umm.. bird flu looks bad... but this one is awesome. it's kill ration is 99.4 percent. marburg is a sister to ebola. it is passed in all body fluids including sweat and tears. the out break started in angola africia in oct of last year. it has killed 312 people, mostly kids, but kills everybody in contact. this includes at least 13 health care workers (which would include me... that is why i would just know that.)... they have changed the positive numbers repeatedly. now, the only cases called positive are ones that are tested. Unfortunately, in this area, there are lots of disease processes that cause bloody loose stools.. therefore, if you are not tested and die, buried, you are not counted and have infected your entire village, or at least every one that cared for you will it took at least 10 days for you to die. the really scary thing.. (look at the WHO archieves) is that they keep revising the positives.. so there was a decrease in the numbers in jan and feb and an increase in march and april. Another scary thing is that the people in the area want to care for thier dead. They want to cleanse the body ect... so that infects everybody involved. this one has way more potential than the bird flu i feel and has been generally overlook. recent links below....
May 27th, 2005, 12:03 AM
Chemtrails are nothing more than clouds formed by exhaust and smoke from planes.
I can explain to you the science behind them if you really care.
May 27th, 2005, 5:54 AM
See stuff like this really scares me because there is no cure, my kids unfortunately get sick at the drop of the hat, and if this were to enter their systems, it wouldn't be good! So I am going outside enjoying life until I hear it hits USA then I am staying in, stocking up on food, and so on, call me crazy, call me what you like but I can't die young and neither can my kids!
May 27th, 2005, 9:04 AM
US braces for flu pandemic
Friday, 27 May , 2005, 08:03
Washington: US health authorities are taking urgent precautions against a 'flu pandemic' that experts warned could erupt at any time and claim tens of thousands of lives.
Top health officials warned that the United States was ill-prepared to counter a pandemic which could come from a mutation of the bird flu H5N1 that has badly hit Asia.
Their warnings came as European researchers are also warned this week that hundreds of millions could die around the globe if a mutated bird flu, helped by jet travel and open borders, emerges and sweeps the world.
Julie Gerberding, director of the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), said that even a "medium level pandemic" in the United States could result in 89,000-207,000 deaths and up to 734,000 people being hospitalised.
"A pandemic can occur any time during the year and can last much longer than seasonal influenza," she told a Congress health subcommittee.
The H5N1 avian flu has killed 54 people in Vietnam, Thailand and Cambodia and millions of chickens and other fowl have been slaughtered.
According to the World Health Organisation, 97 humans have caught the virus.
Full story here:http://sify.com/news/international/fullstory.php?id=13809778
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May 27th, 2005, 9:08 AM
You know in my last post if you read the full story it tells how the U.S. could not keep up with the virus they couldn't have a vaccine for months now by then you can expect 100s of millions of people to die but who really knows as I said before in a earlier post its called Population Control............
May 27th, 2005, 4:44 PM
I think a lot of people are embarrassed to talk about & plan for the bird flu because they don't want to be one of "those people". Americans have been put on alert so many times where nothing ever comes of the threat (Y2k, dirty bombs, planes in restricted air space, duct tape) that we are desensitized to it all.
If the bird flu hits hard, will public systems shut down? Will we be able to get clean water from our taps, flush the toilet, etc? Would you take a leave of absence from your job/school to avoid catching bird flu? :eww:
May 28th, 2005, 11:07 AM
Depending on how the bird flu is spread, I'd say washing you hands,(which isn't a bad idea considering when you are at the store and your hands are all over the cart then you carry those germs to your steering wheel etc....) Wash your hands or carry a bottle of antiseptic hand gel. That'll cut down on alot! And, if your at a restaurant/bar ask for plastic. You gotta be the master of your own health for there are bacteria and germs everywhere! If the bird flu makes it to the United States then stay away from crowds and cover your mouth when your out. Until the CDC gets it under control.
May 30th, 2005, 10:48 AM
Will it come to Mexico?
May 30th, 2005, 1:25 PM
Will it come to Mexico?
It will be worldwideeeeee
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