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Skynet12
Feb 20th, 2007, 5:34 AM
What is your personally favoured operating platform/system?

Jupiter
Feb 20th, 2007, 6:51 AM
I don't think you were around Skynet but you missed an amazing computer era! The birth of modern day micro-computing! Allow me to go retro for a moment here, but my favourite operating system was ROM based Acorn OS, running on the BBC computers since 1982. The computer runs at 2 Mhz approximately, and within 1 second of switching on, the command prompt is there flashing and running and at your service. Nice and simple.

Now, with computers theoretically at least thousand times faster, they can take up to a 100 times longer to switch on! (Of course, random disc access speeds have not increased as much as processor speeds). So that was my favourite OS. Now with all our power - its just a shame that things have become so slow (I am aware of the reasons), and in some cases, more complex and frustrating.

In our local library, for internet access, you have to wait 3 MINUTES after logging in before the computer is running for your use. (Eg you book a 1/2 hr sessions, you only get about 26.5 minutes of actual time, 1 hr, 56.5 minutes etc). All of what I have typed is in all seriousness - of modern day operating systems I find that Windows XP with the configuartion I have, is powerful, but at the end of the day, I am not always happy with my computing experience. They say Vista may be the last of the franchise. I am working on ideas for a self-aware OS to compete with Windows, but I admit today, for now at least, it may be beyond the realms of my abilities. But I'll keep working on it matey!!

lazserus
Feb 20th, 2007, 12:41 PM
Jupiter, you're misunderstanding how computing works. Your 2MHz processor could only perform basic and simplistic operations. Today's operating systems require more from a computer because they can perform BILLIONS more operations than a computer from 1982 could. The machine you're boasting about isn't nifty at all. Actually, it's not a whole lot more powerful than a modern scientific calculator. It's practically useless to perform modern operations. The BBC may still use it (doubtful for anything useful) but there isn't much at all that can be done with it.

The reason your library computers are slow is because A.) there's no one maintaining them and B.) because their network is constantly overloaded. It's like that all over the world. And when the hell did everyone get into such an awful hurry? All my computers boot up in 30 seconds.

DontBeAfraid
Feb 20th, 2007, 2:23 PM
Ill be switching to vista just as soon as a certain software I use is completely ready for it. It is one fine looking OS.

I do love the mac commercials though.

Skynet12
Feb 21st, 2007, 2:40 AM
I don't think you were around Skynet but you missed an amazing computer era! The birth of modern day micro-computing! Allow me to go retro for a moment here, but my favourite operating system was ROM based Acorn OS, running on the BBC computers since 1982. The computer runs at 2 Mhz approximately, and within 1 second of switching on, the command prompt is there flashing and running and at your service. Nice and simple.

Now, with computers theoretically at least thousand times faster, they can take up to a 100 times longer to switch on! (Of course, random disc access speeds have not increased as much as processor speeds). So that was my favourite OS. Now with all our power - its just a shame that things have become so slow (I am aware of the reasons), and in some cases, more complex and frustrating.

In our local library, for internet access, you have to wait 3 MINUTES after logging in before the computer is running for your use. (Eg you book a 1/2 hr sessions, you only get about 26.5 minutes of actual time, 1 hr, 56.5 minutes etc). All of what I have typed is in all seriousness - of modern day operating systems I find that Windows XP with the configuartion I have, is powerful, but at the end of the day, I am not always happy with my computing experience. They say Vista may be the last of the franchise. I am working on ideas for a self-aware OS to compete with Windows, but I admit today, for now at least, it may be beyond the realms of my abilities. But I'll keep working on it matey!!

I still use a BBC! Theres 2 at school! Course they arnt connected, but their good for a laugh!

Jupiter, use hibernate! Boots in seconds!

Laz, the BBC use Macs now.

Mine boots in about a minute, but thats only cos its filled with startup crap! :2thumbs:

Macs rule! Vists dosnt look much different though. There was a program on c4 the other night about vista. 87% of people in the country voted against buying it. What is new on Vista apart from security etc...

MaximumPain
Feb 21st, 2007, 5:55 AM
Ill be switching to vista just as soon as a certain software I use is completely ready for it. It is one fine looking OS.

I do love the mac commercials though.

Have you looked at the requirements?
1 GHz 32-bit (x86) or 64-bit (x64) processor

1 GB of system memory

40 GB hard drive with at least 15 GB of available space

Support for DirectX 9 graphics with:

WDDM Driver

128 MB of graphics memory (minimum)

Pixel Shader 2.0 in hardware

32 bits per pixel

DVD-ROM drive

Audio Output

Its a hog and what does it give you that XP dosent?
My advice would be to wait at least a year before getting any new OS there are allways bugs when these things come out. After a year or maby 2 years check the net to see what problems/ complants there are . Also I believe Microsoft low balled those requirements.

lazserus
Feb 21st, 2007, 8:11 PM
Max, check out the quote I used in this (http://forums.armageddononline.org/showpost.php?p=141280&postcount=3) post. Old Windows developers are saying it's a piece of junk. This poll is a bit excessive. Anyone that votes for Win3.1 or 95 should be repeatedly kicked in the testicles. Windows 95 has got to be the absolute worst operating system every developed. I suppose Win98 stood at its side. Win98SE was much better than the first release. Win95 and Win98SE were significantly different, so they shouldn't be grouped together.

DontBeAfraid
Feb 21st, 2007, 11:36 PM
MaxPain... my computer is beautiful! It can man-handle vista. Its also a very very smooth looking OS and as soon as it supports all that I use Im switching to it.

fyi there is a way to do a full clean install with just an upgrade copy.

Skynet12
Feb 22nd, 2007, 2:33 AM
Max, check out the quote I used in this (http://forums.armageddononline.org/showpost.php?p=141280&postcount=3) post. Old Windows developers are saying it's a piece of junk. This poll is a bit excessive. Anyone that votes for Win3.1 or 95 should be repeatedly kicked in the testicles. Windows 95 has got to be the absolute worst operating system every developed. I suppose Win98 stood at its side. Win98SE was much better than the first release. Win95 and Win98SE were significantly different, so they shouldn't be grouped together.

Yeah! Go laz! I still use SE! (as a tertiary system) I put them together becasue they were what many people say arealike. i dont agree thye were grouped, but it was for speeeeed i grouped em'! Nevertheless, i dont agree with you on 95. Are you speaking from a point of view then or now? becasue the introduction of the taskbar with 95 and other various features it included set the ball going for modern operating platforms. Now it may seem like a tonne o' shit- but if i can get it to run on my 3.1 laptop, Im sure gonna be happy! However, i do agree with you on the 3.1 remark!

Jupiter
Feb 22nd, 2007, 8:01 AM
Jupiter, you're misunderstanding how computing works. Your 2MHz processor could only perform basic and simplistic operations. Today's operating systems require more from a computer because they can perform BILLIONS more operations than a computer from 1982 could. The machine you're boasting about isn't nifty at all. Actually, it's not a whole lot more powerful than a modern scientific calculator. It's practically useless to perform modern operations. The BBC may still use it (doubtful for anything useful) but there isn't much at all that can be done with it.

The reason your library computers are slow is because A.) there's no one maintaining them and B.) because their network is constantly overloaded. It's like that all over the world. And when the hell did everyone get into such an awful hurry? All my computers boot up in 30 seconds.



Well I disagree with just about everything you said, that's all. I tell you why I'm in a hurry - there's queues everywhere. It's not unusual to phone a company and wait five minutes for an answer - the bigger the company the longer. To go to the library and wait 3 minutes for activation is ridiculous, utterly ridiculous. There's no huge overload in there, there's only 10 terminals anyway. At any one time, the most will be about 2 of the terminals simultaneously on YouTube. It takes 3 minutes to start even if you're the only one in there. It's just the best that the government contractors are capable of. The 6502-microprocessor is capable of a heck of a lot, actually.

DontBeAfraid
Feb 22nd, 2007, 8:33 AM
Uh no.... Public computers run like crap becasue they arent maintained... Like Laz said.

It takes less than 20 seconds for my computer to go from no power to me posting garbage on AO. Why? Because I feed the beast that is my computer. I dont allow in anything that would otherwise hinder performance.

The processors from twenty years ago arent fit to power my watch. hell, my PDA is about 100 times more powerful than my first dos box.

Skynet12
Feb 26th, 2007, 2:49 AM
lets just agree we all have our favourites. I personally am an Acorn fan, but...

Jupiter
Feb 26th, 2007, 3:26 PM
Acorn invented a chip called the ARM microprocessor. ARM stands for "Advanced Risc Machines". RISC stands for "Reduced Instruction Set Computer". Sadly, Acorn went out of business, but the technology developed by Acorn led to the birth of ARM Holdings Plc. This company based in Cherry Hinton UK supplies the greater majority of mobile phone telephony microprocessors throughtout the globe. They are the market leaders. The origination of what I will call the RISC-super chip, was its initial use in the Archimedes micro-computers, which followed on from the BBC Master 128 (series), which itself followed on from the BBC Model B (with 32K).

The evolved technology of ARM Holdings PLC includes chips that can adjust their clock frequency in a flash of a second, to conserve mobile battery power - they are dual-frequency operational. The processors are available in 32-bit version.

The beauty of the ARM chips is that they are small, and they consume low power. The 'RISC' refers to an instruction set - microprocessor level language - that has a much smaller number of operands than the PC-predominant Intel / AMD / etc. chips. Common instructions such as load 'A' with hex FFFFFFFF take only 1 clock cycle to execute - complex operations may take a few more instructions to acheive, but overall a greater amount of work is done by reduction of complexity at the core microprocessor level. Hence a 1 Ghz low-power ARM chip will work much faster (overall) than a 1 Ghz Intel chip. Since ARM is not currently available at >4GHz, the result is that the Intel / AMD chips etc. can yield faster results, but they do so less efficiently, and furthermore conservation of rechargable battery life is an important issue in the design and manufacture of quality mobile phones.

Perfectionist
Feb 26th, 2007, 3:32 PM
You learn something everyday ! :D

Skynet12
Feb 27th, 2007, 4:08 AM
I must admit, you gotta point about the modern cpu architectures and buses being far less economical with resources. Thats the beuty of Linux- if u have a gig of ram, you have a gig of ram. Not 600 with the rest being eaten by the 27 or so processes windows needs to run.

Jupiter
Feb 27th, 2007, 2:47 PM
I haven't tried Linux, but that certainly sounds much more efficient. I stand by my Acorn posts but I've come round to understanding Lazserus' thinking too - Lazserus is quite right that the modern day computers are so much more powerful, but that just makes it seem all the weirder when the library computers take so long to switch on. Like Laz says, clearly there are no proper maintenance, or its a big bugger to maintain systems that don't run correctly to start with.

By the way - UK gov gets charged many billions for their "database" software. How hard do you think it is to write a database program? And latest I heard the contractors are in the throse of going bust - even with their invoices for billions of quid. (And I heard a rumour that the program crashes anyhow!:nudge: ) Something very not clever going on there I think !

Has anyone got a chance yet to access Vista? I've only seen the promo-video - seemed quite impressive I thought.

DontBeAfraid
Feb 27th, 2007, 5:30 PM
I have vista and it is nice... I dont use it yet though because certain apps that I need dont yet like it.

lazserus
Mar 4th, 2007, 11:40 PM
EVERY computer has its own "behavior." While irrational, it's true and anyone that's owned a computer more than 2 years can vouch. Jupiter can boast about the efficiency of his prehistoric and useless machine. He can raise hell about MS Windows efficiency in his library. Fine.

ALL is based on personal experience and not global. 400 million people disagree with Jupiiter. Speed is relative and I can boot 4 machines in less than 60 seconds. I'm no god, I just know what I'm doing with my own machines. Public computers are NOT templates for modern PCs. Jupiter, you can keep your Apple 2E and get back to me when you're able to build a SQL database on your machine, plus run Oblivion, and perform day-to-day functions.

Nastolgia is limited to reality, my friend. I, too miss the dats of modem-to-modem play with Duke Nukem, but that time is gone. Get over the hump and accept now. And bitching about library computers is like saying a fastfood place made bad burgers.

Skynet12
Mar 5th, 2007, 2:53 AM
School's downgraded back to XP cos Vista was just a buncha widgets and gimmicks.

Linux rules!

Jupiter
Mar 5th, 2007, 9:39 AM
EVERY computer has its own "behavior." While irrational, it's true and anyone that's owned a computer more than 2 years can vouch. Jupiter can boast about the efficiency of his prehistoric and useless machine. He can raise hell about MS Windows efficiency in his library. Fine.

ALL is based on personal experience and not global. 400 million people disagree with Jupiiter. Speed is relative and I can boot 4 machines in less than 60 seconds. I'm no god, I just know what I'm doing with my own machines. Public computers are NOT templates for modern PCs. Jupiter, you can keep your Apple 2E and get back to me when you're able to build a SQL database on your machine, plus run Oblivion, and perform day-to-day functions.

Nastolgia is limited to reality, my friend. I, too miss the dats of modem-to-modem play with Duke Nukem, but that time is gone. Get over the hump and accept now. And bitching about library computers is like saying a fastfood place made bad burgers.

Well I like the good ol' BBC Basic. But I'm in luck - apparently on the internet there is a downloadable programming suite called "BBC Basic for Windows". The blurb claims that I can write full-scale Windows applications for PCs in BBC Basic!! Yippee. If true, I hope they develop it further for Vista.

Skynet12
Mar 6th, 2007, 5:05 AM
This is my msn name:

'Windows vista? More like Backdoor Blister!'

DontBeAfraid
Mar 6th, 2007, 7:53 AM
I hope they develop it further for Vista.Why? It seems like a skill that would be quite useless to sharpen.... Is the nostalgia really so great that you would waste your time with this?

lazserus
Mar 6th, 2007, 9:08 PM
It's simple: Vista is crap. Aside from the core requirements to run it, it's nearly like installing Linux on your system and trying to perform day-to-day functions. No worky! I have no personal experience with the OS, but I've read enough and know plenty of those that have used it to know it's a bane.

DontBeAfraid
Apr 11th, 2007, 1:09 AM
ok guys... I have been running vista business for about two weeks. I fucking love this OS. It was a bitch gathering all the drivers I needed but they were slowly released and they work well. The super mega confirmations required to do most things was irritating at first but its fading to the background. Also, even when logged in as the administrator it doesnt run programs as the administrator unless you specifically set it to run as an administrator in each prgrom.... Thats easy enough if you go to the properties in its shortcut. It also takes slightly longer to load.

Thats the bad; the good:
DX9 L -- actually runs DX9 progs faster than DX9 C from windows XP.
DX10, now I just need a mega card.

beautiful interface. its like half 3d and you can click on a little icon and it will "stack" all your open windows including the desktop background kinda like a bunch of glass panes and you can click on any of the pains and it brings it to the front. Also the thumbnails it builds for open apps on the taskbar are realtime! I hit the minus button on windows explorer and hover the mouse over the button on the taskbar and a little window pops up showing me whats on there.

The sidebar is also amazing. I got a clock and the weather in there. Ok thats not that impressive but it certainly adds to it. It also blocks drivers that are not compatible and searches for updates on its own

378

Skynet12
Apr 12th, 2007, 12:50 PM
Right,

Iv'e been on a Vista laptop and I must admit there are one or two features I wouldn't mind for myself. However, I would not by it. For example. I was once in a decision over whether to buy dance e-jay 7 or 5. Now, I already had 6 but wanted to extend my possibilities. And i'm a spoilt lil' brat. Anyway, Dance 's comments on amazon all told that the samples were crap. So, being me, i decided to download the 50meg demo. It was good. It had many features I would absolutly love in dance 6. They were all just little things, but, like the clock on vista, could maybe come in handy. So, I decided to get it. THEN, i looked back at dance 5's demo and realised just how crap dance 7's samples were. I didnt get it. It had a cpu meter, 7 digital instruments, 99recording tracks, and much more. Hell, it even had 5000 samples. Crap samples. Which is why Iv'e ended up getting dance 5. Sure, it's going back in time to the world of the half-decent intel chip, but, who cares? It has half of what 7 does, BUT it has VERY good samples.
If your'e still with me, basically what im trying to say before you all get yer bakewell tarts out and quote on how 'dynamic' I'm being here, is that vista is good in its own right, but when compared to the others lacks much of the basic ease of functionality of earlier OS. Now, where'd i put by masking tape?:wink:


P.s- I just brought a 2gig mem stick for a tenner (About $21). Why have they dropped so in the previous months? Is it increased demand or increased crappiness. Oh, yeah, and check out my profile web address link to utube if your'e after a hearty jove!

Put fourth helloingly, Skynet12

DontBeAfraid
Apr 12th, 2007, 3:06 PM
OK, its not quite as smooth of an operation as XP had become for me... But it IS the future, like it or not, you will eventually own it or at least be forced to use it. Its security feature is about a grand times that of the old one. Hell, without special knowledge you cant log on as THE Administrator, even with a fresh install on a new computer that you are the only person to ever touch.... you can log on as a member the the lower case adminstrator group but it takes a little more to be the Admin.... Any system changes have to be approved and this thing is way more intelligent with drivers... It will disable anything that might cause problems and add it to a list that it looks for fixes to every day... when it finds the fix or it become available it lets you know.

Everything is way more intuitive now as well(except for finding the Admin account, thats much harder, consequently that makes debuging in developement environments harder too). I mean, I am really likeing this OS

MapMan
Apr 17th, 2007, 5:28 AM
Acorn invented a chip called the ARM microprocessor. ARM stands for "Advanced Risc Machines". RISC stands for "Reduced Instruction Set Computer". Sadly, Acorn went out of business, but the technology developed by Acorn led to the birth of ARM Holdings Plc. This company based in Cherry Hinton UK supplies the greater majority of mobile phone telephony microprocessors throughtout the globe. They are the market leaders. The origination of what I will call the RISC-super chip, was its initial use in the Archimedes micro-computers, which followed on from the BBC Master 128 (series), which itself followed on from the BBC Model B (with 32K).

The evolved technology of ARM Holdings PLC includes chips that can adjust their clock frequency in a flash of a second, to conserve mobile battery power - they are dual-frequency operational. The processors are available in 32-bit version.

The beauty of the ARM chips is that they are small, and they consume low power. The 'RISC' refers to an instruction set - microprocessor level language - that has a much smaller number of operands than the PC-predominant Intel / AMD / etc. chips. Common instructions such as load 'A' with hex FFFFFFFF take only 1 clock cycle to execute - complex operations may take a few more instructions to acheive, but overall a greater amount of work is done by reduction of complexity at the core microprocessor level. Hence a 1 Ghz low-power ARM chip will work much faster (overall) than a 1 Ghz Intel chip. Since ARM is not currently available at >4GHz, the result is that the Intel / AMD chips etc. can yield faster results, but they do so less efficiently, and furthermore conservation of rechargable battery life is an important issue in the design and manufacture of quality mobile phones.

Thats exactly what I was taught at school!