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lycanox
Dec 10th, 2006, 11:15 AM
Looks like Chomper knows some neat tricks.
Just imagine. Raptors jumping out of trees on their prey.
So far for an peaceful walk in the forest, back then




Claws were for climbing, not killing

By Richard Gray, Science Correspondent, Sunday Telegraph
Last Updated: 1:14am GMT 10/12/2006

In the Jurassic Park films, the velociraptor was a terrifying hunter that slashed open its victims with a giant, razor-sharp claw. The latest research has shown, however, that the dinosaur's formidable claw was, in fact, a prehistoric climbing crampon, which could also have represented a significant stage in the evolution of flight.

In an attempt to test theories that the animals disembowelled their prey, palaeontologists at the Natural History Museum in London and at Manchester University conducted simulations of a raptor attack using a replica claw on the end of a robotic arm and computer models.

Their findings have forced a complete revision of beliefs about how the pack-hunting carnivores attacked. They now think the hunters clambered up the flanks of large herbivores before clamping their jaws around their victims' throats.
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The researchers also claim smaller relatives of the dromaeosaurid family, which includes the velociraptor, may have used their claws to climb trees and leap down on to their prey.

A second paper to be published next year by the scientists will suggest that this was the first step towards the evolution of flight.

"The claw is a climbing tool," said Paul Barrett, a palaeontologist at the Natural History Museum. "The claw doesn't have a sharp edge that allows it to slash. It is strongly curved, so when you try to puncture something with the claw it rotates into the animal, but not to any depth.

"It gives a strong clinging action, which is where the idea that they can be used to climb up the side of prey came from."

In Jurassic Park, Sam Neill terrifies a child with a description of how the velociraptor disembowelled its prey before devouring it.

The theory was based on early fossils that suggested the dinosaurs could leap up and slash downwards with their enlarged claw.

When the researchers tried to slash a pork belly with their robotic claw, however, they found it could not cut into the flesh. Instead they found the highly curved claw was better at piercing and hooking into flesh.

In another test, on crocodile flesh, the tip of the claw broke off on the armoured skin. Later computer simulations of the dinosaur's hind leg motion found it was better suited to climbing.

Phil Manning, from Manchester University, said: "That these dinosaurs were climbers is extremely important in terms of flight."

Mr Barrett added: "Some of the smaller relatives might have climbed trees, before jumping or gliding down. These animals are quite close to the origins of birds and may be linked to the origin of bird flight."

Source ( The Sunday Telegraph.) (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/12/10/nvelo10.xml)

uki
Dec 10th, 2006, 11:31 AM
i don't know what would be worse... having your entrails ripped out or being jumped onto by a couple hundred pound carnivore. i suppose both would suck in the end.

The Space Pope
Dec 10th, 2006, 1:40 PM
This is interesting, but doesn't this thread belong in the science forum, not social studies?

lycanox
Dec 10th, 2006, 2:38 PM
The "why are they extinct" threat was placed here as well, so i guessed this should go to history too.

Cartesiantheater
Dec 11th, 2006, 9:50 AM
Well... that would explain why I found Chomper inside of a sun flower as a baby... perhaps he was practicing his instinct to climb?


hehe...

But seriously, this theory and the evidence to support it are VERY important IMHO... all I ever heard from creationists is "how did wings evolve step by step if their purpose is flight?"

Now we have some compelling evidence to an intermediate in the evolution of wings and flight. Raptor evolves feathers and stretches of skin... becomes more efficient at living in trees... then slowly developes full wings and takes off... as a bird... never compromises his fitness along the way... I sure hope this theory withstands detailed scrutiny from the scientific community...

db99
Dec 11th, 2006, 12:12 PM
have you found chomper yet or is he still missing?

lycanox
Dec 11th, 2006, 4:21 PM
He had an job as an waiter at an chinese restaurant, But he got fired for eating the customers. That's the last i heard from him.

Assassin X
Dec 11th, 2006, 5:08 PM
lol. Raptors climbing trees. That would be funny as hell to see when they attack.

:pictures it now:....

http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/3314/raptorc1hw7.jpg

http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/6135/raptorc2dj0.jpg

http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/3157/raptorc3jh7.jpg

NEXT PART BELOW....

Assassin X
Dec 11th, 2006, 5:08 PM
http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/9213/raptorc4fn9.jpg

http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/9575/raptorc5ji2.jpg

http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/1372/raptorc6vr8.jpg

LAST PART BELOW.

Assassin X
Dec 11th, 2006, 5:09 PM
http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/5642/raptorc7jc2.jpg

http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/2629/raptorc8sp8.jpg

Smoke
Dec 12th, 2006, 1:24 AM
assason did you make that? it looks like a civilian from half like to me......... lol or is it that game where..... you kill dinosaurs i dont remember the name but its old..

db99
Dec 12th, 2006, 10:30 AM
He had an job as an waiter at an chinese restaurant, But he got fired for eating the customers. That's the last i heard from him.


Poor chomper it must be ever so hard when all you want to do is eat the customers... I hope he gets a new job soon!

Assassin X
Dec 12th, 2006, 1:26 PM
Yeah its from Half Life 2. I used the new game/mod called "GMOD". So much fun making scenes!

lycanox
Dec 12th, 2006, 2:19 PM
lol. Raptors climbing trees. That would be funny as hell to see when they attack.

:pictures it now:....


Well, he wont be laughing anymore.

Great job.

Assassin X
Dec 12th, 2006, 8:25 PM
Seriously though, if Raptors really were "smart" like people think maybe they could climb trees, maybe not perfectly but maybe the seen the first "thick" branch and thought to jump to it or "climb" to it and perch on it for a few minutes when prey came by.

Raptor Witness
Jan 7th, 2007, 9:55 PM
Maybe they climbed the Brontosaurus' body and necks and ate them? Why climb trees and pounce if you're smart enough to chase and hunt? I'm very disappointed that they are degrading a fascinating and fearsome predator to the realm of a squirrel-like tiger.

darlingnikki
Jan 7th, 2007, 9:58 PM
THat was the funniest pictorial ever!!!!! Excellent Assasin X! Thanks for the funnies!

lycanox
Jan 8th, 2007, 3:08 AM
Maybe they climbed the Brontosaurus' body and necks and ate them? Why climb trees and pounce if you're smart enough to chase and hunt? I'm very disappointed that they are degrading a fascinating and fearsome predator to the realm of a squirrel-like tiger.

He probaly did both. And i wouldn't want an Squirrel tiger in my garden.

Fut004
Jan 9th, 2007, 9:56 AM
Great Cartoon AssassinX! Glad I decided to check this thread out.


I watched alot of Discovery channel when I was unemployed. I saw a show where they said that the Jurassic Park Raptor was completely wrong. The show had the Raptor as about half the size and completely covered in feathers. It still hunted in pacts and such though.

CT's explination on how they would have evolved the feathers and such then wings sounds pretty likely if you picture it all.
First they get the "Skin Flaps" (like a flying squirrel) and this enables them to "jump "(glide) further distances to reach prey... Slowly over time, they turn into wings.

lazserus
Apr 27th, 2008, 11:00 PM
Recent studies have said the claws were for stabbing and not slashing. Regardless, the raptor size puts the beefy questions to rest. Raptors were very small dinosaurs, no more than a meter tall. The largest they got was the size of a turkey.