Don't Believe in Ghosts, but...

[Milora]

I'm rational. I've seen it, felt it, licked it. I've been a ghost chaser since before my...anyhow, I tend to be able to make any paranormal situation go away. As much as I refute what I witness, I just can't deny it forever. I've moved around the country a bit (U.S.) and everywhere I go there seems to be some aggressive entity. It's really disorienting to me and pisses me off. Temperatures rise and drop in remote areas, doors close (not slam, you freaks), and I think someone is watching me sleep.

I don't believe in ghosts or goblins. I don't believe in the devil or even that he selects demons to torment my sleep. It's 2007, not 1107. I'm curious if anyone has some RATIONAL insight on the matter. I do NOT want to hear any similar stories. Don't think of yourself, but my question as it applies to me.

[RavenWhitefang]

Temperatures rise and drop in remote areas, doors close (not slam, you freaks), and I think someone is watching me sleep.



Perhaps there is a fan on? Doors close because they are not level. And do you have any pets that sleep in the same room with you?

[Milora]

I'm allergic, so no pets reside with me. Good question. I think I've covered any possibility, but I'm always willing to hear otherwise.

[Britannia]

If there are such things as ghosts, I believe they are just 'rips' in time, and events that happened in the past, have simply been replayed in our time. There have been many cases of things that have happened in the past, replay themselves years later. There are huge clouds of time out in space that are about 10,000 times larger than our known solar system.

[lycanox]

Actually most cases are crisis apparitions, Transitional apparitions and poltergeists.
Replay haunting are rear, and mostly repeat their apparition only two or three times before dissipating.

[Smoke]

I also agree with lycanox i think theyre time apparations but i still beleive in ghosts...ive seen some cool stuff on that most haunted show.

[Cartesiantheater]

Back when I was a Christian and believed in demons and all that shit, I use to "see" and "hear" things too...

Predictably, when I turned to reason and science as the compass for what I believe, these "demons" just sort of vanished... no more strange noises, no more apparations in the corner of my eye...

Thus, I conclude that I only thought I witnessed things because my mind expected them. They were never there; my brain made either them up, or made more out of a physical happening (like a door closing).

Your brain is making a large part of it up, and the things that actually do happen are just normal physical phenomena that you interpret as abnormal because you already expect them to be abnormal.
...either that or you suffer from schizophrenia...

There, hows that for rational?:headbang:

ps

I do NOT want to hear any similar stories. Don't think of yourself, but my question as it applies to me.
In order to make the point that you are making it up in your own head, I felt I had to mention the fact that my "phenomena" convieniently disappeared as soon as I stopped believing in fairy tales... so maybe you just haven't completely let go of all that... or again, you suffer from dellusional hallucinations...

[medicvet]

Yes, I believe in the unexplained, and if you want to call that ghosts, well, I believe in them too.

[time]

Maybe what you need is a good sense of humor. Obviously, the "energy" or skinless individual/ or individuals playing these little pranks on you do it because they get a kick out of your frustration. Try lauphing about it.

[Milora]

Back when I was a Christian and believed in demons and all that shit, I use to "see" and "hear" things too...

Predictably, when I turned to reason and science as the compass for what I believe, these "demons" just sort of vanished... no more strange noises, no more apparations in the corner of my eye...

Thus, I conclude that I only thought I witnessed things because my mind expected them. They were never there; my brain made either them up, or made more out of a physical happening (like a door closing).

Your brain is making a large part of it up, and the things that actually do happen are just normal physical phenomena that you interpret as abnormal because you already expect them to be abnormal.
...either that or you suffer from schizophrenia...
I appreciate the prognosis here, but that's far from the reality. What you discuss is a standard template that profilers tend to base their diagnoses on. I don't suffer from schizophrenia, and even if I did I would be most likely far from capable of responding to these threads. Schizophrenia seems to be this common out for the uninformed. Although I do enjoy educated responses.

I'm not hallucinating, I'm not mentally disabled, nor am I reacting to any form of medication. I'm a social scientist. I rely on recordable truth. After these responses I regret even bringing this up.

[jmanja88]

I don't suffer from schizophrenia, and even if I did I would be most likely far from capable of responding to these threads.

you obviously dont know what schizophrenia is.

no one here will have the awnsers your looking for, try lookin in your self for the awnsers to your questions.

[Cartesiantheater]

I appreciate the prognosis here, but that's far from the reality. What you discuss is a standard template that profilers tend to base their diagnoses on. I don't suffer from schizophrenia, and even if I did I would be most likely far from capable of responding to these threads. Schizophrenia seems to be this common out for the uninformed. Although I do enjoy educated responses.

I'm not hallucinating, I'm not mentally disabled, nor am I reacting to any form of medication. I'm a social scientist. I rely on recordable truth. After these responses I regret even bringing this up.

Well, what prognosis could you expect? It CAN'T be that these things are REAL because that's utter rubbish. I don't think you have schizophrenia. I was just saying that either your brain expects these things and so makes them, or you've got some hullinating disorder.. or.. extremely unlikely... you just happen to by random chance to be around hard to explain NATURAL phenomena.

I can't help but say its completely natural phenomena. Since I assume you agree with that, the only things I could think of are what I listed. However, I could easily be missing something.

[Milora]

You're right. It may be stress. I'm not actually seeing anything. It's just a feeling I have. I don't wake up and my dishes are thrown around the kitchen or anything.

[mysticalzoe]

Well I do believe in ghosts I have seen them, full out apparations, I'm not schizo either. Far from it actually. I too have experinced things move on there own, I have things thrown at me, like I said i have seen apparations. I have seen a colonial woman, a child, a woman who stands on my stairs, men, heard voices have doors slammed on me, the works. This all started when I was 5 years old, I was moved into a house where polgergeist activity was active, I remember seeing things move on their own right in front of us, I saw my first "ghost" in that house, my Mother the same "ghost" in that house, and her boyfriend refused to stay in the house alone. We left after 1 month because the activity of the house was so bad. It basically runs in my family, we have all seen or dealt with something at one point in our lives, some more then others.

By the the original poster was right about having schizo(sp) my SIL who is a regiatered nurse, had to deal with a patient with schizo, she said the woman was way out there, she was in a mental institution because she couldn't function in the real world, she also went through 5 different personalities while my SIL was there went from being friendly, to be hostile, to being scared, she said the woman was completely out of her mind.

I think telling someone they my be a schizo is a complete cope out to what they are seeing and feeling. Yes, i think what they may be dealing with is paranormal. I mean how can this site have a paranormal thread and not believe in ghosts?:ghost:

[Milora]

It's nice to know I'M not bad, but you may need to consider the yarn factory. The minute, but unexplainable instances I've experienced have been quite subtle and mostly psychological. Your visions of colonial women on your steps is most likely psychological or a complete fib. The human mind is a very complicated and extravagantly powerful organ. If you want to believe something enough, your mind will make it happen. There are a substantial number of cases where delusional people see things or people they want to see.

To push medical diagnosis or prognosis aside, if you truly see and experience such obvious and phenomenal paranormal activities, you would have gone to the media long before. If you provided a genuine home for the apparent and obvious activity which paranormal investigators have been seeking for over a century, you would hold the Holy Grail in your palm. But seeing you're either being philosophical, or lying through your face, there's no need to indulge. Cheers!

[jffff]

What the world calls ghosts are actually alien consciousness' - they have been watching us and living in our midsts since the beginning of time.

They pull themselves through from one place to another as they seek out CONSCIOUSNESS in the unniverse and on planets ... very like we search the skies with telescopes.

When your asleep its alot easier for them to pull themselves using your pysche through the distances - What they are doing here is anyones guess - why they come here etc .... I personally think that we get alot of ideas from these entities and that there are MANY different types of aliens doing it.

They cant harm you - unless they pull themselves through into your body where you body becomes the host the container for their energy - very rare and due to this rarity - obviously very hard to do .. the adepts would be able to it only..!

Ive had this type of thing for all my life .. you just have to live with it ... i also get the impression or used to that i was being watched whilst i as asleep.

good luck .. and enjoy it i guess is the way forward .... why they choose some poeple is curious .. but its probably because your mind is OPEN more than others .. its easier for them to get into your consciousness and to use it.

[Ningishiddza]

Well, what prognosis could you expect? It CAN'T be that these things are REAL because that's utter rubbish.

Why can't they be real, or be a real phenomena? I've had general officers tell me they've seen ghosts. I've heard ghosts talking on a volumetric alarm in a building a half-mile away. I've also stood with two other people listening to a ghost talk on a telephone to a ghost in another office in the same building while two people listened in there. There's a lot of things about space, time and energy that we don't understand and it could very well be linking with ghosts/ghost-like things.

[Cartesiantheater]

Why can't they be real, or be a real phenomena? I've had general officers tell me they've seen ghosts. I've heard ghosts talking on a volumetric alarm in a building a half-mile away. I've also stood with two other people listening to a ghost talk on a telephone to a ghost in another office in the same building while two people listened in there. There's a lot of things about space, time and energy that we don't understand and it could very well be linking with ghosts/ghost-like things.

Yeah, and half of my friends tell me that God talks to them everday...

Tell you what...

Why don't these Ghost sitings (and miracles, and every other paranormal activity) EVER happen in public places in big cities, or around scientists or skeptics, or where they can be witnessed by thousands of intelligent, critical thinkers?

I got one...

It's BULLSHIT...

Sure, Ning, it COULD happen. It's not IN PRINCIPLE logically impossible... but there could also be an invisible pink elephant standing behind you right now giving you the finger... and you'd never know...

Point is, there's no reason at all for me to believe they exist. There's no credible evidence, no credible witnesses, nothing. But there IS reason to believe the the laws of the universe are self contained and behave in very predictible ways (even quantum mechanics follows the laws of probability)- and that there is no "magic." Might as well say evolution is a farce and the animals were put there by the hand of God.

[lycanox]

Why can't they be real, or be a real phenomena? I've had general officers tell me they've seen ghosts. I've heard ghosts talking on a volumetric alarm in a building a half-mile away. I've also stood with two other people listening to a ghost talk on a telephone to a ghost in another office in the same building while two people listened in there. There's a lot of things about space, time and energy that we don't understand and it could very well be linking with ghosts/ghost-like things.

There are several problems with your theory.

A: there are plenty of ghost of people still living.

B: If there was time traveling involved. The person that has been seen must have time traveled. If mass time traveling is involved. We must have heard more about it.
I think people do notice when their suddenly on an other place and time looking in the face of an startled human.

C: electronics can do really odd things. Our phone for instance has the tendency to call itself. There is also the possibility of picking up the phone while someone else is already using it, so you can hear their conversation. It could even be just static noice. Our brain has the tendency to hear voices and recognize faces in the weirdest places.

D: Buildings can reflect and amplify sounds from another location and make it sound like the conversation of 2 people in the street is actually taking place in the attic.

Personally I believe ghosts are the results of yet unknown or known forces that work on our brain and surroundings. There is no entity and its as lifeless as lightning or rain.
The fact that the events has been seen by many people and scientists individually of each other over the entire length of human history, proves that it is an real phenomenon. Unfortunately humans have the bad habit of pointing towards some obscure god or other bizarre explanations before they just admit that the current scientific development isn't enough to explain everything. Thus scaring scientist away, because studying something in the weird kind damages their reputation.


Why don't these Ghost sitings (and miracles, and every other paranormal activity) EVER happen in public places in big cities, or around scientists or skeptics, or where they can be witnessed by thousands of intelligent, critical thinkers?
They do. This usually result in either the same treatment as an sighting in an country town. Get either dismissed with an incorrect theory, or get explained after years of hard work of the scientist involved.