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theartistchick
Jan 24th, 2007, 1:37 PM
2 years ago I read the report on an abrupt climate change scenario prepared for the Pentagon/Dept. of Defense where it outlines the types of things to expect in a warming world. Whats alarming is that what the report talked about is coming true, and todays news also states that climate change will bring about mass exodus' of refugees and terror-
So I was thinking it would behoove all of us to read this scenario- it will better equip you to know what is ahead of us-
as I do believe we are in runaway climate change now and there is no turning back-
Here is todays news story and also the link for the pentagon report-

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Climate change seen fanning conflict and terrorism By Mark Trevelyan, Security Correspondent
2 hours, 58 minutes ago

LONDON (Reuters) - Global warming could exacerbate the world's rich-poor divide and help to radicalize populations and fan terrorism in the countries worst affected, security and climate experts said on Wednesday.

"We have to reckon with the human propensity for violence," Sir Crispin Tickell, Britain's former ambassador to the United Nations, told a London conference on "Climate Change: the Global Security Impact."

"Violence within and between communities and between nation states, we must accept, could possibly increase, because the precedents are all around."

He cited Rwanda and Sudan's Darfur region as two examples where drought and overpopulation, relative to scarce resources, had helped to fuel deadly conflicts.

Experts at the conference hosted by the Royal United Services Institute said it was likely that global warming would create huge flows of refugees as people tried to escape areas swamped by rising sea levels or rendered uninhabitable by desertification.

Tickell said terrorists were likely to seek to exploit the tensions created.

"Those who are short of food, those who are short of water, those who can't move to countries where it looks as if everything is marvelous are going to be people who are going to adopt desperate measures to try and make their point."

BIN LADEN ON CLIMATE CHANGE

John Mitchell, chief scientist at Britain's Met Office, noted al Qaeda had already listed environmental damage among its litany of grievances against the United States.

"You have destroyed nature with your industrial waste and gases more than any other nation in history. Despite this, you refuse to sign the Kyoto agreement so that you can secure the profit of your greedy companies and industries," al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden wrote in a 2002 "letter to the American people."

Paul Rogers, professor of peace studies at Bradford University, said any attempt by countries to build fortress walls to keep out climate change refugees -- what he called the "barbarians at the gate" mentality -- was doomed to fail.

"If you just take the example of Bangladesh, if 60 million of 140 million people could not survive in Bangladesh yet they were kept there, you would have A) gigantic human suffering and B) progressive very deep radicalization -- very, very angry people -- and that is not in anybody's security interest."

Bangladesh, with a 580 km (360 mile) coastline on the Bay of Bengal, is acutely vulnerable to rising sea levels, cyclones and droughts.

Climate scientist Mitchell said the Mediterranean and Middle East were likely to receive less rainfall as a consequence of climate change, adding to existing tensions over water.

John Ashton, special representative for climate change at Britain's Foreign Office, voiced concern that this could further destabilize a region already beset by conflict.

"Given the volatile nature of that region, given the global consequences of that volatility, yes I'm hugely worried by that," he told Reuters.

Raptor Witness
Jan 24th, 2007, 3:13 PM
It's too late for the source of the problem to "worry" about it. The plagues are on the way, and no power on earth can stop them. The owner of the Garden is coming home to remove the goats.

Stabby Joe
Jan 24th, 2007, 3:23 PM
Hmmmm... I don't know, I'm quick to point out that there is a big problem however SOME OTHERS (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/11/05/nosplit/nwarm05.xml) find the wole notion to this extent rather OVERDONE (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/5236482.stm) and may prehaps suggest ANOTHER SIDE (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/5152590.stm) to the debate. Again, I do think its a problem and so do all the OTHERS (http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming/science/abrupt-climate-change-faq.html), but this report if anything gives Bush an excuse since it puts focus on "USA A'OK" while Europe and Asia will have etc etc...

And religious thinking like that means no help, hence why NOT EVERYONE (http://www.coejl.org/news/20010404_ecumenical.php) thinks THAT WAY. (http://www.earthday.net/programs/religious/default.aspx)


Lol, don't worry, I know what the replies are going to be like... :2thumbs:

Raptor Witness
Jan 24th, 2007, 3:40 PM
Hmmmm... I don't know, I'm quick to point out that there is a big problem however SOME OTHERS (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/11/05/nosplit/nwarm05.xml) find the wole notion to this extent rather OVERDONE (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/5236482.stm) and may prehaps suggest ANOTHER SIDE (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/5152590.stm) to the debate. Again, I do think its a problem and so do all the OTHERS (http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming/science/abrupt-climate-change-faq.html), but this report if anything gives Bush an excuse since it puts focus on "USA A'OK" while Europe and Asia will have etc etc...

And religious thinking like that means no help, hence why NOT EVERYONE (http://www.coejl.org/news/20010404_ecumenical.php) thinks THAT WAY. (http://www.earthday.net/programs/religious/default.aspx)


Lol, don't worry, I know what the replies are going to be like... :2thumbs:
Would you rather that I explain this in terms of pagan heroes? I can do that too. The Borg Queen is coming to make things right. Is that easier for you to understand?


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Stabby Joe
Jan 24th, 2007, 4:08 PM
*SIGH* Here we go again with the random images... I'd like to discuss with you better if you weren't citing Star Trek as a quick response. And Pagan heroes? Riiiiight, I do remember saying "I'm a Pagan" just now, yeah? :alcoholic

Seriously, I know that you believe in the end times at this point, you've made it clear (...well almost lol), I just casually said not everyone does, calm down.

theartistchick
Jan 24th, 2007, 4:09 PM
Well here's where things get interesting to me.
I too am a Christian, and believe that we are in the "end of the Age"-
it is both biblical, everything we are experiencing right now ( if you compare what's happening in our world today against the scriptures you will find eeerily similar prophecies)
Coincidence?
My own personal opinion on that would have to be a resounding no,
although I am by no means a bible scholar I just see toooo many reasons to believe, rather than to disbelieve.
So does that mean we do nothing to help our earth?
No, I don't believe that would be right either-
So-
As for me, I live everyday as a blessed event, one more day to plant flowers, see the sunshine, talk to my family, have love and give love-
But I have to admit I am bitterly sad at the way that things have been handled ( our government-especially Bush)
What makes me sad is here was a man that could have/ and should have looked at the state of our Earth alot harder instead of at his and his buddies pocketbooks.
Just my 2 cents worth. :prin:


Hmmmm... I don't know, I'm quick to point out that there is a big problem however SOME OTHERS (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/11/05/nosplit/nwarm05.xml) find the wole notion to this extent rather OVERDONE (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/5236482.stm) and may prehaps suggest ANOTHER SIDE (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/5152590.stm) to the debate. Again, I do think its a problem and so do all the OTHERS (http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming/science/abrupt-climate-change-faq.html), but this report if anything gives Bush an excuse since it puts focus on "USA A'OK" while Europe and Asia will have etc etc...

And religious thinking like that means no help, hence why NOT EVERYONE (http://www.coejl.org/news/20010404_ecumenical.php) thinks THAT WAY. (http://www.earthday.net/programs/religious/default.aspx)


Lol, don't worry, I know what the replies are going to be like... :2thumbs:

Stabby Joe
Jan 24th, 2007, 4:12 PM
although I am by no means a bible scholar I just see toooo many reasons to believe, rather than to disbelieve.
So does that mean we do nothing to help our earth?
No, I don't believe that would be right either-
So-
As for me, I live everyday as a blessed event, one more day to plant flowers, see the sunshine, talk to my family, have love and give love-
But I have to admit I am bitterly sad at the way that things have been handled ( our government-especially Bush)

Hey, don't get me wrong, thats a better attitude to have than most people. :2thumbs:

theartistchick
Jan 24th, 2007, 4:23 PM
no offense taken at all. I try to keep an upbeat attitude and an open mind!! :2thumbs:
Hey, don't get me wrong, thats a better attitude to have than most people. :2thumbs:

Stabby Joe
Jan 24th, 2007, 5:09 PM
no offense taken at all. I try to keep an upbeat attitude and an open mind!! :2thumbs:

No offense given actually lol.

Raptor Witness
Jan 24th, 2007, 7:02 PM
*SIGH* Here we go again with the random images... I'd like to discuss with you better if you weren't citing Star Trek as a quick response. And Pagan heroes? Riiiiight, I do remember saying "I'm a Pagan" just now, yeah? :alcoholic

Seriously, I know that you believe in the end times at this point, you've made it clear (...well almost lol), I just casually said not everyone does, calm down.
The military industrial complex will make this place uninhabitable before long. They should save our money, writing reports on how they can kill us a little faster. Murder is their only motive.

Raptor Witness
Jan 24th, 2007, 7:13 PM
Well here's where things get interesting to me.
I too am a Christian, and believe that we are in the "end of the Age"-
it is both biblical, everything we are experiencing right now ( if you compare what's happening in our world today against the scriptures you will find eeerily similar prophecies)
Coincidence?
My own personal opinion on that would have to be a resounding no,
although I am by no means a bible scholar I just see toooo many reasons to believe, rather than to disbelieve.
So does that mean we do nothing to help our earth?
No, I don't believe that would be right either-
So-
As for me, I live everyday as a blessed event, one more day to plant flowers, see the sunshine, talk to my family, have love and give love-
But I have to admit I am bitterly sad at the way that things have been handled ( our government-especially Bush)
What makes me sad is here was a man that could have/ and should have looked at the state of our Earth alot harder instead of at his and his buddies pocketbooks.
Just my 2 cents worth. :prin:
A very beautiful way of putting it. I'm more angry. I've reached the end of my rope with my government. This evil is unquenchable. The Pentagon drinks blood like the temples and altars of the Mayans. Millions and millions of unborn children are sacrificed to the god of convenience. It's a bloody, filthy empire that Jesus will destroy. Anyone who wishes to save himself should repent, because the times of the Gentiles are over, and it won't matter what "report" the goats issue. Their hoofprints are all over the destruction of the earth. We don't need a "report" to tell us that.

Stabby Joe
Jan 25th, 2007, 9:43 AM
Besides, this report was written years ago, common sense should say likewise at this point...

lady-t
Jan 25th, 2007, 3:22 PM
i read the report and it did make some valid points. however a lot of what they put in hasn't happened so far. the comment on how many people the earth could actually support was an excellent point. i think the world is almost to that limit without any major climatic catastrophe. rioting will be huge, looting is a given, and murder in the streets is probably a real close reality, as well as mass migration of inhospitable areas to more temperate climates. which will in turn create a whole new set of problems for the people already in those areas.

Protostar
Jan 30th, 2007, 5:05 PM
I think I have figured out why there is such a thing as Climate Change VS Global Warming. Global warming is an answer to the people who don't understand about cycles of the earth. You can't explain to people that the earth has it's own agenda and no matter what we humans do, we can't change that. People are so much more inclined to believe a lie <it's easier on the palate'> so, here we are smack dab in the middle of this. So, as hammerfall has stated in a tune, as long as I remember, we marched across this land, reach for the new horizon, despite the killing hand.....
We gotta work this one out individually. Learn meteorology so you can see what is coming. If you don't you'll end up in line with everyone else. Let's hope we have a few more years to work on our shelters..Think it's crazy? think again..