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It's hard to believe there's no chimp on your shoulder about evolution when 3/4 of your post in a topic, completely unrelated to evolution, was an attack on the theory. I think you just contradicted yourself.

Thanks for the bible studies, paul...but they proved nothing. Majority of what you quoted supports no scientifict theory. The quotes are things man knew from simple observation and common sense. Science is what explained the phenomena later. This by no means proves anything.

I love how you say:

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>It's important to distinguish between what science KNOWS and what science THEORIZES.[/quote]

Because only a fool believes he knows anything. Science is ALL theory, none fact. The term "scientific fact" is a word used by a person with little knowledge of science itself. Which shows that there is no distinction between your so-called theory and fact, they are there same. Now, you can mention there is a difference between theory and hypothesis. That would make more sense. I'm not going to make a long off-topic post arguing against your semantics, because I'm not going to sway from the topic at hand. However, semantics are vey important when making the accusations you make. I'm not twisting your words, I'm asking you questions using your words and I'm also using your own words against you.

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>God proceeded to form the man out of dust from the ground [/quote]

Gee, that sounds like nonliving matter being formed into living matter to me. Even by god's hand. How can you argue this? Your bible even says that man was made from dust and the SAME simple components that make up everything else in the universe (which was an argument I was making before and you were refuting.)

Oh, and warning from a moderator, your posts are getting too long and too off-topic. We're going to start cutting them or deleting them if they continue too long or completely off topic. Read the TOS in the Agreements forum for more information.

LOL, there is zero scientific evidence for a worldwide flood paul. Now Im tired of typing.

>That's BS Paul!! What's it doing in your post???

Try being a bit more specific Dutchie.

>that was a long post. Even for you paul.

Who cares?

>Normally I don't mind your posts but that is too long for >me to be bothered reading.

Then don't bother commenting, mouth.

>How much time do you have to sit around and write >these posts?

Not nearly enough.

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>Then don't bother commenting, mouth.[/quote]

Considering he's a moderator, that gives him plenty of right to comments. As well, you are obligated to follow the TOS if you want to post in this community.

>It's hard to believe there's no chimp on your shoulder >about evolution when 3/4 of your post in a topic, >completely unrelated to evolution, was an attack on >the theory. I think you just contradicted yourself.

Believe what you want. You do anyway.

I'm not attacking the theory, dimwit. I'm pointing out flaws within it.

>Thanks for the bible studies, paul...but they proved >nothing. Majority of what you quoted supports no >scientifict theory. The quotes are things man knew >from simple observation and common sense. Science is >what explained the phenomena later. This by no means >proves anything.

You're not welcome.

Nothing to you because you have your mind made up. I don't understand why you even bother coming to this board when you obviously have your head up your own arse.

The "quotes" were not things men knew from simple observation. If they were, they wouldn't have needed for these to be stated to them as laws (such as the laws regarding hygeine). If you were to actually think about what I posted, many of those things were NOT observable or even knowable by anyone at that time (shape of earth, cycle of water, hare chewing cud and the list goes on and on).

>Because only a fool believes he knows anything. >Science is ALL theory, none fact. The term "scientific >fact" is a word used by a person with little knowledge >of science itself. Which shows that there is no >distinction between your so-called theory and fact, >they are there same. Now, you can mention there is a >difference between theory and hypothesis. That would >make more sense. I'm not going to make a long off->topic post arguing against your semantics, because I'm >not going to sway from the topic at hand. However, >semantics are vey important when making the >accusations you make. I'm not twisting your words, I'm >asking you questions using your words and I'm also >using your own words against you.

You're a moron. Science is NOT all theory. There are proven facts. I went to college, jerk. I studied science. Theories change. Facts do not change. Facts are observation. Theories are concepts, explanations.

You already swayed from the topic at hand.

Continue being a jerkoff, you aren't winning points with me. If you think I'm going to bother sharing my opininos with someone who wants to be a jerk, you can forget it. I'm done talking to you, replying to you, and knowing you. When the end comes, THEN you'll know it all. As it is know, you think you know so much, but the reality is that you don't know s*it!

>Gee, that sounds like nonliving matter being formed into >living matter to me. Even by god's hand. How can you >argue this? Your bible even says that man was made >from dust and the SAME simple components that make >up everything else in the universe (which was an >argument I was making before and you were refuting.)

Not EVEN by God's hand, just simply "by God's hand."

I don't argue it, I support it. We were created individually, not evolved.

I never refuted your argument about everything coming from the dust. I said it wasn't a testable theory in a scientific lab.

>Oh, and warning from a moderator, your posts are >getting too long and too off-topic. We're going to start >cutting them or deleting them if they continue too long >or completely off topic. Read the TOS in the >Agreements forum for more information.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Shut the person up who has something to say. Typical forum.

I don't need to read the TOS, I'm not registered, nor will I be. Congratulations. You win. I'm not coming to the crappy forum any more.

ah, finally we resort to childish criticism

I'm not going to ping-pong childish insults with you, paul. I'm a grown man, not an 8th grader. So, I'll just highlight the fun stuff - there's no need to make you look like an ass, you've done a stupendous job of that yourself.

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>I'm not attacking the theory, dimwit.[/quote]

I was waiting for these. The classic, unintelligent name-calling. I would expect more from a man of such devout faith. Maybe that's the problem, I expect too much intellect and maturity from fundamentalists. Oh well, not my loss.

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>You're not welcome.[/quote]

My 8 yr old cousin says this when she's pouting.

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>I don't understand why you even bother coming to this board when you obviously have your head up your own arse.[/quote]

Spoken like a true holy man. Do all Christians think people don't agree with them and who actually have evidence supporting their own ideas have their heads up their arses? I'm just curious, because I've been getting these comments alot lately.

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>If you were to actually think about what I posted, many of those things were NOT observable or even knowable by anyone at that time (shape of earth, cycle of water, hare chewing cud and the list goes on and on).[/quote]

Well, I'm glad you're not a history professor, because you wouldn't be employed very long. The ancient Greeks knew the Earth was round thousands of years before the birth of Christ. Yes, it was observed. Also, all that you mention is easily observable.

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>You're a moron. Science is NOT all theory. There are proven facts. I went to college, jerk. I studied science. Theories change. Facts do not change. Facts are observation. Theories are concepts, explanations. [/quote]

Spoken like a true college grad. Or did you graduate? Name a single fact. You can't. Because everything that you know today started as a theory long in the past and has been altered to fit observation. Do you even know the meaning of theory? Probably not, because you've shown you don't. A scientific theory is a hypothesis supported by observable and experimental evidence. You probably think I just made that up too, but you'd feel pretty silly when you actually look it up in a dictionary (try a scientific one to be more exact) and find that I know what I'm talking about. Knowing you, you'd probably say the people who wrote that dictionary were morons too.

As everyone sees, paul embarrasses himself and also gives a bad rep for others like him by sinking to personal attacks and childish behavior when he can't logically support his own point. This shows signs of true defeat. I've seen this same thing happen in a number of professional debates between the rational and irrational. When someone actually has a logical challenge to one's fundamentalist beliefs, the opponent hides behind name-calling and personal attacks.

Paul can't handle criticism. He can't handle being challenged. Maybe he would feel more comfortable posting in the hypocrasy topic?

Paul, you sure don't practice what you preach, or represent your faith appropriately. Maybe you should seek Buddha? ;)

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>When the end comes, THEN you'll know it all[/quote]

I'm sure we will. That doesn't mean the end will have anything to do with the antichrist or all the other christian prophecies.

I think you need to calm down paul.

well the thing is if we are dead and there is no after life, god etc then we wont know it because our minds would not exist at all.

It is a concept to help ppl feel that a larger form of justice is out there to deal with the injustices that occur regularly.

The thing is, injustices area a large part of life and no final judge is goint to right the wrongs to even things out.

That still doesn't seem to get ppl to think for themselves and realize that it is simply a concept to dupe those with a lesser sense for recognizing a scam.

We really need to know "WHO" God is no so much what...

Not only can I tell you that God is the Devil I can show you too.

You do well to ask what is God instead of who. God is Love. He is not some man that has love. He is Love.