What's the deal with the Knights Templers?

[metatron]

Did they really exist? Were they the military arm of the Priory of Sion?

I think so. Many things in history point to them as a rich organization. And a secret society.

[lycanox]

............And an fairy tale.

[RavenWhitefang]

The Knights Templar did exist, although alot of what is being written about them nowadays is alot of conspiracy. They began the banking system, which is what our banking and loan system is based on today. The date Friday 13th has its root in superstition because that was the date on which the King and ordered a mass culling of the Templars, because they refused to give over their wealth to him, they answered only to the Pope. They were supposed to be an army that protected pilgrims on the road to the holy land *Jerusalem* but history has shown that most of what they did in Jerusalem was excavational digs under the old temples and supposedly found massive amounts of religious artifacts and riches from King Solomon's treasure. This is the reasoning behind them being so rich, but in all actuallity, it was most likely because they imposed a tax on the banking and loan system they provided.

[lycanox]

I agree. I meant with a fairytale those stories about Freemason superpowers and such.

Just some military man becoming bankers.
At least its better than the opposite.

[liberdave]

Did they really exist? Were they the military arm of the Priory of Sion?
Um, you do know that the DaVinci Code was fictional.... right? Priory of Sion didn't exist until the 1950's. Wiki link (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Priory_of_sion). And RWF nailed the true history in her post.

[Dead Man Walking]

The Knights Templar did exist, although alot of what is being written about them nowadays is alot of conspiracy. They began the banking system, which is what our banking and loan system is based on today. The date Friday 13th has its root in superstition because that was the date on which the King and ordered a mass culling of the Templars, because they refused to give over their wealth to him, they answered only to the Pope. They were supposed to be an army that protected pilgrims on the road to the holy land *Jerusalem* but history has shown that most of what they did in Jerusalem was excavational digs under the old temples and supposedly found massive amounts of religious artifacts and riches from King Solomon's treasure. This is the reasoning behind them being so rich, but in all actuallity, it was most likely because they imposed a tax on the banking and loan system they provided.

:Bott:
The Knights Templar, "Do Exist"... As a result of our current technology, they are not considered a secret organization, yet their workings are not public knowledge.. Indeed they have the riches of many Temples hidden among their memberships.. Throughout the ages, this group has developed a strong stockpile of artifacts to include The Arc of the Covenant.. The Templars are a close knit group of people that originate from before the Crusades in Europe, that were chosen from a group of elite mercenaries to repell the Persian Empire as it attempted to march towards the Grand Pond of the Atlantic.
Sorry,, but they were not involved in any sort of taxation, they didn't have that kind of power... :52:

[TC]

You obviously must be a member to have all this inside information.... if not? At least let us know how you came about it.

I promise not to tell anyone.

[metatron]

You obviously must be a member to have all this inside information.... if not? At least let us know how you came about it



I am!!! We meet every thursaday to discuss my taking over the world!!!

[lazserus]

:Bott:
The Knights Templar, "Do Exist"... As a result of our current technology, they are not considered a secret organization, yet their workings are not public knowledge.. Indeed they have the riches of many Temples hidden among their memberships.. Throughout the ages, this group has developed a strong stockpile of artifacts to include The Arc of the Covenant.. The Templars are a close knit group of people that originate from before the Crusades in Europe, that were chosen from a group of elite mercenaries to repell the Persian Empire as it attempted to march towards the Grand Pond of the Atlantic.
Sorry,, but they were not involved in any sort of taxation, they didn't have that kind of power... :52:
I'm not sure where you've gathered your information from. The Poor Fellow-Soldiers of Christ and of the Temple of Solomon (Knights Templar) was formed after the First Crusade of 1096 in the year 1118 by Frenchmen Hughes de Payens and Geoffrey de St. Omer, sanctioned by King Baldwin II. They were the first military order of Christianity and were originally designed to protect pilgrims on their travels to the Holy Land, but were then charged with protecting it.

The Knights Templar did, in fact, start international banking. That is one of the ways they became so wealthy. Other ways were from collecting knight's fees and basic fiefs. Not only that, but they were well known for the excavations in the Middle East. Upon their disbanding in 1307 by Pope Clement V, they refused to turn over any wealth to King Philip, thus they were marked as heretics and many were executed.

[Sgt Shaw]

I'm not sure where you've gathered your information from. The Poor Fellow-Soldiers of Christ and of the Temple of Solomon (Knights Templar) was formed after the First Crusade of 1096 in the year 1118 by Frenchmen Hughes de Payens and Geoffrey de St. Omer, sanctioned by King Baldwin II. They were the first military order of Christianity and were originally designed to protect pilgrims on their travels to the Holy Land, but were then charged with protecting it.

The Knights Templar did, in fact, start international banking. That is one of the ways they became so wealthy. Other ways were from collecting knight's fees and basic fiefs. Not only that, but they were well known for the excavations in the Middle East. Upon their disbanding in 1307 by Pope Clement V, they refused to turn over any wealth to King Philip, thus they were marked as heretics and many were executed.

Wow, I guess you really do learn something everyday eh?

[steven]

I'm not sure where you've gathered your information from. The Poor Fellow-Soldiers of Christ and of the Temple of Solomon (Knights Templar) was formed after the First Crusade of 1096 in the year 1118 by Frenchmen Hughes de Payens and Geoffrey de St. Omer, sanctioned by King Baldwin II. They were the first military order of Christianity and were originally designed to protect pilgrims on their travels to the Holy Land, but were then charged with protecting it.

The Knights Templar did, in fact, start international banking. That is one of the ways they became so wealthy. Other ways were from collecting knight's fees and basic fiefs. Not only that, but they were well known for the excavations in the Middle East. Upon their disbanding in 1307 by Pope Clement V, they refused to turn over any wealth to King Philip, thus they were marked as heretics and many were executed.


I love it when someone really knows there stuff !

[Agent Tellman]

After the disbandment and inquisition that followed the 13th of October arrest the Templars sort refuge in numerous places. Some hid with the Scottish Rite and the Masonic Temple, others took to the seas along the Ivory Coast. The agenda was the disempowerment of the Monarchies of Europe and the Catholic Church. The pirating of wealth from the Galleons of the Monarchies was a precursory to this effort and the creation of the Skull and Crossbones Flag is forever etched as a warning of this non-nationalized Order.

The Puritan migration to what is now America is always associated with religious persecution but the real reason was that many Puritans were leaders in International Trading and were banned from positions of authority. They immigrated to escape the discrimination and this allowed them better trading rights. American was chosen as the base for the future as seen by many forefathers of America being Masons/Templars.

The Dark Ages was a time of Monarchal rule and Religious paranoia. Many books of learning where destroyed to withhold the truth and allow Church and King rule. The Templars bided their time and aligned with Houses.

Napoleon was a Templar. The outline of his Democratic Creed holds many Templar thoughts. He was militarily advised and financially supported. The sale of Louisiana was a deal brokered to this cause. The beheading of the Monarchies and replacement of power to Democratic Governments was the first stage.

The World Wars of the last Century was controlled human culling, economic jumpstarts, Jewish expulsion from Christian Europe, plundering of European Countries to set up a better financed Christian Banking structure within the Cantons of Switzerland and thus a more competitive financial structure against future Jewish control, especially the Bundersbank. The Jews would be compensated with their own Nation and custodians of the Holy Land.

Meanwhile the Japanese, through their attack of Pearl Harbour and the weird decision by America to fight in Europe, were allowed 9 months of plundering in Asia to set up their future financial structure and be future competitive against the Chinese and Korean whilst having no natural resources.

The Templars signia is a red cross on a white background (the cross of St George). The Knights of St John’s Hospitallier or Knights of Malta, who are still the official army of the Catholic Church, have a white cross on a red background. (The flag of Switzerland, the Swiss Guard secure the Vatican). The Knights Teutonic of northern Europe is a black cross on a red background (Nazi cross).

There is no evil cabal, no demonic leaders. There are good knights and there are bad knights. Knighthood is still practiced and given to those worthy. This is no secret. Do your research. Almost every director of the CIA was also knighted by the Church as a Knight of St John’s.

The real evil lies within the masses. If let loose to their own devices, there are those that walk amongst you who would impose their judgment on you, killing and destroying everything you love and cherish for their own selfish needs. Good people of this world understand that sacrifices are made to have a world where you can freely express our thoughts, freely believe in our own spirituality and freely choose our own destiny. To be protected from evil is every good persons right.

The system isn’t perfect, it isn’t even close. Riches gained through deception, innocent people dying, nature being destroyed and good deeds unrewarded. There are still issues that need to be attended to. I hope that this is all leading to a better world and that there is a meaning to it all. An optimistic view of a future that is critical of history but also compliant to the justification.

[TC]

If examined a little closer, one of the largest youth groups in the world for boys is the order of Demolay, and its female off shoot Job's daughters, both these organizations are built on the foundations of freemasonry, both exclusive in that a male family member has to belong to adult freemasonry. It is predomonitly white, and not so subtly anti semitic, it encourages its youth to maintain this relationship till adulthood and eventual join the masonic organization. The higher secret workings of this order is still to maintain control over non Jewish banking organizations, not much different from 500 years ago, other than the technology at hand to promote the order of Knights Templar.

Interesting list of names on the below link.......

http://www.answers.com/topic/list-of-freemasons

[Armageddonman]

Im not an expert on this, so don't like post another comment after me with like a page off stuff saying i'm wrong. I've heard that they've been involved in all of this priory and other secret things too, but that's only in popular culture. The reason people make up all this stuff about them is because not much is known about them so they seem all secretive. So now that a lot of people think they were hiding stuff people come up with more treasures they have. but don't take my word for this.

[TC]

Nothing implied about treasure here, my opinion is based on my familys connections to this order and what I've gathered through their conversations. Personally I think its a fraternity for the vary rich at the high end political scale, *see the name list on the link.......

[Agent Tellman]

Money is not a necessary requirement. Remember the original Templars had vows of poverty. "Spheres of influence" is more suitable then riches. Mind you riches tend to be a bonus of the craft these days.

That said, there are normal, unselfish and benevolent members as well. It isn't all doom and gloom.

As for treasures, I have heard of the weirdest stories. Excalibur or some historical sword in a metallic container that looks like a rock with a large flat slab on top of it that looks like a shield. Under an old dried up waterfall at the end of a crevice in Death Valley. I shit you not.

I asked why and was told because it was the safest place to store valuable objects. No moisture, nowhere to hide, completely open and the sword in the rock doesn't mean impaled but literally inside a rock like container. No references to this as it was a personal story that although difficult to prove does make some sense IMO.

[Raptor Witness]

This order died off. Others took it's place, essentially. However, nothing with the same purpose exists today, unless of course you look at what the neocons are doing, which is oddly similar. They make wars to make money, always in the name of protecting us from some evil axis.

[Agent Tellman]

Raptor Witness. It is doubtful that the Order, as it was, still exist but it is hard to believe that one of the richest organizations in the world just collapsed. I tend to think they survived. I know for a fact that a group of very wealthy men with very old swords, who called themselves Templars, used to meet once a month at a place called Selsdon Park in Surrey, England. It is a hotel that was originally built in 891AD by the Black Frairs. Still has the original doors in the Phoenix Bar and a stone arch in the gardens. 1/4 of a mile long castle sitting on top of a hill. I would be digging there before I dug up Roslyn Chapel.
Okay they could be self glorifying wankers but I knew a few of them and they were owners of very large companies. I tend to think they weren't full of shit and maybe they just met for a piss up and get together to discuss financial markets but the Order is not dead.

[Raptor Witness]

Raptor Witness. It is doubtful that the Order, as it was, still exist but it is hard to believe that one of the richest organizations in the world just collapsed. I tend to think they survived. I know for a fact that a group of very wealthy men with very old swords, who called themselves Templars, used to meet once a month at a place called Selsdon Park in Surrey, England. It is a hotel that was originally built in 891AD by the Black Frairs. Still has the original doors in the Phoenix Bar and a stone arch in the gardens. 1/4 of a mile long castle sitting on top of a hill. I would be digging there before I dug up Roslyn Chapel.
Okay they could be self glorifying wankers but I knew a few of them and they were owners of very large companies. I tend to think they weren't full of shit and maybe they just met for a piss up and get together to discuss financial markets but the Order is not dead.Well said, and I cannot deny the possibility. I can't go into any detail now, but I've noticed a curious correlation to some of my prophetic writing and the darkest day in their calendar. It's nothing intentional on my part, adding to my fascination of this.
It's as if there is a power surrounding key dates which were very important to them, and I noticed this casually, as my interest in this group is meager.

[Agent Tellman]

RW,

Thanks for the open mindedness of your reply. With a subject like this, rebuttal could have easily been chosen.

I am interested to find out more about your prophetic writings. Please link me to any past post you have on this subject.

Dates are very symbolistic, as important as any other form of historical recording seen in drawings and text. Remember that dates are camouflaged interpretations of cosmic events, seasonal changes, lunar observations and universal alignments. Forgetting the belief of horoscopes and the likes, there are repetitive cycles at work with unknown consequences. How important an influence in our lives these cycles have is subjectively defined by each person. I do know that humanity has adapted to fit within these universal machinations. Physically altering our bodies breeding cycles, planting of crops, navigation are some of the countless ways in which we connect with cosmic cogs.

Will read your writings with interest.

Cheers.

[Raptor Witness]

RW,

Thanks for the open mindedness of your reply. With a subject like this, rebuttal could have easily been chosen.

I am interested to find out more about your prophetic writings. Please link me to any past post you have on this subject.

Dates are very symbolistic, as important as any other form of historical recording seen in drawings and text. Remember that dates are camouflaged interpretations of cosmic events, seasonal changes, lunar observations and universal alignments. Forgetting the belief of horoscopes and the likes, there are repetitive cycles at work with unknown consequences. How important an influence in our lives these cycles have is subjectively defined by each person. I do know that humanity has adapted to fit within these universal machinations. Physically altering our bodies breeding cycles, planting of crops, navigation are some of the countless ways in which we connect with cosmic cogs.

Will read your writings with interest.

Cheers.

I'll have to research this and find them. I didn't bother to keep anything categorized according to these dates. It's just something I've casually noticed. I will say this, however. It seems as if windows of power are opening and closing surrounding these dates.

Here's one example. This blog shows edition dates, so if you see none, it means the post was unedited. Although the attached photos inside the initial post below, have been shuffled to the bottom due to software upgrade, they are an important part of the prophecy, so make note of them at the bottom. I have also republished them here for clarity.
The beginning of this prophetic argument began last Friday the 13th, which was in October, 2006.

My argument begins ... Friday the 13th - [Do you ever wonder, how are the children of Iraq doing?] (http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/index.php?s=&showtopic=80223&view=findpost&p=1388811)

The challenge to my argument ... Friday the 13th - [Just call your buddy jesus and he can tell you.] (http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/index.php?s=&showtopic=80223&view=findpost&p=1388880)

My reply to the challenge ... October 14th - [Perhaps a few of these will help your generation to see some Divine Light] (http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/index.php?s=&showtopic=80223&view=findpost&p=1389208)


http://farm1.static.flickr.com/95/241585081_92f91f8911_o.jpg

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/107/270516265_dd1fe7c694_o.jpg

At this time my avatar was also a curious picture, represented by rippling waves moving across the surface of the United States. I've revived it here for reference.

Then the very next day, the Big Island of Hawaii was struck with a [6.7 earthquake,] (http://earthquake.usgs.gov/eqcenter/eqinthenews/2006/ustwbh/) followed by a second major shock of 6.0.

If that wasn't enough, October 14th, I posted [another prophetic photo] (http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/index.php?s=&showtopic=80417&view=findpost&p=1390174) on the same blog, which is tied to my specific prophecy here September 12, 2006. [To the "King of Terror from the sky" I have sent the "Panther Across the Sky."] (http://forums.armageddononline.org/showthread.php?t=7816&highlight=Tecumseh) Tecumseh is the American Indian who is reported to have predicted the New Madrid earthquakes which struck the heartland of America in 1812 with such a ferocity that the Mississippi River ran backwards, and church bells rang in Boston. Nothing like it has occurred before or since in the recorded history of America. Tecumseh means "Panther across the Sky." Key items to note in photo are Ver. 6.0 , "Visitors Bureau," and an American Indian's head.

On top of this, another curious connection is this post made in support of a real ["Jesus" freak who lives in Hawaii,] (http://forums.armageddononline.org/showthread.php?t=7856&highlight=Dog) and who was recently being harassed by the powers that be, and which strongly suggests that a show of another kind of power, will soon be made. Is it a coincidence that this man is a Jesus freak and lives in Hawaii? This is what I mean by a door of power opening and closing, or perhaps it remains open?

So what began as a simple argument about the children of Iraq, has become a potentially powerful message from God to men, through His servant. If this sort of thing happened only once, I'd say it was a fluke, but it happens again, and again, and again. So if the Templars still exist, what more fitting a date for the argument to have begun, and leading to an unmistakeable garment ... and warning to this generation?


Sackcloth


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[Agent Tellman]

RW, did anything happen on June the 13th Friday?

[Raptor Witness]

RW, did anything happen on June the 13th Friday?
No, but I released my premonition regarding something to do with the ["heart of the nation,"] (http://forums.armageddononline.org/showpost.php?p=160429&postcount=1) on this date. It is very significant that Friday the 13th followed 7/7/7 this important year. I don't completely know yet why, but it's an interesting conjunction. Since my first premonition of 2007 [came] (http://forums.armageddononline.org/premonitions-2007-t11011.html) and was fulfilled on 7/11, but before 7/13; this is meant as a clear signal, I believe. Who else in the U.S., or the world for that matter, is known to have published a premonition on 7-7-7 and had it fulfilled so quickly? Does it mean that I am lucky, or that I have help from above?

I'll tell you a little secret Tellman, because I know that you like them. After I forecast hurricane Katrina with the [sign of Jonah] (http://hometown.aol.com/Corinth1Ch13/Should+Intelligent+Design+be+taught.pdf) prophecy the first week in August of '05, and the government started chasing me, I had a personal mystical experience that scared me a whole lot more than they did. I learned ... that I can never gamble, again.

[Agent Tellman]

The mystical insight you had RW is a lesson that you have obviously learnt from.

[alpha]

you were talking about the Templars weren't you? Don't let RW baffle you with numbers that divide into 7. They all divide in to 1 anyway so you can make predictions on any number based on simple equations. RW, you should have written a book with your prophecies, where is it!?

I'm into the Templar subject as well as the Masons. Thought about being one too. Even being a Templar Knight is possible today, but since the early 1800's the goals of the order have changed:

The Sovereign Military Order of the Temple of Jerusalem (SMOTJ), also known as the Ordo Supremus Militaris Templi Hierosolymitani (OSMTH) is an international association of autonomous national Grand Priories, whose goals are the preservation of the holy sites in and around Jerusalem; antiquarian research; charitable works; diplomatic lobbying and intervention. In modern times, the Order exists as an international ecumenical Christian organisation which was founded in 1804.

Yeh, thats Wiki, but I think that's pretty damn close. There are lots of Templar Knight organisations around the World today. Who knows which one is the authentic one. I suspect it will always remain secret until a great crisis.

I'm with you Agent Tellman on the detail you posted after Philip the Fair's persecution of the Templars starting on Friday 13th ??? 1307. What you don't mention is Jacques de Molay. Some say the image on the Turin shroud is him and not Yahoshua. He was tortured and crucified like Jesus was supposed to have been, he survived this and was eventually burned at the stake (cross in his case).

The fleet fled to Merika (America) and Scotland where Lord St Clair set up the first lodge as well as building Rosslyn chapel that is an exact replica of King Herod's temple.

Freemasons and Templars either have secrets and treasures or they don't. In my view the Freemasons are as near to a medieval Templar Knight than the many modern Templar Knights are who are now more political than military.

However, if they have to I'm sure they would rise up in a crisis as a full blown military order.

You have to ask why Freemasons keep their secrets. Why do they still to this day keep secrets from mere mortals?

[johnb1]

No comment... For some reason I cannot say YET....

[lionheart62]

guardians of the grail...the knights templur were vicious,strong and had a lot of heart for what they were fightin for...well the priory had a lot to do with guarding the grail but the knights where thrown in there.

[weebraveheart]

:Bott:
The Knights Templar, "Do Exist"... As a result of our current technology, they are not considered a secret organization, yet their workings are not public knowledge.. Indeed they have the riches of many Temples hidden among their memberships.. Throughout the ages, this group has developed a strong stockpile of artifacts to include The Arc of the Covenant.. The Templars are a close knit group of people that originate from before the Crusades in Europe, that were chosen from a group of elite mercenaries to repell the Persian Empire as it attempted to march towards the Grand Pond of the Atlantic.
Sorry,, but they were not involved in any sort of taxation, they didn't have that kind of power... :52:

The templars did have the power to tax, one of the requirements when joining the order was to give all your possesions i.e lands,estates,wealth etc over to the order as part of your vow of poverty. The Templars then owned these lands,estates etc and taxed the people and buisneses on them which they could do because they owend them. Also another reason why the Templars had many land holdings through europe and the holy lands. The official date the Templars were formed was 1096 and the men who formed it were vassals of Hugh de Champagne who was lord of the Champagne region in France. There is evidence that most of what they did for the 1st 9yrs in the holy lands was excavations but it is unknown what they found, there are numerous theries tho, after roughly 9yrs Hugh de Champagne submited everything he had to the order and became a member they then started recruiting and became the crusader equivalent of special forces.Although christian in times of peace in the holy lands they traded with muslims and brought a wealth of knowledge i.e medical,engineering also alot of tradeable goods another reason they were rich. WHAT evidence do you have that they have the arc of the covenant and other religious relics?????????????

[Assassin X]

I liked the Knights of the Templar.

[Nasik]

The templars did have the power to tax, one of the requirements when joining the order was to give all your possesions i.e lands,estates,wealth etc over to the order as part of your vow of poverty. The Templars then owned these lands,estates etc and taxed the people and buisneses on them which they could do because they owend them. Also another reason why the Templars had many land holdings through europe and the holy lands. The official date the Templars were formed was 1096 and the men who formed it were vassals of Hugh de Champagne who was lord of the Champagne region in France. There is evidence that most of what they did for the 1st 9yrs in the holy lands was excavations but it is unknown what they found, there are numerous theries tho, after roughly 9yrs Hugh de Champagne submited everything he had to the order and became a member they then started recruiting and became the crusader equivalent of special forces.Although christian in times of peace in the holy lands they traded with muslims and brought a wealth of knowledge i.e medical,engineering also alot of tradeable goods another reason they were rich. WHAT evidence do you have that they have the arc of the covenant and other religious relics?????????????

That's very interesting. I wonder, tho, what they did find in their various excavations. I have heard theories that they may have found the arc,

[DaKat]

Did they really exist? Were they the military arm of the Priory of Sion?




Yes, the Templars existed, but the Priory of Sion is a myth (part of a scam, really).

The Templars may have high standards and ideals when they were first formed, but they eventually succumbed to greed, and on a massive scale.
THAT caused them to become targets.

[JLEE]

I think we need to look into the Prior of Scion further. The name itself stands for the "branch of the ruling elders of the church ". Not likely to be a myth. The Templars wealth came from governing all those in exteme powers' money. The first recorded banking system for the church. The Proiry of Scion were an offshoot of this. If I remember correctly. I'll have to do some digging.

[JLEE]

Okay...this is what I found: The Priory if Scion is another meaning for Mary Magdalen & the Sangreal or ( Sang Real ).That meaning the children of King Jesus & his wife Mary Magdalen. The Knights Templar & the Priory of Scion were initially of the same order and presided in the same place of which Notre Dame de Scion and St. Marys of Mt. Zion were built. Both of which lay upon the foundation of the original apostolie Cenacle or Colaneum until 1291 AD. It began in the middle ages & ran through the 17th century under the name Prieure du Sion. Between 1090 - 1188 AD it was entitled Ordre de Sion. In 1291 the Moslem onslaught defeated the Crusaders to which the Priory & the Templars answered to the Franciscans for several centuries thereafter. It then befell the Christians and was turned into a mosque that stands today. The Priory of Scion is in other words is the bloodlines of Jesus & Mary.