Fate

[Sgt Shaw]

Do you believe in fate? Almost as if, our lives have a path we must walk down, and no matter what happens, this purpose will be fulfilled?
In my opinion, I don't believe in it, as I like to think I have complete control of my life, and I can do what I want, rather than having to do something as it is my destiny.
What do you guys think?

[TC]

Good question.

Perhaps the old adage that we all have a role to play is based on the concept of fate, and maybe all the prophetic literature that has come down through the ages points to some kind of destiny. Personally I think nothing is by chance, we interact with each other in the small details of life that can eventually lead to huge consequences later on, for both good and bad.

[lycanox]

Your fate is embedded with those around you.

[Sgt Shaw]

Your fate is embedded with those around you.

What do you mean? I dont understand

[loganosborne]

Do you believe in fate? Almost as if, our lives have a path we must walk down, and no matter what happens, this purpose will be fulfilled?
In my opinion, I don't believe in it, as I like to think I have complete control of my life, and I can do what I want, rather than having to do something as it is my destiny.
What do you guys think?
Great idea for a thread. Some part of me does and some part doesn't. Sometimes I feel I have complete control over my life but at other times I feel it was my destiny to do something.

[lycanox]

What do you mean? I don't understand

Just something raptorwitnes said once.

It basically means your fate is controlled by the actions and decisions of others.

[Apollo]

I believe that fate generally describes how we feel when something feels right; a fulfillment of an expectation.

[Sgt Shaw]

However.. you could always say no? For example.. your fate could be say, that you were to marry a women, but at the alter you could say no, and not marry her. Then you are taking control over the fate?

[Raptor Witness]

I used to believe that I had complete control of my life. Then I started to look at the numbers. When the odds of nature bend like the wind or shake beneath your feet, you know something is up, or going down.

I really like your avatar. Secret knowledge?

[Perfectionist]

The only reason we make decisions is because of electrical impulses in the synapses of our brains ..... what's to say these impulses are not just the consequences of plain old Physics ??

In which case we may all just be going through life controlled by a complex "domino effect" with one thing/decision/outcome following purely from the previous .....

Then again, Quantum Mechanics and String Theory suggests that there could be an infinite number of universe's/dimensions that have every possible outcome played out to the full ..... we just happen to exist in this one .....

[Sgt Shaw]

Yeah, but then what decides these impulses? It must be us that make these decisions, as say, if we see something, like some food, we could choose to eat it. And thats because we can see it and we know its there.

And.. sorry to ruin it Raptor, but its a Metallica star :D

[jinxz]

It seems to me like this thread belongs more in the philosophy forum than here. That is of course unless you believe your fate is being controlled by paranormal forces, like 7th level ascended masters from zeta reticuli...

The question of fate kind of hinges on free will. If we have free will, then our fate would at least be malleable. If not, well there's maybe some quantum chances that the future isn't set in stone, but we wouldn't really be controlling that.

[Raptor Witness]

And.. sorry to ruin it Raptor, but its a Metallica star :D Ruin it? You've just proven that I know nothing of the dark side, besides what is given to me.

It must drive my nemeses crazy that I have no connection whatsoever, to the occult.
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[Sgt Shaw]

Ruin it? You've just proven that I know nothing of the dark side, besides what is given to me.

It must drive my nemeses crazy that I have no connection whatsoever, to the occult.
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Haha, you should join the dark side my nemesis.. the dark side offers you.. power beyond all your imagination :D

[Perfectionist]

Yeah, but then what decides these impulses? It must be us that make these decisions, as say, if we see something, like some food, we could choose to eat it. And thats because we can see it and we know its there.The impulses are the consequences of the previous impulse !!

And it could be argued that the very first impulse was the consequence of the Big Bang etc .....

Therefore we may not have any free will whatsoever ......

[Raptor Witness]

Haha, you should join the dark side my nemesis.. the dark side offers you.. power beyond all your imagination :DI prefer to go up, thank you. ["Temporary"] (http://www.prisonplanet.com/Pages/130404_bonesconnected.html) is not my secret name.

[uki]

fate is the remembrance of choice. we have all chosen our own destinies; through the gift of freewill, we signed up for the show... going through lives and remembering is part of the process... and then the final act; the climax. bingo... does everyone know their lines?

[Raptor Witness]

fate is the remembrance of choice. we have all chosen our own destinies; through the gift of freewill, we signed up for the show... going through lives and remembering is part of the process... and then the final act; the climax. bingo... does everyone know their lines?
I don't know mine until they come to me, and when they do, it sounds like fire. Recent example - [The truth is, I am here to spill your soup. The entire bowl of it. For the poison which you have fed the nations is now being passed to you, beginning with the cup in the Whore's hand.] (http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/index.php?s=&showtopic=84980&view=findpost&p=1479183)


Fate is simply the mind of God whispering to us, "I know what you're thinkin'."

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[Armageddonman]

Tough Question. Fate beliefs differs greatly from person to person. Some say there is none, complete will. Others say all your actions are based upon a previous action and all those actions were caused by fate, as in we have no control over our life. So no matter what decision we make, that's fate we cannot escape. I tend to believe more in the middle of that. Define fate and you get - something uncontrollable and unescapable that there is no control over. Thats what i believe fate is, but it does not affect everything in your life. I don't think it affects random everyday things you do, but it does control more significant things. Like if you were getting married, what tux you wore that day wouldn't be controlled by fate, but saying no at the alter would. To get on a subject more relevant to the site, I think that the way the world ends is fate. The way our world ends, I believe, will be something unavoidable that befalls the Earth and cause massive chaotic destruction. So all in all, if this made any sense, you cannot change fate but fate can change you.

[uki]

I don't know mine until they come to me, and when they do, it sounds like fire. Recent example - [The truth is, I am here to spill your soup. The entire bowl of it. For the poison which you have fed the nations is now being passed to you, beginning with the cup in the Whore's hand.] (http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/index.php?s=&showtopic=84980&view=findpost&p=1479183)


Fate is simply the mind of God whispering to us, "I know what you're thinkin'."

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/146/338568796_afadcfb08e_o.jpghttp://farm1.static.flickr.com/141/338565259_c5022b3c3e_o.jpgapparently that fluffy little bunny didn't like knowing he had shit in his hair. hahahahahahaha!!!! :crazy: but you know they'll all be pounding on the door when the rains start coming down.

[hatch]

Good bye to the past,
Hello to the future,
It's a stronger continuous.



BUT THERE IS NO FATE!!!!!!

:nudge:

[Respect]

Hello all,

May I ask if any one thinks "fate" is all about faith? If our life events are planned before we do them, isn't it all kinda pointless being born in the first place?

Respect

[TC]

I think it has many possibilities and roads, the future isn't written in stone and we have a choice as to what we submit ourselves to, both good and bad.

[Demonskates]

Do you believe in fate? Almost as if, our lives have a path we must walk down, and no matter what happens, this purpose will be fulfilled?
In my opinion, I don't believe in it, as I like to think I have complete control of my life, and I can do what I want, rather than having to do something as it is my destiny.
What do you guys think?

Life is just a series of choices. What you choose determines where you end up.
If you choose this, this happens, if you choose this, that happens. We alone are in control of what we do. Fate is a cheesy pick up line.

[Cartesiantheater]

I believe that causality (or the appearance of it [enter Hume]) runs our lives.

Past, present, and future are illusions (as per Einstein)...

Every motion is caused by a previous motion, up until the Big Bang (or the beginning, first cause, first quantum fluctuation, whatever)...

Every "choice" you make is the product of causality (including events caused by probabalistic quantum happenings on the sub-atomic level in your brain; also, on a larger scale (less quantifiable), where you were born, what you've seen, consequenses of your "choices," etc.)... (as per Libet, many physical scientists [the ones who do NOT believe in magic], reductionists, and others)...

"Fate?" No. "Predestination?" Sort of... Everything that happens WILL happen no matter what... (even if we take the "Many Worlds (http://www.valdostamuseum.org/hamsmith/ManyWorlds.html#MWINT)" hypothesis... that is, if there is a knew universe for every possible "choice," we STILL are slaves to causality/probability... because... if EVERY POSSIBLE EVENT happens, then that means that NONE are special and that EACH IS INEVITABLE... hence, they are bound by causality and probability. [in other words, free will is only a perception])

In addition, because time is relative, that means there exists a time in which our present is another vantage point's PAST (unless for some reason time has an abrupt ending... which I suppose would mean that there exists exactly ONE point in time in which it is NOT another vantage point's past... er.. yeah...)
... which means from one perspective, our "choices" have already been made... therefore, they are set in stone, assuming time doesn't pull any magic tricks on us...


-IMHO, that is... :D

[lazserus]

This is a great thread and it's in the wrong forum, so I'll move it.

I believe fate is fiction. Destiny is merely the curtains to decorate your life with. There are too many logical contraries to believe in fate outside religion. To believe in fate or destiny is to accept the future is written in stone without your consent. If that's the case, one could truly do nothing and events customized for their life would transpire regardless because the future is scripted.

I believe the future is dependent on personal choice. Every choice you make influences your future, but your future is only created if you make a choice. Without getting metaphysical, imagine you make a decision and based on that decision a possible future comes to exist. If you continue on that path that future is likely to come into fruition, however any major deviation in that focus could alter your possible future.

The future is only in our minds. Every decision we make secures or disregards a future we personally concoct in our minds. Every move we make determines our future. Our future is only determined by our own actions. We, as intelligent beings, are completely in control of our destinies. To accept otherwise is to deny ourselves.

[Agent Tellman]

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"Our lives are lived over and over again, repeating forever in an infinite loop of reoccurrences in your life including relationships, events and thoughts. We are in a rerun of our life but experiencing it for the first time. With each cycle a different “viewer” is experiencing the totality of senses and emotions of that particular host. It is reincarnation without a timeline. The gamut of living experiences is part of a quest to better ourselves as a species and as individuals. The mechanism that provides this is our brain and sometimes there are glitches. Déjà vu, split personalities, past lives, predictions and remote viewing are part of the interwoven fabric of fate. The duality of fate is that we believe that every choice is made of free will but the plot has already been played out and our choices are always influenced towards a projected outcome. Signs and omens are placed before us to guide us along the path and from my experience the future cannot be changed in the broad sense but may be transferred or deflected from a personal point of view."

Author's name withheld.

Just thought I would throw this in. It is part of what I believe and has worked well in expaining and helping me with lots of quandries. I don't expect all of you to agree but maybe one or two of you have had similar experiences.