Teaching about "gay parents" in school.

[Assassin X]

Man I feel like I am the "touchy subject" guy. As in "@#$%@" not as in "BooHoo".

Ok, I don't really have a problem with gays. You wanna get married, whatever. You want to do it, sure, not in front of me though. :-P But yesterday I got an email regarding a "controversial" thing going on about gays in schools. Now this is NOT MY OPINION. I just wanted to know what you all thought about it.


School with Questionable "Family Values":

Families with children at the Interdistrict Downtown School in Minneapolis are learning firsthand how homosexual activism in public schools seeks to undermine parental authority. The Star Tribune reports that as a part of the "Families All Matter" diversity curriculum at the school, second-grade teacher Peter Sage read to his class Asha's Mums, a book about a girl with two moms. Gena Bounds, whose 7-year-old daughter Darriell was in the class, said Sage "told [the class] that he's gay and that he and his partner are adopting a child, and the child will have two dads.

Now Darriell thinks the school is telling her she needs to believe that two daddies or two mommies is the same thing as a mom and a dad." The teacher also implied to the children that those who do not share his views on the family were bigots just like Sage's racist grandfather.

When parents complained to the principal, they were told that their children could not be reassigned, and should consider enrolling their kids in a private school. Unfortunately, this case in Minnesota shows the all-too-common tactic used by homosexual activists to go around parents by indoctrinating children through the public schools.

What do you think?

I kinda don't mind if they tell kids this but at the same time I think it would be better for each parent to do it at their own rate because not all kids are going to understand this. Ok, maybe its a bad idea. I can see some people would probably bu pissed when their kids came home asking asout gay parents. Its the same as with that whole "Sex Ed" thing.

Another thing is I never like that they tell kids its the same as a "mom and a dad". Technicaly a kid growing up with two moms or dads will not have the same experience as with a mom and a dad. So by saying "Its the same" is not true. Really they mean no harm but they are giving young kids the wrong idea that little johnny is gonna grow up knowing what it was like with a mommy and a daddy and that just isn't true.

Lastly the teacher should be fired. While I may have no problems with gays I won't put up with someone telling kids that anyone that thinks otherwise of them is a biggot. For one these are children and shes out of line whether or not shes right or wrong.

So as I said whats your opinion?

[Philosopher Foelhe]

Another thing is I never like that they tell kids its the same as a "mom and a dad". Technicaly a kid growing up with two moms or dads will not have the same experience as with a mom and a dad. So by saying "Its the same" is not true.

Two kids with two sets of parents - a mom and a dad - are probably both going to have very different experiences from one another while growing up. No family is the same, really. If there's some major difference between the two types of parenting, maybe that should be brought up, but I can't really think of one. Besides the obvious, I mean.


While I may have no problems with gays I won't put up with someone telling kids that anyone that thinks otherwise of them is a biggot.

Well... this is sort've putting the cart before the horse. The article says that the teacher "implied" those who don't accept homosexuality are bigots. Given the source, I'm not sure what that means. The teacher could've merely said something along the lines of, "Yes, some people think being gay is wrong, but some people also used to think black people were evil." You could say that was implying bigotry (since racists are bigots, and you're comparing the two ideologies), but I don't see much wrong with the comparison. As it is, I'd want to know more about how the teacher implied this.

The only problem I have with this depends on how this conversation came up in the first place. If the teacher was just making conversation with his class, I don't see any of this as a problem. If the teacher prepared this as a rant, I think he overstepped his boundaries. Understandable sentiment, but this probably wasn't the place for such a lesson.

[Sir_Lipton]

SURE! you have no problem with gays, thats wath all say untill they are confronted.
Wath if your son would turn out gay? And why do you say that its okay as long as they arent gay infront of me? If you have no opinion wathsoever you wouldnt care?

But you get disgusted, why? cause you dont mind them at all?

[lycanox]

I Don't think its a good idea to raise kids by dads or moms alone. Each of them learn the kid valuable lessons about life the other cant. But if the kids can learn this stuff elsewhere, i don't see any problem.
I don't think learning about these families at school is an good idea. It gives them a bit of an "their different" idea.


SURE! you have no problem with gays, that's what all say until they are confronted.
What if your son would turn out gay? And why do you say that its okay as long as they aren't gay in front of me? If you have no opinion whatsoever you wouldn't care?

But you get disgusted, why? cause you don't mind them at all?
I get disgusted by seeing people intensely kiss and touch each other because its not something to do in public. Several kisses are OK, but for the wild drives, please get an room. I think of this in general, and not just for gays and such.
Its true that i get disgusted if a gay asks me out, but i get the same feeling if she is an ugly slutty girl. So no special bad feelings for gays here.
And If one of my friends turns out gay, i wont treat them different as before. Most gays are actually nice people who care about the world and tend to live their lives just like stray people.

[Sir_Lipton]

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Its true that i get disgusted if a gay asks me out, but i get the same feeling if she is an ugly slutty girl. So no special bad feelings for gays here.
And If one of my friends turns out gay, i wont treat them different as before. No you dont get disguisted, you get flatterd deep inside. Im sure you wouldnt abandon your friend but could you shower with him?

And notice how you say

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Most gays are actually nice people who care about the world and tend to live their lives just like stray people.
Gays are pretty nice and they are almost like straight people. Think wath you just wrote, read it carefully and analyze it...

To me it sounds like a person that have no experience with gay people. Someone that never known any, and think that most of them are like straight people right?

Evereyone says this, Its todays media that teach us about tolerance. I agree tolerance is very important. But people forget that tolerance is about tolerate and live with it. Its not about loving it and accepting it. You can be tolerate to gays mind your own buisness, but if one of your friends would get gay and drunk and kiss you. 1 you will punch him for being a homosexuall. 2. you would kiss him back.

and "actually" good people? Not just good people? You seem confused.
If 1 is correct then no, you do mind gays.

[lycanox]

Actually i do know some lesbian girls. And they indeed act exactly like normal people, The only difference is that they like their own sex.

And lets assume she is an he,

I simply wouldn't shower with him because it would be the same as showering with a straight girl, An act of sexuality. And if he gets drunk and kisses me, I would indeed punch back because its sexual harassment, Plain and simple.

I agree with you that being tolerant is all about tolerate and live with. But so far i haven't seen any reason to have a grudge against them. Its the same as having an grudge against people who like Italian food or cars. Or girls because some of them are ugly.

And how can punching someone for being homosexual be not minding gays.

[Assassin X]

Yeah, I don't know gay people. I am just your typical dumb american. Thats why I am here. Oh and lets not forget the fact I have two gay married friends that are such good trusting friends I watched their house for 3 weeks and got home last week. But yeah, I don't know gays. I just pretend to.

Its like anything else. If a christian pushed christianity on you, you wouldn't like it. But you can be perfectly fine and happy with christians as long as they aren't over pushy about it. Same goes for any person and whatever their subject is, that includes gays. I just think when someone even hints at they don't like the way a gay did something people get bent out of shape because "gays have it hard". Not that they don't but people don't like it.

Back on topic. I am suprised there isn't some sort of "gay" thing taught in school seeing as how its the norm now when it comes to growing up and liking someone else. But I guess that would cause to much controversy.

[borderline]

No you dont get disguisted, you get flatterd deep inside. Im sure you wouldnt abandon your friend but could you shower with him?

And notice how you say

Gays are pretty nice and they are almost like straight people. Think wath you just wrote, read it carefully and analyze it...

To me it sounds like a person that have no experience with gay people. Someone that never known any, and think that most of them are like straight people right?

Evereyone says this, Its todays media that teach us about tolerance. I agree tolerance is very important. But people forget that tolerance is about tolerate and live with it. Its not about loving it and accepting it. You can be tolerate to gays mind your own buisness, but if one of your friends would get gay and drunk and kiss you. 1 you will punch him for being a homosexuall. 2. you would kiss him back.

and "actually" good people? Not just good people? You seem confused.
If 1 is correct then no, you do mind gays.


Confused??? Lets see...hmmm ...Quote... * I agree tolerance is vary important...

Unless your a Jew, right?

[Sir_Lipton]

Confused??? Lets see...hmmm ...Quote... * I agree tolerance is vary important...

Unless your a Jew, right?
You dont fool me kike, go to the religion section and answer my post about your religion the big band creation thread, and dotn talk about me of morality.

[borderline]

You dont fool me kike, go to the religion section and answer my post about your religion the big band creation thread, and dotn talk about me of morality.



Big Band Creation.....was that like something from the 40s?

albeit I do like Sinatra.

[liberdave]

I write to fast i appologize... Now take your Talmud, put on your kike-hat and go to the Religion Section. se the creation and big Bang and lets discuss jewish religion, i know it all, i know all about you people, i know your families, Rottschild, Bonniers, Grossberg... so you better prerpere=)


Good bye, Sir_Lipton. Your stay here was short and bitter. I hope a Jewish doctor is the one you get when you need emergency surgery.

[borderline]

I write to fast i appologize... Now take your Talmud, put on your kike-hat and go to the Religion Section. se the creation and big Bang and lets discuss jewish religion, i know it all, i know all about you people, i know your families, Rottschild, Bonniers, Grossberg... so you better prerpere=)


laughs on you bud....I'm not really a Jew.

Had to bait your ignorance....didn't take long did it.

[Doomer]

Divorce is devastating for kids. As the twig is bent, so shall grow the tree.

[Cartesiantheater]

Confused??? Lets see...hmmm ...Quote... * I agree tolerance is vary important...

Unless your a Jew, right?
BUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1


Way to go! Point out that hypocrisy!

[Smoke]

thank god that peice of trash is gone..... man tht post he put about jews was brutal... im suprised he wasent banned sooner.

[Demonskates]

thank god that peice of trash is gone..... man tht post he put about jews was brutal... im suprised he wasent banned sooner.
Sir Lipton is gone?not to soon.His ass is mine in hell.

[Smoke]

read the post in i think off topic that liberdave closed that was the worst ting ive read in a while.

[Assassin X]

:wonders who Sir Lipton was:
:thinks he had issues:

[borderline]

Sir Lippy had the brains of a goat...

But it still amazes me that upright troglodytes can squat down and shit.

[uki]

Man I feel like I am the "touchy subject" guy. As in "@#$%@" not as in "BooHoo".

Ok, I don't really have a problem with gays. You wanna get married, whatever. You want to do it, sure, not in front of me though. :-P But yesterday I got an email regarding a "controversial" thing going on about gays in schools. Now this is NOT MY OPINION. I just wanted to know what you all thought about it.



What do you think?

I kinda don't mind if they tell kids this but at the same time I think it would be better for each parent to do it at their own rate because not all kids are going to understand this. Ok, maybe its a bad idea. I can see some people would probably bu pissed when their kids came home asking asout gay parents. Its the same as with that whole "Sex Ed" thing.

Another thing is I never like that they tell kids its the same as a "mom and a dad". Technicaly a kid growing up with two moms or dads will not have the same experience as with a mom and a dad. So by saying "Its the same" is not true. Really they mean no harm but they are giving young kids the wrong idea that little johnny is gonna grow up knowing what it was like with a mommy and a daddy and that just isn't true.

Lastly the teacher should be fired. While I may have no problems with gays I won't put up with someone telling kids that anyone that thinks otherwise of them is a biggot. For one these are children and shes out of line whether or not shes right or wrong.

So as I said whats your opinion?personally children shouldn't go to school... it's become more of a babysitter than an education... and if they had to teach about gay's in school; well they all have what is coming to them... being gay and maintaining it leads to ultimate destruction(much like any other form of betrayal). those whom are gay are devoid of understanding, self-esteem, and self-confidence.

[Sammy56]

those whom are gay are devoid of understanding, self-esteem, and self-confidence. If only because people like you tell them they are evil, immoral, and going against God.

[uki]

If only because people like you tell them they are evil, immoral, and going against God.well somebody has to step up to the plate... seems most everyone is too afraid to speak out against this gay revolution; to hell with political correctness, there is nothing to glorify in being gay... i hope i offend every gay person who reads this... perhaps the truth will smack them like a brick and knock them out of their sleep.

[DontBeAfraid]

Why do you care uki? Why is someones personal preferance such a front to you? The only time a gay person has ever irritated me was when a drunk guy refused to respect the fact that I wasnt interested or gay... But I cant complain too much as I pay some women the same respect when Im drunk.

Being gay is not a choice uki. I know that I certainly cant control what gives me an erection. Or maybe you disagree because men give you erections? Maybe you think its a choice because you can choose whether or not you act on YOUR erection? Well uki Im happy to inform you that you are gay. Guys who get erections from looking at men, guys like you, are gay. Its not your choice. Just like guys who go a big softy when looking at guys, guys like me, are straight... I was born this way uki, it wasnt my choice. The same can be said about you and the rest of the gay community. Dont worry though, most of us wont hold something thats not in your control against you.

[uki]

Why do you care uki?i don't care, assassin x just asked what we thought... am i not allowed to think gays are filth? everyone else can keep beating around the bush; i just hack through it. let them gays go and live as they choose... just don't get all flustered when someone asks my opinion on the subject. so to all the gays on here... go and bang each others brains(and shit) out. :2fu:

[borderline]

In some respects people see a moral judgement call in regards to being Gay on the same line as being derogatory towards a race or religion ( Sir Lipton as a blatant example); they feel the freedom of choice in a democratic society has the priority over morals.

[Philosopher Foelhe]

In some respects people see a moral judgement call in regards to being Gay on the same line as being derogatory towards a race or religion ( Sir Lipton as a blatant example); they feel the freedom of choice in a democratic society has the priority over morals.

I don't think it's a matter of dismissing morality, it's just a matter of defining that morality for society. Morality is often called upon pretty much randomly in a discussion - doesn't matter what side you're arguing, you can always claim that yours is the ethical side.

The only solid societal definition I've seen - the only way to lay down what's moral and what isn't - is to judge based on who is hurt by something. Homosexuality isn't harmful to anyone (except perhaps people who are uncomfortable around gays, which is similar to people being uncomfortable around blacks - thus the comparison), so it's hard to argue its immorality with any real basis.

[borderline]

I don't think it's a matter of dismissing morality, it's just a matter of defining that morality for society. Morality is often called upon pretty much randomly in a discussion - doesn't matter what side you're arguing, you can always claim that yours is the ethical side.

The only solid societal definition I've seen - the only way to lay down what's moral and what isn't - is to judge based on who is hurt by something. Homosexuality isn't harmful to anyone (except perhaps people who are uncomfortable around gays, which is similar to people being uncomfortable around blacks - thus the comparison), so it's hard to argue its immorality with any real basis.


Yup... the tough nut to crack is the "Defining, leastwise with the diverse groups demanding legislation on Gay issues. The high ground is the individual, his or hers "Pursuit of happiness" defined as a Constitutional right without the shackles of a Supreme Court ruling in regards to morality.