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Nov 19th, 2008, 6:33 AM
Maybe we are experiencing the start of the magnetic poles shifting.

Nov 19th, 2008, 11:44 AM
Boy guys i can tell you that the jets stream here is strong and we are in the cold part of it, North of it, brrrr it is winter outside now and that for at the least the whole week. The woodstove is on now.


Nov 19th, 2008, 5:09 PM
Floods, evacuations as second stormfront hits southeast Queensland.
Jeezus wonder whats instore for the rest of us then?

You want to see the world on its knees well its on its way i think anyway.

Nov 19th, 2008, 5:48 PM
Sadly, i think by spring life as we know it will be very different..
all the freaky weather going on, with the financial problems..
Enjoy the next few months as you can.. things are getting crazier by the day..

Glacial Ridge
Nov 19th, 2008, 7:43 PM

Proto asked for any info on the matter. So I related something about what she was asking.

Some of us believe in part the theory about the "Electric Universe". It takes an electric current to produce a magnetic field. So what would cause fluctuations to your magnetic field?

Set a steel ball on your table and gravity will hold it there. Wave a magnet over it and it will jump unto your magnet. Which is the stronger force gravity or magnetism? What produces magnetic fields in the solar system or in the universe.

Even though the sun is in minimum, we are still receiving electric energy from her, and the galaxy and trying to determine what affects the atmosphere causing these super wind storms we seem to be having around, as well as some of the other nasty weather. Nothing is all inclusive here there are local factors too.

Nov 20th, 2008, 6:08 AM
UK is braced for an Arctic Blast this weekend with snow expected in the Highlands of Scotland and down the east coast of the country, we should also expect a wind chill factor temperature of -9degC. A bit earlier than usual but the skiers will not mind.

Nov 20th, 2008, 7:41 AM
Discovered: Cosmic Rays from a Mysterious, Nearby Object
Nov. 19, 2008: An international team of researchers has discovered a puzzling surplus of high-energy electrons bombarding Earth from space. The source of these cosmic rays is unknown, but it must be close to the solar system and it could be made of dark matter.


Glacial Ridge
Nov 20th, 2008, 12:17 PM
Discovered: Cosmic Rays from a Mysterious, Nearby Object
Nov. 19, 2008: An international team of researchers has discovered a puzzling surplus of high-energy electrons bombarding Earth from space. The source of these cosmic rays is unknown, but it must be close to the solar system and it could be made of dark matter.


Good find Drol, how did we miss this one.

"This is a big discovery," says co-author John Wefel of Louisiana State University. "It's the first time we've seen a discrete source of accelerated cosmic rays standing out from the general galactic background."

http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2008/images/cosmicrays/crshower2_nasa_med.jpg (http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap060814.html)

Right: An artist's concept of cosmic rays hitting Earth's upper atmosphere. Credit: Simon Swordy, University of Chicago. [Larger image (http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap060814.html)]
Galactic cosmic rays are subatomic particles accelerated to almost light speed by distant supernova explosions and other violent events. They swarm through the Milky Way, forming a haze of high energy particles that enter the solar system from all directions. Cosmic rays consist mostly of protons and heavier atomic nuclei with a dash of electrons and photons spicing the mix.

Exactly what we are looking for, again thanks for the post Drol!

Nov 20th, 2008, 2:47 PM
SOUTHEAST Queensland has been battered by the third wild storm this week and more severe weather is on the way.
I do wonder if this is related to what has been reported by Nasa?


Nov 20th, 2008, 4:28 PM
ONE of Australia's leading climatologists has warned the extreme weather that hit southeast Queensland this week is consistent with climate change modelling of weather patterns.
Typical blame it on climate change!

This sort of violent weather activity is consistent with climate change predictions. We're coming off a long drought in southeast Queensland, and that has been an extreme weather event. Now we're getting these storms, and they're also extreme weather events."

It looks bad!

Glacial Ridge
Nov 20th, 2008, 8:15 PM
SOUTHEAST Queensland has been battered by the third wild storm this week and more severe weather is on the way.
I do wonder if this is related to what has been reported by Nasa?


We all wonder that same thing Ryangti. What effects do any and all incoming particles have on our atmosphere and to our planet. This is why we moniter them to see if we might find some answers.

Queensland links you posted earlier on this thread I checked out and wow they are hurting for certain. Very bad like Viet Nam and others this year including Iowa this spring in the U.S. Lots of people displaced due to flooding this year. Wondering how this years stats compare to last years and prior years.

Nov 21st, 2008, 12:43 AM

Could this happen to the Earth? What do you think?

Nov. 21, 2008: Researchers have found new evidence that the atmosphere of Mars is being stripped away by solar wind. It's not a gently continuous erosion, but rather a ripping process in which chunks of Martian air detach themselves from the planet and tumble into deep space. This surprising mechanism could help solve a longstanding mystery about the Red Planet.


Nov 21st, 2008, 1:56 AM
As I lay in bed, I heard a "whipping" motion outside as it "whizzed by"..
It is not the normal winds from jet streams. This was a 'TURRENT"
That Cosmic "whip" that enters the planet at the North Pole and begins to
"come down the planet" then it "shears" off when it "hits" Mt. McKinley and
causes the turrent to "break off into smaller turrents" then whisk around the planet. <I believe this is what has "slapped" planes to the ground>
these obscure magnetized chunks of air..only at FULL FORCE..
And DROL had the same idea...What could cause the "eating away" of the
atmosphere? Some "extra solar" magnet? A particle or group of particles that
"tug" on our precious planet? A LARGER MAGNET?
Since our planet is a GIANT MAGNET what could it be attracting??
then think of this:
Add the thousands upon thousands of metal object that we have sent into
space, ie: satellites..What were we thinking? Wouldnt these metals attract
any space object with a magnetic core?? comets/meteors and the unseen
"things" of our space?

What could make Earth's magnetic field lines double, even triple?
The ONLY THING strong enough to change it, EARTH'S CHARGE OF ELECTRIC.
That's right.
Earth's Electrical Charge must have changed..Our magnet deep within has
CHANGED.. At the core mantle boundry.

With the help of another SOLAR OBJECT could do that.. It has to be of a
comprable size to this planet <in order to have the effect.>

Magnetic field lines reaching from where?? Whom? What object??
So much so that our SUN is disturbed..
<walk away from theory of the sun going thru a cycle>
What if it's a DISTURBANCE this is "quieting" our sun?

Whom is responsible for "skewing" our magnetic lines?
And it is only just awakening to the massive dust particles around it.
And here is earth with thousands of metal objects of MATTER that WE

That'll peel our atmosphere right away as it begins to "SUCK".
I'm not kidding. Our massive black hole i'll lay odds is the culprit.
We just cant get close enough to it to find out what it's doing.
Don't forget that Dark Matter is the FORCE that PULLS ATOMS APART.
This energy is our ENEMY.

AND WHO SAYS THERE ISNT SMALLER BLACK HOLES and i'll go out on a limb to call some of them ROGUE BLACK HOLES...Smaller in mass
perhaps a "scout" for the mother of all,,, our SUPER MASSIVE BLACK HOLE.

Nov 21st, 2008, 6:18 AM
Whatever the cause may be Queensland is yet to brace itself for a fourth storm.
Some serious talks may need to be met not only with these storms but the financial impacts upon towns and cities in the preparation for the worst.


Nov 21st, 2008, 1:04 PM
I will keep you posted on the developments in Queensland.
Today the sky turned black hailstones then nothing after about 5 minutes.
It seemed quite strange that the way the clouds occured quite rapidly where i live its also quite cold as well but turning milder on sunday.

Here is some news just in for Australia calling a state of emergency earlier in the news.
STORMY spring weather has not been confined to southeast Queensland, with several parts of the country taking a battering. The Bureau of Meteorology yesterday issued a tropical cyclone warning for a system off the West Australian coast and alerts for every state and territory except the Northern Territory.

Glacial Ridge
Nov 21st, 2008, 5:38 PM
Drol, another good article. We are fortunate to be able to learn about the universe we live in from the comfort of our homes.

As to your question...my thoughts are something must of messed up Mars magnetic field, hit maybe by a planet that used to orbit within our solar system breaking that object up and reducing its size? (like old comet Venus) Maybe that's why there are all those asteroids in that belt that orbits between Mars and Jupiter. That would of messed up the Magnetic Field of Mars and cause massive explosions from within the planet Mars, further messing up of it magnetic field. Then the Sun just has to do what it does, blow solar wind.

Just a thought Drol, just a thought with a burst of imagination and at my age it's good to still have some imagination.

Thanks Ryangti, been watching it too. We had some black clouds move through here, just the smaller variety they weren't all together as a system. Volcano alert for Columbia? That will add to the volcanic aerosol already plentiful this year in our atmosphere.

Proto, that's what I have been wondering too...what, where and how has been affecting the Sun's output or lack there of.

Winds up to 25 mph out of the north over here. Thanks Alpha for those Jet Stream maps that update themselves. Got any of the North and South Poles???

Nov 21st, 2008, 6:11 PM
Do you remember from ECNews II, when the Chilian Glacial Lake opened a "fissure"
and all of the water disappeared a couple of years ago? That was right after
they remeasured the tibetan plateau and found that to be growing pretty fast.
Now scientists at Mount Logan <Canada> have found that the mountain has
been growing quickly as well..23 feet in the past 15 years.

As the mountains in the higher latitudes grow, something at the polar opposite
sinks..that's just the way it is. And this mountain being the tallest and biggest
mountain in the entire world just goes to show you that The Northern Latitudes are in and "uplifting" phase. <is this why there has been so many "tectonic compression events" going on in the Southern Lats?> http://www.terradaily.com/reports/Canadas_tallest_mountain_sees_growth_spurt_999.htm l

I live within the New Madrid Zone <outer area> yet I am squarely held within
the ECTZ Fault. I have had some shaking in the past few years, 1.0's and mostly
residual but boy when the Entire Structure goes, it'll be one hell of a ride, check
this article out from FEMA.

So, ya never thought that the Eastern States of the USA had quakes eh?
lookey here:

Oh boy has our atmosphere been busy and I've seen things lately that would scare your mother. Now large crystal plates are forming creating illusions of grandeur in the sky and I have seen skinny water spouts or tornado <not touching the ground>
as well as experiencing great wind turrents. It's a bitch living on top of a
mountain but you can see some pretty amazing stuff.
I worry about how large the mass of crystals can grow. We have heard of
large chunks of ice falling down and I have a feeling we are only at the beginning
of such "optic anomolies" here on earth. Get your polarized sunglasses on and LOOK UP! You have got to see the "rainbow" of chemicals and crystals and
the clouds. Oh how some of them harbor such dirt and scum as ash/smoke/pollution/nasty dirty ice and chemicals turning them ugly grey..

We are at an area in our orbit that is compressing our atmosphere by the
matter around us. Check out this plot.

Old' 3rd rock's getting the squeeze on...I bet there will be some spectacular
meteor hits. And with the solar wind of Nov 25, that should seal our fate that
Thanksgiving will give us all a BLIZZARD!

Nov 21st, 2008, 6:48 PM
The cloud was neither in formation over here neither more like a single cloud which i had said earlier and dropped water like a bomb.
I still find it quite strange but hey the outer planet system seems busy these days.
The latest victim has become Venazuela heavy rains and floods which finally ended on friday,whilst over here as you have probably read that we are in for some cold weather ourselves.

The next wave to hit Queensland is at 4pm today it has been reported good news though it may subside within the next few days,yeah until the next time!

Nov 21st, 2008, 11:09 PM
Meteor, i just saw on Canadian news CTV news, that there was a meteor that falled in Edmonton, Sask., it is either yesterday night or closer then that, they say it was about the size of a grapefruit, so they should not find any of it on the soil, but peoples are searching anyway just in case, This must be on ctvnews on the net. and there is video on this.

here is the link Http://www.ctv.ca/news Then you go to Top Stories the story and video is there


Nov 22nd, 2008, 11:21 AM
Indonesia hit by strong earthquake
U.S. Geological Survey says the quake's preliminary magnitude is 6.8

JAKARTA, Indonesia - A strong earthquake struck waters off western Indonesia, the U.S. Geological Survey said Saturday.
The preliminary magnitude of the quake is 6.8, the agency said.

More on http://www.msnbc.com/id/3032507 ir not working http://www.msnbc.com/ then World news


Nov 22nd, 2008, 11:45 AM
I'm very sick. I awoke with a Searing headache and very sick...
Even the dog seems sick. I'm going out to purchase a

It sneaks up on ya when your furnace is in use alot so GET ONE.
Your life and that of your family could be at stake.

Who'd a thunk it?

Tired Old Man
Nov 22nd, 2008, 3:21 PM
I'm very sick. I awoke with a Searing headache and very sick...
Even the dog seems sick. I'm going out to purchase a

It sneaks up on ya when your furnace is in use alot so GET ONE.
Your life and that of your family could be at stake.

Who'd a thunk it?

I had one for a long time. I have a wood buring stove. Now I use propane gas for heat. I had to have the fire department inspect my house because of the wood stove. All they said was I have plenty of air leaks in my house and carbon minoxide shouldn't be a problem. I asked what about fire? I wanted to know if the wood stove was safe. Hey if you have a fire call us. Dam that made me feel good.

Nov 22nd, 2008, 3:39 PM
More than 100mm of rain has been dumped in some areas of Gippsland in the last 24 hours and buffeting winds have brought down trees across Melbourne.
Its all happening now isnt it?
The apocolypse now?

Dont know exactly where this is but the states are in for some nasty turns with the weather again for many anyway.

Dehli temperatures above average for time of year but when winter arrives for them they are in for freezing temps.

Im going to put these in my normal thread again before getting told off.

Now that we see this once again the climate change subject crops up.

Nov 22nd, 2008, 5:36 PM
Loyalty Island EQ 6.8
S. Sumatra Island 6.8
N. Asention Island 6.2

Things are heating up From the Equator down...
and above, hoo boy.
Strange Jet streams askewed throughout the ENTIRE PLANET.
The pattern does not make ANY SENSE. NO SENSE AT ALL.

Not only that, check out Alaska. That "hook" feature that you see
has been there for more than 24 hours. That is high energy material
that will BECOME very red in color as it morphs with the ice crystals.
That is unbelievable to be able to see the satellite "watch" this process..
Space Cold. That's what I'm going to start calling these freezing cold snaps
that glaze our earth with ice. Temps are hovering in the teens and even the
southern lats are cold.., You guys in the UK must be unindaunted with floods
and swath's of rain sleet and mucky muck. You are covered with ice above you.

My new detector is on but it's reading a Zero so that is good.
I guess I got the damn flu then. shitski, I was drinkin' so much milk,
I forgot my C's. heh <orange juice> <goofball....
I wish I had a woodburning stove Old Man. I love the smell!
Ryan, thank you for the links. This is why we are here and everyone appreciates
your links.

The sky is telling some fantastic tales lately. All you have to do is look up and
I guarantee you'll find some fantastic light "formation" or rainbow or gasous clouds
cruise by.., you get a forboding as winter approaches when you know that this
year will be one of the "coldest" on record. The atmosphere is changing. It has
no choice in the matter. Climate Change happens.
Cycles happen but these events are priceless. Because they are so very rare.
Rare in that there are so many "events" happening at the same time.

The magnetics of this planet has changed. The usual patterns you see on the infrared are gone. Replaced by a "haywire" magnetic structure that is fluxing
and disturbing our sun. What lies next is only a breath away..
As winter has not even taken hold yet. In some places on earth, it'll ICE OVER
while other places wither away...We can only hope that spring will bring new
weather patterns that will calm our fears and release us from this relentless
water issue here on earth..
uh oh, I better lay off the cold tablets...I'm getting melodramatic.

Nov 22nd, 2008, 7:47 PM
GALE force winds and snow in the NSW central-west are keeping State Emergency Service (SES) volunteers busy, just a week from the start of summer.
Summer?this has to be very unusual for Australia and are the events beginning to emerge or shall we wait and see what happens next?


Nov 22nd, 2008, 9:10 PM
Protostar is right on DARK MATTER is here for sure.

Earth being bombarded by dark matter

Russia Today
Saturday, Nov 22, 2008

Scientists think they may have discovered an elusive substance known as dark matter - which experts believe makes up 90 percent of the universe. It’s hoped it may hold the key to how and when the universe was formed.

Nov 23rd, 2008, 5:09 AM
another good start to the 2008/2009 ski season in Europe!


Cairngorm and Lecht just had a massive dump of snow this weekend in North East Scotland so yet again for the second year running a good start to winter.

as I've said before if the jet stream stays South this year UK will have a cold winter. It's producing some mad patterns this year already, swooping in and out of the Atlantic, up to Greenland and down on the UK.

judging by the next 7 days UK is going to be cold for a good while yet!


Nov 23rd, 2008, 6:36 AM
Something is happening.
It is 7:21 am and 16.3 degrees. An hour ago at 6:15 am it was 18 degrees.
So, I began by checking IRIS.
The Porta Rican Trench had a quake and it's opposite, Honshu, Japan started shaking.. Magnetometer had "artifacts" and A small flux around midnight
so, not much there...But the infrareds tell another story.
The Equator usually has a nice west to east line of cloud systems "dragged"
by our magnetic core...but it isn't there..it's gone.
it looks like it had a shift of some kind.
Could the magnetic/electric structure of our earth have "turned"
and the position that the sun hits the earth changed? Aphilion and perhilion
switching positions? Are we witnessing this event through infrared monitoring?
Or is there just a "weak link" in our earths magnetic structure.?
Check MSFC tell me what you see.
One thing you'll see is the ICY WATER <isotopes> coming down the planet
and freezing everything. Now it's coming up from the South Pole, that's why
Australia is in a Flux. Check out W. USA./Canada border, that is the "space cold"
coming on in, but it is moving too slowly..Why?

And the porta rican trench <thought to be earths black hole>
and it's counter point, Honshu Japan area <thought to be earths white hole>
shaking at the same time..

Nov 23rd, 2008, 8:18 AM
Fox News reporting more meteor strikes.

again, check this plot http://www.cfa.harvard.edu/iau/lists/InnerPlot2.html

There is alot of "debris" near our planet. Meteors and <gulp>comets..
Keep your head up, during the day you can't seem them but you can see
a "flash of light"..

This just in: from RIA NOVOSTI

remember when the planet's rotation rate slows to 14 cps
then we get a major POLE SHIFT.

The Earth is rotating around its own axis slower. The International Earth Rotation Service has regularly added a second or two to the length of a 24-hour day in recent years.

This is the main reason, according to Igor Kopylov, professor at Moscow Energy Institute, why the planet - a gigantic electrical machine - has had its energy balance upset. He expressed this viewpoint in 2004. Kopylov is convinced that the Earth has entered the first phase of a global change. A weakening of the Earth's magnetic field was first registered early in the 20th century, and a consistent drop in the speed of rotation, in the late 1980s and early 1990s. It has been established that when the Earth's rotation slows by one second a year, it releases a tremendous amount of heat, hundreds of times the volume of energy released by human industrial activity.

If we accept that all processes on Earth run according to cosmic cycles, which, in turn, depend on the Solar System's position in our Galaxy, then humankind may be facing another Great Flood.

The Solar System, including the Earth, travels through the Galaxy in spiraling elliptic paths. The cycle time for the larger spiral is 200-210 million years, and for the smaller one, which determines minor galactic cycles, 26,000 years. Correspondingly, half a cycle lasts 130 centuries. This period almost exactly coincides with the date of the last Flood, the occurrence of which was real. The myths and legends of many peoples including that of the Bible recorded the event.

The Flood has been dated rather precisely: at 11,100 BC. If we accept that the civilized society on Earth has been developing for 400,000 years, then this period saw 30 great floods, and we are witnessing the beginnings of the thirty-first flood.

The cosmic cycles are so gigantically long by human standards that they have little impact on the life of people, but the active initial phase of the galactic cycle is of vital importance for the development of civilization. In the view of Russian scientists, the Earth currently finds itself at precisely this point in the cycle.

The transitional process in the electrical machine "planet Earth" can be divided into three phases. During the first - lasting 300 to 500 years - a relatively quick change in the direction of cross current (according to the law of electric machines) will alter the Earth's magnetic field, with the Northern magnetic pole shifting to the eastern part of the Arctic Ocean. This change in the Earth's magnetic field is accompanied by strong magnetic storms, earthquakes and disastrous atmospheric events caused by a change in the circulation of oceanic waters and the atmosphere.

The change in the magnetic field leads to changes in the Earth's ozone layer, which cause abrupt leaps in the biosphere's evolution owing to the altered level of radiation. As the average temperature of the planet rises, ice glaciers begin to thaw, raising ocean levels across the world.

The first, "warm" phase of the transitional period is the shortest and most active. This period witnesses a relatively fast braking of the planet and the release of tremendous amounts of heat, leading to global warming.

In the second phase, the magnetic field will stabilize. The Earth will slowly increase its speed of rotation, and the electrical machine "Earth" will revert to near normal speed. The increased speed of rotation will bring on a cold spell, the ice glaciers will regain their mass, and the oceans will displace their former volumes.

In the third phase, the transitional period will end, the speed of Earth rotation will stabilize, and the planet's energy balance will return to the conditions of previous millennia.

Following the last Great Flood, people began migrating from East to West. Are we now to see a great exodus to the East?

It looks as if we should give serious thought to developing Siberia .

Glacial Ridge
Nov 23rd, 2008, 3:31 PM
That was an interesting article Protostar!!!

>Quote article... This change in the Earth's magnetic field is accompanied by strong magnetic storms, earthquakes and disastrous atmospheric events caused by a change in the circulation of oceanic waters and the atmosphere. ...>

My imagination or are we seeing more storms and precipitation over seismically active areas as the electric energy from the core interacts with the atmosphere????

Maybe we should post a link for the folks and give acknowledment to the web site.

Another great flood: time to build an ark?

Been checking the satellites too...looks wet and wild.

Forecast for the USA from MSNBC looks alot like what happened last year for the central portion of the states. They are predicting some warmer than normal for other areas. hmmmm

Turning to rain and snowfall, the outlook is for wetter than normal for the season in Kansas, Oklahoma, Missouri and Arkansas....

Ice storms and snow and Ice storms and snow. The ground was saturated if I am recalling correctly and then in the spring they had an earthquake, in the central US. eeeeek

Nov 23rd, 2008, 3:43 PM
Check out W. USA./Canada border, that is the "space cold"
Oh great, we get cold.. *lol* it is cool here, but thats normal for this time of year,
actualy by now we usualy have a little snow in the hill's and its nothing like normal, there are some areas that have snow, but not many.. its realy warmer than usual here in s.w. montana. Which makes for lousy hunting. :(

Nov 23rd, 2008, 4:29 PM
Its freezing here to but no snow yet where i live,but some parts have seen blankets of snow already.
The article on the meteors cant find it right now but the one was seen in canada the other day may be the start of something maybe.

Glacial Ridge
Nov 24th, 2008, 12:26 PM
Got our first snow blanket today. Oh boy ... got to use the snowblower.

EXPLOSION IN PROGRESS: An explosion is underway on the sun. The source of the blast lies out of sight somewhere over the sun's western limb, but the ejecta is visible as it billows into space:

http://www.spaceweather.com/images2008/24nov08/cme_c2_strip.gif (http://www.spaceweather.com/images2008/24nov08/cme_c2_big.gif?PHPSESSID=ehdsab6btoccscalmd46357hb 2)

And a coronal hole getting ready to blow on around the 25th.

Anyone check IRIS for the central American tri quakes.
Honduras has been getting rain slammed badddddd.

Nov 24th, 2008, 12:45 PM
Besides the freezing temps a 7.0 magnitude earthquake struck today in the Sea of Okhotsk in Russia's far east, US seismologists said.
With these recent disasters its now getting to the point where volunteers now want money as well.

Brazil has seen flooding today as well.

Nov 24th, 2008, 2:02 PM
Weekly activity USGS
New Activity/Unrest

AKAN Hokkaido 43.384°N, 144.013°E; summit elev. 1499 m

On 17 November, JMA raised the Alert Level for Me-Akan (also known as Meakan-dake, which means Meakan Peak) of the Akan volcanic complex to "near-crater warning" (levels 2 and 3 on a 5-level scale) after the seismic network detected tremor that lasted 171 minutes. On 18 November, the summit was obscured by cloud cover but web camera views showed that the snow-covered S slopes had turned black. During an overflight later that day, JMA scientists noted that the ash covered an area up to 400 m away from Ponmachineshiri crater. Ballistic lithics several tens of centimeters in diameter were deposited around the crater.

Geologic Summary. Akan is a 13 x 24 km, elongated caldera that formed more than 31,500 years ago immediately SW of Kutcharo caldera. Growth of four post-caldera stratovolcanoes, three at the SW end of the caldera and the other at the NE side, has restricted the size of the caldera lake. The 1-km-wide Nakamachineshiri crater was formed during a major pumice-and-scoria eruption about 13,500 years ago. Of the Holocene volcanoes of the Akan volcanic complex, only the Me-Akan group, E of Lake Akan, has been historically active, producing mild phreatic eruptions since the beginning of the 19th century. Me-Akan is composed of 9 overlapping cones. The main cone of Me-Akan proper has a triple crater at its summit. Historical eruptions at Me-Akan have consisted of minor phreatic explosions, but four major magmatic eruptions including pyroclastic flows have occurred during the Holocene

BARREN ISLAND Andaman Is 12.278°N, 93.858°E; summit elev. 354 m

Based on a pilot observation, the Darwin VAAC reported a lava flow from Barren Island on 17 November. A possible low-level ash plume was seen drifting W on satellite imagery. On 18 November, a pilot reported that an ash plume rose to an altitude of 2.4 km (8,000 ft) a.s.l. and drifted WSW.

Geologic Summary. Barren Island, a possession of India in the Andaman Sea about 135 km NE of Port Blair in the Andaman Islands, is the only historically active volcano along the N-S-trending volcanic arc extending between Sumatra and Burma (Myanmar). The 354-m-high island is the emergent summit of volcano that rises from a depth of about 2,250 m. The small, uninhabited 3-km-wide island contains a roughly 2-km-wide caldera with walls 250-350 m high. The caldera, which is open to the sea on the W, was created during a major explosive eruption in the late Pleistocene that produced pyroclastic-flow and -surge deposits. The morphology of a fresh pyroclastic cone that was constructed in the center of the caldera has varied during the course of historical eruptions. Lava flows fill much of the caldera floor and have reached the sea along the western coast during historical eruptions.

Barren Island Information from the Global Volcanism Program

DALAFFILLA Northeastern Africa 13.792°N, 40.55°E; summit elev. 613 m

Night-time satellite imagery from 8 November of the eruption that began on 3 November near Dalaffilla and Alu volcanoes revealed a multi-lobed lava-flow field with a primary channelized flow that traveled NE. The source appears to be a one or more NW-SE-trending eruptive fissures NW of Dalaffilla. The flow field on the 8 November image was an estimated 9.3 km long and 3 km wide, with an area of about 15 square kilometers. Thermal anomalies detected by satellites were present during 12-16 November.

Geologic Summary. Dalaffilla, also referred to as Gabuli, is a small, but steep-sided conical stratovolcano that rises 300 m above surrounding lava fields SE of Alu volcano. This morphology, unusual for the Erta Ale Range volcanoes, results from the extrusion of viscous, silicic lava flows with primary slopes up to about 35 degrees. These silicic flows extend primarily to the east; on the west they are blocked by walls of a horst structure along the crest of the Erta Ale range. Other basaltic lava flows from regional fissures surround the 613-m-high volcano. Fumarolic activity occurs in the 100-m-wide summit crater and has weathered surrounding lava flows.

NEVADO DEL HUILA Colombia 2.93°N, 76.03°W; summit elev. 5364 m

The Washington VAAC reported that on 11 November occasional emissions of gas and possible ash from Nevado del Huila were observed on satellite imagery. During 12-18 November, INGEOMINAS continued to receive reports of strong sulfur odors and ashfall in areas to the W and SW. They also noted that 14 instances of ash emissions were detected on satellite imagery during 13-14 November. Sulfur dioxide plumes were also detected on satellite imagery. According to the Washington VAAC, a pilot observed an ash plume on 14 November that rose to an altitude of 6.1 km (20,000 ft) a.s.l. and drifted SW. News articles stated that classes at educational institutions near the Páez and Símbola rivers were suspended while the Alert Level remained at Orange.

Geologic Summary. Nevado del Huila, the highest active volcano in Colombia, is an elongated N-S-trending volcanic chain mantled by a glacier icecap. The andesitic-dacitic volcano was constructed within a 10-km-wide caldera. Volcanism at Nevado del Huila has produced six volcanic cones whose ages in general migrated from south to north. Two glacier-free lava domes lie at the southern end of the Huila volcanic complex. The first historical eruption from this little known volcano took place in the 16th century. Two persistent steam columns rise from the central peak, and hot springs are also present.

Nevado del Huila Information from the Global Volcanism Program

REVENTADOR Ecuador 0.077°S, 77.656°W; summit elev. 3562 m

The IG reported that slight incandescence from Reventador's crater was seen at night during 11-12 November. Inclement weather prevented observations during 13-16 November. On 17 and 18 November, a seismic station situated on the NE flank of the central cone recorded a high number of rockfall signals that presumably originated from the active lava-flow fronts. Steam emissions rose from the crater.

Geologic Summary. Reventador is the most frequently active of a chain of Ecuadorian volcanoes in the Cordillera Real, well E of the principal volcanic axis. It is a forested stratovolcano that rises above the remote jungles of the western Amazon basin. A 3-km-wide caldera breached to the E was formed by edifice collapse and is partially filled by a young, unvegetated stratovolcano that rises about 1,300 m above the caldera floor. Reventador has been the source of numerous lava flows as well as explosive eruptions that were visible from Quito in historical time. Frequent lahars in this region of heavy rainfall have constructed a debris plain on the eastern floor of the caldera.

Reventador Information from the Global Volcanism Program

Ongoing Activity


Nov 24th, 2008, 2:04 PM
CHAITEN Southern Chile 42.833°S, 72.646°W; summit elev. 1122 m

Based on observations of satellite imagery, SIGMET notices, and web camera views, the Buenos Aires VAAC reported that during 12-17 November ash plumes from Chaitén continuously rose to altitudes 1.4-3.7 km (4,500-12,000 ft) a.s.l. and drifted NW, NNE, ENE, and E. A thermal anomaly was detected on satellite imagery on 12 November.

Geologic Summary. Chaitén is a small, glacier-free caldera with a Holocene lava dome located 10 km NE of the town of Chaitén on the Gulf of Corcovado. A pyroclastic-surge and pumice deposit considered to originate from the eruption that formed the elliptical 2.5 x 4 km wide summit caldera was dated at about 9400 years ago. A rhyolitic, 962-m-high obsidian lava dome occupies much of the caldera floor. Obsidian cobbles from this dome found in the Blanco River are the source of prehistorical artifacts from archaeological sites along the Pacific coast as far as 400 km away from the volcano to the north and south. The caldera is breached on the SW side by a river that drains to the bay of Chaitén, and the high point on its southern rim reaches 1122 m.


Source: Buenos Aires Volcanic Ash Advisory Center (VAAC)

Chaitén Information from the Global Volcanism Program

KARYMSKY Eastern Kamchatka 54.05°N, 159.45°E; summit elev. 1536 m

KVERT reported that seismic activity at Karymsky increased above background levels during 11-12 November. On 10 November, ash plumes were seen on satellite imagery drifting 38 km E and 28 km ENE. During 10-11 November, possible explosions may have generated ash plumes to an altitude of 3.8 km (12,500 ft) a.s.l. Also during 10-11 November, analysis of satellite imagery revealed a thermal anomaly in the crater; clouds prevented observations on the other days. The Level of Concern Color Code remained at Orange.

Based on analysis of satellite imagery, information from the Yelizovo Airport (UHPP), and KEMSD notices, the Tokyo VAAC reported that an ash plume rose to an altitude of 2.7 km (9,000 ft) a.s.l. on 12 November. On 12 and 15 November, eruptions generated plumes that rose to an altitude of 3.4 km (11,000 ft) a.s.l.

Geologic Summary. Karymsky, the most active volcano of Kamchatka's eastern volcanic zone, is a symmetrical stratovolcano constructed within a 5-km-wide caldera that formed about 7,600-7,700 radiocarbon years ago. Construction of the Karymsky stratovolcano began about 2,000 years later. The latest eruptive period began about 500 years ago, following a 2,300-year quiescence. Much of the cone is mantled by lava flows less than 200 years old. Historical eruptions have been Vulcanian or Vulcanian-Strombolian with moderate explosive activity and occasional lava flows from the summit crater. Most seismicity preceding Karymsky eruptions has originated beneath Akademia Nauk caldera, which is located immediately S of Karymsky volcano and erupted simultaneously with Karymsky in 1996.


Sources: Kamchatkan Volcanic Eruption Response Team (KVERT), Tokyo Volcanic Ash Advisory Center (VAAC)

Karymsky Information from the Global Volcanism Program

KILAUEA Hawaii (USA) 19.421°N, 155.287°W; summit elev. 1222 m

HVO reported that during 12-18 November lava flowed SE through a tube system from underneath Kilauea's Thanksgiving Eve Breakout (TEB) and rootless shield complex, reaching the Waikupanaha ocean entry. Incandescence and active surface flows were seen on and at the base of the pali (fault scarp). Earthquakes were variously located beneath and to the S of the caldera, and along the S-flank fault. Beneath Halema'uma'u crater daily earthquakes ranged from 20 to 40 (background is about 40), but were too small to be located more precisely. The vent in Halema'uma'u crater continued to produce a predominantly white plume that drifted mainly SW and deposited small amounts of tephra. Night-time incandescence was seen at the base of the plume on the web camera for the first time in about a month, and sounds resembling distant surf and rockfalls were heard in the vicinity of the crater. The sulfur dioxide emission rate was 1,200 and 800 tonnes per day on 14 and 17 November, respectively; the 2003-2007 rate average was 140 tonnes per day.

Geologic Summary. Kilauea, one of five coalescing volcanoes that comprise the island of Hawaii, is one of the world's most active volcanoes. Eruptions at Kilauea originate primarily from the summit caldera or along one of the lengthy E and SW rift zones that extend from the caldera to the sea. About 90% of the surface of Kilauea is formed of lava flows less than about 1,100 years old; 70% of the volcano's surface is younger than 600 years. A long-term eruption from the East rift zone that began in 1983 has produced lava flows covering more than 100 sq km, destroying nearly 200 houses and adding new coastline to the island.


Source: US Geological Survey Hawaiian Volcano Observatory (HVO)

Kilauea Information from the Global Volcanism Program

KLIUCHEVSKOI Central Kamchatka (Russia) 56.057°N, 160.638°E; summit elev. 4835 m

KVERT reported that seismic activity at Kliuchevskoi was above background levels during 7-13 November. Video and visual observations showed that during 8 and 10-12 November gas-and-steam plumes that contained a small amount of ash rose to an altitude of 5.1 km (16,700 ft) a.s.l. Analysis of satellite imagery revealed a daily thermal anomaly in the crater. The Level of Concern Color Code remained Orange.

Geologic Summary. Kliuchevskoi is Kamchatka's highest and most active volcano. Since its origin about 7,000 years ago, the beautifully symmetrical, 4,835-m-high basaltic stratovolcano has produced frequent moderate-volume explosive and effusive eruptions without major periods of inactivity. More than 100 flank eruptions, mostly on the NE and SE flanks of the conical volcano between 500 m and 3,600 m elevation, have occurred during the past 3,000 years. The morphology of its 700-m-wide summit crater has been frequently modified by historical eruptions, which have been recorded since the late-17th century. Historical eruptions have originated primarily from the summit crater, but have also included major explosive and effusive events from flank craters.


Source: Kamchatkan Volcanic Eruption Response Team (KVERT)

Kliuchevskoi Information from the Global Volcanism Program

POPOCATEPETL México 19.023°N, 98.622°W; summit elev. 5426 m

CENAPRED reported that emissions of steam and gas from Popocatépetl were visible during 12-18 November. Based on analysis of satellite imagery and information from the Mexico City MWO, the Washington VAAC reported that on 17 November an ash plume rose to an altitude of 6.1 km (20,000 ft) a.s.l. and drifted NW and WSW. A thermal anomaly was also detected. According to CENAPRED, the emissions contained slight amounts of ash on 18 November.

Geologic Summary. Popocatépetl, whose name is the Aztec word for smoking mountain, towers to 5,426 m 70 km SE of Mexico City and is North America's second-highest volcano. Frequent historical eruptions have been recorded since the beginning of the Spanish colonial era. A small eruption on 21 December 1994 ended five decades of quiescence. Since 1996 small lava domes have incrementally been constructed within the summit crater and destroyed by explosive eruptions. Intermittent small-to-moderate gas-and-ash eruptions have continued, occasionally producing ashfall in neighboring towns and villages.


Sources: Centro Nacional de Prevencion de Desastres (CENAPRED), Washington Volcanic Ash Advisory Center (VAAC)

Popocatépetl Information from the Global Volcanism Program

RABAUL New Britain 4.271°S, 152.203°E; summit elev. 688 m

Based on analysis of satellite imagery, the Darwin VAAC reported that during 12 and 16-18 November ash plumes from Rabaul caldera's Tavurvur cone rose to altitudes of 2.4-3 km (8,000-10,000 ft) a.s.l. and drifted NW and NNW.

Geologic Summary. The low-lying Rabaul caldera on the tip of the Gazelle Peninsula at the NE end of New Britain forms a broad sheltered harbor. The outer flanks of the 688-m-high asymmetrical pyroclastic shield volcano are formed by thick pyroclastic-flow deposits. The 8 x 14 km caldera is widely breached on the E, where its floor is flooded by Blanche Bay.Two major Holocene caldera-forming eruptions at Rabaul took place as recently as 3,500 and 1,400 years ago. Three small stratovolcanoes lie outside the northern and NE caldera rims. Post-caldera eruptions built basaltic-to-dacitic pyroclastic cones on the caldera floor near the NE and western caldera walls. Several of these, including Vulcan cone, which was formed during a large eruption in 1878, have produced major explosive activity during historical time. A powerful explosive eruption in 1994 occurred simultaneously from Vulcan and Tavurvur volcanoes and forced the temporary abandonment of Rabaul city.


Source: Darwin Volcanic Ash Advisory Centre (VAAC)

Rabaul Information from the Global Volcanism Program

SANTA MARIA Guatemala 14.756°N, 91.552°W; summit elev. 3772 m

Based on analysis of satellite imagery, the Washington VAAC reported that ash puffs from Santa María's Santiaguito lava dome complex drifted SW on 11 and 15 November.

Geologic Summary. Symmetrical, forest-covered Santa María volcano is one of a chain of large stratovolcanoes that rises dramatically above the Pacific coastal plain of Guatemala. The stratovolcano has a sharp-topped, conical profile that is cut on the SW flank by a large, 1-km-wide crater, which formed during a catastrophic eruption in 1902 and extends from just below the summit to the lower flank. The renowned Plinian eruption of 1902 followed a long repose period and devastated much of SW Guatemala. The large dacitic Santiaguito lava-dome complex has been growing at the base of the 1902 crater since 1922. Compound dome growth at Santiaguito has occurred episodically from four westward-younging vents, accompanied by almost continuous minor explosions and periodic lava extrusion, larger explosions, pyroclastic flows, and lahars.


Source: Washington Volcanic Ash Advisory Center (VAAC)

Santa María Information from the Global Volcanism Program

SHIVELUCH Central Kamchatka (Russia) 56.653°N, 161.360°E; summit elev. 3283 m

KVERT reported that seismic activity at Shiveluch was above background levels during 6-14 November. Based on interpretations of seismic data, ash plumes rose to an altitude of 6.8 km (22,300 ft) a.s.l. Hot avalanches descended the lava dome on 6 November and produced ash plumes that rose to an altitude of 4 km (13,100 ft) a.s.l. Analysis of satellite imagery revealed a daily thermal anomaly on the lava dome. On 10 November, an ash plume drifted 30 km E and gas-and-steam plumes drifted 50 km. The Level of Concern Color Code remained at Orange. Fumarolic activity was visible on the web camera on 8, 10, and 12 November.

Based on information from KEMSD and analysis of satellite imagery, the Tokyo VAAC reported that on 13 and 16 November eruptions produced plumes to altitudes of 4.9-6.1 km (16,000-20,000 ft) a.s.l.

Geologic Summary. The high, isolated massif of Shiveluch volcano (also spelled Sheveluch) rises above the lowlands NNE of the Kliuchevskaya volcano group and forms one of Kamchatka's largest and most active volcanoes. The currently active Molodoy Shiveluch lava-dome complex was constructed during the Holocene within a large breached caldera formed by collapse of the massive late-Pleistocene Strary Shiveluch volcano. At least 60 large eruptions of Shiveluch have occurred during the Holocene, making it the most vigorous andesitic volcano of the Kuril-Kamchatka arc. Frequent collapses of lava-dome complexes, most recently in 1964, have produced large debris avalanches whose deposits cover much of the floor of the breached caldera. During the 1990s, intermittent explosive eruptions took place from a new lava dome that began growing in 1980. The largest historical eruptions from Shiveluch occurred in 1854 and 1964.

Sources: Kamchatkan Volcanic Eruption Response Team (KVERT), Tokyo Volcanic Ash Advisory Center (VAAC)

Shiveluch Information from the Global Volcanism Program

SOUFRIERE HILLS Montserrat 16.72°N, 62.18°W; summit elev. 915 m

MVO reported that during 7-14 November the activity level at the Soufrière Hills lava dome increased slightly, but remained low, and there was no evidence of lava extrusion. Rockfalls were detected by the seismic network. Visual observations were hindered by clouds and vigorous steaming from the dome. Weak ash venting possibly occurred briefly on 13 November. The Hazard Level remained at 3.

Geologic Summary. The complex dominantly andesitic Soufrière Hills volcano occupies the southern half of the island of Montserrat. The summit area consists primarily of a series of lava domes emplaced along an ESE-trending zone. English's Crater, a 1-km-wide crater breached widely to the E, was formed during an eruption about 4,000 years ago in which the summit collapsed, producing a large submarine debris avalanche. Block-and-ash flow and surge deposits associated with dome growth predominate in flank deposits at Soufrière Hills. Non-eruptive seismic swarms occurred at 30-year intervals in the 20th century, but with the exception of a 17th-century eruption that produced the Castle Peak lava dome, no historical eruptions were recorded on Montserrat until 1995. Long-term small-to-moderate ash eruptions beginning in that year were later accompanied by lava-dome growth and pyroclastic flows that forced evacuation of the southern half of the island and ultimately destroyed the capital city of Plymouth, causing major social and economic disruption.

Source: Montserrat Volcano Observatory (MVO)

Soufrière Hills Information from the Global Volcanism Program

SUWANOSE-JIMA Ryukyu Islands (Japan) 29.635°N, 129.716°E; summit elev. 799 m

Based on analysis of satellite imagery and information from JMA, the Tokyo VAAC reported multiple explosions or eruptions from Suwanose-jima during 12-16 November. Occasional plumes rose to altitudes of 1.5-2.1 km (5,000-7,000 ft) a.s.l. during 13-15 November.

Geologic Summary. The 8-km-long, spindle-shaped island of Suwanose-jima in the northern Ryukyu Islands consists of an andesitic stratovolcano with two historically active summit craters. Only about 50 persons live on the sparsely populated island. The summit of the volcano is truncated by a large breached crater extending to the sea on the east flank that was formed by edifice collapse. Suwanose-jima, one of Japan's most frequently active volcanoes, was in a state of intermittent Strombolian activity from On-take, the NE summit crater, that began in 1949 and lasted nearly a half century. The largest historical eruption took place in 1813-14, when thick scoria deposits blanketed residential areas, after which the island was uninhabited for about 70 years. The SW crater produced lava flows that reached the western coast in 1813, and lava flows reached the eastern coast of the island in 1884.



Nov 24th, 2008, 2:42 PM
check out the water vapor map. There is some strange dark ? systems
that I have not seen before on there.

Look at the amount of water that the n.pole has released all at once.
also, you can see the newly formed fault right along the west coast of usa and below
canada right there in the ocean., You can see it right NOW if you look IT IS SUCKING the water right from the sky..like a big
black hole...
at the west coast infrared. Below that "structure" you see the swirling
"eddy" that is producing excess water..

Giant earthquakes and alot of shaking underneath.
there is tectonic movement going on deep within so I expect some kind
of a catastrophy within in the ring of fire witin the next 3 months.
Why 3 months? Because the rift has shown itself for the second time on
the infrareds which means the Rift is GROWING..

Severed Soul, Since you are in Montana you have the advantage
that the sat's don't. You are from 600 ft to ground. You are a great
weather indicator there. Since Yellowstone is situated either near
you or near your corner of the state, the heat from that inferno rises
and "acts like a pyramid" so cold and snow should "wedge away" from the area. Now we know that Yellowstone is winkin and blinkin at us,
it's movement and the caldera growth of late shows us that the
boiling caldera is releasing heat from the ground..So, you should be
warm. But you tell us because you are right on top of it.
Any changes in your weather is welcome due to the fact what is
just a few miles from your feet.

I wanted to tell Drol that it is DARK ENERGY that has breeched this planet, not DARK MATTER. However, MATTER FOLLOWS ENERGY'S LEAD SO IT'S JUST A MATTER OF TIME until Earth get's the matter
unless I missed that one..and it already has.

A Coronal Mass Ejection, this shoud be interesting.
Since spaceweather continues to swing back and forth on
what solar cycle we are in. <I know they can over lap>
but I still say she's asleep. The Coronal Hole that has developed
is being watched very intently due to it's size.
A CME is a material approx 94,000 yrs old..So it comes from
the deep deep belly...

Glacial Ridge
Nov 24th, 2008, 7:09 PM
Proto, been watching that satellite till I'm blue in the face. Not seeing what you are??? Best I can remember, that location is not to far out from where the offshore earthquake swarms were reported last April.
Location picture

When volcanoes erupt, we see lightning discharges, quite cool.

When severe earthquakes occur, people report aurora like colors above in the sky at the location, of the quake.

Energy being released into the atmosphere.

Nice to see some output from the Sun. Those solar winds haven't been blowing very hard or fast. The IMF (Interplanetary Magnetic Field) has been weaker as a result. Being we are travelling through an InterSTELLAR cloud this allows more InterSTELLAR matter or Dark Energy to come in. This is the time of year that it does come in.

Kratatoa, do we have a Volcanic Eruption total for 2008. How much ash did we add to the atmosphere soup mix?

Nov 24th, 2008, 7:56 PM
mama knows:
The recent positron fraction spectrum from the Payload for Antimatter Matter Exploration and Light-nuclei Astrophysics (PAMELA), shows a sharp rise up to 80 GeV. Excess microwaves towards the Galactic center in the WMAP data are consistent with hard synchrotron radiation from a population of 10-100 GeV e+e- (the WMAP "haze")
A moderate bump of XRAY's produced from the galactic center shows us that
our orbit is in a serious fluxing pattern..Not only is earth and mars being
"compressed" so is the Sun.
It's the 25th somewhere on earth. And so far.., not a peep.
Except for NE ice storm. heh.

Glacial Ridge
Nov 24th, 2008, 8:07 PM
mama knows:
The recent positron fraction spectrum from the Payload for Antimatter Matter Exploration and Light-nuclei Astrophysics (PAMELA), shows a sharp rise up to 80 GeV. Excess microwaves towards the Galactic center in the WMAP data are consistent with hard synchrotron radiation from a population of 10-100 GeV e+e- (the WMAP "haze")
A moderate bump of XRAY's produced from the galactic center shows us that
our orbit is in a serious fluxing pattern..Not only is earth and mars being
"compressed" so is the Sun.

Huh, what did you just say? LaViolette thought cosmic ray volley hit the earth, maybe it was just a more dense region of interstellar matter, is that what you just said there Proto. How bout PAMELA's linK? LaViolette also described our Sun going into a super Maximum type cycle. When this occurred.

OK link to PAMELA

I am impressed an International collaboration. Latest articles in right collumn.

Nov 24th, 2008, 8:14 PM
Ya gotta keep checking this link for new info.
toggle down and you'll find the info.
sorry I skipped the link. As always, I have several
irons in the fire at once..
my bad.

As for the "fault" or Rift found off of the coast:
Discovery of the large underwater volcano was not an entire surprise to researchers. Crew members of a research ship say they were surprised to find a volcano more than 10,000 feet underwater off the coast of Washington State.
Nov 24, 2008 - 2:29:28 PM

ooh, look who's comin' for thanksgiving dinner.

Glacial Ridge
Nov 24th, 2008, 8:40 PM
Something has got to be up big time with this Proto.

Governments seem to be spending alot of time and effort looking for cosmic rays and dark energy.

We just found out last week that the French were to launch a vast observatory.

Just gives me the impression that they have it in their sites for a concerned reason.

Just saw who was coming for dinner LOL

Glacial Ridge
Nov 24th, 2008, 9:00 PM
Right on again Proto,

In Figure 3 is shown the differential energy
spectrum measured in different regions of the South Atlantic Anomaly. Proton selection criteria
are the same used in the determination of the absolute galactic spectrum. It is possible
to see the increase of the flux toward the centre of the anomaly. Particle flux exceeds several
orders of magnitude the flux of secondary (reentrant albedo) particles measured in the same
cutoff region outside the anomaly and it is maximum where the magnetic field is lowest...

The effect of decreasing solar

activity on the increasing flux of cosmic rays is visible even at solar quiet period, in agreement
with the increase of neutron monitor fluxes.

Nov 25th, 2008, 7:12 AM
Well here is something you dont read about everyday especially in spain.

Mallorcan residents and holidaymakers witnessed a rare meteorological spectacular yesterday evening as nine tornados formed over the sea, circling the Spanish island from the east coast to the bay of Palma on the west.

Nov 25th, 2008, 10:41 AM
For now i have this article regarding ashes, i will go on to search again and as soon as i find somethin on the amount of ash that was released in the air from volcanoes, recently lets say few years back and this year so far.

Here is the article

Mimicking effects of a volcano could cool global warming, claims Nobel Prize winner
GREEN PLANET: A new theory erupts
Vivian Song
Sun Media National Bureau
February 3, 2008

Here's an interesting concept: Fight climate change by inoculating the atmosphere with millions of tonnes of air pollutants.


Simulate the natural effects of a volcano and fire sulphur into the stratosphere using balloons and heavy artillery guns, scientists say, and deflect sunlight away from Earth.

It's an idea that stems from the "Year without Summer," after Indonesia's Mount Tambora erupted into an explosive, fiery blast in 1815. The following year, heavy ash-filled skies blocked sunlight from reaching Earth, resulting in frost and rain-soaked summers around the world.

Cold temperatures dumped a foot of snow on Quebec in June, devastated crops worldwide and plunged countries into famine.

Similarly, the eruption of the Philippines' Mount Pinatubo in 1991 is widely cited as an example of how to cool the Earth with stratospheric aerosols.

The volcanic event spewed enough sulphate particles into the air to cool the Earth's surface on average 0.5C over the following year.

Like other geoengineering schemes -- the large-scale manipulation of Earth systems -- reproducing an artificial volcano comes with a host of caveats and warnings from wary scientists. But as noted by Nobel Prize-winning scientist Paul J. Crutzen, "Given the grossly disappointing international political response to the required greenhouse gas emission," more research on a possible "escape route" like this one shouldn't be tabooed.

In an editorial essay published in the journal Climate Change in 2006, Crutzen says the climate would respond quickly to the injection of sulphates into the atmosphere -- within half a year -- and could be effective on "short notice" if needed.

Blue skies, however, would be a thing of the past as this kind of climatic engineering would whiten the skies and produce fiery, colourful sunrises and sunsets.

The scheme would cost about $50 billion US, or about $50 per capita in the Western world.

In response to Crutzen's article, meteorologist Lennart Bengtsson of the Max Planck Institute for Meteorology in Germany, pointed out in the same journal that such a scheme would have to be carried out for hundreds of years as conditions would return quickly to the same levels if the process were stopped.

But that poses an ethical question, critics say: Is it fair to leave this kind of burden and commitment to the next generations? Is it fair to risk environmental uncertainties to placate immediate concerns?

Tom Wigley of the National Center for Atmospheric Research in the U.S. writes that the scheme could provide a "grace period" of up to 20 years before major cutbacks in greenhouse gases would be required.

And like all geoengineering schemes, therein lies the problem. The danger, Wigley, Bengtsson and Crutzen agree, is that policymakers will use climate engineering as an excuse not to cut emissions.

But a two-pronged approach to mitigating the effects of climate change --cutting emissions and engineering the climate -- could help stabilize global temperatures for the next 40 years, Wigley says.

Nor do stratospheric aerosols sequester carbon, a major drawback considering how present levels of carbon are already undoing Earth systems.

Crutzen also points out that replicating a large-scale volcanic eruption would mimic the same negative consequences. When Mexico's El Chichon erupted in 1982, it destroyed 16% of the local ozone, while Mount Pinatubo caused a global column ozone loss of 2.5%.

"The very best would be if emissions of the greenhouse gases could be reduced so much that the stratospheric sulphur release experiment would not need to take place," Crutzen concludes in his essay.

"Currently, this looks like a pious wish."

-- -- --


Human activities currently account for about 10% of the total amount of aerosols in our atmosphere. Most of that 10% is concentrated in the Northern Hemisphere.



Aerosols are tiny particles suspended in air. Some occur naturally -- from volcanoes, dust, storms, forest fires, living vegetation, and sea spray. Human activities, such as the burning of fossil fuels and the alteration of natural surface cover, also generate aerosols.

A severe volcanic eruption can also put aerosols in the stratosphere (above the troposphere). Since it doesn't rain in the stratosphere, these aerosols remain for months.

Tiny water droplets which form around aerosol particles reflect the sun's energy back to space, preventing some heating of Earth's surface.


Under normal circumstances, the majority of aerosols form a thin haze in the lower atmosphere (troposphere) and get washed away by rain.

From The London Free Press Cnews Canoe.ca


Nov 25th, 2008, 11:11 AM
Volcanic Gases and Their Effects

Magma contains dissolved gases that are released into the atmosphere during eruptions. Gases are also released from magma that either remains below ground (for example, as an intrusion) or is rising toward the surface. In such cases, gases may escape continuously into the atmosphere from the soil, volcanic vents, fumaroles, and hydrothermal systems.

At high pressures deep beneath the earth's surface, volcanic gases are dissolved in molten rock. But as magma rises toward the surface where the pressure is lower, gases held in the melt begin to form tiny bubbles. The increasing volume taken up by gas bubbles makes the magma less dense than the surrounding rock, which may allow the magma to continue its upward journey. Closer to the surface, the bubbles increase in number and size so that the gas volume may exceed the melt volume in the magma, creating a magma foam. The rapidly expanding gas bubbles of the foam can lead to explosive eruptions in which the melt is fragmented into pieces of volcanic rock, known as tephra. If the molten rock is not fragmented by explosive activity, a lava flow will be generated.

Together with the tephra and entrained air, volcanic gases can rise tens of kilometers into Earth's atmosphere during large explosive eruptions. Once airborne, the prevailing winds may blow the eruption cloud hundreds to thousands of kilometers from a volcano. The gases spread from an erupting vent primarily as acid aerosols (tiny acid droplets), compounds attached to tephra particles, and microscopic salt particles.

Volcanic gases undergo a tremendous increase in volume when magma rises to the Earth's surface and erupts. For example, consider what happens if one cubic meter of 900°C rhyolite magma containing five percent by weight of dissolved water were suddenly brought from depth to the surface. The one cubic meter of magma now would occupy a volume of 670 m3 as a mixture of water vapor and magma at atmospheric pressure (Sparks et. al., 1997)! The one meter cube at depth would increase to 8.75 m on each side at the surface. Such enormous expansion of volcanic gases, primarily water, is the main driving force of explosive eruptions.

another info on Gases Krakatoa. more later

Nov 25th, 2008, 11:17 AM
This might be more interesting
Volcanic Gases and Their Effects

The most abundant gas typically released into the atmosphere from volcanic systems is water vapor (H20), followed by carbon dioxide (C02) and sulfur dioxide (S02). Volcanoes also release smaller amounts of others gases, including hydrogen sulfide (H2S), hydrogen (H2), carbon monoxide (CO), hydrogen chloride (HCL), hydrogen fluoride (HF), and helium (He).

Examples of volcanic gas compositions, in volume percent concentrations
(from Symonds et. al., 1994)

Tectonic Style
Temperature Kilauea Summit
Hot Spot
1170°C Erta` Ale
Divergent Plate
1130°C Momotombo
Convergent Plate
H20 37.1 77.2 97.1
C02 48.9 11.3 1.44
S02 11.8 8.34 0.50
H2 0.49 1.39 0.70
CO 1.51 0.44 0.01
H2S 0.04 0.68 0.23
HCl 0.08 0.42 2.89
HF --- --- 0.26

Volcanic air pollution, Kilauea Volcano, Hawai`i
Long-lasting Eruption of Kilauea Volcano, Hawai`i Leads to Volcanic-Air Pollution
In 1986 when the eruption of Kilauea Volcano changed from the episodic fountaining of lava and gas at Pu`u O`o cone every few weeks (first image) to the continuous outpouring of lava from a new vent (second image) only 3 km away, the volcano began releasing a large, steady supply of sulfur dioxide gas into the atmosphere. During the episodic activity, enough time elapsed between fountaining episodes for the prevailing trade winds (brisk winds from the northeast of Hawai`i) to blow volcanic gas away from the island. When the eruption style changed, however, the daily release of as much as 2,000 tons of sulfur dioxide gas led to a persistent air pollution problem downwind.

When sulfur dioxide (SO2)gas is released, it reacts chemically with sunlight, oxygen, dust particles, and water in the air to form a mixture of sulfate (S04-2) aerosols (tiny particles and droplets), sulfuric acid (H2SO4), and other oxidized sulfur species. Together, this gas and aerosol mixture produces a hazy atmospheric condition known as volcanic smog or "vog."
Strong trade winds blow the eruption cloud from the Pu'u O'o vent toward the southwest and the southern part of the Island of Hawai`i (top left). The cloud consists primarily of water vapor and sulfur dioxide. Note that the cloud rises only a few hundred meters above the ground. The direction and velocity of the prevailing wind largely determine the intensity and general location of vog conditions on the Island of Hawai`i. Vog often accumulates against the southwest flank of Mauna Loa Volcano lower right) during normal tradewind conditions.

This digital shaded-relief map shows the usual wind conditions on the island of Hawai`i. Moderate to strong trade winds carry gases and vog from Kilauea Volcano around the southern tip of the island where the gas tends to accumulate on the leeward or "kona" coast. During these usual conditions, vog often becomes trapped by daytime (onshore) and night-time (offshore) breezes (double-headed arrows). During the day, onshore sea breezes carry vog up the slopes of Hualalai and Mauna Loa volcanoes, and into the topographic saddle between Mauna Loa and Mauna Kea. When the landmass cools in the evening, cooler, denser air and vog flow back down to the coast. However, when the trade winds are light or absent or when winds blow from the south, much of the vog stays on the eastern side of the island where it sometimes moves into the city of Hilo.
Many residents on the island of Hawaii depend on rainwater collected by rooftop catchment systems for drinking water. The continuous release of volcanic gases, especially sulfur dioxide, causes rainwater to become acidic downwind of Kilauea's erupting vents. When it falls on roofs, this acid rain leaches lead from roofing nails and paint. The lead-contaminated rainwater then fills the water catchment tanks, creating a health hazard.

for more go to http://pubs.usgs.gov/of/1998/of98-462/


Nov 25th, 2008, 11:20 AM
I will do more search to try to have the exact amount worldwide. recently Krakatoa.

Nov 25th, 2008, 12:22 PM
Whatever that is going on some parts of the world are experiencing some severe weather right now.

Obviously the reports that are emerging lately may suggest something is up.

Glacial Ridge
Nov 25th, 2008, 6:17 PM
Thank you Krakatoa. Learned some things new about volcanoes.

Ryangti, freaky tornados. Followed some of the other links on your original link and found more freaky tornados.

Did you read about that new under the ocean volcano offshore Washington state?

Nov 25th, 2008, 8:36 PM
No im afraid i had sat down and watched survivors a new BBC programme.
Another day then of more dramatic earth changes, i watched the day after tomorrow again and thought you know what some of this has happened in real life since being made.

Even though the film was classed as hollywood trash some of the weather that had happened in the film have come to pass in many parts of the world already.
So each time i watch it it gets a little too close for comfort now that some of us are witnessing some of the events in real life right now.

I hate to think though how cold its going to get over here,spain well many brits have moved there in search for better weather.
I say now it does not matter where you live as its becoming a reality and you are no longer able to hide from it.

Nov 26th, 2008, 4:38 AM
Alot of the time as we are searching for something, it is the "un seen" things
that "grab" our attention. For instance, Look at the weather sat for the usa.
what you see is alot of disturbance in the atmosphere with systems "going
heywire" spinning systems and systems coming from different directions.
What you don't see is where the heat that is fueling these storms is coming
from. Now look at the sat again. This time, look at parts of the usa that has
no systems. What you "dont' see" is exactly where the heat is coming from.
Beneath the N. AMerican Plate the heat is escaping using it's path of least
resistance. See how there are dark or dark shaded areas of the USA continent?
ThaT IS heat escaping.
NOw, look at the pacific ocean. Alot of systems are "rising" from the ocean
there due to the release of toxins from various means.., volcano's / faultlines
etc..any place where the crust is the weakest.
Really LOOK and you will see how it all comes together...
I went back into my beginning research mode and found this for you to
read. As this uplift is prevlent today..and if we don't learn from history, then we just won't learn.... http://www.thule.org/crustaluplift/index.html

So, you want to be a weather warrior? good. first rule, learn how to read the
clouds. Lean how to "hunt for the wedge" and get a good idea where the
troposphere is located. Keep in mind that radar's can only reach to 600 ft above ground so anything 600 ft to ground level isnt seen. That is where the humans come in...
So only "report" what you have documented on film...<if you call in a system>
you won't get a second chance if you are wrong. Check local papers for
info on the free classes held by your local weather people.
or your local Ham radio operators. They will know when/where classes are held.

The internet is being censored now. Data sets are being "manipulated"
and changed to "appease those who really don't know climate change but
have the authority to do so"
Which sucks.

Nov 26th, 2008, 8:45 PM
Polar Bears clinging to ice bergs got nothin on the past treatment of bears..
Going back to the LAST PRECISSION OF THE EQUINOX, approx 28,000
yrs ago, well, you read this and a clearer picture of our future emerges....

Last weeks announcement of Earths Bombardment from an unknown place
within our local region has been found.
The high energy particles are coming from near the Constellation Orion.
Protons which are the building blocks of energy has been added to our
atmosphere X 100 these past weeks. And the earth is reacting "in kind"
to this "assault" of particles, the CMB <core mantle boundry> in a flux?
You betcha' I sure would love to know what kind of "signature" sound are
coming from the Active Volcano's of the world...Orion particles eh..

Now where is that CO2 blanket? http://www.climatechangefraud.com/content/blogcategory/22/228/

Nov 27th, 2008, 4:52 PM
A sensational report maybe!

Weatherwise uk seems to getting colder again and small splashes of rain from time to time,other than that it seems pretty normal for once.
Saying that though we seem to get a quiet patch then all hell seems to break loose all at once.

Nov 28th, 2008, 2:56 AM
The first sentence from that article is the global temperature COULD rise,
and as we know, it DID NOT RISE BUT IT FELL and the reports from the
"reputable" sources were false.
However, unless I am completely insane, I've noticed a pattern change within
the USA. It seems that the Continental Shelf which stretches out about 50
miles offshore seems to be releasing heat. The infrareds sat's show the hot
spots under the crust as well as through the atmosphere. And the Continental
Shelf "line" is very pronounced lately telling me that heat is escaping from
under the N. American Continent. <my theory> As I see these boundry lines
as storms move west to east and then fall flat as soon as it meets up with
that boundry line....

My storm alarm went off at 249am. It rang for quite a long time considering
It woke me up. Ice and water hovering above getting ready to "dump" probably..

I was watching a "line of disturbance" coming from Venezuela yesterday
and raised an eyebrow over the fact that energy "morphed" in that area
wondering what the hell Chavez and the russians are up to....unless there is
a volcano nearby there that released some energy..:ghost:

Nov 28th, 2008, 10:22 AM

I will check out about the volcanoe off shore Washington State, it might be a volcanoe from the Cascadia subduction Zone. It could also be the Juan de Fuca Ridge, Gorda Ridge, or Axial Seamount

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Nov 28th, 2008, 7:14 PM
I guess something is expected?
News south wales is back in the news yet again with some major floods it seems.

Glacial Ridge
Nov 28th, 2008, 8:58 PM
Take a look around the planet Ryangti, just to the north of Australia is a highly seismic area. Correct me if I'am wrong but the fastest moving plate on the planet is where Australia is sitting? Second fastest plate is the India plate?

Look also at South America and its connection to the South Pole.

http://www.nrlmry.navy.mil/data_htdocs_dyn/sat_pages/thumbs/global/stitched/vapor/50_20081128.1800.multisat.wv.stitched.Global.x.jpg (http://www.nrlmry.navy.mil/sat-bin/display10.cgi?SIZE=full&PHOT=yes&AREA=global/stitched&PROD=vapor&TYPE=ssmi&NAV=global&DISPLAY=Latest&ARCHIVE=Latest&CGI=global.cgi&CURRENT=20081128.1800.multisat.wv.stitched.Global. x.jpg&MOSAIC_SCALE=15)

http://www.nrlmry.navy.mil/sat-bin/display10.cgi?SIZE=thumb&PHOT=yes&AREA=global/stitched&PROD=vapor&NAV=global&DISPLAY=Latest&CGI=global.cgi&CURRENT=20081128.1800.multisat.wv.stitched.Global. x.jpg&MOSAIC_SCALE=15

I like this satellite composite for its global perspective. For details I use others. So sometimes while reading about all those flood articles you post check out the bigger picture.

Nov 29th, 2008, 4:32 AM
Have you ever been "haunted" by an image or a photograph? Well, I have been
recently....The pictures of MARS as it is now. With it's "rubber like" appearance
and info that the planet is thousands of feet above it's former "sea level"..
meaning, the planet "imploded" and swelled to the size it is now...You can see
the water channels and where there were mountains..it makes you wonder why
this planet changed so drastically...
I wonder if Mars was inhabitable..Were there a civilization there? Was the planet
at one time, full of life?
The pics of mars says things to me. That it had beautiful waters..and it had
terrain not so far removed from Earth's and it had deep deep oceans full of
life at one time...But what happened to it? There is no crust. Hell there is only
remnants of water held witin ice cores. No crust, No tectonic plates, No indication at all that this planet was a thriving planet EXCEPT for the deep channels carved deep within..I've thought about it and the only thing that I can come up with
is the possibility that the planet was so full at one time, so full of <something>
that the immense pressure "globally" made the damn thing implode.

Mars looks like a "pig skin" taut and withered by time...

Why does this haunt me? Because ya gotta think of the immense pressure that Earth is under. My god. We have built such heavy things such as buildings, bridges etc...and WORLDWIDE! It makes you wonder how the tectonic plates can even
move around under the crust..But it does...until there is a KINK....
Is this kink how things start? A kink in the rotation axis of the planet?
the kink until it grows "out of bounds" and the plates simply don't touch anymore?

As the planet grows, and it is...what does this mean?

And knowing that some of the volcano's from Hawaii have moved off of their "hot spots" means that the energy is being released directly into the pacific ocean
is this the "tell tale signs" of a planet's "reaction chamber" <core> changing?

I ponder this as I ponder the Core Mantle Boundry and the fact that the CMB is
not doing the job of "holding it all in" anymore...

I surmise that if earth stopped spinning on it's axis for any reason, that the
geo dynamo would behave like a bomb and it would only be a matter of time
until it exploded in order to release it's excess heat..
and EARTH would look just like MARS......

Nov 29th, 2008, 10:36 AM
ABOUT 80 pilot whales have stranded on rocks on Tasmania's remote west coast, authorities say.
What does this say to you and why has it happened?

I have looked at the map and get what you mean.
Here is more on yesterdays floods in tamworth.

Nov 30th, 2008, 12:47 PM
Check out this article about the earth's core. Everyone has an "interpretation" of what really lies below. Believe me, there IS a Nuke reaction chamber there which
"powers" this planet. An Iron Core or simply a "metallic" ball electrified and magnetized swimming on a plasma field.

Our weather however, is powered by the SUN.
and the sun has decided to flip some switches and zap some gas here and there
to change the "outflow" of materials..As our planet deals with "older" gas and
material from the sun it also has to deal with other radiative materials like the
field of debris the earth is encountering..And the WIDE spin axis of our World
right now allows this "material" in alot easier..

I'll bet that the Whales got stranded because of Military Exercises going on
in the Worlds Oceans..Sonar and "other things..." confuse the whales. And the
ocean floor spewing toxin's in their faces don't help either!

Uneven land mass and weak land mass will sink. Probably at the opposite of
a mountain building area. Plates located at both poles are pressing and pressurizing the polar zonal areas that is why earthquakes there are dangerous. You certainly
don't want an "uneven" pole. That would be disasterous to all life.

It really is amazing how much water the atmosphere can hold.
If it don't like the "form of water" it will change it.

What a Great Big Beautiful, VIOLENT planet Earth really is..amazing..

Glacial Ridge
Nov 30th, 2008, 1:49 PM
Our weather however, is powered by the SUN.
and the sun has decided to flip some switches and zap some gas here and there
to change the "outflow" of materials..As our planet deals with "older" gas and
material from the sun it also has to deal with other radiative materials like the
field of debris the earth is encountering..And the WIDE spin axis of our World
right now allows this "material" in alot easier..

That material including cosmic rays are getting in alot easier in that south Atlantic anomaly. Cosmic rays, volcanic ash, smoke, smog, vog etc are cloud condensating nuclei CCN. All that water vapor mixing it up with CCN and rain, rain, rain and snow, snow, snow.

<H1>Danish researchers build magnetic observatory in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean

The Earth's magnetic field is losing strength

At present the strength of the Earth’s magnetic field is decreasing by 5% every hundred years and researchers do not know why or what the consequences will be. In the South Atlantic Anomaly, the strength of the magnetic field is decreasing ten times as fast and the measuring station will therefore also give the researchers the opportunity to learn more about the consequences of the global weakening of the magnetic field.

The magnetic field protects the Earth from radiation from space and the area around the South Atlantic Anomaly is therefore very poorly protected. In the Anomaly, the radiation belts that surround the Earth, the van Allen belts, are very close to the surface of the Earth.


This might help explain why the satellites keep showing South America lit up like a Christmas tree almost year round.

Ryangti... my thought on the whale die off, of which there have been TWO in that region lately, was similar to that of Protostars, but add in those recent larger quakes. Something under the ocean got messed up on them.

Gotta read your latest link now Proto..

Glacial Ridge
Nov 30th, 2008, 2:45 PM
I would just like the folks to see how large the hole in or magnetic field is. So, when we refer to incoming dark energy they can visualize it as well. Also, the field strength at the top and bottom of the magnetic poles themselves, have a hole just by virtue of the fields shape! (auroras should ring bells here)


A graphical representation of the total magnetic field strength at the Earth's surface inferred from the IGRF2000 is shown below. The blueish-black range of colors represents a field strength above the mean field at the surface and the reddish-yellow range a field strength below the mean field. Obviously, the geomagnetic field is strongest near the magnetic poles (north-east Canada and the Australian side of the Antarctis). A secondary maximum appears in Sibiria. The most pronounced minimum is found in the south-eastern part of South America and in the South Atlantic, it is known under the name "South Atlantic Anomaly" (SAA). The main reason for the Sibirian maximum and the South Atlantic minimum is the "excentric dipole" nature of the geomagnetic field: if the field were approximated by a simple dipole the dipole would need to be placed about 700 km away from the centre of the Earth in order to render best agreement.


Proto...just wondering here if you are seeing a relationship between seismic activity and the weaker field area, red, yellow and green? If the magma is in motion that has a tendency to cause fluctuations in the field? So the red area???

Glacial Ridge
Dec 1st, 2008, 6:41 AM
Wondering aloud again...

Blobs Inside Earth Like Peanut Butter
By Robert Roy Britt (http://www.nsf.gov/), LiveScience Managing Editor
posted: 02 May 2008 ET

One clue to the new thinking is that seismic waves traveling through the planet have long been measured to travel at inexplicably different speeds. Sharp speed changes suggest differing materials. On each side of the planet there are two big, chemically distinct, dense piles or blobs of material (http://www.livescience.com/php/multimedia/imagedisplay/img_display.php?s=environment&c=&l=on&pic=080502-earth-inside-02.jpg&cap=Red+and+blue+regions+depict+zones+where+seismi c+waves+propagate+slower+or+faster+than+average%2C +respectively.+Distant+earthquakes+%28e.g.%2C+the+ red+star%29+send+seismic+energy+throughout+the+pla net%2C+which+traverses+anomalous+structure+and+bri ngs+information+about+Earth%92s+internal+structure +to+the+planet%92s+surface.+The+large+red+region+b eneath+the+Pacific+Ocean+sits+atop+the+hot+molten+ iron+core+%28orange+ball%29%2C+is+best+explained+a s+chemically+distinct+from+the+rest+of+the+mantle. +Credit%3A+AAAS%2FScience&title=) that are hundreds of kilometers thick – one beneath the Pacific and the other below the Atlantic and Africa, the researchers say.
"You can picture these piles like peanut butter," McNamara said. "It is solid rock, but rock under very high pressures and temperatures becomes soft like peanut butter, so any stresses will cause it to flow."
How stuff moves within the piles should help scientists better understand how surface plates (http://www.livescience.com/forcesofnature/060413_earth_tremors.html) move around, causing earthquakes and building mountains.
"The piles dictate how the convective cycles happen, how the currents circulate," McNamara said. "If you don't have piles then convection will be completely different."


I believe that I read somewhere that they have been seeing rapidly changing magnetic field anomalies, (fluxuations) near the Australian plate and in Africa exact locations I would have to look for. Is that the movement of the above peanut butter like magma they are describing above??? In my last post there is a older picture of the South Atlantic Anomaly.

Dec 1st, 2008, 9:11 AM
Sirens sound in Venice as sea water surges into St Mark's Square.
Someone said this may happen sooner or later guess water levels are rising after all.

Dec 1st, 2008, 12:04 PM
Sirens sound in Venice as sea water surges into St Mark's Square.
Someone said this may happen sooner or later guess water levels are rising after all.

This happens about 4 times every year, no need to panic.

Dec 1st, 2008, 1:29 PM
There is a crack in the Magnetic field that allows all kinds of materials into our
atmosphere. http://www.Spaceweather.com has a recent article that explains A Crack in Earth's magnetosphere briefly opening and allowing solar wind to pour in.
That is in excess to the "normal way" the material enters in by swirling in at the south pole and then, bouncing it's way to the north pole.
Great Graphics you got there Glacial..Just imagine the vast amount of different
materials entering in as we are being "squished" by debris at this time in earth's orbit. Actually the whole solar system is getting the squeeze on.
In 2004 scientists found Strange Aurora activity found at Saturns' South pole. A huge aurora just sitting there, and here it is again.. Link:http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/050216_saturn_aurora.html

Yeah, the sat's can find earths hotspots as well. Why not? it's infrared and anything with a "hot core" will show up! Busy cells aloft are mostly found
with that thing but i've found a "wave or two" that was interesting.

Dec 1st, 2008, 4:28 PM
Back to Venice its not the first but after two decades it is being reported its much higher than its ever been.

Cholera may emerge im sure if it were to continue this is one thing we do forget about i guess.
Obviously the wetter the world becomes the more disease emerges as we did not bother to keep ourselves cleaner and instead dumped garbage on the street.

Dec 2nd, 2008, 5:37 AM
You have great insight Ryan. You know, Run away Green House Gas is formed
when there is so much cloud coverage that pollution cannot escape up into
the atmosphere. Below the clouds where factory spew their toxins getting
"captured" by the "cloud ceiling" and averted sideways to choke the air
right to ground level. Thank god we are not at that point yet. And hopefully
we won't get there...

The Suns' Southern and Northern Coronal Holes are looking mighty weak.
Check out the sun's EIT pics. It looks like they are weakly "petering out"

Some fool is starting to say such things..It is NOT TRUE.
It is simply sleeping and while it sleeps, <like many men I know> it FARTS
GAS and heh, and it's got an "upset stomach" spewing it's hydrogen and
"slophing off" older gas and materials....In this period of it's LIFE, it is
appearently getting smaller due to the expelling of it's materials. It's losing
weight! Not a DIRE THING.
Our weather will be in a turmoil while the sun goes through this "period"

Whatnot from the solar system has entered Earth. The magnetometer
which "records" entering of these materials <North and South, East and West
and Up and Down> is now at rest. Whatever was nearby is now IN..
Sat's don't lie...Great Vast Systems envelope our planet. And they merge..
now, from Venezuela to Canada is a great "swath" and as it moves it "sucks up"
more material to help it grow.

Earth's condensation get's a boost by these materials.
And as they "swirl" around, it not uncommon to see tornados form.
so keep your eyes peeled on any cloud system that looks suspicious.

Sea Water rising sure, how about a land mass lowering as the
mass in the center of the earth moves and readjusts?

Dec 2nd, 2008, 11:53 AM
Below average temps in the uk and its cold thats for sure.
Scotland is on a severe weather alert with heavy snow.

Dec 3rd, 2008, 4:03 AM
Good news! Poland is going to have a climate change discussion and they will
figure out how to stop global warming. hahahahaha.
The only thing that a human can do is curb it's pollution which is a good thing
because sooner or later the "ceiling" will lower and all you'll see is clouds.
Under the clouds is where we reside so curbing what we inhale would be a
great idea....,
Since the sun has sprayed our planet with HYDROGEN and our ozone layer is
made up of OXYGEN and the green house gas is made of CO2.
Lets see what that combination creates....
hmm. hydrogen/oxygen and 2 er H2O
sound familiar?
That is what is "encasing our planet" now. ICE.

Really, it's a planets condensation. But this water isn't alone. It is full of
energetic particles. Free Flying electrons caught up in an "eddy" creates a
tornado. Apparenly now tornados dont need heat anymore since now there are
"winter tornados" made from left over "thundersnow" products..
If you think that is "crazy" just wait until the tornado's shoot thunderbolts
from em.

I don't know about you but our weather here in eastern usa has been
near or below freezing for weeks...as predicted...

Dec 3rd, 2008, 11:30 AM
This is for my area:


Between 6" an 8" of snow overnight.

Dec 3rd, 2008, 2:04 PM
Unseasonal sandstorms hit Korea in December for the second year running.
Its getting milder for us at the weekend thats some relief.

Dec 3rd, 2008, 5:22 PM
Wow Sand, scotland looks coooold! and what exactly is a moor?
I really don't know anything about Europe, my bad. I love blizzards! heh.
Hopefully you are prepared.., of course you are, you've been on AO a long time!

Alyeska, Alaska has a great ski resort. Opening day they got 200 ft
of snow. 200! check out these moves:

The active infrareds are painting an ugly picture lately..the clouds are
even unusual looking. Other solar radiation I bet. And that could be any
thing at all. gamma rays/ x rays/gas/dirt/dust/ you name it. And the
infrareds are scorching hot! also, the magnetometer got a "blip" not much
but something got in. POLAR COLD. brrrrrrr

Glacial Ridge
Dec 3rd, 2008, 6:51 PM
As if we don't have enough to worry about. Man thinks he can cool the planet by adding sulfur to the atmosperic mix.
My afternoon sky already had those violet hues and my sunset was plenty red enough already. Thank you. Oh boy got to use the snowblower again today. lol

Check this out!

Scientists Discuss Replicating Volcano’s Effect to Cool Climate
Monday, December 01, 2008
By Sara Burrows

(CNSNews.com) - Scientists discussed the merits and demerits of pumping sulfur into the Earth’s atmosphere as a temporary “fix” to global warming at a forum hosted in Washington, D.C., on Nov. 21 by the American Meteorological Society (AMS).
...“In particular, Crutzen and Wigley focused on blocking incoming solar radiation, an idea that has generated much interest in the press and the scientific community,” the AMS explained in a posting on the forum on its Web site. “Nature offers an example of how to do this. Volcanic eruptions cool the climate for up to a couple of years by injecting precursors to sulfate aerosol particles into the stratosphere, which has the effect of temporarily blocking incoming sunlight.”...


Dec 3rd, 2008, 9:18 PM
A giant wind turbine near Peterborough has been switched off after its frozen blades threw off shards of ice - many crashing into nearby homes.
That obviously tells you how cold it is over here.

Most of the uk are in for snow storms scotland getting it the worst.
Parts of northern Britain could see snowfalls of 20cm (7.8in) in the coming hours, weather forecasters say.

Now is not the time for cold weather with obvious energy price increases and the recession on top i call these harsh times.
As for that flu from oz some of my sons friends are coming down with the symptoms already!

Trust me my heating is on constant but not feeling the effects as house is badly insulated,its turned down low to save money of course but can still feel the chill.
Cant win i suppose either way it seems as will be the case for many others.

Dec 4th, 2008, 5:47 AM
I had a feeling that they were already "minipulating" the stratosphere already
using ionization of some sort. The Clouds had too many "scalloped edges" which
tells me that something was added. I figured that it was something to "heat up
the giant ice chunks" held firmly in the stratosphere..The atmosphere is NOT
hot. The Earth is warm due to the excess heat from below. WE KNOW THIS.
Warm Winds blow sure, but just a mile or two straight up it's a WHOLE DIFFERENT SITUATION. They wont let go of global warming, its like cancer, why would they
find the 'FIX' when it generates BILLIONS OF DOLLARS?
With the dimming of the sun as it sleeps, you know the truth.

I am anxious over what kind of lie the "smoothest talker on the planet" will
tell the AMerican people after he becomes president. I know it's coming.
Your average person cannot handle the truth, we suck up lies like it's the
second coming! so this ought to be interesting.

Have you noticed that info on the "new fault" and "new volcano" found near
W.Coast of america is completely gone. Shut down. You can't find any info on
these two "new" formations. The clamp is on because people need an excuse
to "act up" and if they knew that the North AMerican Plate is in serious trouble
all hell would break out. Look at Japan and the areas around where the n. american plate and the Jaun Defuca plates meet. Complete anarchy!
constant rumbling as they gnash and gnaw at each other all the while being
pushed upward.

On another note, check out the solar wind that just entered.

Glacial Ridge
Dec 4th, 2008, 6:40 AM
Quote Protostar
Have you noticed that info on the "new fault" and "new volcano" found near
W.Coast of america is completely gone. Shut down. You can't find any info on
these two "new" formations. The clamp is on because people need an excuse
to "act up" and if they knew that the North AMerican Plate is in serious trouble
all hell would break out. Look at Japan and the areas around where the n. american plate and the Jaun Defuca plates meet. Complete anarchy!
constant rumbling as they gnash and gnaw at each other all the while being
pushed upward

Found this today...

Seismologists study desert earthquake ‘swarm’
TRONA--An earthquake “swarm” that’s been rattling portions of San Bernardino and Inyo counties won’t settle down.

It’s been a robust sequence with fairly large events in the magnitude four range.

Seismologist Anthony Guarino at Caltech says the series began November 23rd just north of Trona. “It could continue for days or even weeks and it could stop within the next couple of hours.”

There has been no reported damage in the immediate area of the epicenters along the Ash Hill Fault. That’s part of the more extensive Panamint Valley Fault System on the south edge of Death Valley.

Story Date: December 4, 2008

Something else to keep our eyes on.

Indonesia quake predictions also in the news.
hmmm Just north of Australia...go figure.

Earth communicating with the atmosphere, through electricity and magnetism or something to that effect.

Glacial Ridge
Dec 4th, 2008, 12:24 PM
Wilkins Ice Shelf Under Threat
by Staff Writers
Paris, France (ESA) Dec 04, 2008
New rifts have developed on the Wilkins Ice Shelf that could lead to the opening of the ice bridge that has been preventing the ice shelf from disintegrating and breaking away from the Antarctic Peninsula.

The ice bridge connects the Wilkins Ice Shelf to two islands, Charcot and Latady. As seen in the Envisat image above acquired on 26 November 2008, new rifts (denoted by colourful lines and dates of the events) have formed to the east of Latady Island and appear to be moving in a northerly direction. Dr Angelika Humbert from the Institute of Geophysics, Munster University, and Dr Matthias Braun from the Center for Remote Sensing, University of Bonn, spotted the newly formed rifts during their daily monitoring activities of the ice sheet via Envisat Advanced Synthetic Aperture Radar (ASAR) acquisitionsIn February 2008 an area of about 400 square kilometers broke off from the ice shelf, narrowing the ice bridge down to a 6 km strip. At the end of May 2008 an area of about 160 square kilometer broke off, reducing the ice bridge to just 2.7 km. Between 30 May and 9 July 2008, the ice shelf experienced further disintegration and lost about 1 350 square kilometer...


I know there are some volcanoes down there. But what I am wondering is if the movement of this plate which is attached to the Australian plate has anything to do with the new predictions about Indonesian quakes???

Dec 4th, 2008, 2:34 PM
((And knowing that some of the volcano's from Hawaii have moved off of their "hot spots" means that the energy is being released directly into the pacific ocean
is this the "tell tale signs" of a planet's "reaction chamber" <core> changing?))

Proto, Hawai is probably doing the same as Galapagos, these island where right on the submarines volcanoes that became island, now the power center, of volcanic activity, is on the same spot, but the islands are moving a far, not a volcanoes anymore, and other island form on the same spot were the submarines volcanoes are, and doing new island in the making.

So that means that there is more then one spot like this, at the least.

And it is getting cold here!!! big winds before the cold front, they say we will have a storm in the futur maybe monday i will tell you about this when i know more.


Glacial Ridge
Dec 4th, 2008, 6:42 PM
Strong quake potential remains in Sumatra -study

WASHINGTON, Dec 3 (Reuters) - An area off Indonesia's Sumatra island that has been the source of disastrous earthquakes still carries a lot of pent-up pressure that could result in a strong quake, researchers reported on Wednesday....
..."We use Global Positioning System (GPS) measurements, field measurements of uplift, synthetic aperture radar (SAR) interferometry (InSAR) and seismological records to estimate the source parameters of the two large earthquakes of 12 September 2007," they added.
They found the 2007 quakes released only some of the pent-up movement and pressure that is occurring as one tectonic plate rubs against another there...


Wonder if they will fiind anymore volcanoes in Antarctica.

Dec 5th, 2008, 3:29 AM
Great articles! really informative. So much climate changing news as the scientists are really "diggin in their heels" Here's an article on winter tornados!
I saw one last week completely blindsided me even though I knew they were
possible. SEEING IS BELIEVING. I still "chickened out" and didnt' report it...
That won't happen again. I will be prepared! <camera ready>

Science is catching up!
Large quantities of CO2 found in earths mantle, ECNEWS I articles when I first started
this explained the "role" of viscus materials. Now, PROOF! heh..Anyway,
the mantle holds this carbon and releases it as it has done for millions of years.
it's not global warming, it's earth's mantle convecting.

Ya know, the entire earth's crust eventually sinks into the mantle to be
regenerated. That process takes it through the lithosphere and athensophere
and then back up to the surface again. Let's hope that this process is NOT
in a rapid phase...

Greenhouse emissions increasing, you don't say...hmmm. I guess they should
take a peak at the article above!

As our solar system changes, all the planets react and check out Venus,
why- it has the same "bright white" clouds that our own beloved planet has......
<photonic material> scientists say it's an unknown material. mama says photonic.

So, from the article that Glacial posted it seems to me that there has NOT been
a "good enough" release of energy..Hoo boy, you know what that means?
The hunt is on for some Pwaves...
Jesus, there has GOT to be some very nervous scientists out there...
just knowing that, say, yellowstone's "hot spot" is over due and the caldera
is growing gives an inkling that the movement below is "heating up"

Dec 5th, 2008, 3:56 AM

that's Tuesday 9th December over the UK.

extending predictions made 2 weeks ago that the UK will be cold!

that one above HAS to produce some serious snow but from the North East this time.

the odds are shortening for a white Christmas in the UK!

Dec 6th, 2008, 3:13 AM
Again, 2:45am wake up thinking about the Core Mantle Boundry <CMB>
It seems to me that the Core of Earth is Growing. Our Giant Magnet/Star
encased in a thin layer <egg shell> and that covered in a gel/liquid.
Somewhere along the line, the core couldn't "cool down" that particular
mechanism stopped and the Core is growing as a result.
I think that during the "formative" years of the earth, the Colorado River
was a key player. The 2 piston engine used it to cool down. I'm not sure of
the "role" that caves play in all of this perhaps the cavern systems has a
direct line through the mantle to the core?? the point being:
Anyway, how do you cool down an engine when you don't have direct access to it?
Put the colorado river back to it's original flow? <when hoover dam was built, they re-routed it> I can't help but think that since they found water in the mantle,
the water was "blocked" from accessing the core to cool it down so there it stays, in the mantle.. What happens to an engine when it cannot cool down?
We need to think of a way to cool that engine down, <ore> we will end up
like Mars. I think Mar's core didn't wink out, oh no, it exploded under there and
it is still alive and growing, only it's got a small core now so the planet is at "rest"
that's what I think anyway.
You cant' get close enough to our core to see what it needs. But I tell ya it
needs to cool it's engine down.
Time is an oscillation of matter. And if the "timing chain" gets screwed up, then
the whole mechanism eventually fails.

on to other things:
Southern Cali had a 5.1 today dec 6 so there goes some of that pent up energy.

Check out the magnetometer, we got a huge solar wind bump on there this morning to add to our already "full" atmosphere..more electrons/protons to
keep that sky energized!

Dec 6th, 2008, 7:45 AM
very informative thanks.
Did not know there was a quake, in hawaii they are predicting 20- to 25-foot waves.
This was from yesterday.
UK -1-2 and only upto 4 degrees its getting colder dont you think?


Dec 6th, 2008, 12:57 PM
A STRONG 6.2-magnitude quake has struck East Timor, the United States Geological Survey (USGS) says, but there were no reports of casualties or damage.

Glacial Ridge
Dec 6th, 2008, 5:47 PM
Well Proto, I think she is letting off some steam today.
Check IRIS. Just a poppin like crazy.

Ryangti look above Australia now on that IRIS link. Oh boy!

Dec 6th, 2008, 5:56 PM
A STRONG 6.2-magnitude quake has struck East Timor, the United States Geological Survey (USGS) says, but there were no reports of casualties or damage.

Got a link for this one? And are there any tsunami warnings?

Dec 6th, 2008, 6:50 PM
No warnings given so thats kind of good news for once.

Dec 7th, 2008, 4:45 PM
Brrr! it's a bone chillin' 16 degrees and getting colder...,
We have a "clash of 2 systems" to watch this week in the USA
as temps warm up and meets up with the frosty side of things..
the atmosphere is in a haze from so much activity and the infrareds.
geesh! full of it all..


With all of the magnetometers going off, north and south, east and west and
equator~ just shows you that the energy in our atmosphere is of a new partical
strength coming from just outside our planets sheath:
Interplanetary magnetic field lines can connect with a planet's magnetic field through a process called magnetic reconnection. Magnetic reconnection is a phenomenon of great importance to our solar system, and presumably to other star systems, because it converts energy stored in magnetic fields into particle kinetic energy.
Abstract here:

So, get ready for some ACTION!!

Dec 7th, 2008, 9:08 PM
Earlier i had mentioned in my usual weather thread that once again Queensland had seen some severe thunderstorms.
Im the bearer of more bad news im afraid as Queensland may yet be hit once again with more severe storms.
Although another report beforehand had reported very hot weather this now has to be evidence of climate change surely?

More quake news Iran has been hit with a 5.6.

Dec 7th, 2008, 9:09 PM
big bang? How can anybody understand the "big bang" if they have not been back when the Universe was created.

Dec 8th, 2008, 5:26 AM
Not quite sure what you are referring to gordon. The Big Bang Theory?
Advanced Physics explains that when you look through a telescope into space,
say 10,000 light years, you are looking 10,000 years into the PAST.
So technically you can "see" the big bang if you were a scientist and were able
to access those very powerful telescopes..
You can only look into the past in space. NEVER THE FUTURE as there isn't any
particles to "trace".

Who has the best poker face in scientific communities? Who tells us that the
earth is warming? Who releases the info for the "greater gain" of monatary
fulfillment? And why?

IN 2008 44,000,000 more people starved which means that the earth is producing
less and less foods..Ryan posts lists of crop failures so re-read those posts!
In 2009 there will be less food on the shelves.
In 2009 food prices will soar due to the lack of perishable items...
In 2009 the economy "drops off"

by federal or state dollars will TELL YOU WHAT IS REALLY GOING ON.

We have just entered the RAPID CLIMATE CHANGE CHALLENGE.


Space and Science Research Center
Milestone Events

The following milestones represent a record of key events for the Space and Science Research Center (SSRC) regarding the next climate change:

1. April 26-29, 2007. The final phase of an independent study into the influences of solar cycles on the Earth’s climate is concluded resulting in the “RC Theory.” This research was conducted by John Casey, a former White House space policy advisor and space shuttle engineer, who is now Director of the Space and Science Research Center. In addition to the theory being proposed as a model for future climate prediction, the research showed the next climate change would bring a period of deep and long lasting cold to the Earth, with potentially serious impacts on the world’s agricultural, social and economic systems.

2. April 30, 2007: Initial notification is made to the White House and later to major government agencies of coming cold era. This was the first alert sent to the White House and the administration of President George W. Bush warning of much colder temperatures globally as a result of the next climate change.

3. May 2007-Present: Through a series of early press releases, John Casey begins a multi-year, comprehensive, and intensive effort to have major US and international media outlets start coverage of the expected climate change to a potentially dangerous cold period. As such, Mr. Casey and the later formed Space and Science Research Center become the first to alert the media and the US citizens in an active public campaign of information about the coming climate change.

4. January 2, 2008: Space and Science Research Center (SSRC) is activated. It thus becomes the first US research organization dedicated to the science of and planning for the next climate change to a period of long lasting cold weather.

5. January 2, 2008: SSRC issues its first press release “Changes in the Sun’s Surface to Bring Next Climate Change.” This release includes use of the term “solar hibernation” to describe periods of reduced solar activity or sunspot minimums that result in dramatically colder climates on Earth. The SSRC web site was established at www.spaceandscience.net.

6. January 14, 2008: SSRC issues its second press release, “New Climate Change Theory Gains Influential Support.” This release included praise from international scientists and a strong recommendation from past Chairman of the US House of Representatives Science Committee saying that (the RC Theory) “should be seriously considered….” At the same time, other international scientists join with the SSRC to form the first of its kind research entity.

7. January 22, 2008: The SSRC posts on line the SSRC Research Report 1-2008, The RC Theory. The peer reviewed report is titled “The existence of ‘relational cycles’ of solar activity on a multi-decadal to centennial scale, as significant models of climate change on Earth.” This pivotal report forms the core of research at the SSRC and includes the important prediction that “…the next solar minimum will likely be accompanied by the coldest period globally for the past 200 years and as such, has the potential to result in world wide, agricultural, social, and economic disruption.” This is believed to be the first such research report of an independent research organization to be posted on line via the internet for the specific purpose of alerting the world’s citizens to the next climate change.

8. June 2, 2008: SSRC notifies the governors of all US states of the need to prepare their states for the cold weather effects of the next climate change.

9. June 11, 2008: SSRC notifies all US Senators and leaders of the House of Representatives Science Committee of the “…imminent global climate change and the important effects it will have….”

10. July 1, 2008: SSRC holds news conference to announce, “Global Warming Has Ended – The Next Climate Change to A Pronounced Cold Era Has Begun.” The SSRC issued its third press release for 2008 concurrently. The SSRC was the first independent research organization to make such a climate change declaration and was made at that time based upon conclusive evidence that the reduced solar activity and lower global temperature changes predicted by the RC Theory had come to pass.

11. September 22, 2008: SSRC Sends Letters to Presidential and Vice Presidential Candidates. In a new Press Release SSRC 4-2008 and separate letters to the candidates, Senators John McCain, Barack Obama, Joseph Biden and Governor Sarah Palin, the SSRC asks the future US leaders to forgo climate change discussions during the remainder of the campaign and asks for rapid action to prepare the US for the next climate change after election. The letters also contained a warning of the potential consequences of the next climate change to a deep and long lasting cold era including massive grain crop losses.


Dec 8th, 2008, 9:16 AM
Not quite sure what you are referring to gordon. The Big Bang Theory?
Advanced Physics explains that when you look through a telescope into space,
say 10,000 light years, you are looking 10,000 years into the PAST.
So technically you can "see" the big bang if you were a scientist and were able
to access those very powerful telescopes..
You can only look into the past in space. NEVER THE FUTURE as there isn't any
particles to "trace".

Even it is true or not of what you have said is true? A telescope can "see" into the past, because of time of the Universe expanding. The STRANGE thing is? You also say that those people can not "see" into the future, because there ain't no "trail" to see the future with. Yeah, keep on studying the Big Bang...Ohh! Isn't the "BIG bang" is just a "theory".

Dec 8th, 2008, 2:29 PM
6.5 magnitude earthquake occurred at 5.39am.
AN undersea earthquake recorded near Antarctica no tsunami warnings given.

Sydney flashfloods reported today can someone tell us why we are now seeing more quakes and severe storms more frequently?

Dec 9th, 2008, 5:06 AM
Alot of solar news out there today..All the solar physists are finally in agreement that the sun is still in a deep sleep. However, they keep re-hashing the fact that
when the sun does wake up, it'll zap us with electrically charged particles enough
to destroy our electronics. Well so wont an EMP. And that is exactly what a
CME is, an EMP. Hell, I'm more afraid of satellites falling from the sky than a
CME coming from our sun. So, what are they going to do if the sun simply does
NOT "churn up some biggies by 2012?"
http://www.startribune.com/local/35689654.html?elr=KArks7PYDiaK7DUvDE7aL_V_BD77:Dii UiD3aPc:_Yyc:aUU

All of the above info is related to http://www.spaceweather.com
as well..


Do they think that the sun will evaporate all of the ice by 2012?

In other news, giant earthquakes are commonplace now. IRIS shows us that
the "ring of fire" has completed and the ENTIRE RING has had seismic activity
lately so what is going on under there? MOVEMENT
The kind where the Core Mantle Boundry is "breaking free"
opening up to let some immense 20,000 plus degrees out.

But, notice the southern latitudes are experiencing "mild" shifting?
I think that the Earth is "top heavy" and spinning much slower than the
equator which we know but much, much slower causing rifting.

Dec 9th, 2008, 6:45 AM
Could you imagine tha the ring of fire was some sort of super super volcano and what the impact would be if eruptions started throughout it's area.

Dec 9th, 2008, 5:41 PM
we had two days and nights very very cold, -2 F overnight, and about 7F during the day

Now there is a snow storm.


Dec 9th, 2008, 5:47 PM
Here in montana we have 40's today, but by the weekend we are supposed to have single digits or below plus wind chill...
which is not realy unusual for here... sadly its been warmer than normal , made hunting season suck, it was warm enough last night i was out at work, (outside)
with no coat, just a t-shirt
realy unusual weather considering we have snow on the ground.. snowed yesterday.. nothing to talk about but its at that temp where it keeps it, not lets it melt but warm enough you dont realy need coats,
Around here, if its cold we dont worry much, if it warms up to low to mid 30's in the winter, we get ready for a nasty snow storm..
although for us 38F is comfe.. a jacket and you are set to go...
most people would need full winter gear in that temp...
right now its 37 out, which is about the high for the day.

Glacial Ridge
Dec 9th, 2008, 8:19 PM
What is with these 100 mph to 122 mph winds up in New Hampshire USA. -65 F to -75 F below zero wiith the wind factor!!!

Any one check IRIS tonight. Just keeps freaking me out.

Yeah Proto it is cold here with plenty of that light dusty snow. Little frozen dusty particles.

We just had 7 solar maxs of over 100 sunspots. 4 of those solar maxs had 150 sunspots. Good thing the sun is cooled some or we would have fried.
Take a look at the chart Ryangti. The sun zapped us good for many years and the core heated up and expanded.



Magnetic Portals Connect Sun and Earth
..."It's called a flux transfer event or 'FTE,'" says space physicist David Sibeck of the Goddard Space Flight Center. ...
...Researchers have long known that the Earth and sun must be connected. Earth's magnetosphere (the magnetic bubble that surrounds our planet) is filled with particles from the sun that arrive via the solar wind and penetrate the planet's magnetic defenses. They enter by following magnetic field lines that can be traced from terra firma all the way back to the sun's atmosphere...
...On the dayside of Earth (the side closest to the sun), Earth's magnetic field presses against the sun's magnetic field. Approximately every eight minutes, the two fields briefly merge or "reconnect," forming a portal through which particles can flow.



I for one am hoping for less of a solar max than the previous 7 we have had. There was a double flare event in 1859 within 24 hour period and people reported auroras to the equator, partial electrocutions, telegraph offices starting on fire and more.

Why are we having an increase in earthquakes? There was an expansion of the core. Our planet and the rest of the planets in the solar system experienced CHANGES simultaneously. Pluto and Uranus, magnetic pole shifts. Increases in spots on Jupiter, Changes in Saturns rings. Auroras on Saturn and Jupiter. Melting of Mars pole. Volcano eruption at our North Pole on Gakkel Ridge. etc etc.

Lots of water vapor forming in those seismically active areas wouldn't you say?

Dec 9th, 2008, 8:23 PM
HUGE waves caused by king tides have smashed into dozens of villages and towns in northern Papua New Guinea, destroying homes and flooding businesses and a hospital.
Whats up with the worlds weather lately?

Glacial Ridge
Dec 9th, 2008, 8:40 PM
This just makes for some interesting reading. But it was the double solar flare event of 1859 that I referred to earlier.

Bracing the Satellite Infrastructure for a Solar Superstorm

A recurrence of the 1859 solar superstorm would be a cosmic Katrina, causing billions of dollars of damage to satellites, power grids and radio communications

By Sten F. Odenwald and James L. Green

3. X-ray flare. The largest CMEs typically coincide with one or more intense flares, and the 1859 superstorm was no exception. The visible flare observed by Carrington and others on September 1 implied temperatures of nearly 50 million kelvins. Accordingly, it probably emitted not only visible light but also x-rays and gamma rays. It was the most brilliant solar flare ever recorded, bespeaking enormous energies released into the solar atmosphere. The radiation hit Earth after the light travel time of eight and a half minutes, long before the second CME. Had shortwave radios existed, they would have been rendered useless by energy deposition in the ionosphere, the high-altitude layer of ionized gas that reflects radio waves. The x-ray energy also heated the upper atmosphere and caused it to bloat out by tens or hundreds of kilometers.
4. Second blast. Before the ambient solar-wind plasma had time to fill in the cavity formed by the passage of the first CME, the sun fired off a second CME. With little material to impede it, the CME reached Earth within 17 hours. This time the CME field pointed south as it hit, and the geomagnetic mayhem was immediate. Such was its violence that it compressed Earth’s magnetosphere (which usually extends about 60,000 kilometers) to 7,000 kilometers or perhaps even into the upper stratosphere itself. The Van Allen radiation belts that encircle our planet were temporarily eliminated, and huge numbers of protons and electrons were dumped into the upper atmosphere. These particles may have accounted for the intense red auroras seen in much of
the world...
5. Energetic protons. The solar flare and the intense CMEs also accelerated protons to energies of 30 million electron volts or higher. Across the Arctic, where Earth’s magnetic field affords the least protection, these particles penetrated to an altitude of 50 kilometers and deposited additional energy in the ionosphere. According to Brian C. Thomas of Washburn University, the proton shower from the 1859 superstorm reduced stratospheric ozone by 5 percent. The layer took four years to recover. The most powerful protons, with energies above one billion electron volts, reacted with the nuclei of nitrogen and oxygen atoms in the air, spawning neutrons and creating the nitrate abundance anomalies. A rain of neutrons reached the ground in what is now called a ground level event, but no human technology was available to detect this onslaught. Fortunately, it was not hazardous to health.
6. Massive electric currents. As the auroras spread from the usual high latitudes to low latitudes, the accompanying ionospheric and auroral electric currents induced intense, continent-spanning currents in the ground. These currents found their way into telegraph circuitry. The multiampere, high-voltage discharges caused near electrocutions and were reported to have burned down several telegraph stations.


Glacial Ridge
Dec 10th, 2008, 7:32 AM
Ryangti.. one more thiing.
We have been hearing that the planet is now cooling and the warming has ended. Those pockets of heat over areas of the Northern Latitudes is now diminishing over the last oh 4 years or so. Take a look at the graph below starting in January 2004 and you see the sunspots are becoming fewer and fewer as we move forward to 2008. The minimum we are in right now, has lasted longer than any other tiime of the space age. When the sun is in it's minumum phase the magnetic field and wind is also much much less output. This allows Earth time to cool it's core and this is good. Because if she would have ramped up like the previous cycles, I THINK, the outer core would have become too liquid and we would have had our pole shift or some other major blow out form wiithin the planet. But of course that would have required many direct hits from the sun on an already heated core.


NASA has an even closer view posted on spaceweather.com, Dec. 8-2008.

Notice on this graph the sunspot graph only goes up to 30 spots.

: According to one leading solar physicist, the sun is turning blue. David Hathaway of the NASA Marshall Space Flight Center is using red and blue to tag sunspots of the old and new solar cycles. When he plots the color-coded sunspot numbers, it's clear a change (http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2008/07nov_signsoflife.htm) is taking place:

http://www.spaceweather.com/swpod2008/08dec08/hathaway1_strip.jpg (http://www.spaceweather.com/swpod2008/08dec08/hathaway1.jpg?PHPSESSID=f1vuq4domf1259rri4vk3etoq0 ) "New Solar Cycle 24 is on the upswing while old Solar Cycle 23 is decaying," he says. The sun is still in the pits of a deep solar minimum, he points out, but the little blue bars in Hathaway's plot show that it won't last forever. An increasing number of new-cycle sunspots in the months ahead should propel the sun out of the doldrums, eventually leading to a full-fledged Solar Max around 2012.

Thanks to Protostar, for her inspiring posts, which lead me to start reading up on how the EARTH CHANGES!!! Thanks Proto.

So you see we are in a cooling phase.


Dec 10th, 2008, 12:00 PM

Can anyone explain this for me, is there a link to Earthquakes with this device and will we see a major one within the next few days?

Dec 10th, 2008, 5:00 PM
We got a blanket of ice today, at least the temp got up in the upper 30's
but the ceiling was so low, as the clouds flew by, that we hardly had more
like "dimlight" instead of daylight. I've noted the "swirling" magnetic mass on
the sun's coronograph. That has been there for days now...and yet another
old cycle sunspot appeared and will die..as the sun's "conveyor belt" peters out
spitting up it's remnants. But the spin axis has me puzzled. It's as if as the
Earth rotates, it also slides. There has not been a decent chandler wobble
since it "relaxed" in early 2007.
The atmosphere is again being "played like a squeezebox" and Sandstorm
has a legit query on HAARP.
I do believe they are adding chemicles to the atmosphere to break up the
solid ice chunks. We 'd probably shit if we saw that suspended in the stratosphere.
heh. <strange wave looking clouds give away the manipulation.
Thanks Glacial! I'm always amazed at earth's functions. I'll keep it up and
love and appreciate your graphics and charts etc..

You guys are great and I'm pretty excited to be able to analyze the Earth's
Changes w/ you all. As the "winds" are becoming "goliath" in velocity, it's
getting interesting. 200 mph winds at the mount washington observatory.
That place is awesome as you can visually see across 4 states.
I was there and my van made it up/down heh..
anyhoo 200 mph---That is Wild Weather!

Dec 10th, 2008, 6:59 PM
So its getting colder then?
I cannot remember the last time we had a hot summer grey dull constant skies.
Two possible tornadoes in north texas.
http://www.examiner.com/a-1735431~Possible_tornadoes_wreck_homes_in_north_Te xas.html

One article suggests its getting warmer

Tornado watch for georgia.
The weather is getting wilder though isnt it at the same time,so this article you say has some effect on the worlds climate?

Glacial Ridge
Dec 10th, 2008, 9:23 PM
Talk about blankets. The clouds overhead lately have that greyblue, greyviolet look about them. It reminds me of this article. Perhaps we are getting some of this interstellar cloud penetrating the solar system. The sun has not been doing its job lately in clearing all this sh*t out. Decreased solar winds and decreased solar magnetic field.

__________________________________________________ ________________
..."Computer models show dramatic climate change can be caused by interstellar dust accumulating in Earth's atmosphere during the solar system's immersion into a dense space cloud," said Alex Pavlov, principal author of the two papers....
... The resulting dust layer hovering over the Earth would absorb and scatter solar radiation, yet allow heat to escape from the planet into space, causing runaway ice buildup and snowball glaciations....
... Collisions of the solar system with dense space clouds are rare, but according to Pavlov’s research, more frequent solar system collisions, with moderately dense space clouds, can be devastating. He outlined a complex series of events that would result in loss of much of Earth's protective ozone layer, if the solar system collided with a moderately dense space cloud.

The research outlined a scenario that begins as Earth passes through a moderately dense space cloud that cannot compress the outer edge of the sun's heliosphere into a region within the Earth's orbit. The heliosphere is the expanse that begins at the sun's surface and usually reaches far past the orbits of the planets. Because it remains beyond Earth's orbit, the heliosphere continues to deflect dust particles away from the planet.

However, because of the large flow of hydrogen from space clouds into the sun's heliosphere, the sun greatly increases its production of electrically charged cosmic rays from the hydrogen particles. This also increases the flow of cosmic rays towards Earth. Normally, Earth's magnetic field and ozone layer protect life from cosmic rays and the sun's dangerous ultraviolet radiation.

Moderately dense space clouds are huge, and the solar system could take as long as 500,000 years to cross one of them. Once in such a cloud, the Earth would be expected to undergo at least one magnetic reversal. During a reversal, electrically charged cosmic rays can enter Earth's atmosphere instead of being deflected by the planet's magnetic field...
http://www.nasa.gov/home/hqnews/2005/mar/HQ_05066_giant_clouds.html (http://www.nasa.gov/home/hqnews/2005/mar/HQ_05066_giant_clouds.html)
__________________________________________________ _________________

You have to forgive me as I am still trying to figure out what the heck caused the sun to have seven cycles in a row with over 100 sunspots with four of those cycles at 150 sunspots and more. What happened????????? What was it reacting too?????????????

Should have posted this article one on Pole Shift Data Analysis since it mentions a magnetic reversal.

Yep Ryangti it's cold and soon to be winter in the Northern Hemisphere.

Sorry Sandstorm, not sure I understand or can answer your question.

Dec 10th, 2008, 10:03 PM
Global warming my arse. Temperatures in the southern latitudes nearing the equator are dropping significantly. The northern latitudes are getting some of their warmest winters while those nearing the 30th are receiving snow fall and freezing temperatures months before expected, and even receiving the weather when unexpected. Climate change is definitely coming, but it's not a warming trend. Where I live it snows maybe once every 15-20 years (I live close to the 30th latitude) and today we had an inch of snow in a handful of hours. Gore's sermons of climate change are coming to fruition, however not necessarily in the direction he predicted.

There's no denying climate change is coming and there will be a number of climate anomalies during this transition, especially in latitudes that aren't used to such extremes (probably northern ones receiving warmer temps and southern ones receiving colder temps). These polar extremes don't necessarily mean the planet's climate is going to do a backflip overnight. More than likely these anomalies are just climate hiccups, like the Little Ice Age. The change could just as easily be temporary, say a century of cold or heat, then pop right back on "track" (that is, the track that humans of the late 90s and 2000s have imposed). Possibly, though not as likely, this is the first stage of a major cooling period--a predecessor to an ice age. I personally doubt an ice age is around the corner. I do believe the past few years' strange climate habits (like the heat wave in France that killed several) is leading to something. Leading to what? Perhaps nothing more than a global climate hiccup. But, perhaps global climate change completely unexpected.

Dec 11th, 2008, 4:50 AM
However, because of the large flow of hydrogen from space clouds into the sun's heliosphere, the sun greatly increases its production of electrically charged cosmic rays from the hydrogen particles. This also increases the flow of cosmic rays towards Earth. Normally, Earth's magnetic field and ozone layer protect life from cosmic rays and the sun's dangerous ultraviolet radiation.

The above statement dates the article. The Sun has recently ejected
hydrogen towards earth and continues to eject it's hydrogen
which is about 90% of what the sun is made up of. Why it is rejecting the
hydrogen nobody knows..But it has blanketed the earth with a nice layer
of water as it hit the ozone layer.

Earth is in full blown climate change as well as all of the other planets in
our solar system. This cycle is NOT like previous cycles as soon as the
sun "went out of cycle" which it did, cycle 24 was suppose to begin years ago...
which PROVES that this cycle is an "unstable" cycle of the sun.
Which in turn, dictates our weather.
NEVER before in history of KNOWN substances, Dark Energy has entered our planet
which completely knocks scientific models on their ears..You cannot predict what
you do not know.

On December 16 at 1pm NASA will discuss their findings of Dark Energy.
And then we will know just how delicate our atmosphere has become.

Warm winds push temperatures up in the winter.
they "fly by" and then it's cold again. It's winter for god's sakes
but that is the "smallest " of indicators of climate change..
The SUN is the Proof. And she is backing off as our super massive black hole
gain's strength. And it is in the reconnection to our solar system process
going on right now.

hypothesis: Perhaps our sun has ejected it's hydrogen to keep the
supermassive black hole away from the sun and unable to connect to the sun.
By "dousing" the area around it, to "short out" any magnetic connections coming from the SMBH?

The amazing SUN. Keeper of the flames of life on earth.
It really does protect us. But even she needs a hand now...

Dec 11th, 2008, 8:37 AM
Proto, Glacial....wicked stuff man!!

i've just caught up on the last few pages and wow! what info! thanks to both of you for your insights and links. I wish i had time to research all the Volcano stuff krakatoa sends too but that sometimes is a bit too much for my simple Yorkshire brain! Krak, is there a site like USGS that keeps an eye on the active Volcano's around the World. I keep an eye on them on ehabich satellite but I'd like to see live detail.

Here in the UK the mainstream media is stepping up its man made climate change BS again, loads of it on the BBC News all the time, especially now, as the Polish conference is going off.

I picked up a copy of New Scientist yesterday on the way back from London; now NS is firmly with the manmade brigade, but there's one guy that's writing about Space Weather and the potential massive calamities that can occur.


hopefully THEY might put 2 and 2 together.

that sum is making about 2.8 at the moment with most people, we'll get to 4 eventually with them if you know what I mean!!

Dec 11th, 2008, 10:40 AM
Anyone following the queensland storms may have noticed some very serious storms.
Some time ago they were warned another round of storms may emerge.
It has happened again 6000 properties damaged homes and no power with severe thunderstorms.

Obviously something up in the atmosphere is playing havoc with their weather.

Dec 11th, 2008, 8:35 PM
Another quake reported no causalties.
A 5.9-MAGNITUDE earthquake struck off the coast of the Indonesian island of Sumatra today, the US Geological Survey said.

Dec 12th, 2008, 4:18 AM
I bet indonesians are holding their breath, knowing that a tsunami is just around the corner. those quakes keep getting larger and larger. The sea floor there keeps
ripping and ripping until eventually, it wont rip no more and then UPLIFT.

How delicate is our atmosphere? so delicate that in fact right now, the weather satellites are over the north atlantic where they get "turned off" because the
magnetic field no longer exists in that area. Nasa turns off all equipment as the
solar radiation and *other solar radiation would short them out!
at least NOW I know why I get a blank screen sometimes!
Weak places on earth with a gravity anomoly. Just one of about a dozen here
on earth.

Our earth spins exactly at the right angle to allow the sun's radiation
our earth also rotates around the sun and get's its electrical impulse
and everything that it needs from the sun to survive.
This is Earth's Bible!
It IS the facts:

So, which cycle do you all say we are in?
I say a new one that supercedes the 100,000 yr cycle
try 225,000 year great cycle!

How do you like this headline:
10,000 people brave the cold to discuss global warming.

Holy Cow! Ice crystals blowing in massive amounts! Snow with ice underneath.
The ice is forming rapidly and it's thick as hell. Complete white out for this friday.
School closings, thank god for the weekend. however, this ice storm continues!

Dec 12th, 2008, 11:27 AM
I have just read about the ice storm its getting colder isnt it?
I do wonder what chaos lies in wait for us all its getting bad would you agree?
A white christmas with a difference no power no heat and no money great!

Dec 12th, 2008, 3:19 PM
I have just read about the ice storm its getting colder isnt it?
I do wonder what chaos lies in wait for us all its getting bad would you agree?
A white christmas with a difference no power no heat and no money great!

and more pollution!

I think Protostar is right about that.

asthma cases are on the increase; i should know, ever since I got back from holiday in Cornwall back t Sheffield I had a cough and its turned in to asthma! I had asthma living in London in 2003 but never in Sheffield, we're too close to the hills and clean air. But not now it seems!

i'm going to research this a bit!

bad weather though isn't it Ryan. It's proper miserable in UK at the moment. Cold, wet, ice, snow!

like the winters in the 70's and 80's!!

Dec 12th, 2008, 8:52 PM
My son and ourselves have asthma at least we dont live in a city.
The only thing i had noticed is people feeling unwell and then okay it must be the constant temperature changes.
Ice last night now wind and rain what a mixed bag of weather.

All im reading is tropical storms severe floods thunderstorms and ice storms,the weather has all of a sudden gone crazy.
Its the amount that keep hitting the same places thats concerning and with the credit crunch on top this is certainly going to be testing times.

Not one but several varied storms.
http://article.wn.com/view/2008/12/12/Lower_Mainland_braces_for_winters_first_blastSnow_ and_subzer/





Some reports of sub zero temperatures huh reminds me of the day after tomorrow!

Dec 13th, 2008, 4:37 PM
more snow and rain for us in the North Midlands as we speak!

what I don't understand is why Russia is so warm.

here's the average temps in Moscow:


at the moment it's this:

Moscow reports a ‘heatwave’. Source: RSOE 4th December 08 -

"The temperature in Moscow climbed to 6.6 degrees Celsius (44 degrees Fahrenheit) on Wednesday, breaking a 47-year-old record, the Russian meteorological website www.hmn.ru reported. "At 15:00 Moscow time (noon GMT), the air temperature climbed to 6.6 degrees Celsius in northern Moscow, breaking the 1961 record and setting a new one for December 3," the report says. On December 3, 1961, the temperature in the capital reached 6.2 degrees Celsius (43.2 degrees Fahrenheit). The average high and low temperatures in December in Moscow are -4 and -8 degrees Celsius (24.8 and 17.6 degrees Fahrenheit), respectively. The day was also the warmest for the surrounding region, where the temperature reached 6.1 degrees Celsius (43 degrees Fahrenheit), surpassing a 0.5 degrees Celsius reading set in 1979. The Russian capital has seen a spell of unusually warm weather in recent months. On November 12, the temperature in Moscow reached 8.9 degrees Celsius (48 degrees Fahrenheit), setting a new record. This October was the warmest on record in Moscow, with an average temperature of over 9 degrees Celsius (48.2 degree Fahrenheit)."

it's cooling down now though; one to keep an eye on. they had an unusually warm-ish winter last year.


check that out; just zero at night, I would say it's pretty warm! same with Murmansk.

weird when the rest of the Northern hemisphere is obviously cooler.

Dec 13th, 2008, 6:53 PM
Well our storm got here... Its friggin cold out..
even for us montanians... prediction tonight -30F wind speed of
10-25 mph. Right now its a balmy 4 Degrees F out and its not dark yet.

Dec 13th, 2008, 6:55 PM
Australia is having the longest EVER dry period in the history of Australia. We need rain and lots of it.

Glacial Ridge
Dec 13th, 2008, 8:23 PM
Alpha, the link on Volcano's you had inquired about.
Current activity and ongoing activity.

Plotted activity world map.

Found this on another forum. Found the ratiional interesting. Still having a problem with dwarf galaxy Sag A passing so close. And the fact that the solar system is hitting the plane of the ecliptic at between a 60 and 90 degree angle, if we are already apart of the Milky Way. If we are already apart of the Milky Way shouldn't we be parallel with the spiral arms? Were we once apart of Sag. A or did we just get stripped from it?

When I saw the discoveries about Sagittarius being stripped by the Milky Way it occurred to me that is a possible mechanism for the 'bouncing' path of the system.

The main response against the solar system being from Sagittarius seems to be that the stream of stripped suns is looping around & not yet settled in but this ignores the possibility of individual systems passing close enough to other masses to be pulled from their path in one or two passes through the Milky Way.

There's a group in Russia who are claiming the thickness of the heliopause in the direction of travel of the solar system has increased considerably - recent reports from more mainstream mags seems to agree. The group in Russia claim it's because the system is entering a high energy area of the galaxy.

That last paragraph would explain the sunspot cycles grand maximum of some of my last posts or last rants whatever.

Dec 13th, 2008, 8:52 PM
However, because of the large flow of hydrogen from space clouds into the sun's heliosphere, the sun greatly increases its production of electrically charged cosmic rays from the hydrogen particles. This also increases the flow of cosmic rays towards Earth. Normally, Earth's magnetic field and ozone layer protect life from cosmic rays and the sun's dangerous ultraviolet radiation.
Cosmic rays are highly energetic photons. They're like x-rays (like used in a hospital) but with much more energy. Cosmic rays are basically photons at the upper end of the frequency scale--meaning with extremely short wavelengths. The "charge" as you put it has nothing to do with the direction in which solar rays leave the sun. Energetic eruptions from the sun by solar flares or sun bursts hit the earth by chance. There is nothing going on in the sun immediately that is directing energy toward our planet.

The above statement dates the article. The Sun has recently ejected
hydrogen towards earth and continues to eject it's hydrogen
which is about 90% of what the sun is made up of. Why it is rejecting the
hydrogen nobody knows..But it has blanketed the earth with a nice layer
of water as it hit the ozone layer.
You can look up the basics of solar physics using Google and it'll explain this. Apparently you haven't the slightest idea of how things work. All stars, at least during most of their lives, are made up mostly of hydrogen. Once their hydrogen is burned they burn helium, which is how you get the big, but quick, stars. The sun is not "rejecting" hydrogen. Hydrogen is being used in the sun's natural nuclear reactor. The hydrogen in any star is being produced from within the nuclear reaction that makes it a star. Stars don't suck up free-floating hydrogen.

And what the hell is this!? "But it has blanketed the earth with a nice layer
of water as it hit the ozone layer." Are you serious? Water is the combination of hydrogen and oxygen atoms. Without oxygen water doesn't exist. And water isn't water unless in liquid form (could be debated). The earth is the only planet we know of that contains liquid water, meaning there is no other place in the known UNIVERSE that has water. The ice caps on Mars can be said to have once been water, but at its current state it is not water. Water isn't floating around in space and doesn't "blanket" the earth's atmosphere. When atoms, including hydrogen, interact with the earth's upper atmosphere ionization takes place. There's no water hitting the ozone.

Earth is in full blown climate change as well as all of the other planets in our solar system.
I'm glad you figured out that the entire solar system is undergoing "climate change" when the rest of the scientific community is incapable of saying as much. So Mercury and Jupiter or both witnessing climate change? Before you reply, do you even know what the atmospheres of either consist of? Are there even atmospheres on both?

Also, NEVER before in history of KNOWN substances, Dark Energy has entered our planet which completely knocks scientific models on their ears..You cannot predict what you do not know.
Cannot predict what you do not know? Then why are you predicting? The top astrophysicists can't even explain dark energy, and the idea is decaying rapidly, so why are you claiming earth is experiencing an influx of the mystical energy? Oh, and did you know that the dark energy theory only applies to the rapid expansion of the universe in relation to the Hubble constant and doesn't directly influence any single object in the universe?

It just goes to show that even when a person hasn't the slightest idea of what they're talking about people will jump on the wagon as long as that person comes off as intelligent. I wish I could tell you I don't mean offense, Protostar. But you wouldn't believe me. You just need to do your homework before you start ranting. Obviously you've done some research, but you clearly don't understand the basic principles for which you use as arguing points. My opinion: you need a sabbatical to learn about astrophysics before you start writing climate commentary based on astrophysics.

Glacial Ridge
Dec 13th, 2008, 9:26 PM

This is a doomsday site.

Our sun is in very minimum right now. Planetary perturbations are coming. Lots of evidence to prove that planetary pertubations (tidal forces) produce sunsspots. Will the sun be able to go through its regular cycle and sustain enough strength for it's intergalactic voyage?

Beginning to sound like a new heaven and a new earth here, oh my.

__________________________________________________ __

There is nothing going on in the sun immediately that is directing energy toward our planet.


Magnetic Portals Connect Sun and Earth

Researchers have long known that the Earth and sun must be connected. Earth's magnetosphere (the magnetic bubble that surrounds our planet) is filled with particles from the sun that arrive via the solar wind and penetrate the planet's magnetic defenses. They enter by following magnetic field lines that can be traced from terra firma all the way back to the sun's atmosphere.

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"We used to think the connection was permanent and that solar wind could trickle into the near-Earth environment anytime the wind was active," says Sibeck. "We were wrong. The connections are not steady at all. They are often brief, bursty and very dynamic."
Several speakers at the Workshop have outlined how FTEs form: On the dayside of Earth (the side closest to the sun), Earth's magnetic field presses against the sun's magnetic field. Approximately every eight minutes, the two fields briefly merge or "reconnect," forming a portal through which particles can flow.

It's called a flux transfer event. FTE
It's been happening all along even when you didn't know about it.

Some of us should do more reading. The sun does expell alot of helium and hydrogen and it all goes some where? Those coronal holes are present even during minimum, what is released from coronal holes at 600 km/sec?. But wait it's December and now is the time that the interstellar gas pile up is passed through by earth as it makes its orbit around the sun. Interstellar GAS PILE UP, in the magetic tail of the suns heliosphere.

NO ONE PERFECT ON THIS BOARD, can you contribute in a meaningful way please.

Dec 13th, 2008, 9:42 PM

Magnetic Portals Connect Sun and Earth

Researchers have long known that the Earth and sun must be connected. Earth's magnetosphere (the magnetic bubble that surrounds our planet) is filled with particles from the sun that arrive via the solar wind and penetrate the planet's magnetic defenses. They enter by following magnetic field lines that can be traced from terra firma all the way back to the sun's atmosphere.

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"We used to think the connection was permanent and that solar wind could trickle into the near-Earth environment anytime the wind was active," says Sibeck. "We were wrong. The connections are not steady at all. They are often brief, bursty and very dynamic."
Several speakers at the Workshop have outlined how FTEs form: On the dayside of Earth (the side closest to the sun), Earth's magnetic field presses against the sun's magnetic field. Approximately every eight minutes, the two fields briefly merge or "reconnect," forming a portal through which particles can flow.

It's called a flux transfer event. FTE
It's been happening all along even when you didn't know about it.

Some of us should do more reading. The sun does expell alot of helium and hydrogen and it all goes some where? Those coronal holes are present even during minimum, what is released from coronal holes at 600 km/sec?. But wait it's December and now is the time that the interstellar gas pile up is passed through by earth as it makes its orbit around the sun. Interstellar GAS PILE UP, in the magetic tail of the suns heliosphere.

NO ONE PERFECT ON THIS BOARD, can you contribute in a meaningful way please.
I stand corrected, but my argument still is intact. These fluctuations are not abnormal. Past ones can be measured in rocks in parts of the sea floor. The earth's magnetic sphere is definitely unique in our solar system, but that doesn't mean the sun is spitting out "cosmic rays" or "charged hydrogen" at us.

I can be meaningful by saying what Protostar is dishing out is mostly fiction. Climate change is apparent and coming, but there's not magical solar relations involved. The climate change is part of, for the most part, a natural cycle that the earth has endured since the first single-celled organisms appeared. Some scientists are saying that previous ice ages have a direct relation to the position of the earth in relation to the sun. While this argument makes sense on paper, we have absolutely no way to support the theory with experimentation. If you completely ignore the sun climate changes on our planet make perfect sense considering other geologic phenomena and events.

Meaning? Is not debunking the radical and misguided idea that the sky is falling not meaningful? Perhaps I did not offer any new insight in my last post, I was too busy showing the world that the sky was in fact intact and not falling. I think I tried offering "meaning" before and I was ignored. Seems that debunking is the best way to get your point across here. Sorry, lad.

Glacial Ridge
Dec 14th, 2008, 8:31 AM
Ta'Nahir, this is MM's board, he welcomes free thought for all.

The first paragraph of Protostars post, was a quote from MY previous post. This was a NASA article that I was quoting from.

However, because of the large flow of hydrogen from space clouds into the sun's heliosphere, the sun greatly increases its production of electrically charged cosmic rays from the hydrogen particles. This also increases the flow of cosmic rays towards Earth. Normally, Earth's magnetic field and ozone layer protect life from cosmic rays and the sun's dangerous ultraviolet radiation.

Granted it is a 2005 article!

We get those partiicles in through the south Atlantic anomaly, which is a huge area, where our magnetic field is weakest. We also get them through the North and South poles where also by virtue of our magetosphere's shape, they enter. (auroras also enter North,South) Cosmic Rays, it has been much theorizesd, contain CCN, Cloud Condensating Nuclei, which produces precipitation.
Floods today are the biggest global disaster, now facing people on this planet. Records for precipitation are being blown away.

Protostar spends lots and lots of her spare time reading scientific articles on many topics relating to EARTHCHANGES.
For the most part, we appreciate her work. Maybe doesn't come off in a professional manner and injects her feelings into her post, but so do ALL OF US.

You need to go back and read more of this board to get a grasp of what we are trying to convey, all of us in our own special way.

Its a trickle down effect. We live in a GALAXY, if you negate it's influence as the first cause of changes to our solar system, you wont be able to see the whole historical picture of changes that occur on this planet. If our solar system as a whole is precessing through the galaxy and it does, then the solar system will undergo CHANGES. The sun will go throuh changes in its cycle, the planets, (as a result of sun cycle changes) would also go through changes. Changes have occurred through out the entire system, simultaneously to the changes we on Earth are experiencing.

It is not always predictable based on historical Earth records.

Welcome to the EARTH CHANGES NEWS III, thread Ta'Nahir.

What was I working on before this. Oh that short term memory thingy, ok

Dec 14th, 2008, 11:19 AM
Hey guys, sorry I was MIA for a couple of days. Had alot of ice to deal with
and watching for the thundersnow and the events that quickly zoomed in
as the warm winds came and then dropped.
We have some serious discrepencies going on with our weather systems.
But first let me address Tnair.
Tnair, you do not completely read information before you opine.
Please stop doing this on MY THREAD.
You are welcome here ONLY IF you do not bring forth your UNPROFESSIONAL
OPINIONS. Read all information first. Debating is not RANTING. Don't get
banned, I like your ambition...

Back to the Wild swings in temperatures. 10 degrees within a 24 hr period
going either way up or down. These fronts are getting worse in intensity and
flow. I was wrong when I said We'd see more ICE than SNOW, <levels have been
unheard of in some places> but, this artic blast isn't over yet...
That is why we have wild swings in temps right now.
But, let go of all of that...
Think about what is happening below your feet. And know that what is happening
below is A reorganization of the mantle at the Core Mantle Boundry.
I Understand the frustration in reading past posts.
Anyone new to the earch changes threads can be confused when clicking links
to realtime images. Since they are in realtime, they change continusously and that
would cause confusion and anger if you could not see the appropriate image while trying to understand the info.

We don't predict dooms day here. We bring the science to the fore front and
opine what we have learned and add our opinions. The WORK SPEAKS FOR ITSELF. This is a passion. One that is shared with like minded individuals. Please be one WITH US. Everyone welcome!!!

In regards to Dark Energy. I'm sorry you are behind my new friend.
Yes they have recorded this entering in at the south pole.
If you would go back through the threads you will find the link to the
report. Please read. Dont RUSH.
Rushing through this info you will not "soak it up" and you need the
data in order to continue on with Climate Change Research.

Who said the sky was falling? Someone needs a nap.

Dec 14th, 2008, 12:20 PM
Great Job, Proto,Glacial,and all. Read this everyday,and have learned
much. Keep up the good job!

Dec 15th, 2008, 5:55 AM

The Global Warming Lie has cost millions of dollars to the individuals who have
purchased said stock in companies who promote Global Warming.
These people are RIGHT NOW losing their ass. They will be looking for the
person who sold this lie to the world... for monatary gain.

Greedy Capitolists will lose their precious monies when they click this link
and see the truth. You say the ice is gone from this planet?
<only older ice melts as part of the glacial building process>
Greenland Ice Sheet melted because of DANGEROUS SCIENCE.
They put a "special blanket" over it, costing millions of dollars to
"try to save the ice sheet" BUT THEY MELTED IT COMPLETELY.
And as a they start LOSING THEIR FUNDING for nonsense research,
they will be looking for someone to blame because they WILL NOT

How many people were sold on the Global Warming lie?
how many people put their life savings into GW schemes and lost?

we will find out. click this link if you really want to see how
completely empty this planet is of ice.


bada bing. Gores info came from data when? 1980?

don't get mad at the FACTUAL DATA.
It has been out there all along for you to see,
you chose not to do the research yourself!
So who's fault is it that you believed in such things?

Notice how the image on the left is continusouly used in
articles today as if it were the updated version?
mama knows....

Glacial Ridge
Dec 15th, 2008, 7:24 AM
Try comparing Sept 14 2000 to Sept 14 2008, year 2000 puts you after the volcano event on Gakkel Ridge. I have to admit that it didn't take long to make some ice up there this year. Brrr it is cold out today. Sun not putting out much in this minimum now is it?

Glacial Ridge
Dec 15th, 2008, 12:28 PM
IRIS is wild today again. Western Pacific Rim again.

Also, a double in the Sandwich Islands 5.5 5.4.

Have you seen this?

More Stuff Falling from the Sky Saturday, 13 December 2008 http://www.saskatoonhomepage.ca/images/stories/newspics/meteorite%20rock.jpg Brace yourself.
There will be more stuff falling from the sky this weekend.
Stan Shaddick with the U of S Astronomy Department says the annual Geminids meteor shower will take place over the next few nights.
What's happening, he says, the earth, is plowing through a river of debris in space and that debris is being caught in the earth's gravity, as its pulled in, it heats up and makes the atmosphere glow.
We have experienced a number of odd things over the past few weeks beginning with a huge falling meteor back on November 20th, then a possible large falling star last weekend, and a tremor of some sort which shook the west side of Saskatoon for a few seconds Thursday.

Dec 16th, 2008, 12:57 AM
I was laying in bed and heard a strange sound "whiz by" out my window.
It sounded like something "metal" as it made a high pitched squeel sound.
INCOMING. ARGH!! I forgot about the meteor shower....
thx glacial for the reminder.

Its been freezing with un real wind speeds the past few days. Now we have
more plunging temps on the way after the warm day of oh, 42 degrees
most of the snow melted with the rain so the process can begin again.

found some interesting reading from this website.
Why in the world are they telling us that the earth is warming
when the temp's are falling?
more climate anomolies to have sleepless nights over:

Dangerous winds and mudslides in california makes you wonder why anyone would want to live there. Considering living on a faultline eh?
wrong move...
Yorba Linda California-never before in the history of evacuations have I ever
heard of whole cities being evacuated until IKE came to some towns earlier this year. Now Yorba linda had to be evacuated due to mudslides...


ice causing blackouts. Everyone has their "alternative" heat sources ready?
ice more than 2 inches thick was the norm for this past storm, what about the
next one eh? another artic blast comes......

so obama is going to create "green jobs"
looks like we'll be getting the "green weenie" shoved right up our
kabunkus! <i wonder what kind of job and pay>??

Dec 16th, 2008, 3:45 PM
(Back to the Wild swings in temperatures. 10 degrees within a 24 hr period
going either way up or down. These fronts are getting worse in intensity and
flow. I was wrong when I said We'd see more ICE than SNOW, <levels have been
unheard of in some places> but, this artic blast isn't over yet...
That is why we have wild swings in temps right now.
But, let go of all of that...) from Protostar.

When i talk about volcanoes, i take it from usgs or other sites, so it resemble more of post like this one, from Proto or Glacial, Alpha and others.

but like now, and i am not the only one lol

When i post personal information it is because i want to show all that when something is posted scientificly, there is a personal response to it, to show, that what is written here is true,

So about this, it's unbelievable, the swings of temps we have here and that since months and more, we had a lot of trees down since last winter including 3 on the same day this summer, al the rest of them were winter or autumn or spring. and that is because of the difference of temps that happens so fast, yesterday it happened again, not trees down this time, and no power lost, that is a miracle in itself, because all of other times we had that it was either Trees down, power off or both.



Dec 16th, 2008, 4:01 PM

small ones. 2.3 till 3.2 or so

Aleutians 3.2

Alaska 2.5 and 2.6

Calirfornia 3.1

Hawai 3.0

Spain 3.0

Croatia 2.5

Greece 2.5, 3.3, 2.8, 2.6

Turkey 3.3

Iran 3.6 2 earthquake same 3.6

This is coming from http://visz.rsoe.hu/alertmap/index.php?lang=eng

once in a while i like to report from that map i love this page Enjoy


Dec 16th, 2008, 4:03 PM
You rock Krakatoa, keep it coming!

I missed NASA's 1 PM info fest on the Dark Energy that was captured and analyzed by scientists. Then I ran across this article.
We are in for some serious incoming particles
read on:
Onboard sensors recorded a torrent of solar wind particles streaming into the magnetosphere, signaling an event of unexpected size and importance.


Those Torrents, i've been talking about that "slap planes out of the sky" full on high energy particle hits....and not only that, but the
"material" has a way of over exhausting the Magma Convection
Currents at the CMB causing deep tectonic action.

They say something erupted on the far side of the sun. Perhaps a
CME..but we are going thru a debris field. see:

Dec 16th, 2008, 4:27 PM
Mexico Popocatepelt yellow alert the volcano is erupting

Guatemala Santa Maria volcano Orange alert volcano is erupting

Costa Rica volcano Poas, Alert Yellow, volcano is erupting

Peru Ubinas , Orange alert the volcano is erupting

Ecuador Tungurahua Orange alert, The volcano is erupting

Colombia Huila, Orange alert volcano is erupting

West indies Soufriere hills level 3 alert the volcano is erupting

Yemen Jebel al-Tair Orange alert volcano is erupting

E. Africa Ol Doinyo Lengai Yellow alert the volcano is erupting

Chile Chaiten Red alert The volcanoe is erupting

Japan Akan Orange alert Volcano is erupting

Japan Suwanose-Jima Orange alert The volcano is erupting

Japan Akan Orange alert volcano is erupting

Halmahera Ibu Level 3 alert The volcano is erupting

Sulawesi Soputan alert level 2 the volcano is erupting

Java Semeru level 2 alert The volcano is erupting

Kamchatka Sheveluch Orange Alert The volcano is erupting

Kamchatka Kliuchevskoi Orange alert Volcano is erupting

Kamchatka Karymsky Orange alert The volcano is erupting

Hawaii Kilauea Orange alert The volcano is erupting

New Britain Rabaul Level 2 alert Volcano is erupting

South Pacific Yasur Level 3 alert The volcano is erupting

Antarctica Mt. Erebus Orange alert The volcano is erupting

This is also coming from http://hisz.rsoe.hu/alertmap/?area=&lang=eng


There is a recent earthquake magnitude 5.1, in 66.97 km 41.61 miles South of Fleming Seamount


Dec 16th, 2008, 4:53 PM
Wow krakatoa thats a lot of eruptions going on at once..
or at least it seems lik eit to me.. i know we get some from time to time.
but that seems like quite a few at once.

Did anyone see the earthquake in South Carolina?

Magnitude 3.6

* Tuesday, December 16, 2008 at 12:42:16 UTC
* Tuesday, December 16, 2008 at 07:42:16 AM at epicenter
* Time of Earthquake in other Time Zones

Location 32.950°N, 80.197°W
Depth 5 km (3.1 miles) set by location program

* 7 km (4 miles) SSW (192°) from Summerville, SC
* 8 km (5 miles) SSW (209°) from Lincolnville, SC
* 11 km (7 miles) SW (232°) from Ladson, SC
* 131 km (82 miles) NE (40°) from Savannah, GA
* 401 km (249 miles) ESE (102°) from Atlanta, GA

Prity odd for that part ofthe country.

Dec 17th, 2008, 4:13 AM
GOES EAST SATELLITE HAS FAILED.The thrusters did not respond and the system went down.
We have no Goes East and NO Full Disk Sat images.
Nasa is working on this problem. But there is an abundance
of high energy particles bombarding the sats at this time so it
may take awhile.

Thermal Impulses of Heat. I did some digging as to WHY we are experiencing
such fluxuations in temps within a 24 hour period.
Thermal Impulses of Heat Carried by the winds swoop by and raise our temps
as these winds pass, so goes the temperature.

Also called Thermal Ribbons, it acts as a boundry line not allowing cold to
enter into it's "area" this high energy pulse really is "snaking around the country"
and usually after it leaves, it leaves a cold wind blowing and temps plunge again.

Without Goes East, I'm dead and stinking in the water as I use the sat infrareds
to watch the energy pass around the earth. Without it I can't see where it goes..
Titan radar can go on down to 600 feet only. From 600 ft to ground level, we are
ON OUR OWN...keep your eyes peeled. there is high energy protons deep within the clouds and we know that protons are building blocks and can create severe
weather. listen for thunder in the snow. we may be blind, but we can still HEAR!

Damn that is alot of volcanism. That just goes to show you that once the "currents" are convected through the magma convection system, any excess energy gets released. And look how much is going off now and that is the volcano's above water. The hydrothermal plumes must be blasting. If so, we should hear of some whales beeching themselves.. Just goes to show you what Cycle 24 can do to us
if it ever gets started. Although the blast of solar flares <the last real blast> Dec16,2006 was quite awhile ago, so we shall see..

Dec 17th, 2008, 6:12 AM
http://www.spaceweather.com/images2008/16dec08/cme_c3_strip_anim.gif?PHPSESSID=lus84qonmlb3e2uhtq 1psakom3

Explosion on far side of Sun yesterday.

Dec 17th, 2008, 9:31 AM
I often wonder how long before we get a explosion like that facing us, and how
its going to effect us...

Glacial Ridge
Dec 17th, 2008, 5:52 PM
Man o Man, one day without a internet connection and so much information.

Mad had this posted on another thread but this one is important for this thread. Proto, I am seeing strange clouds, feather like, and today contrails but not on a flight path. They had that violet hue too. Shit is getting in. We keep waiting for the results from ESA (European Space Agency) and the CLUSTER satellites they are going to be launching to study the Earth's magnetic field. But the THEMIS satellites just hit some pay dirt on the subject.

A Giant Breach in Earth's Magnetic Field
NASA's five THEMIS spacecraft have discovered a breach in Earth's magnetic field ten times larger than anything previously thought to exist. Solar wind can flow in through the opening to "load up" the magnetosphere for powerful geomagnetic storms. But the breach itself is not the biggest surprise. Researchers are even more amazed at the strange and unexpected way it forms, overturning long-held ideas of space physics.

Dec 17th, 2008, 6:33 PM
Hgh energy particles are mixing with the ice crystals and dust and gas to create
some nasty storms. Again, the "squeeze box" effect as we fly in our debris filled
orbit and experience gravity fluxuations. We had another "event" today as a
magnetic flux brought in even more material...,as our moon slowly creeps away
from us...After it's closest encounter with earth, it eases away and quickly.., which causes graviaty anomolies here on earth.
At this time, we have new introductions into the atmosphere., high energy
material that cannot be magma convected.
So what happens to this material as it "bounces around"?
It seeds clouds or free flys in the atmosphere. It'll get's it's "electron"
hit after it meets up with atmospheric debris. There's your energy,
and if they can meet up with a rotating system or two or three, you can get
Massive events.
Ice now because of the amount of water vapor "hanging around"
but don't forget the sun drenched us with hydrogen. So this ice is
baby ice. Compared to what's to come...

Dec 17th, 2008, 8:37 PM
So whats to come we ask?
The past 12 months have been cooler than previous years but longer-term trends show the world is still warming due to climate change.
http://article.wn.com/view/2008/12/16/2008_colder_than_previous_years_but_world_still_wa rming_WMO/

Any word on the eruptions and as to why so many?

Dec 18th, 2008, 7:33 PM
As we slide into winter solstice, at the same time that we "clear the debris field"
we get alot of dustparticles and whatnot. Also, the giant hole in our magnetosphere isn't helping as it lets in not only high energy particles and dust but also SERIOUS COLD TEMPS.
and the Sun's Rays are not as strong as well as the IMF. The weakened IMF
let's in solar substances <like the one yesterday that caused the geomagnetic flux> so you've got cold, blinding cold in some parts as the super cold particles
crash into other meta particles in our atmosphere and bring that energy on down
to us. Meteorologists have their work cut out for them. There is dark energy within those storms. Magnetic/Photonic/Vortec What's that going to make when 0 temp?

What drives these storms? A giant mass of swirling energetic particles?
The winds sure and what drives the winds? The ocean currents.
And what drives the ocean Currents?
The sun. And when the Sun decides to lessen output the Oceans roil.
In the meantime, below your feet and escaping through sea floors is
Thermal Heat. When these two meets up, whoo boy!
Crash,Bang,Boom with the tornado's and thundersnow and hell ice..

Who pushed the "ICE AGE" button?
in the transition from the ice age to our current warm, interglacial period the climate shift was so sudden that it is as if a button was pressed . article here:

Dec 18th, 2008, 9:13 PM
Australia may be facing a cyclone very shortly and as we know they have been witnessing very severe storms.
I guess what we are witnessing may suggest what you are saying points to these facts?

Calm before the storm as they say.

Dec 20th, 2008, 7:06 AM
The dog decided it was christmas and opened up all of his gifts. He ate a whole
box of liver snacks. I guess christmas did come early! Snow piled up but it is so
very light, the tinest of ice crystals, almost glasslike but you can't pack it into a
snowball, it's too light. Light and fluffy slowly wafting to the ground.
Nevermind that it's only 21 degrees outside. I'm thankful that I have electricity.
I'll wander out later on, but I know I'll get soaked witin minutes!

Just in case you missed the link from one of the posts above, check out
this article. It shows us that the proof is in the ice core samples....
ice age comes again....and quickly.

It's appearant that methane gas is being released in huge amounts in the artic.
Global Warming Idiots hereby called GWI's think that we are responsible and you
know what? THEY ARE RIGHT! For once I'm in agreement with them. The greedy
capitolist have let off huge bombs and have exploded huge holes to find the trapped geothermal gas pockets located there. This has released the methane. Of course the story told is that it's melting....it's melting.....because a cow farted in texas! Their ice cutter ships didnt' cut the ice, the fart did!

Goes East is still offline. I'll lay ten to one odds that after they powered it down
for the atlantic anomoly, it couldn't power back up for some reason. Perhaps it's
frozen. Goes West shows unbelievable amounts high energy cosmic particles..
So blizzards will continue....and spread south.. seeing is believing.

meanwhile, the sun has powered down and wound it'self up into a nice tight
little ball..check out the active solar regions. we'll get windstream in 2 days..
then it's on again for those polar lows.....and boy, is it gonna get c o l d e r....

Dec 20th, 2008, 12:17 PM
Nice article on polar albedo feedback. heh.
you can call it whatever you want to. the bottom line is that ice is growing
and it ain't because of Global Warming.

email sez:
<<agree with you about the Milankovitch Cycles [these are cycles of changes in solar radiation reaching the Earth caused by cyclical changes in the Earth's orbit.>>

Pearls of wisdom from GWI <Global Warming Idiots>

<<We are currently confronted by many people who refuse to accept that changes in the atmosphere can cause changes in the climate. They insist that it's the sun that is always responsible. They are wrong, and this is a well documented case from recent history where they are shown to be wrong.

What we are doing to the atmosphere at present is not as sudden and catastrophic as a comet hitting the Earth, but it is having a warming effect, and that warming effect is likewise nothing to do with the sun>>

What were the people doing 12,900 years ago that pushed things to far?"

**sometimes you simply just can't think of anything to say to these people.

Tired Old Man
Dec 20th, 2008, 4:50 PM
Lmao at you dog Protostar. Just be happy you didn't have any chocolate under the tree.
I'm still hoping some day we might get to the point of using hydrogen as a fuel. I can see sometime soon were it will economically work. Now I have to ask. What will all the extra water vapor do? I guess this leads back to if man can really have an impact on things.

Dec 20th, 2008, 5:00 PM
One such japanese company honda may have solved the gas powered car solution.
Watch top gear from the other day which explained that battery powered cars are not the future but a hydrogen fueled car is.
Guess what it works as shown and test driven on the tv programme.

On another subject a quake has been reported off the japanese coast a 6.5 but no reports of injuries.

I also see there is a hell of a lot of snow storms in the us a white holiday but a dark and cold one with no heat nor power.

Dec 20th, 2008, 6:12 PM
We had a snow storm yesterday night, with cold temps, very cold did'nt even need the wiper because the snow was not wettened by the humidity, tomorrow we will have another storm, a bigger one but less cold, so the people that will go out will probably need their wiper this time.

I will keep you up to date if i have power tomorrow.


Dec 20th, 2008, 6:30 PM
They are saying -17 for us with a wind for tonight..
tomarrow... much much worse.. -20 possible with gust up to 75mph
cold and friggin nasty... i dont mind the -20 , just wear a jacket.. no big deal
but put some wind in it.. man that cuts right through anything you put on.
we had cold a few years ago, -25 with 45mph steady wind, had to work on the car..
just let me tell ya, that did not last long before i said screw it..
but 75mph gust.. that is cold, will put the wind chilll temp way down..
we may set a record.

Dec 21st, 2008, 6:54 AM
Make sure you keep an eye on the magnetometer tomorrow.
Even though the wind streams are weak, when you go thru a meteor shower
like we are right now, things have a way of "getting in" Swooping in through the
south pole and bouncing up to the north pole. Don't forget the giant hole. Now we have energy just ploping in or oozing in and zooming in at that point as well...

A magnetometer measures the geomagnetic field along three axes: north-south (H), east-west (D) and up-down (Z).

D-component is the deviation in degrees from the normal direction of magnetic north.

H-component is the deviation in the strength of the horizontal component of the geomagnetic field.

Z-component is the deviation in the strength of the vertical component of the magnetic field.

Did you wake up to an ice age today? heh. This is exactly what it looks like, so we got a beautiful taste of what's to come. The only differences will be the weight of the snow! A couple of feet of fluffy stuff, nah, try 30-40 ft of wet cement like snow
and it's rather hard to breathe in that frigid air. The "weight" will be immense, you'll feel like you are carrying a ton of stuff with you, aah, but not yet.. it's still in the
transitional phase..After the windows crack from the ice build up, then we worry.
right now, we just enjoy the snowy scenery.
Reports of skiing "situations" happening as they got more snow than they thought.
Winds that'll beat your house up can also "knock the heat right out" of it as well.

It was 15 degrees with no wind yesterday and it felt like 30. And odd cold...
there seems to be something "missing" in the ice crystals, I don't know what it is..
they just are so very tiny. Miniscule in fact. like, nano ice crystals...

Goes East still down. have you checked mfsc lately? Goes West is still doing it's job and boyeeee, winter just got here...and look, it's a never ending parade of
energy and that "space cold". aLSO, LOOK UP, INCOMMING METEORS!

Here is the science behind the "breathing atmosphere" i've been talking about for months.


Dec 21st, 2008, 8:09 AM
It was 15 degrees with no wind yesterday and it felt like 30. And odd cold...
there seems to be something "missing" in the ice crystals, I don't know what it is..
they just are so very tiny. Miniscule in fact. like, nano ice crystals...

Same here Protostar, well not the temps.. they didnt get quite as nasty as they predicted today, but that was delayed a little while, we should get that in a day or two now.. but we didnt get above 0 yet..

But... same here with the ice , its super tiney compared to usual..
no big pieces at all, its like someone is dumping laundry soap from the sky.
well except its 'snow' in the form of ice..

Dec 21st, 2008, 2:41 PM
UK Outlook for Friday 26 Dec 2008 to Sunday 4 Jan 2009:

In general we can expect high pressure to dominate the weather during this period. As quite often happens in these situations in winter though, there will be a fair amount of cloud around, and under any clearer spells we can expect a mixture of mist, freezing fog and frost to form during the night-time periods and these will be slow to clear again during the following days, perhaps persisting all day in a few spots. The temperature will become well-below average average for the time of year and there are indications of a cold easterly wind developing particularly in southern parts, and this will bring an increasing risk of some sleet or snow flurries.

Dec 21st, 2008, 7:57 PM
Its been mild for a change but obviously going to get colder again.
Maybe this is why we have seen an early flu outbreak it missed me but got everyone else within my family and lasts almost upto two weeks.

The sudden changes in the climate does seem to be affecting us more now if i am right.

I see the snow storms are going from one end to the other in the states.
Ice storms and power outtages so it must be very bad i guess.
Some must think this is the beginning of the new ice age .

Canada also getting braced for snow and icey temps.
Yet in pennsyvania they have seen flooding,floods also in south huntingdon.


jeez with the recession we are going to either stand together or lose our tempers and almost get to the point of giving up?
I can see that these severe climate changes are really going to test us are they not?

Dec 22nd, 2008, 4:39 PM
here we had our snow storm, we did not losse our power tonight around 0 F -20 C

Very cold but no wind at least not now, there is a possibility of another storm on wenesday,


Dec 22nd, 2008, 6:04 PM
Frigid temps. I got a great shot on my cell phone of a sun pillar this morning.
The ice crystals just "stay" in the sky as a structure. What a freak. I love it!
Great "things" are showing up in the sky. Everything from upside down rainbows to strange cloud shaped like waves. Movement of the magnetic field lines are showing.
Giant ozone breech and a "blank spot" within our magnetic structure spells trouble
for our planet. Especially with a sun that is "acting" "sleepy"
Stumbling and sputtering but not producing any real "hot game" this is baffling
to alot of scientists. The truth is that the sun is our LIFE. If it's sick then we are sick too. If it's onrey then we get the snot smacked out of us.
but when it's quiet and snoozing, it isn't making us a priority.
when it hosed us with hydrogen and blasted flares like the finale' at the fireworks
at us, it was in the "throes" of changing. And thereby, all of the planets within it's reach will change. :you can't put back the bullet. you can't.
Once the sun discharged that bullet or those bullets, it flipped a switch. A magnetic switch. But one switch "didnt' fire" and it bombed or became a "dud"
and now we float along until it changes again. That could be 2017.
11.5 yrs after dec 2006. Could you imagine how cold the winters would be
by then? And when the planets are at aphelion they move more slowly...
so 11.5 yrs from now will feel like 22. heh.
Right now, we are at the beginning. It has been one full year of severe weather.
And you can blame in on anyone you want. But the truth is it's our dictator, The Sun.

Dec 23rd, 2008, 3:15 AM
hi all! been in London far too long, glad to be back up North in the clean air!!

Moscow finally sees a bit of winter!


-6 in the middle of the day should be about the norm.

and the culprit; the jet stream of course!


that's for today.

and Sandstorm, if you want a pretty damn accurate long range prediction of temperatures and flow just look at the jet stream every week for the next 8 days and it will be dead on I promise you. I started doing this about 3 months ago, it's been right every time.

have a look round the ehabich pics of the World, what strikes me is the precip in the Northern Hemisphere especially over North America. As Russia is barmy warm you guys are absolutely freezing. http://satellite.ehabich.info/index3.html


Christmas for us I think will be fine, cold and calm

have a great one everybody, we're off to the in-laws tonight, speak to you all at the weekend.

Happy Christmas!

Dec 23rd, 2008, 5:45 AM
The United States <Alone> had more snow BEFORE WINTER 2009 then the
COMBINED inches of snow for the past 20 years. That's right. More snow from
West to East this fall then the combined total for the past 20 years.
Now that's saying something.

Oregon isn't used to this type of weather. Either is Calif for that matter.
check out this article http://apnews.myway.com/article/20081223/D9583L4O0.html

The usa gets a quick dip in the "heated pool" for a day or two and then it's
back to the frigid temps and vast precipitation. I can only imagine how frozen
Canadians are now. The water Vapor sits on top of them, like a hat. Just
waiting to get "the move on" and then it does drops.

Reports are circulating today that the ionosphere has reached alot lower into the atmosphere then thought.
That means, all the solar particles <that are held there> are alot closer to us
humans then we thought. That isn't good news..

Goes East is still down. <I don't like this scenerio unfolding>.....
The Solar Windstream has made it to earth. Check your
Alpha's link shows some serious water vapor, the interesting thing is the directions
that the water vapor is going. <in all directions> hmmm.
Merry Christmas Alpha! travel safely.

Krakatoa, it sure looks like you are going to get another "whallop" of snow.
This storn looks like it's full of ice as well. shiver me timbers!!
Severed has to give us a temp reading from Montana when this next storm comes through. The solar winds are here and I expect some of that "space cold" sneaking
in with it. Keep us posted if you can!

Dec 23rd, 2008, 8:07 AM
Actually the temp here is nice.. its up to 25F above. Although it always warms up when we get snow. We have had steady snow all night now, and they are saying most the day as well, may end up with around a foot give or take, before this storm moves out.
Its defiantly going to be a white christmas.
My car is still froze from last week.. the good thing is i dont live far from work.
Or i would be in big trouble. So i drive it to work, start it every break and drive it home. start it a few times during the day, just wont get warm enough to fully thaw out the radiator.. gets warm, had it over heat once.. Wish it had a heater in it, but to cold to mess with that right now. But it only has to make it a few more days and i will have a nother one to drive. Can give it a rest until it warms up and i can work on it.
They are predicting much colder weather for the weekend though..
back to the freezer for us..
although at 25 above, its realy not bad, comfe out for here.

Dec 23rd, 2008, 10:46 AM
‘Little Ice Age’ hastened fall of Aztecs, Incas

‘Humans have been in altering climate for longer than we ever imagined’

In the 16th century, the diseases Europeans brought to the New World decimated native peoples. The reforestation that came next may have ushered in one of the first instances of human-induced climate change, helping cause the Little Ice Age



Protostar, you are exactly wright anohter one is coming, we were around 0 F overnight -22 C

Now it is getting warmer, so we will have snow, but probably a period of rain mixed in it (maybe freezing rain) that is coming from me, then Snow again.


Dec 23rd, 2008, 11:02 AM
How do tornado's form when the nearby meterial <the isotopes> are frozen?
heh. new from the AGU
ABSTRACT FOUND HERE:http://www.agu.org/pubs/crossref/2008/2008GL035866.shtml
Idealized simulations of tornadogenesis in supercell storms are performed using a grid of 100 m spacing. The cold pool intensity and low-level storm dynamics are found to be very sensitive to the intercept parameters of rain and hail drop size distributions (DSD). DSDs favoring smaller (larger) hydrometeors result in stronger (weaker) cold pools due to enhanced (reduced) evaporative cooling/melting over a larger (smaller) geographic region. Sustained tornadic circulations of EF2 intensity are produced in two of the simulations with relatively weak cold pools. When the cold pool is strong, the updraft is tilted rearward by the strong, surging gust front, causing a disconnect between low-level circulation centers near gust front and the mid-level mesocyclone. Weaker cold pool cases have strong, sustained, vertical updrafts positioned near and above the low-level circulation centers, providing strong dynamic lifting and vertical stretching to the low-level parcels and favoring tornadogenesis.


Dec 23rd, 2008, 5:24 PM
There was houses on the beach in Gaspesie that were dammage by water mixed with ice coming from 15 feet high waves, this does not occur often, of course, some of these regions and on the other side of the border to, had hurricane froce III wind. So we can see that the climate change is serious

The ice and water went into the houses,


Dec 23rd, 2008, 9:09 PM
It sure is.
2009 atlantic hurricane forcast 13 predicted so yeah its going to get worse very soon.
I do wonder how this will affect the recession on top as well.
2008 seems to getting worse so every year gets even more severe god have mercy on us!

Another forecaster predicted an active 2009 Atlantic hurricane season on Tuesday, six months ahead of the tropical cyclone period that begins on June 1.

Cyclone billy is intensifying in oz.

Seattle snow then urban flooing predicted as will many more will endure the same.

Dec 24th, 2008, 2:48 PM
It could affect the recession, because it would cost a lot of money, so tax payer again,

Now about here, now it is warm more then 0 celcius and more then 32F it will become warmer, and then colder again, but but but between the two system, what is gonna happen, WIND about gust to 50 miles an hour, here we loose power very often when it is windy, let just hope that it wont be worst.

Happy Holidays everyone!!!!!!


Dec 25th, 2008, 3:26 PM
:angel: :toast:
It's a white christmas but it's melting due to the rain. Our driveway is pure ice..
Have a safe and happy holiday.

Glacial Ridge
Dec 25th, 2008, 4:25 PM
Merry Christmas

Ran across this YouTube video. It's a Fox News interview with physicist, Michio Kaku from 10-18-08. They mention the hole in Earth's magnetic field. Michio says physicists are recanting about the next solar max. He says, "We scientist made a mistake, our data is off by a factor of 20. That's why we are issuing an alert now. We made a mistake. The next cycle peaking around 2012 will be much more serious than we previously thought."....

Here's the link just in case I can't get this video here.


Glacial Ridge
Dec 25th, 2008, 5:28 PM
Here is another perspective and prediction about solar cycle 24-38, from Indian Institute of Astrophysics.

Prediction of Future Solar Cycles 24-38
...Recently we (Hiremath, K. M., Astronomy and Astrophysics, 452, 591, 2006) modeled the solar activity cycle as a forced and damped harmonic oscillator.
From the 22 cycles (1755-1996) sunspot data, the physical parameters (amplitudes, frequencies, phases and decay factors) of such a harmonic oscillator are determined. The constancy of the amplitudes and the frequencies of the sinusoidal part and a very small decay factor from the transient part suggests that
the solar activity cycle mainly consists of persistent oscillatory part that might be compatible with long-period (~ 22 ) Alfven oscillations. In the present study, with an autoregressive model and by using the physical parameters of previous 22 cycles (1755-1996), we predict the amplitudes and periods of present cycle (23) (Fig. 1) and future fifteen (Fig. 2) solar cycles.
http://www.iiap.res.in/hiremath_highlight (http://www.iiap.res.in/hiremath_highlight)

They also predicted the current cycle would begin between May - September 2008. This is the time period we started seeing sunspots (though weak ones) associated with Cycle 24.

The above prediction is consistent with NASA's Hathaway earlier prediction concerning sunspot cycle 24.

Myself, I am wondering if our sleeping giant sun is storing or saving up energy for later??? Or regenerating itself through some feed back mechanism??? Just to let her rip later???

I have also seen sunspot cycle graphs using a carbon 14 dating method, then smoothed, dating back to 9000 BCE. There was an event back there involving GRAND MAXIMUM sunspot cycles that lasted longer than the current one we just had in the last 7 sunspot cycle maximums. Food for thought.

We are hitting some record snowfalls in Wisconsin for the month of December too. Probably broke some cold temp records for the month also. Brrrr

Glacial Ridge
Dec 25th, 2008, 8:28 PM
Solar Cycle Predictions.

This is a cumulative prediction based on MANY predictions of the worlds best. It is a hard cold read but worth it. And it does end in Dec. 2012 but lacks any information concerning interstellar variability.

4. Discussion
Our results show that the Hurst exponents of the ISSN data for the periods of time
1700-2007 and 1848-2007 are 0.86±0.008 and 0.88±0.009 respectively. This is in agreement
with Mandelbrot & Wallis (1969) who first applied this type of analysis to the monthly
sunspot number, and found H = 0.86. Similarly Ruzmaikin et al (1994) analyzed the
14C radiocarbon data as a proxy of solar activity, and found H= 0.84. In analyzing daily
Doppler solar differential rotation coefficients A and B measured at Mount Wilson, USA,
Komm (1995) found H to be 0.83 and 0.86 respectively. The slightly higher exponent
obtained for the recent dataset indicates that more reliable sunspot data exhibits a slightly stronger autocorrelation (or tendency to trend), and thereby has more statistical
predictability than the full data set (1700-2007). Thus it is likely that errors or uncertainty
within the unreliable data affected its inherent predictability.
Our prediction of ascension time compare with values already available in the literature,
which range from December 2009 to 2014 (Maris & Oncica 2006; Tsirulnik et al 1997).
Obridko & Shelting (2008) reported that the second half of 2010 or the first quarter of
2011 would be the most reliable estimates for the maximum of cycle 24. Kane (2008)
suggested October 2011 or August of 2012, while Maris & Oncica (2006) found that cycle
maximum will occur as early as December 2009.
Our prediction of Cycle 24’s intensity also bears comparison with other forecasts. As
early as 1983, Chistyakov (1983) claimed that cycle 23 and 24 would be low and cycle 24
would be lower than cycle 23. Duhau (2003) predicted a maximum of 87.5±23.5, and
Wang et al (2002) estimated a peak between 83.2 and 119.4. Maris et al (2004) reported
that cycle 24 has to be low by analyzing the number of flares. Javaraiah (2007) obtained
a value of 74 from the sunspot group data and Hiremath (2007) obtained a value of 116
by using a harmonic oscillator solar cycle model. Kane (2007) predicted that sunspot
number would be 129.7±16.3 for the present Cycle, but later (2008) revised this estimate to
either 140±20 in October 2011 or 90±10 in August 2012. It must be emphasized that the
observational result for the start of cycle 24 (April 2008), is in rather good agreement with
Kane’s prediction. Thus, we can think that Kane’s estimates for the time at which cycle
24 will reach its maximum could be reliable. Using neuronal prediction, Maris & Oncica
(2006) predicted 145 sunspots at the peak in December 2009.
The precursor models, which use data from the declining phase of cycle N − 1 to
predict height and timing of cycle N, were used by Obridko & Shelting (2008). They
reported that “the precursor models based on the polar field or H_ data often yield lower values of the current cycle”, which vary from 70±10 and 120±40. From the dynamo model
Choudhuri et al. (2007) have reported that cycle 24 would be 35% lower than cycle 23.
(Dikpati & Gilman 2006) disagreed–using a flux transport dynamo model they argued that
cycle 24 will be 30 - 50% higher than cycle 23. Hathaway & Wilson (2006) give a value of
160 based on geomagnetic activity at the minimum. From the index of the global magnetic
field, Obridko & Shelting (2008) forecast that cycle 24 would be of “medium high, the
same or somewhat higher than cycle 23”. Finally, Kitiashvili & Kosovichev (2008) using
a nonlinear dynamo model as described by Kleeorin & Ruzmaikin (2008) which takes into
account dynamics of the turbulent magnetic helicity, predict that the next sunspot cycle
will be significantly weaker (by ∼ 30%) than the previous cycle, continuing the trend of low
solar activity.
By means of the two methods utilized here, the Rescaled Range Analysis and the
Sugihara-May algorithm, we were able to deduce from the significant trends of the ISSN
data, both the cycle duration and its maximum intensity. Unlike previous analysis our
forecasting results are based on models that were tested out of sample to have a high
degree of forecast skill. Our conclusions therefore are (i) the reliable monthly mean sunspot
data during 1848-2007 (Kane 2008) yield a slightly higher Hurst exponent than do all
the historical observational data; (ii) H, being greater than 0.5, shows that the sunspots
series are highly persistent (exhibit momentum or trending); (iii) concerning cycle 24, the
maximum intensity of 87.4 will be reached in December 2012; (iv) according to this forecast,
the current solar cycle will have a magnitude far lower than any other since 1890-1910.
http://arxiv.org/pdf/0811.1708 (http://arxiv.org/pdf/0811.1708)

Dec 26th, 2008, 5:55 AM
This morning, ice storms take precident. After checking satellites, I found a
"strange energy" caught on this infrared coming up and out of the St.Lawrence
River near Quebec, CAN <click the loop> look at that area....
Now, what could this be?

Nice info Glacial. Make sure everyone "goes back a page" to get the
full story...
I actually think that the sun is doing some "changing" right before our eyes. The previous info and data sounds reasonable but there was no
"influence" of the hydrogen "leak" from the sun. As in, they didnt' take into consideration the vast amount of Hydrogen that the sun lost in the past years and didn't enter that data into those fields prior to
modelling. I do think that is a Huge Error. And will prove to be something "amiss" in future modelling efforts.

Glacial Ridge
Dec 26th, 2008, 7:21 AM
I checked out that satellite loop. The watervapor loop, clearly shows something that looks like some energy coming up, then rolling with the flow. It does look like it comes UP from that location (forms there) and moves on.

I wanted to see what kind of seismic activity was going on there.


HAVERHILL, N.H., Dec. 23 (UPI) -- Scientists said an earthquake felt by some New Hampshire towns during the weekend was likely an aftershock from a tremor 281 years ago.

Dr. John Ebel of the Weston Observatory in Massachusetts said the quake reported by some New Hampshire residents at about 4:35 p.m. Sunday ...

Regarding, "The Nonlinear Prediction of Solar Cycle 24," as posted earlier, seems the solar physicists of the world are having a bit of a quandary, in predicting solar cycle 24. Anywhere from 83+- to 150+- sunspots. they are definitely unsure!

That Fox video was interesting. And the use of harmonic oscillations, was also interesting and covered in the Nonlinear Prediction, as was other current information including decay and decline of strength. Shedding of large amounts of hydrogen is decay isn't it?

I would like to see more information, about the scientists, who are now recanting that solar cycle 24 will not be a dud and instead be another strong cycle. And the reasons why they now think differently?

Have some info on wandering magnetic poles to post on Pole Shift Data Analysis, later.

More snow for us last night. Man o man, I propose we ship some of our extra snow to drought striken areas.

Dec 26th, 2008, 2:18 PM
High latitude earthquake at the Davis Strait
first time I've seen quakes there..not too far from
where it released some energy from under the waterway??

hey, great eq maps there...

Dec 28th, 2008, 10:43 AM
Yesterday and overnight we lost all of our snow it is 60 F now and it was the same overnight, so the river broker we were in the midle of the water with current it it, now the water is receiding but we have wind of 100 km an hour, 60 miles an hour or so.

i will go offline soon the wind is to high we will surely lost power so i will disconnect the computer, i will come back to you on this and the river too.


Dec 28th, 2008, 10:49 AM
Some EQ activity in Yellowstone in the past 24hrs.....


Dec 28th, 2008, 11:24 AM
ooo looks like yellowstone lake is getting some quakes there..good find Sand.
Now, if the water disappears from the lake EVACUATE!!!
We have learned from glacier lake in chili and also in china that if water disappears,
next is the volcano discharge! It could be just quakes under there as the
caldera continues to grow, but you never know. We are about 50,000 yrs late for the release of that MONSTER...

kRAKATOA please let us know how things went for you when you get back online.
You are not too far from an area that released some energy 2 days ago and I'm
wondering if there are more quakes or if the dikes and levees are holding..
thanks in advance..

Mainstream science finally agrees with me that the solar winds are carrying great
amounts of meta particles to earth. This article here has some of them trapped
in our magnetic field...http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2008/12/081217-solar-breaches.html


I will see if I can't get an answer from someone if I can get over to the University
I think they can also get "roped in" by our skrewy magnetic field lines as well...

I was checking out Global Warming Climatologists websites last night and am
ASTONISHED that they base their global warming grandfunkery on the warming oceans. YOU GOT TO BE KIDDING ME. I didn't leave a response because you
simply cannot tell these people that underwater volcanism is the cause, they
REFUSE to acknowledge them...Hell, solar scientists REFUSE to acknowledge
the fact that the sun is in a weakening state...Even though the proof is
right in front of em. http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2008/09/080924-solar-wind.html

Listen, when geologists went BACK TO THE ICE CORE SAMPLES and took 1/2 inch ice samples instead of the 1 inch samples, it showed RAPID CLIMATE CHANGE.
To A COLDER CLIMATE. But this has been DISMISSED because it is the TRUTH.
And, there isn't any MONEY IN ICE AGES...heh.

We have already discussed the Photonic Material in our atmosphere and the
Kinetic energy and the bombardment of hydrogen from the sun...Now maybe
they will really take a look at our magnetic field lines...and they will see the truth.
A pre-cursor to our planet changing it's shape and it's gravitational field.

To be continued.....

Dec 28th, 2008, 11:37 AM
Thanks for the information, if only a few of the hard heads would read this......

Dec 28th, 2008, 11:44 AM
Mainstream science finally agrees with me that the solar winds are carrying great amounts of meta particles to earth. This article here has some of them trapped in our magnetic field... http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2008/12/081217-solar-breaches.html


nice to hear about the Mainstream finally getting the fact that Solar Activity has been weird for the last 50 or so years (some people are even saying 200 plus years of weird sun).

small Black Holes are more commonly referred to as Quantum Singularities because according to current theory no Black Hole with a mass of less than 5 solar masses can be stable by itself. there is a limit, I think it's called Chandrasekhar's Limit, wherein the Gravitational Force of a dying sun is strong enough to overcome the electrostatic repulsion of atoms to 'create' a black hole. less than 5 solar masses and the leftovers from the explosion are either a white dwarf or a neutron star. more than 5 solar masses and you get a black hole. (Reality Check, I'm referring to old theory here)

Black holes, regardless of size, are creatures of MASS. and the Mass involved is huge, even a 'teeny tiny' mini quantum singularity would likely mass more than half the Himalayan Mountain Range - hell, most of the Quantum Singularity Creation hypotheses I have read involve using energies and mass equivalent to the Earth Itself in order to create the 'little black hole.'

thus - Solar Wind would have No Discernible Physical Effect. that is, there would be no 'push' from solar wind because the solar wind is just energetic photons and particles which mass about zero really. that is why most Solar Sail proposals from NASA (not Science Fiction - but real science) involve the use of a 'canopy' that would measure about 1000 kilometers across to 'propel' a object with a mass the size of a luxury sedan - if you work out the efficiency it becomes apparent that the only efficient thing about Solar Sailing is the free ride the sun provides - just hope that a 3 month trip to the Moon is ok because it ain't happening any faster.

Magnetic fields would have the correct 'attraction' effect, especially since Black Holes are also electromagnetically charged and carry their own 'positive or negative' thing as well, and they have 'poles' of magnetism. so the electromagnetic field lines surrounding the Earth (aka the Van Allen Belts) would Definitely have an attraction force - but again the MASS comes up ... the world's strongest electromagnet would still have a bitch of a time dragging the worlds largest cruise ship more than a millimeter ...

Gravity is the BIG OVERWHELMING FACTOR when it comes to Attracting Black Holes of any type. and our gravity well on Earth isn't huge, the Sun is so much bigger. and Jupiter sits in the Middle of the Solar System as the Next Huge Gravity Well. thus Earth (and the other planets inbetween the Sun and Jupiter) benefit from the fact that these two Great Big Huge Gravity Wells tend to draw all debris towards them - 'cleaning up' the inner system if you will. this is why we aren't being pummeled by 10 mile wide asteroids every 100 years.

as for Black Holes having a 'will,' now we're entering into the realm of Quantum Science Fiction. sure it's possible that a Black Hole could develop a form of 'consciousness' but would we be able to understand it? or even be aware of its existence?

anyways, thoughts for perusal and/or discussion.

Dec 28th, 2008, 5:04 PM
great info mez. I was wondering if smaller black holes could "just enter" into our
atmosphere at "their pace" not "free will" like a conscience... like a group of them entering...I didn't know their mass was that wide. Wow. And they must travel in a group if small. hmmm. Amazing stuff. All I can say is thank god for Jupiter!

Dec 28th, 2008, 5:32 PM
I got to thinking about where 'quantum singularities' might come from as far as a local source goes and I remembered a theory about the Sun I heard back in the mid 1990's ...

the core of the Sun is place that we can only infer or imagine since the pressures and temperatures there would render even the strongest elements into their constituent atoms. and to say that the core of the Sun is 'solid' is implying a whole series of presumptions on what we consider to be a solid. consider that though the matter which comprises the 'core' of our Sun may be thousands of even millions of times more dense than lead, it exists in a superheated highly energetic soup of ultra thick plasma - try to imagine something that lead would float on like aerogel on solid steel but is still, essentially, a semi-fluid plasma.

now, within this Hellish soup of charged particles, pure energy and high temperatures it has been surmised that 'quantum singularity' type black holes Regularly Appear and Disappear like bubbles - kind of like how propellors turning create air bubbles through Cavitation. What causes these 'black hole bubbles' to form is theory, perhaps cross currents in the core flow or something.

ok - here we go on another aspect of Black Holes. we all know that Black Holes have an Absorption Rate, or How Fast They Suck In Matter - but Black Holes also have something known simply as an Evaporation Rate as well, that is How Much Energy and Mass is spewed from a black hole.

wait, you say, Nothing Escapes a Black Hole - which is true, but only as far as our ability to observe goes and that stops at the Event Horizon - what happens beyond the edge of this cosmic cliff we can only, you guessed it, infer from what we can see from the Event Horizon.

now, it has been postulated that the reason why the universe isn't chock full of middlin' to huge black holes sucking up everything in sight is that Black Holes, despite their ferocious gravity, still Give Up Some Energy in their emissions. thus really big black holes may form in the middle of nowhere but after a few million years, with only interstellar gas to feed on, the Mass of the black hole would have been reduced due to its constant emission of EM energy (the whole Conservation Of Energy thing comes into play here, Nothing is Free, not even for a Black Hole). and it goes to follow that the Smaller a Black Hole the Faster it would 'Evaporate' as it gave up its mass in the form of radiated energy which makes it back into our realm of perception.

so -- in the center of the Sun these teeny tiny mini black holes may be regularly forming under stresses we can barely imagine and then 'popping' as their half-life of one millionth of a second is passed - and in the process a lot of energy and mass goes into making them and a lot of energy is released when they collapse - with a new loss to the system overall but such a tiny net loss compared to the conversion of mass to energy ...

the Sun rings like a bell. it has a voice and that voice has a range from whisper to scream. and for a long time scientists have noticed semi-regular 'big rings' that seem to emanate from within the Sun itself. so one day a Big Brain (probably at either Cambridge or MIT) surmised that we were hearing the 'explosion ripples' from internal processes which are far more complex than we initially thought.

I mean, the concept of a huge fusion reaction powering the Sun is all well and good but it seems a bit simplistic when taking the whole of cosmology into account. imagining the core of the Sun as a stew of insanely powerful processes which we can barely comprehend doesn't seem that far a stretch.

*sprained brain ... must lie down now*

Dec 28th, 2008, 7:28 PM
With everything else going on these days it is no wonder we talk about volcanoes the planet and the worlds weather.
I do find it fascinating in one sense but kind of worries me slightly at the same time.

Hows the weather in the states now?
The uk is in for some real cold weather again for the next two weeks what happened to the sun?

Dec 29th, 2008, 5:59 AM
You have that high pressure system coming down. The solar winds of last week
carried some serious particles with it that has "seeded" some clouds so you
have some warmer clouds but that super cold, I call "space cold" is still going to
kick some UK Butt! We had rotating low's that brought us some snow and ice
that has finally melted with the rains that came after the system moved on.
A warm ribbon twisted throughout the USA and caused tornados and heat with the back side as blizzards..This warmth won't last. Winds carry the heat off and
it will be a cold again. We have not seen the "serious cold" yet. It will come.

I've been thinking about the possibility that they hydrogen that the sun spewed on us could have become ionized. Is this where the "warm ribbons of heat" have generated from? I know that heat is released from under coastal areas and get's "sucked up" to the passing clouds <see above posts> too bad we didnt' get a still photo of the process, but this is how the heat is added to the
winds and is carried away. The warm earth meets the cold atmosphere and
BAM, crash,boom,bang. The velocity of the cloud systems have been staggering.
they zoom by so fast.
the clouds have released the "lighter"cloud formations and they zoom under the
large cloud systems.
What can the ionized hydrogen do to our atmosphere? If there is any that is.

the sun is still asleep. it's lost alot of it's mass. so any models are WRONG
because they didnt' use this data in their models. Are they ever going to?
Because they ALREADY KNOW that the sun has lost mass and that the corona
has slowed it's thermonuclear processes.
and that is TRUTH.

to mez. wow. you really have an excellent grasp of the sun's reality.
I'm satisfied. thanks.

Dec 29th, 2008, 11:22 AM
ionized Hydrogen and the Heat Cycle of Earth's Atmosphere woke up my sleepy brain and has me typing even before coffee is placed in front of me, so forgive my rambling ideas ...

one of the Major Factors in the consideration of Solar LifeCycles is the whole manner in which the physical dimensions of the Sun are affected by its changing energy states, so here we go with a bunch of seeming contradictions ...

When stars start 'losing mass' or become 'less energetic' their coronas have a habit of Increasing In Diameter and Dropping the Frequency of their Emissions. this is to say that if a star 'cools down' a bit then it will 'redden' a bit in it's output and bloat up a touch. now this seems counter intuitive but consider that the diameter of the Sun is not simply a matter of mass and material (like a solid body) but it is directly related to the level of 'power output' in that the energetic reaction within the Sun help to 'inflate' the coronal mass of plasma against the force of gravity.

it seems at this point that any sort of 'lessening' should result in a shrinking sun but wait ...

the relationship between the corona and the rest of the Sun is something we don't really understand fully. some people like to compare the Sun's corona to Earth's atmosphere, but the Corona is actually more like Earth's Van Allen Belts on mega steroids. imagine a Magnetic Field belt so powerful it can contain superhot plasma which carries a temperature Higher Than The Interior of the Sun.

so, if the Sun has lost a bit of Mass and is cycling into a Less Energetic portion of its life then the results would be a lowering of gravity and energy output from Within. now, when such events occur, the Solar Magnetic Field is also affected. and since the magnetic field acted like a 'shepherd' for the superhot plasma of the Corona ...

so, the Solar Corona bloats up and gets a touch redder in its output. it is still much hotter than the suns interior so the basic physics are still in effect. but the coronal mass itself has been diffused slightly in that the Corona has grown by 1 - 5 %. and that diffusion allows for energetic activity from within to have a more significant physical effect.

now we have a Sun that has increased its Radiant Surface Area, and despite the 'cooling' there is still an overall net Upwards Movement of radiated energies of all sorts. and though the sunspots are less rambunctious than before, any 'flare' activity would stand a better chance of 'launching' megatonnes of superhot plasma out from the sun, like those solar prominences but they Don't Fall Back.

ok LETS MOVE TO EARTH -- so while all this is going on there is a Net Increase in Radiant Energies which the Sun is broadcasting freely. so the Planets of the Solar System start picking this up. and slowly, but surely, the Planets Warm Up.

for us on the Third Rock this means many things. first we are Close Enough for such effects to have a greater direct effect than, say, Saturn. and the first of these Effects is Atmospheric Heating. and, like any good feedback system, the Earth's Atmosphere will also Increase it's relative thickness with additions of Heat -- in short the Hot Air takes up more room and so the Upper Atmospheric Boundary moves outwards (sort of like the Sun's Corona but for entirely different reasons).

at the upper levels the Thermosphere is so rarified that the Space Station orbits within it, but it is still considered part of the Atmosphere. and it is here where the Sun's Extra Heat first has an effect. though the Thermosphere is barely there, it is Good at picking up Heat. and it also is the realm of Aurorae - which means ionized plasma likes it there as well.

so, every time the sun belches forth some hot gas and we intersect it the atmosphere expands slightly in response which increases its surface area which allows it to capture more heat the next time around which expands it even more.

this is the Feedback Loop which so many 'EarthHuman-centric' climate disaster mongers fail to take into account. that For Every Hour The Earth Travels Through The Sun's Increased Output More Heat Is Added To The System Than 50 Years Of CO2 Emissions Could Account For.

it is this reality which, and I say this seriously, Must Be Hidden From The General Public. because if the Great Unwashed are told that Nothing That They Do Will Make A Difference then we could see a Complete Meltdown of any efforts to clean up our act. and our efforts to clean up after ourselves are Very Important To Our Personal Survival -- but we NEED to keep everyone Deluded in order for them to Do The Right Thing.

anyways - Yes ionized hydrogen has an effect but it is more direct Cause and Effect as far as heat exchange goes - not enough mass in that hydrogen to screw with our magnetic field. for Effects on our Magnetic Field look to the sun's magnetic emissions themselves - ionized hydrogen is life a feather compared to the ball-peen hammer of the solar magnetic field.

but as heat is added to our system consider that all the 'Changes' we're seeing is a lot like the 'beginning' of movement in a glob of wax in a Lavalamp. we're only seeing the start of it, the wax has a lot more stuff in store for us ...

Dec 29th, 2008, 2:35 PM
I was just reading about A star's change in it's energy.
A star has many changes within it and it's structure depends on
the "right combination" of certain influences to determine it's strength.
The most intreguing thing I've read is that a star can simply "flip a switch",
now that's a solar feedback cycle feature too.
Our star is a variable star and variable stars do alot of changing in it's life.
I wonder WHY the sun bombarded us with flares in dec 2006?
WHY? That never happened like that in prior recorded years.

And ever since, the sun has "acted up" by sleeping and/or creating
lazy sunspots..Solar scientists say it'll ramp up and really give us a show.
I think the show was in december 2006 and that it "switched gears" and it's "magnetic tenticles" which "shepard the planets" will weaken...
Only time will tell, and way before that happens, the tectonic plates will
have to adjust to earth's core temp change. So, it'll all be right in front of us
soon enough. I for one think that vast amounts of heat is escaping right now
from the core through earth's crust in WATER WAYS..Very weak areas...
Satellite images show some pretty amazing stuff if anyone has the time to
really look at the realtime images..
You can see this happening down at the gulf of mexico right at the lip of the
continental shelf. Dotted with volcanos' I wouldnt be suprised if there was
an dormant super volcano under there. Either way, that is going to be very
seismically active soon..<I think> and right smack dab in the middle of

Dec 29th, 2008, 3:03 PM
here's an interesting NASA article I found recently - it's from 2008 and it starts contradicting stuff from even as recently as last year.


I also recall speculation that the 'next' solar max (forecast for 2011/2012) might be an unusual 'low activity' one which is held as a portent of a 'Minimum Cycle' aberration - here's the Wiki artciel on Maunder Minimum


but again there is back and forth on the topic, especially with many scientists foretelling rather high activity resulting in lots of solar storms.

there was also an AO thread on this topic - I can't recall who started it or where it is but it's there somewhere. I'll try to find it ...

Dec 30th, 2008, 1:22 AM
What about the bigger picture. The center of a galaxy can be thought of as a super sun. A large blackhole spewing out stuff we have not yet realized. Gravity waves, streams of particles that disrupt our protective sphere millions of miles from here and let dust in. It acts in conjunction with our own little part of the universe.

As we approach the galactic cycle of 13,000 and 26,000 years in 2112 we may find that the ancient civilizations were onto the goings on of the solar system much more than we imagined. Perhaps they had help. Unfortunately we do not and we may find out the hard way at the speed of light.

Check out these sites.

Interesting reads.

Had no idea the exact timing of the Mayan calendar was down to the minute. 2012, December 21, 11.12 GMT during the December solstice the Sun is at the exact centre of the Galaxy. This moment is the end of their calendar.

Dec 30th, 2008, 1:31 AM
Opps. I typed the time wrong. 11:11 not 11:12.

Hey if it the end of the world a minute can make a difference.

Dec 30th, 2008, 2:08 AM
Found a couple more interesting sites explaining superwaves and past civilizations recordings of such events.


Dec 30th, 2008, 2:10 AM
And a forum dedicated to the topic with lots of info relating crop circles and gravity waves and pole shifts to the upcomming 2012 event.


Just the first page kept me busy for a while.

Dec 30th, 2008, 1:12 PM
Russia's Koryakski volcano on the eastern Kamchatka Peninsula has erupted sending ash 6,000 metres (20,000 feet) into the air, according to the local geophysics service said.

In the past 24 hours, about 170 tremors have been registered near the volcano. The last major eruption occurred 3,500 years ago.

There are more than 150 volcanoes on the Peninsula, 29 of them active.

Here is the link..........


Dec 30th, 2008, 4:21 PM
Wow. alot of activity going on today. I was "blasted out of bed" by un-real
winds. It sounded like the earth was "ROARING" and, the wind speeds reached
100 mph in some places..I just listened as the winds crashed everything outside.
And the aftermath wasn't pretty. My windows rattled along with my teeth! hehe.
There are alot of volcano's going off today. thanks to sandstorm, we got to see one! I've told tales of seeing "heat" rising up from beneath USA. So, there is
alot of tectonic activity going on and as we know Yellowstone rumblin' again.
Not too unusual but tremors are usually shallow, todays was 13 km. so it's
deep rumblin' mama's stretching as tired old man says. he he..so true.

People use to say we were doomers here on AO. Well, we were just the
first who acknowledged the coming disasters and look, more scientists are
on board read this:
and this:
and this:

Like I said, alot of activity going on today.

Anyone following my blogging here on AO knows that in 2005 I said
BUY GOLD AND SILVER!! and look what happened. So here we go again.
BUY PENNIES. yes pennies.
as many as you can get. pref 1981 and below as they have 95 percent
COPPER and the new penny wont have any. So SAVE COINS..except quarters.

mutterings have told me that a mere 5 cent nickle can be worth 30 cents
in 3 yrs.. Whos' gonna buy em"? the government will buy them back..
for the copper content.
get prepared, or get run over...

Glacial and Krakatoa have been MIA lately. Glacial lives near the
flooded FOX RIVER and Krakatoa near montreal where snow/ice
tore down electrical lines....Hope you 2 are safe!

check out earth's spin axis. It is getting "tighter" very slightly but
it is.. and Easter is the time that the "spin axis" anomoly shows up!

Dec 30th, 2008, 6:38 PM
wow! nice one for the detail Mezurashi! shit! that stuff makes you put 2 & 2 together!

and those posts from one14am, cheers for those! that looks factual to me!!

what if.....

we not only got hit with a major CME, directly. At the same time we get a Gravity burst / Gamma ray burst from the Galactic core. Now that would be just ever so slightly serious!

Amazingly, Channel Five in the UK showed the "Perfect Disaster - Solar storm" film last week : http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=QIr6nfwpctA

If a solar storm of that magnitude hits Earth in the next few years it would cause Worldwide blackouts in power and Comms for years.

Judging by the current minimum a CME like that aint going to do jack to warm us up for the long term and the enforced darkness would be devastating coupled with the coming and could have arrived already; COLD!

if the Galactic core or any of the other galaxies give us a burst at the same time, oh dear oh dear oh dear! one14am's link to Paul LaVoilette suggests the Asian Tsunami of 2004, caused by the largest Earthquake ever in that area (9.3), was caused by a Gravity burst that preceded, 46 hours earlier, a Gramma burst that was recorded.

can you imagine the power from the Galactic core! :humpin:

the solar storm is definitely possible; what about the above?

and another thing.

from Mezurashi's post made me think about the magnetosphere's of all Planets. why can't we see them, live; and monitor them every second?

always thought sound waves were powerful. we don't know much about them either!


if only he was still alive!!!!!

and finally.....

yes, we are freezin our butts off in the UK! -3 now! tomorrow nothing above Diana Ross! (she was in the "3 degrees" you know!!)

warned you about that nasty Jet Stream flow didn't I! well Russia for that matter, but we're are sure getting the remnants and a massive High, with flows from -50 temps I saw in Omsk. Now though Moscow is -2 and Archangel 0 degrees, that is mad! are those your warm winds Protostar? the Highlands had -11, now it's -7! Very very rare for London to be colder than Moscow late December!!!!


have a great New Year; I'll be back once recovered from the festivities!

for Auld Lang Syne

"The phrase "Auld Lang Syne" means - old long since or "when" or "time2 - I think - so I've always taken the song to be a celebration of friendships that have stood the test of time. Which is why it's sung at New Year - a time for remembering the past, celebrating the present and looking to the future!"


Dec 31st, 2008, 6:57 AM
Look at all of the Airplane "incidents" on the 29th. <dont click the plane icons,
just run cursor over it>
Did your news outlets let you know of all of those events happening all at once?

When I woke up this morning I walked past the window. The ground was
brown as I passed the window on the way to the bathroom. When I emerged from
my tinkle, and passed the window again, it was ALL WHITE. The snow
coverage is astoundingly fast. And I saw SNOWBALL SIZE SNOW FLAKES!
eh? I've got no "reasoning" for those....I can't even "fathom" a reason for snowball sized snowflakes. holy crow!
The solar windstream has made it to Earth. see the magnetometer and how LARGE the flux was, so we just got a major dump of solar "materials" to add to the already crazy soup mix that is our atmosphere.
Mama has heard a "whisper" that some satellites are FAILING..
What is causing this problem? They get "stuck" <frozen> or non responsive
<system failure> possibly by the onslaught of space debris and cloud dust?
"caulking up the filters" perhaps? maybe shorting out due to the high radiative
space "stuff" zooming by..
If the UK is cold now, just wait until Jan/Feb. Then the real freeze will be "on"
hopefully, everone has extra food/water stored because Winter just got started
here in the N.Hemi and the "natural disasters" have not "lessened" but now
"quickened it's pace"
ain't CLIMATE CHANGE a bitch?
Keep monitoring Yellowstone clearly, there has been a "change" in the

Dec 31st, 2008, 7:22 AM

Harmonic tremors now in Yellowstone...

Stabby Joe
Dec 31st, 2008, 11:34 AM
Over here it wasn't an "all to cold" winter... until it suddenly got really frosty/icey.

Jan 1st, 2009, 8:14 AM
Happy New Year Everyone! We made it through another year watching our
"future" happen and Climate Change unfolding right before our eyes.
I got closure on how the vast amounts of "Helium" got into our atmosphere
recently, it went like this:
The sun Blasted out Hydrogen and Giant X Class Solar Flares in 2006.
Here's the amazing part. The Hydrogen Atoms got fused together to form
HELIUM Atoms by our Geomagnetic Field!! So there it is!
So now we know how our atmosphere got that inert gas into it and
now we Understand that the Solar Winds bring every other form of
gas and ratiative substances into our atmosphere and that our Geomagnetic
Field has An agenda just beginning to emerge to help explain ALOT OF SCIENCE.

What's next? What does 2009 have in store for us?
What will the sun do?

1. Will the Not create not create a cool umbra and the gas just continues to boil to a critical stage? or

2. Will the sun Create a cool umbra and then sunspots start poking up throughout the entire disk unleashing it's pure energy?

Will yellowstone completely scare the shit our of us this year?
Will Wedge Tornado's suck up whole towns in the coming year?

So, keep your seat belt fastened and your eyes on the monitors!
Save them Coins and Water and Food, What have you got to lose?

Jan 2nd, 2009, 8:30 PM
How is the weather over there now?
There are flood watches for the northwest and portland expecting floods as well.
A pacific storm is heading for oregon so back to the usual norm then!
The uk is cold but no rain at all yet just the usual grey skies which i have come accustomed to these days.

How to sum up the earth changes.
The Warming Earth Blows Hot, Cold and Chaotic yeah i guess that sums up the weather.

Jan 3rd, 2009, 7:18 AM
OK, here we go again. You have spaceweather.com telling you all about a cycle 24 sunspot located on sun's <upper half> which petered out and died as usual,
now LOOK WITH YOUR EYES. What do you see when you click on the magnetogram here at the soho link. You see small sunspots at the LOWER HALF. These are OLD CYCLE Sunspots and they are STRONG. Yes they too peter out but the point is
that they are being IGNORED. and they are right in front of you to see.
Also, they swim upwards to confuse solar scientists who think that they are
cycle 24 spots. So ask yourself this: Why do they IGNORE the cycle 23 spots?
mama knows...BECAUSE CYCLE 23 ISN'T LEAVING. http://sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov/data/realtime/mdi_mag/512/

Hypocrites will now tell you that GLOBAL WARMING will turn into GLOBAL COOLING.
hahahahahaha. First these reputable scientists LIE AND TELL YOU THE GLOBAL TEMP HAS RISEN. Then they get caught lying and now they SPIN THEIR LIE
And the weak sheeple believe it! Be very afraid. They are in OVERDRIVE to
try to save their LIES and as we know THAT GLOBAL WARMING LIE IS WORTH

So far since 2006, when the sun Changed it's Charge of Energy
Earth and every other planet in our solar system has gone through changes
that effect it's 'GLOBAL ENVIRONMENT' / the orb.
Earth- A beautiful blue humming beauty Alive with life and an astonishing atmosphere is no exception. And every season has brought chaos to it.

Earth's magnetics have "dampened" and field lines are fluxing which shows
us that earth's electrical charge has changed. It's filed lines had changed
it's chandler wobble has changed and it's oceans oscillations have changed
not due to the cow farts or plastic bottles, but due to the CHANGES IN OUTER SPACE IN REACTION TO THE SUN'S LESSENING EFFECT.

I am all for reducing pollution. yes sir. Because as the earth creates condensation
more clouds will form and we need fresh air underneath those clouds, where we are located.. And displaced water droplets would evaporate if the atmosphere was that hot. Don't get swallowed up by the bullshit. Save your own ass.

Ryan's article above has some FLAWS. The global temp HAS NOT RISEN. it has cooled.

it will be a MILITARY GROUP. Why? you might say....
mama already told you why...

Jan 3rd, 2009, 5:40 PM
who's been turning Protostar? would love to see a good headline from the mainstream media of some eminent Anthropogenic junk scientist! ha ha!

Helium in the atmosphere too?! what are the consequences here?

UK's in for another few weeks of cold and there has to be significant snow somewhere in that time. Just check our jetstream for the week!


Saturday 10th in particular!

weird temps going off at the moment, hang on a minute......

and a fair few earthquakes: http://satellite.ehabich.info/index.html

back to the temps!

Iceland 6C !!! Edinburgh -1C, London -5C !

Moscow -13C, Murmansk-10, Tromso -6C ! that's more like it!!!

check out the jetstream for today through the Caribean and up the Atlantic! no wonder Iceland is +6 and Edinburgh warmer than London!

All that warm air going to the arctic sure is going to create some MAJOR precipitation!

M7.5 in the last hour in Papua, Indonesia. Hope it's not a dangerous one!


M5.9 in Afghanistan, 2 hours ago (137 miles deep though)

lots going on......

Jan 4th, 2009, 1:16 PM
Sorry if i inturrupt i thought this would be important, i have 4 pictures of what we lived Sunday on the 28th of December, because of Climate change, a lot of weather pattern we have since a while now, and more since a year and 1/2, now right after the water receided the wind became 90 to 100 km an hour about 50 to 70 miles hour or so, and we lost power all in the same day!!!

here are the pics.
the 1st water is our land and ice is the river.

This is the front of the house the water is going into the ditch coming from 3 different places from the river


This one is on the other side of the house water coming up and circulating 3 different places from the river

That is infront the house again you can see the tempo our truck is inside the ditch was fulling up


I hope this will work,


Jan 4th, 2009, 1:19 PM
Oh ya i forgot HAPPY NEW YEAR EVERYONE!!! MISSED YOU GUYS, i was not here often, but i was here in spirit at times especially that day lol.


Jan 4th, 2009, 7:35 PM
We have just had a light covering of the whitestuff not forecast must be due to the temps we are getting.

I just found out what we are to expect in the uk.
Paul Simons

The big freeze will envelop the South tonight as the Arctic weather conditions send temperatures plunging as low as minus 10C
Basically a real mixed bag of weather.

Stabby Joe
Jan 5th, 2009, 8:08 AM
Well, they forecast a sunny spell for the Sunday... frost... lots and lots of frost... then snow the next day.

I know many of us don't believe some of these "scientists'" climate change predictions by my God... they can't even predict the weather the next day, let alone for 50 years time.

Jan 5th, 2009, 9:56 AM
There really is a tremendous amount of mouth shutting going on around here.
The entire internet has clammed up! There isn't any whispers going on
and all "systems seem normal"....All sat's working, nothing abnormal..
funny how that is....
no news IS NOT good news on the Climate Change front.
I mean, even the Global Warmthinks have shut up!
It's been about 3 days of calm.
and then we slowly ease into dangerously cold temps....
<Even Southern Hemi areas getting cold too.>
Where the hell is that CO2 Blankie?

Jan 5th, 2009, 5:55 PM
Parts of the uk especially scotland come to a standstill with more arctic temps on their way.
Australia which seems to be getting more extreme weather with reported temps upto 41 degrees with floods in other parts.
Does that satisfy you only joking seems 2009 will get even more extreme weather patterns.

Jan 6th, 2009, 6:40 AM
Lot's of job openings available. Here's one now,
You have until march 20, 2009 to come up with a sure fire way
to destroy incomming asteroids.

If they would have created the DART spacecraft to ATTRACT asteroids, that
little bastard could have a perpetual "road runner" thing going on with the
asteroids..but DART disappeared...,

eh? they are requesting submissions from the public? ruh roh, we're in trouble here..

Temp alert:
Temp dropped 2 degrees in the past 1/2 hr.
it is 7:30 am

I guess we can all agree on the fact that we are going through a
very cold area in space. How much you want to bet that we just
dipped below the galactic plane...it's awful cold in there!

How come everyone is ignoring the double sunspots emerging located on the sun's
equator? oh, yeah, that's right, because they are CYCLE 23 SUNSPOTS.
Which means CYCLE 23 I'SNT LETTING GO...so just ignore them....heh.

Why tell people we are going to get bombarded with flares and conjur up a
300+ page informative book on the possiblility of solar flares ruining our
technology? http://www.spaceweather.com

Sure, we are going to get bombarded with space debris. Of course. We
are flying through space for heavens sakes, but what about the cold zones?
Why not info on these areas Beneath the galactic plane?

Jan 6th, 2009, 11:54 AM
Yeah tell me about it some gas supplies to europe have been cut already.
-10 to -9 degrees thats bloody cold dont you think?
I have seen the ice storms over in both canada and the states in the past but not quite there yet.

Why is it so cold it seems most places are witnessing the same as well.

Stabby Joe
Jan 6th, 2009, 12:23 PM
Lot's of job openings available. Here's one now,
You have until march 20, 2009 to come up with a sure fire way
to destroy incomming asteroids.

If they would have created the DART spacecraft to ATTRACT asteroids, that
little bastard could have a perpetual "road runner" thing going on with the
asteroids..but DART disappeared...,

eh? they are requesting submissions from the public? ruh roh, we're in trouble here..

The public!? So if I were to suggest a giant inflatable monkey they would consider it!?

*sigh* Maybe this is a result of the previous isolated assumptions on the cause of global warming, that they're now indicating their failings elsewhere...

Jan 6th, 2009, 1:33 PM
Are you freezing your tush off over there Stabby?
It sure looks like it

We have some serious cold snapping going on. Tornado's on the front and
Blizzards on the back but this time, we get treated with ice. Alot of it we

Africa buckles down for intense storms and in Australia, they find their
cattle up a tree:

okay, strange and intense weather is enveloping our planet
just in case anyone was wondering..

Where is our Solar System heading you ask?

Jan 6th, 2009, 2:44 PM
Im sure this cold snap will be over soon we hope.
Wonder whats install for the rest of the year as im sure there will be many front page news stories very soon.
America and Australia have been in the news quite alot and so has the poorer states,the uk has been very lucky in one sense.

Jan 6th, 2009, 3:14 PM
I just found this report on how cold it has become in europe sounds familiar im sure the same happened back last year.

Jan 7th, 2009, 2:23 AM
Over here it wasn't an "all to cold" winter... until it suddenly got really frosty/icey.

Scientists said that today's icy winter happened AGAIN after a decade. It means...:ohmy:

Jan 7th, 2009, 7:45 AM
I hate to beat a dead horse to death but if it calls for it........
Spaceweather.com has finally acknowledged the sunspot. Now that it is
disappearing, they are calling this southern latitude sunspot a new sunspot
for cycle 24.

Over on the other channel, they acknowledged it but wont give it a cycle

so, bye bye sunspot, you little ditty that was IGNORED.
'IGNORED because you have proven that cycle 23 is the long drawn out
minimum of historic proportions.

While the gov IGNORES the facts INFRONT OF THEIR EYES, they are spending
time and money trying to CONTINUE THE GLOBAL WARMING LIE....
for who?
The greedy capitolists who are hangin on by a global warming thread, that's who.
Billions of dollars WASTED.

So, go ahead and prepare for the solar blasts...you wont' be alive for it...
It has nothing to do with who's right or wrong.....
It has EVERYTHING to do with getting educated.

get used to it.
We are slowly slipping into an ice age.....and with each season, worse weather
until summer comes no more.....
nobody knows when that is...but the FIRST CONCERN is, has and always will be
to preserve and save our geomagnetic shield.

And with the breech, solar materials OTHER THAN SOLAR is getting
into our atmosphere as well. Like SPACE COLD hundreds of degrees below zero.
mama knows....

Jan 7th, 2009, 10:21 AM
so now the Wall Street Journal is going to report on the climate, now that
<they> along with other money grubbers have ruined the monatary infrastructure in the USA, that wasn't enough, now they are aiming for the climate.

Notice how bankers get their greedy tenticles into EVERYTHING?

Jan 7th, 2009, 1:17 PM
Altho we had flood and we lost all of our snow, it is white everywhere, we have a snow storm again:ohmy::ohmy::ohmy:

Not to cold tho at least for now


Jan 8th, 2009, 1:26 AM
Say, when would that all melt? by February or March?

Jan 8th, 2009, 4:58 AM
snow melts when it rains my friend. and the water vapor in the sky will come
down one way or another raphnix.

on to more serious things:

You tell me why they are SCARING and REDUCING your brain to wrap around
their agenda. Listen, it's getting worse. As the sun SLEEPS, now they are pushing
the OMG, THE SUN IS GONNA FRY US technique. Believe me, the sun ain't doing
A DAMN THING. As a matter of fact, if you go to spaceweather.com and go into the archives, they have been TELLING YOU FOR 1.5 YRS THAT CYCLE 24 HAS
ARRIVED. IT'S ALL LIES.http://www.standeyo.com/NEWS/09_Space/090107.space.Katrina.html

OOO be afraid of the KATRINA IN THE SKY.

Now, you all have useful thinking brains, why do you suppose they keep
pushing this on you? Because THEY LOSE.

The millions of dollars they spent on GLOBAL WARMING has come to naught and
to keep funding, they are saying, BUT GLOBAL WARMING CAUSES GLOBAL COOLING.
Now, I have ENDURED their lies ENOUGH!

Nice try. We are going to get bombarded with COMETS AND METEORITES
so,they want you to think this is coming from the sun.

remember that these same geniuses put a blanket over the ice shelf to
SAVE IT, but it melted very rapidly so, just remember WHO THESE PEOPLE
ARE. and when they lose, THEY MAKE EVERYONE ELSE PAY.
Wasting money, these people simply, MAKE UP SHIT.
It is incredible that these people, who are bona-fide scientists can fuck up so
bad that it effects the entire earth. But they did. <you'll hear more on this soon>
Another group of people with jobs that they CANT HANDLE.

Heat comes from below us. It is the core breeching and letting out it's 20,000
degree heat. Heat rises. What question could there possibly be as to where the
heat is coming from? Our sun is asleep. Even the Prominences that they try to
sell you as "activity" has waned...

Katrina in space. YOU GOTTA BE KIDDING ME.
be very afraid for your wallet.

pls forgive my rants today and my swearing.
I'm pissed by this bullshit propeganda they keep shoveling
up your ass.

Jan 8th, 2009, 9:54 AM
2009 and we already hear about historic floods in washington,colorado which are enduring wildfires,france heavy snow.
I do wonder whats install for many of us this year alone never mind about 2008.


Temperatures now upto 40c in Australia also exceeding these temperatures already.

Mozambique flooding killing ten people.
Seems there is a lot of activity at this time which is now not unusual i suppose.
See more here.


Jan 8th, 2009, 6:52 PM
Here is something you dont hear about everyday.
IT IS an event as rare as it is spectacular - but yesterday, after a week of sub-zero conditions, the sea around Britain began to freeze.
Almost the ice age then!

Jan 9th, 2009, 2:30 AM
As what I've said, some weather change can be the result of some astronomical cycle which is pretty normal to the universe but not to us since we are talking about timing here. So, if scientist do say that this event is an astronomical abnormality, they'll probably find out later by 20 to 100 years that's its just normal in some broader sense. lols

Jan 9th, 2009, 8:57 AM
Look here, Earth is located at approx 11:oo as you know, 3rd rock
from the sun. this harvard plotstation shows a TON OF DEBRIS.
Earth is literally being "squished in space"

As you have seen, the heliosphere has been squashed or tamped down
by the pressure and wind speed and the surrounding debris and cloud dust.
well, so isn't earth itself.
look at the material at just 13 au <distance from earth to sun>
that's close.
And if you study the plot, you'll see that we are just in the "beginning"
stages of meeting up with Universal Materials. or, better put, THEY are getting closer to our little blue planet...

Nice article ryan, perhaps there has been a "salt dump" somehow off shore?
This goes to show you the temperature fluxuations that near shore temps
give are "ever changing" just like the oceans...Thats why I DISMISS any given temperature readings on the oceans..they change...perpetually....
Scientists are FORGETTING that it takes the oceans currents approx 1200 years to complete one whole "lap" ----great changes happen within that time period..

Ok so the ice came. the turrents came and the snow/polar cold came..
it's only going to get worse as we cruise into "debris filled zones"
in space. Our Geomagnetic Field is struggling. It will do what it can
considering it has the strength of a "simple refrigerator magnet" but
in space, that has been enough, until now.....

*remember that the old farmers almanac had been correctly predicting
seasons by various methods which, had failed for the first time 2008-2009.

This ain't no mild winter. and you'll never see one of those again.

Jan 9th, 2009, 11:31 AM
hey everyone.....

remember these guys: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00gn3zn

they sent up that balloon full of instruments over Antarctica

BBC showed the film on Wednesday night. What a bumpy ride!!!

better link here on their full site:


will hunt round for the blast data shortly. that stuff has to be HOT !!!

it has to show examples of space energies coming in!

Jan 9th, 2009, 1:41 PM
Australia seems to be witnessing the most changes well so are the united states.
It was supposed to be milder today but had freezing fog in the afternoon instead,its bloody freezing again.
NORTH Queensland is bracing itself for its first cyclone of the season wonder how this will turn out?

More on the world is getting warmer.
It might feel cold in Europe but the world is getting hotter and global warming remains a danger, the United Nations weather agency WMO said Friday.

Something else to read on the snow storms and temperatures in the states.

Jan 10th, 2009, 4:13 AM
Whew! it's 8 degrees around the knees. and that moon, holy cow! what a
beauty that pedigree moon. so close and yet so far...
anyhoo, well spaceweather is at it again, there is a sunspot in the northern
latitude and one in the southern latitude. But NO ACKNOWLEDGEMENT on the
one in the southern lat's which is <cycle 23 sunspots>.
Again, they ignore it and push the 2012 crap again. It's discusting.
check out their site today http://www.spaceweather.com

These solar scientists just ignore all sunspots/perhaps they don't give a spot
a number until it matures but don't want to "ruffle feathers" of the US GOV sponsored websites like spaceweather.

Either way, watch as the all mighty sunspot 1010 pukes and dies.
I just wonder why they are shoveling the shit farther and harder on
the GREAT SOLAR CYCLE 24. What do you suppose is the point?
ooo. global warming. Somehow, it'll all come back to that because the
Who better to "back up the liars" than data that is fixed and confused?
Watch your back.
something is up because you know that they are "PUSHING ALL ALARM BUTTONS" AND SENDING OUT PROPEGANDA like crazy on this "WHAT IF"
2012 stuff. and our government don't do that. They are secretive and they
lie and hold cards very close to their chests. So you know if they are
running around telling stories, that SOMETHING IS DEFINETLY UP!
So, watch your backs. That's all I can say.....
Global Warming people INCLUDING the reknown Farmers Almanac "scientists"
have all been WRONG. This is not a mild winter. This is not El Nino or El Nina
effects. Everyone is FREEZING. And if you are lucky to be situated on this
planet where warm winds blow, you are so very lucky.
This winter is a SHOW AND TELL for all the BIG HEADED Global Warming
Pacifists. So, now their "data" has to have new meaning.

ps, check out my avitar. This IS A SOLAR TORNADO.
they have been around with solar storms for ions.
Now,and suddenly, it's gonna get ya....

be very afraid....

Jan 10th, 2009, 5:50 AM
Wow, check out the real-time water vapor image from Goes west
This is gonna be a doozy of a storm system!
too bad I can't upload the still shot of the cells merging..

Check out this realtime image COR1 BEHIND.
What's the orb next to the sun? A planet? how come there is
no light coming from it?

Jan 10th, 2009, 3:17 PM
Here is something you dont hear about everyday.
IT IS an event as rare as it is spectacular - but yesterday, after a week of sub-zero conditions, the sea around Britain began to freeze.
Almost the ice age then!

That article say a lot about climate change,

after our snow storm, of course it is freezing here, brrrrrr....... at least there is no wind, the wood stove is non stop guys.


I tough i posted an article here about Alaska, but i dont see it, i think it was coming from msnbc. but i am not sure,it was about Alaska being very cold, of course colder then it had been before.

I found it
Even for Alaskans, this winter's a cold one
Cross country ski event disrupted; some areas see 60 below for days



Jan 10th, 2009, 3:50 PM
I read today,
The Coldest Weather Possible In Nearly 15 Years

Bitterly cold air bottled up over the depths of the Arctic will plunge southward next week, gripping the eastern two-thirds of the nation.

The frigid air will likely arrive in two waves. The first shot will blast the Midwest and Northeast early next week. The second, which will prove to be the harshest, will encompass virtually all places east of the Rockies by next weekend.

Expert Senior Meteorologist Elliot Abrams reports, "Joe Bastardi has been talking about a daytime temperature below zero in Chicago and a nighttime low near 0 in New York City... and if one of these Arctic highs makes the plunge south and east, those ideas will turn out right."

Blustery winds will usher in the arctic air, resulting in even colder and potentially dangerous

Jan 10th, 2009, 3:53 PM
Krakatoa, is this the article:

Life At Negative 78 Degrees In Alaska
Right now it's cold in Alaska. Really cold. In the town of Tok, it was 78 degrees below zero yesterday.

Glacial Ridge
Jan 10th, 2009, 7:57 PM
I know, I know, it's cold outside. Colder this year, with an exceptionally cold December. Snow, and quite a bit of it.

The hype on the sun spot cycle, well I think that they would be remiss if they didn't warn us of the "what ifs," in the event that the sun wakes out of its current lull.

Jan 10th, 2009, 9:32 PM
The snow keeps coming many will probably think this is the new ice age.
Ohio ten inches of snow and 4/10 inches in Massachusetts yeah its lingering alright!
Chicago another victim its cold over night where i am and having to keep the heat on but badly insulated homes,so i dont know about the cost.

Glacial Ridge
Jan 10th, 2009, 10:54 PM
More information on sun spot cycles! I do believe that our scientists are having a hard time trying to figure out this latest sun spot cycle.

For how long will the current grand maximum of solar activity persist?

Understanding the Sun's magnetic activity is important because of its impact on the Earth's environment. The sunspot record since 1610 shows irregular 11-year cycles of activity; they are modulated on longer timescales and were interrupted by the Maunder minimum in the 17th century. Future behavior cannot easily be predicted – even in the short-term. Recent activity has been abnormally high for at least 8 cycles: is this grand maximum likely to terminate soon or even to be followed by another (Maunder-like) grand minimum? To answer these questions we use, as a measure of the Sun's open magnetic field, a composite record of the solar modulation function Φ, reconstructed principally from the proxy record of cosmogenic 10Be abundances in the GRIP icecore from Greenland. This Φ record extends back for almost 10,000 years, showing many grand maxima and grand minima (defined as intervals when Φ is within the top or bottom 20% of a Gaussian distribution). We carry out a statistical analysis of this record and calculate the life expectancy of the current grand maximum. We find that it is only expected to last for a further 15–36 years, with the more reliable methods yielding shorter expectancies, and we therefore predict a decline in solar activity within the next two or three cycles. We are not able, however, to predict the level of the ensuing minimum


Jan 11th, 2009, 5:47 AM
This just in from the "hottie" John Seach.
<this is one hot man in a tool belt> and he
climbs in and out of volcano's for gods sakes...
whadda man!
(oops, was that out loud?)

Saturday 10th January 2009
Yellowstone Volcano, USA
The continuing earthquake swarm under Yellowstone volcano has migrated NNE. In the past 24 hours there have been 7 earthquakes larger than magnitude 2.5, centered at a location 14 km NNE of Yellowstone lake. The largest earthquake had a magnitude of 3.3. There have been about 900 earthquakes at the volcano since December 26th. This is the largest earthquake swarm in 20 years at Yellowstone. There are no other signs of unrest at the volcano.

Are you getting ready for the "freeze on"?
If you think that this is cold, wait until next week!

Here is an explination of why it's getting so damn cold..

Jan 11th, 2009, 2:33 PM

Excerpt below from article in link, there are 2 more pages to read.

The earth is now on the brink of entering another Ice Age, according to a large and compelling body of evidence from within the field of climate science. Many sources of data which provide our knowledge base of long-term climate change indicate that the warm, twelve thousand year-long Holocene period will rather soon be coming to an end, and then the earth will return to Ice Age conditions for the next 100,000 years.

Ice cores, ocean sediment cores, the geologic record, and studies of ancient plant and animal populations all demonstrate a regular cyclic pattern of Ice Age glacial maximums which each last about 100,000 years, separated by intervening warm interglacials, each lasting about 12,000 years.

Most of the long-term climate data collected from various sources also shows a strong correlation with the three astronomical cycles which are together known as the Milankovich cycles. The three Milankovich cycles include the tilt of the earth, which varies over a 41,000 year period; the shape of the earth’s orbit, which changes over a period of 100,000 years; and the Precession of the Equinoxes, also known as the earth’s ‘wobble’, which gradually rotates the direction of the earth’s axis over a period of 26,000 years. According to the Milankovich theory of Ice Age causation, these three astronomical cycles, each of which effects the amount of solar radiation which reaches the earth, act together to produce the cycle of cold Ice Age maximums and warm interglacials.

Elements of the astronomical theory of Ice Age causation were first presented by the French mathematician Joseph Adhemar in 1842, it was developed further by the English prodigy Joseph Croll in 1875, and the theory was established in its present form by the Czech mathematician Milutin Milankovich in the 1920s and 30s. In 1976 the prestigious journal “Science” published a landmark paper by John Imbrie, James Hays, and Nicholas Shackleton entitled “Variations in the Earth's orbit: Pacemaker of the Ice Ages,” which described the correlation which the trio of scientist/authors had found between the climate data obtained from ocean sediment cores and the patterns of the astronomical Milankovich cycles. Since the late 1970s, the Milankovich theory has remained the predominant theory to account for Ice Age causation among climate scientists, and hence the Milankovich theory is always described in textbooks of climatology and in encyclopaedia articles about the Ice Ages.

Jan 11th, 2009, 4:55 PM
Scientists didn't get a "signal" from outer space, they got a ROAR
Mystery roar found in space, confuses astrophysists:

We've been "listening" to outer space for years, I wonder why we hear
these new sounds now? Is it because we are entering a "zone" that is
ANCIENT and VERY HOT? you betcha'

Check this out:
Before president Bush leaves office, he is protecting some of America's
pristine lands...this is the best thing he could have done.. Teddy Roosevelt
would be proud!

You know that heat is escaping from below us. It's getting out at it's
path of least resistance be it underwater thermal vents or volcano's
earthquakes, or cracks in the earth, this heat is getting out.
Thank god. If it didn't we'd probably end up like MARS. That planet looks
like it imploded. No great expulsion happening. Just minor ADJUSTMENTS
in the MANTLE and things get moved around.
Is the timing to these events on earth coinciding with our exact position in the GALACTIC PLANE?
Time will Tell....

Jan 12th, 2009, 11:43 AM
We had windy and wet weather since the early hours of the morning from one kind of weather to the next.
Is this due to something?
Third shark attack in 24 hours prompts panic on Australian beaches,i guess the food sources are running out?

The worlds weather again takes a turn for the worst 2009 is going to be an eventful year.
Fiji has declared a state of emergency and curfews after severe storms and flooding struck the Pacific island nation, killing eight people and forcing thousands to evacuate homes, officials said today.
Only yesterday a ferry sank in Indonesia due to rogue waves.

Second largest flood this week isnt it?

Jan 12th, 2009, 3:57 PM
Third shark attack in 24 hours prompts panic on Australian beaches,i guess the food sources are running out?

Nope, plenty of surfers in the water for them to snack on.


Jan 12th, 2009, 5:04 PM
Yummy pork!
HIGH waves destroyed at least 27 seaside houses in a southern Vietnamese resort at the weekend and were threatening more than 100 more, emergency service officials said today.
In Ho Chi Minh City, meanwhile, high waves today broke part of a sea dyke, flooding more than 200 households.

Jan 12th, 2009, 5:46 PM
New strain of Flu out. Holy Cow! and it kicks your butt within 24 hrs..
It transfers to animals so be wary of that...

There are NO EARTHQUAKES today. The magnetometer is flatlined and
our little sunspot went to bed <like we didn't see that coming>
I dont like zero earthquakes....You know that reorganization going on 18
miles below your feet?...well, its unusually quiet now and action DOES NOT

We here in the USA are getting our polar cold blast. That sucker is coming
down from Alaska and winding around the usa slapping us up and down the
USA. Windspeeds are crazy as well and ice is "on the loose"
good day to stay in bed, which bodes well with this damn flu..:blush

Want to see how much ice this planet "grew" in the past 3 months.
click this link: I set it up for ya.

Jan 12th, 2009, 6:34 PM
Is this flu down to rapid climate changes?
I see the weather over there how long has it been going on for now?
The flu did not touch me you know the strain of flu we had in the uk,it seemed everyone else was dying except me one lucky son of a bitch i guess.

Glacial Ridge
Jan 12th, 2009, 9:54 PM
Hey Sandstorm...
Did you note page 3 of the article,

"Earth on the Brink of an Ice Age"?

The graph of the Vostok ice core data (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Vostok-ice-core-petit.png) shows that the Ice Age maximums and the warm interglacials occur within a regular cyclic pattern, the graph-line of which is similar to the rhythm of a heartbeat on an electrocardiogram tracing.

Ice cores, ocean sediment cores, the geologic record, and studies of ancient plant and animal populations all demonstrate a regular cyclic pattern of Ice Age glacial maximums which each last about 100,000 years, separated by intervening warm interglacials, each lasting about 12,000 years.

Most of the long-term climate data collected from various sources also shows a strong correlation with the three astronomical cycles which are together known as the Milankovich cycles. The three Milankovich cycles include the tilt of the earth, which varies over a 41,000 year period; the shape of the earth’s orbit, which changes over a period of 100,000 years; and the Precession of the Equinoxes, also known as the earth’s ‘wobble’, which gradually rotates the direction of the earth’s axis over a period of 26,000 years.

Wouldn't this indicate something bigger happening to like say the solar system or heliosphere? I have read that the solar system passing through the spiral arms of the galaxy is when ice ages occur. These passaages have a dampening effect on the suns output and the solar system and earth receive alot of cosmic ray flux which is also correlated from the ice core data. Yet the most recent pictures of our galactic journey that I have seen do not place our solar system within one of the spiral arms but on a trailer in a less dense smaller V shaped area between spiral arms. But there is some activity going on.



Solar system is the first red dot above galactic center. Good article. We are even getting some coordinates. If you zoom on this picture you will get the idea of what I was trying to say.

Related article

Jan 13th, 2009, 2:50 AM
We had windy and wet weather since the early hours of the morning from one kind of weather to the next.
Is this due to something?

look no further than the Atlantic jet stream

if you want to know the coming weather in the UK for the next 7 days, ALWAYS look here first!


for example, look at Sunday 18th. If that's not going to give us a warm wet and windy mix I will eat my hat! Surf will be good in Cornwall too!

Glacial Ridge
Jan 13th, 2009, 6:45 AM
As always Alpha thanks for the links and info!

The Harvard article above tells us that our galaxy is spinning at 600,000 mile per hour which 100,000 miles per hour than previously thought.

What we don't see from the above newly designed picture of our galaxy is depth or thickness. Doesn't show all the interstellar matter and clouds.

What I like about these pictures below is that they are panarama and zoomable. Check the second link for these properties.


Clickable panaramas of the galactic plane?

Because the pictures are zoomable, when you are on the above page, click the area of the picture you would like to see first or click on the central region to start. I found the optical pics to be enlightening but it is all pretty cool.

Recently learning about the different magnetic fields and their differing strengths in our galaxy. Found out that some of them are DARK (no dust to see and find them). Oh no! now there are even dark magnetic fields. Some of the magnetic fields are very strong and organized and some are unorganized (left over magnetic fields from explosions)

Enjoy the trip.

Cold and Snow and cold and snow yuk!

Glacial Ridge
Jan 13th, 2009, 7:08 AM
One more thing before I loose my train of thought about this.

They have also found many smaller galaxies that are being cannabilized by our Milky Way. Notice how they intersect the galactic plane.


These intersecting smaller galaxies are also creating changes in energy and magnetic fields as their stars and matter are being stripped. It would also demonstrate expansion. How about some space tornados in this mess.
Good article below.

Dominating the Field of Streams image is the enormous, arching stream of the Sagittarius dwarf galaxy. The Sagittarius dwarf was discovered more than a decade ago and other researchers have previously mapped its long tidal stream in other regions of the sky.
But the new SDSS-II data had a remarkable surprise in store.
"The stream appears forked," said Belokurov. "We are seeing different wraps superimposed on the sky, as the stream goes around the galaxy two or three times."
Because of the multiple wraps, the observations provide strong new constraints on the dark matter halo of the Milky Way, according to Mike Fellhauer of Cambridge University. "The leading theories of dark matter predict that the Galaxy's halo should be flattened, like a rugby football. But our simulations only match the forked Sagittarius stream if the inner halo is round, like a soccer ball."
In addition to the Sagittarius arches, the Field shows faint trails of stars torn from globular clusters, and other rings, trails, and lumps that appear to be the remains of disrupted dwarf galaxies. "There are more streams here than in a river delta," commented Zucker.

We know that the Heliosphere is bullet shaped compressed on the leading edge by the Interstellar forces acting upon it.
Could it be possible, during the times that we actually pass through a spiral arm, that the Heliosphere becomes so compressed as to make the heliosphere elliptical as well as our other planets orbits like earths orbit???

Jan 13th, 2009, 10:10 AM
Good work Glacial!!
It is amazing how much information is "out there" and yet, it get's "suppressed"
somehow..I absolutely 100% believe that as we move closer to the galactic
center, we are entering a zone that is very dangerous to not only this planet
but the rest. Incidently, there will be a news conf on Jan 15 from Nasa about
how MARS atmosphere is changing. Planetary Warming has been going on since
Pluto gained an atmosphere a few years ago and then subsiquently dropped from the planetary guides...oh well.

Hot spots and Cold zones. That is exactly how our planet zooms through
the universe, bumping up and down, in and out on it's orbit along with the
other planets...this article just in: from website:
NEWSBUSTERS — As Democrats and their president-elect -- with invaluable assistance from their media minions -- continue spreading climate hysteria in order to raise taxes and redistribute wealth, a possibly inconvenient truth has just been presented to the international community.....


Did you know that: Of the greenhouse gases, water vapor represents about 95% of the total. This is usually ignored for unexplained reasons. This also presents a major problem for the AGW people. If water vapor is 95% of the total greenhouse gas inventory, why isn't it involved in the global warming hypothesis?e. It occurs in many forms from water vapor, rain, snow, and clouds. These all involve changes of state, transfers of huge amounts of energy, great reflectivity of huge sums of solar energy from the white tops of clouds. Why is this ignored? Does it make sense to ignore 95% of the greenhouse gases? hmmmmmm I wonder....

Article of truth here:

so, you have putin, who knows that the ice age cometh. Yeah, he also knows
that if you want people to "obey" you, you must show your strength
by keeping people freezing, they will tend to obey you....
and the "energy wars" have not even begun yet..
or is this day one?

Jan 13th, 2009, 12:10 PM
Found this!
Met Office mystery over rare ice circle formed in Devon

Jan 13th, 2009, 1:05 PM
Now the temps is about 32 F 0 Celcius

tonight -22 C -10F

Tomorrow night -30 Celcius -20F

beginning tonight we will have 72 hours of deep cold days and nights.

The difference of temps will make squalls and high wind

This is what is happening now, here in my place:ohmy::ohmy::ohmy:


Jan 13th, 2009, 3:14 PM
Cold over there hot in oz and now with raging bushfires.

More on oz more extreme weather.
SYDNEY is facing the threat of a major bushfire season, with extreme temperatures tipped to reach up to 40C tomorrow.

Glacial Ridge
Jan 13th, 2009, 6:23 PM
Here is a quote from the article that Proto posted earlier today.

These climatic warming and cooling processes are natural, not man-made, and most likely involve variations in the Sun’s energy and magnetic variations.

4. If one is to believe that man-made CO2 is a major source of global warming, he is also obligated to show why the sun is NOT involved with the warming cycles, (this is not limited to considerations of solar irradiance, but to the additional solar forces such as solar winds, solar magnetic fields, and sunspots). These forces in turn can impact the cosmic radiation flow entering the atmosphere as well, with climatic effects likely.

5. The ice caps are also receding on Mars and other “uninhabited” planetary objects in our solar system, indicating warming there as well. The current warming trends on Mars, Jupiter, Neptune, Neptune's moon Triton, and Pluto may result, in part, from similar relations to the sun and its activity – just like those that are naturally and slowly warming the Earth.

I don't think all the global warming buzz of the last 20 years is without merit. We almost lost the north pole ice cap. Man o Man. All that melting ice and warming oceans, all that evaporation.
We need to realize why the sunspot cycle blasted us for almost 8 cycles in a row. Why did it do this. I keep looking for a bigger picture, the one on the celestial scale.
Why do we think that the sun won't wake up and do it again if we don't understand why it did it to us in the first place?

Recent activity has been abnormally high for at least 8 cycles: is this grand maximum likely to terminate soon or even to be followed by another (Maunder-like) grand minimum? To answer these questions we use, as a measure of the Sun's open magnetic field, a composite record of the solar modulation function Φ, reconstructed principally from the proxy record of cosmogenic 10Be abundances in the GRIP icecore from Greenland. This Φ record extends back for almost 10,000 years, showing many grand maxima and grand minima (defined as intervals when Φ is within the top or bottom 20% of a Gaussian distribution).

Take a closer look at this and note! Sunspot cycle stayed UP, for what looks like a 200 year period on more than one occasion. (every marker is 200years between 1000year markers)

What happens in the Interstellar regions that cause these changes in our suns cycle? ok I give up now

Glacial Ridge
Jan 13th, 2009, 7:40 PM
Why is there so much rain, snow and flooding. Sun is sleeping and not sweeping out the Galactic Cosmic Rays (GCR) GCR are coming in through that south Atlantic Anomaly our hole in our magnetic field, while our sun takes its nap and doesn't blast them out of the solar system. GCR's are cloud condensating nuclei CCN. So whats bringing down all that WATER VAPOR, thats blocking the little sunlight we are getting?

The earth's magnetic field impacts climate: Danish study
"Our results show a strong correlation between the strength of the earth's magnetic field and the amount of precipitation in the tropics," one of the two Danish geophysicists behind the study, Mads Faurschou Knudsen of the geology department at Aarhus University in western Denmark, told the Videnskab journal...

"If changes in the magnetic field, which occur independently of the earth's climate, can be linked to changes in precipitation, then it can only be explained through the magnetic field's blocking of the cosmetic rays," he said.

Here orange colors equal watervapor.

http://www.nrlmry.navy.mil/data_htdocs_dyn/sat_pages/thumbs/global/stitched/vapor/50_20090113.2100.multisat.wv.stitched.Global.x.jpg (http://www.nrlmry.navy.mil/sat-bin/display10.cgi?SIZE=full&PHOT=yes&AREA=global/stitched&PROD=vapor&TYPE=ssmi&NAV=global&DISPLAY=Prev&ARCHIVE=Latest&CGI=global.cgi&CURRENT=20090113.2100.multisat.wv.stitched.Global. x.jpg&MOSAIC_SCALE=15)
http://www.nrlmry.navy.mil/sat-bin/display10.cgi?AREA=global/stitched&PROD=vapor&TYPE=ssmi&CURRENT=20090113.2100.multisat.wv.stitched.Global. x.jpg&ACTION=Latest_Photos&DISPLAY=Prev&&DISPLAY=Latest&PHOT=yes&NAV=global&CGI=global.cgi&MOSAIC_SCALE=15

Jan 13th, 2009, 9:23 PM
hey guys, I swung in to grab some older data and graphs for a study and
I have to tell you that WE ROCK. OMG. The information that we have
amassed, ALL OF US- is really astounding. I was rivited. We ALL came together
here and researched the hell out of daily disturbances and norms...
honestly, we are a phenominal team! heh.
This is awesome. Thank You!!!

Ryan, awesome find tonight.
Ya remember a couple of years ago you posted pics of another phenom
of that sort. We found that particular instance was created by a rotating
satellite that left a frozen "imprint" in the mud/snow.....This Eddy was an
equally awesome find I hope we get some hard evidence soon...

Glacial Ridge
Jan 14th, 2009, 7:02 AM
IRIS popped 9 this morning. 2 in S. America

What's up with Chaiten? A commentary below.

11 Jan 09 – (Excerpts) “The rate of dome growth remains extremely high — the immense pile enlarges visibly from week to week. If this trend continues, the dome will be soon spalling hot avalanches outside the buried caldera and into the valley that leads toward Chaitén town.

Here’s a photo of the Chaiten Volcano taken on 9 Jan 09:
http://attachments.climatepatrol.com/6a/C1_00020_409355.jpg (http://attachments.climatepatrol.com/6a/C1_00020_409355.jpg)
“As the months of this unprecedented pileup pass, I get an uneasy feeling that the outcome of this process will not be a new mountain, thousands of feet higher than the old caldera rim, but a new caldera of much greater size. The mass of dome material must now amount to many cubic kilometers, and who knows how much more might emerge in a caldera-forming blowout. We could be talking of a Tambora sized event — or worse.

Brrr two pair of longjohns for today. brrrrr

Glacial Ridge
Jan 15th, 2009, 12:11 PM
Got a 7.7 mag earthquake east of the Kuril Islands. At this time not shown on IRIS. Got this from USGS.

IRIS is rocking though. Wonder how it missed this???

Jan 15th, 2009, 2:49 PM
Russia issues tsunami warning after earlier quake...