The Age of Manned Flight as a key indicator for the Great Tribulation

[Raptor Witness]

As many of you already know, I have a deep interest in flying weaponry as a key indicator for the return of Jesus Christ. Up to now I have only laid out bits and pieces of this belief. In this thread I will lay out a larger chunk of my argument.

First and foremost is a very curious prediction or key indicator, which Jesus Christ Himself made, shortly before His death and Resurrection. It's important to look beyond the obvious for meaning, because this was a message to those living in the distant future.

Matthew 24:28 - For wherever the carcass is, there the eagles will be gathered together.

[Here,] as elsewhere in the Bible, vultures and other raptors are used [interchangeably.] What did Jesus mean, but more importantly ... where do you look for such a sign? Do you look on the ground, or in the sky? I think that He meant something all together different than vultures of His day. After all, what occurred immediately after WWII, when air power first demonstrated the ability to make fire come down out of Heaven in the sight of men? Did not the Times of the Gentiles end with the birth of the state of Israel in 1948? Isn't that the "end" that He was really talking about? If so, then Jesus was very accurate in His calculations, for indeed, when men acquired the ability to fly and prey upon other men, the fig tree began to sprout.

[Kohler]

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[RhymnRzn]

After all, what occurred immediately after WWII, when air power first demonstrated the ability to make fire come down out of Heaven in the sight of men?

the Scripture says:

Revelation 13:13

And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,.....

I can see what you mean, and would agree such is a shadow of fulfilment, being the offsprings of death and abominations, however, we are yet to fully come into the time of the last Gentile-heathen dominion of the last time: that concentrated authority has not arrived, but opposing itself, springs out of one of the four dominions. I am of the mind that says the fire being called down is by the lying wonders of the false prophet (Beast-man risen from the earth), in opposition to, or in competition with, the works of the true prophets (who come in the name and word of the Lord Jesus Christ).

I'm sure you have read before about the competition between the prophet Elijah and the prophets of Baal (1 Kings 18:16-40, all a shadow of things to come), when they said whose god that answers by fire, let him be God. All said, what shall be fulfilment will be noted as an act of God and not man.

1 Kings 18:19

Now therefore send, and gather to me all Israel unto mount Carmel, and the prophets of Baal four hundred and fifty, and the prophets of the groves four hundred, which eat at Jezebel's table.

Did not the Times of the Gentiles end with the birth of the state of Israel in 1948? Isn't that the "end" that He was really talking about? If so, then Jesus was very accurate in His calculations, for indeed, when men acquired the ability to fly and prey upon other men, the fig tree began to sprout.

The creation of Israel in 1948 is found to be no more than the political and religious nationalist lot casting of the Nicolaitane Churches, using power afforded to them not of God, but the Mother of Harlots, as the backsliders give their children to the military to be an offering to Moloch. The prophet Daniel describes them together in one word, the false Jews and Pharisee Christians here:

Daniel 11:14

also the robbers of thy people shall exalt themselves to establish the vision; but they shall fall.

The true Israel of God is in Christ Jesus the nation that does not oppose itself, for whom the everlasting kingdom is prepared (coming not with observation, but is presently within you through Christ) when the final dominion is removed without hand: the entrance of the chosen into Jerusalem occurs after the trodding antichrists (2300 days accomplished) departs from the Holy City unto the valley of Megiddo.

[Raptor Witness]

I would agree with some of what you have said, RhymnRzn. What I have learned, is that the great delusion we have been sent, which has fallen upon this last generation, can only be overcome by looking for the false technological miracles of men. One of the key Scriptures, to understanding the actual MOTIVE for the False Prophet's activities is contained within a single verse. Once you understand the False Prophet's motive, then you know where to look for the Prince of the Power of the Air, which Jesus gave in cryptic terms. Why cryptic? Think about it, if He had said that men would one day "fly," how much sooner would they have done so?

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Pay careful attention to what I'm about to show you, because it's a mystery from the Holy Spirit of Truth.

[Revelation 16:13]

13Then I saw three evil spirits that looked like frogs; they came out of the mouth of the dragon, out of the mouth of the beast and out of the mouth of the false prophet. 14They are spirits of demons performing miraculous signs, and they go out to the kings of the whole world, to gather them for the battle on the great day of God Almighty.

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Ask yourself the critical question: What do alien inspired "miracles" have to do with the battle of Armageddon, and the freedom of God's people? Answer this question, and you will know where to find the Prince of the Power of the Air, who is a modern day Horus.

[Daniel 12:4] But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end:
many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.

To "gather for battle" is another way of saying to rally the troops. So how do you "rally the troops" with miracles? This implies that these "miracles" will be used for military ambition. In other words, these miracles are technology presented to the kings of the earth to destroy mankind. Therefore, the greatest source of the weapons of violence on the earth is where you will find the greatest opponent of life.

The evil we face is a delusion, sent to harm all of us, by our own hands. The only way to stop it, is to recognize its existence and debate our partnership. Anything which stands in the way of uncovering the delusion, is part of it.

Lying Alien Wonders = False Miracles = Military Secrets

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What I have learned, is that the great delusion we have been sent, which has fallen upon this last generation, can only be overcome by looking for the false technological miracles of men. One of the key Scriptures, to understanding the actual MOTIVE for the False Prophet's activities is contained within a single verse. Once you understand the False Prophet's motive, then you know where to look for the Prince of the Power of the Air, which Jesus gave in cryptic terms. Why cryptic? Think about it, if He had said that men would one day "fly," how much sooner would they have done so?

Just to let you know, you aren't alone in this idea. I have known about that concept for over 10 years now. Once you look at the nation Israel gathering again in 1948 and then taking Jerusalem in the 6 day war of 1967, you soon realize that it is one of the false prophets lying signs and wonders, at least that is what enlightened me. If you extrapolate that, you begin to see that everything is telling us how close we are to the very end of the age.

Here are some signs for you to consider:

Man lands on the moon.(remember the scripture about sins of the world reaching all the way to the heavens?)

progression from analog radio and tv, to digital communications. Instead of the signal varying in amplitude and anywhere inbetween, it is now 0 or 1, black/white, good/bad.

The very concept of radio communication is comparable to being God like in sending information secretly.

The internet.

The advent that entertainment within the last 20 years is making a comeback. There is nothing new under the sun, which is why old music, tv, movies are being remade over again some 20-30 years later as a routine. Have we run out of ideas?

Population approaching 6.66 billion people.

Satellites send us information similar to God sending us information from the Heavens.

[TC]

Whats most confusing with all this is the amount of different beliefs about the end days, one says its a metaphorical interpretation of Israel, another says its the physical country itself that the Bible speaks of. Who's correct? who's version is the inspired truth of God? I mean you can't have two distinct and separate truths.

[Sammy56]

I mean you can't have two distinct and separate truths.

I'm really tempted to say something about quantum physics and the wave/particle state of an electron here (as waves are particles are separate, yet both can be true, even when applied to one thing) but I shall resist.

However, you make a great point shortround. There are so many versions of the "end times". It seems like every religion or sect (including all the separate Christian denominations) have their own idea which often contradict. They cannot all be correct, yet they all claim they are the truth. The problem lies within Revelations itself. It's my favorite book of the Bible because it uses such complex language and metaphors which can be interpreted so many different ways. But, for that same reason, you have so many different theories as to what it means.

[TC]

Thats my Sammy.LOL although feel free to indulge your passion ( physics).....it wouldn't be any more confusing for me as to end time interpretation, who knows? it may be the absolute truth of God broke down in its simple mathematics, I'm inclined to think it is after all,... numbers and harmonics..., its just beyond our comprehension and grasp.

[Sammy56]

Thats my Sammy.LOL although feel free to indulge your passion ( physics)

Thanks. Physics, though, is much different than logic in some ways. While two seemingly opposite things can be true in physics, such as the dual nature of an electron, it's not true for religious predictions. Either it's going to happen or its not. If I can give the real world anything, it's much easier to understand than the quantum world.

[Cartesiantheater]

Thanks. Physics, though, is much different than logic in some ways. While two seemingly opposite things can be true in physics, such as the dual nature of an electron, it's not true for religious predictions. Either it's going to happen or its not. If I can give the real world anything, it's much easier to understand than the quantum world.

The key word is "seemingly."

The problem is not our theory- it's our mental/visual perspective. We are trying to understand things we weren't designed to.

But yeah... you're right Sammy...

[Sammy56]

The key word is "seemingly."

Exactly why I used the word. The ideas aren't opposite, but our "logic" makes it seem so. But, enough with the physics.

[RhymnRzn]

I would agree with some of what you have said, RhymnRzn. What I have learned, is that the great delusion we have been sent, which has fallen upon this last generation, can only be overcome by looking for the false technological miracles of men. One of the key Scriptures, to understanding the actual MOTIVE for the False Prophet's activities is contained within a single verse. Once you understand the False Prophet's motive, then you know where to look for the Prince of the Power of the Air, which Jesus gave in cryptic terms. Why cryptic? Think about it, if He had said that men would one day "fly," how much sooner would they have done so?

I dunno about saying "cryptic": albeit one would like a pure, un-scrambled frequency that proceeds from God, in the spirit of his Word the unchanged Scriptures, and the living spirit of the Holy Ghost, which is the infallibility of Christ working within our otherwise fallible selves.

The motive of the false prophet can be nothing else but to kill, steal, and destroy all that is of God: being of the mind that if it were possible, even the very elect would be decieved (hence into thinking he were of God, having great power). So, at the root and springing of his manifestation, he will not allow the faith of the name of Christ Jesus, who is made unto us the power and wisdom of God.

Deuteronomy 13:1

If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and giveth thee a sign or a wonder, (2) And the sign or the wonder come to pass, whereof he spake unto thee, saying, Let us go after other gods, which thou hast not known, and let us serve them; (3) Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for the LORD your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul.

Consider this: the false prophet is the one that will give life to the image of the Beast (the image of the man), and the life given to it will be electricity. Humanoid robots, described also in this verse.........

Joel 2:1

Blow ye the trumpet in Zion, and sound an alarm in my holy mountain: let all the inhabitants of the land tremble: for the day of the LORD cometh, for it is nigh at hand; (2) A day of darkness and of gloominess, a day of clouds and of thick darkness, as the morning spread upon the mountains: a great people and a strong; there hath not been ever the like, neither shall be any more after it, even to the years of many generations. (3) A fire devoureth before them; and behind them a flame burneth: the land is as the garden of Eden before them, and behind them a desolate wilderness; yea, and nothing shall escape them. (4) The appearance of them is as the appearance of horses; and as horsemen, so shall they run. (5) Like the noise of chariots on the tops of mountains shall they leap, like the noise of a flame of fire that devoureth the stubble, as a strong people set in battle array. (6) Before their face the people shall be much pained: all faces shall gather blackness. (7) They shall run like mighty men; they shall climb the wall like men of war; and they shall march every one on his ways, and they shall not break their ranks: (8) Neither shall one thrust another; they shall walk every one in his path: and when they fall upon the sword, they shall not be wounded. (9) They shall run to and fro in the city; they shall run upon the wall, they shall climb up upon the houses; they shall enter in at the windows like a thief. (10) The earth shall quake before them; the heavens shall tremble: the sun and the moon shall be dark, and the stars shall withdraw their shining: (11) And the LORD shall utter his voice before his army: for his camp is very great: for he is strong that executeth his word: for the day of the LORD is great and very terrible; and who can abide it?

Now to throw in a few thoughts about the prince of the air: yes I think you are right to mention the history of aviation as a part in parcel with fulfilment, again, as a shadow of the image, as if light is being cast upon the very form of fulfilment (that is soon to come), allowing us to consider with retrospect, if by any means we may recover from this un-toward generation before it's too late. Speaking of such is needful more perhaps for the persons in military (and law), seeing that the time is nigh, so that they better pass this time with fear, using their position with the clear thought that all remaining worldly authority will be enforceably (via mark of the Beast) transfered to the Arch-antichrist at the set time: and not to mention his authority only, but the right to so much as buy and sell will be gone awell.

At the pinnacle of his worldly manifestation, the Beast and the Dragon (Satan kicked out of the presence of the third heaven) will be one, and will accomplish what is written:

Daniel 8:10

And it waxed great, even to the host of heaven; and it cast down some of the host and of the stars to the ground, and stamped upon them. (11) Yea, he magnified himself even to the prince of the host, and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away, and the place of the sanctuary was cast down.

Daniel 11:45

And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him.

This last verse, Daniel 11:45, needs to be interpreted according to the creation account of Genesis 1. To men, he will appear from "above", or on high, but, exalting his tabernacles is really an act of trolling in the foothills of Zion (the third heaven, from whence Satan was previously cast out), being placed between the seas of the waters, one sea being of this world, and the other sea being of the waters of life crystal clear (to men, invisible), even placing his tabernacles in the "open firmament of heaven" (Genesis 1:20, which is the second heaven, as we are presently standing upon the firmament of the first heaven Earth).

[krakatoa]

Just to let you know, you aren't alone in this idea. I have known about that concept for over 10 years now. Once you look at the nation Israel gathering again in 1948 and then taking Jerusalem in the 6 day war of 1967, you soon realize that it is one of the false prophets lying signs and wonders, at least that is what enlightened me. If you extrapolate that, you begin to see that everything is telling us how close we are to the very end of the age.

Here are some signs for you to consider:

Man lands on the moon.(remember the scripture about sins of the world reaching all the way to the heavens?)

progression from analog radio and tv, to digital communications. Instead of the signal varying in amplitude and anywhere inbetween, it is now 0 or 1, black/white, good/bad.

The very concept of radio communication is comparable to being God like in sending information secretly.

The internet.

The advent that entertainment within the last 20 years is making a comeback. There is nothing new under the sun, which is why old music, tv, movies are being remade over again some 20-30 years later as a routine. Have we run out of ideas?

Population approaching 6.66 billion people.

Satellites send us information similar to God sending us information from the Heavens.

About entertainment within the last 20 ears make it a 30years to, last week i had a flash, the where presenting a review of a television station since 30 years, i looked at the clothes and everything else, and i said to my husband, our time is completed, is done. Krakatoa.

[August_Sonereal]

Response to this, we use airplanes to use against other airplanes and against builidings, not other men (yet). (Why on Earth would you spend money on airplanes and bombs just to bomb on person?)

[Sammy56]

Why on Earth would you spend money on airplanes and bombs just to bomb on person?

As long as you don't care about the other people around that person when you drop the bomb, I don't see why not. Not the most efficient energy wise, but if you hit the target, it's a sure fire way to kill them (and many more of course).

[Raptor Witness]

Thanks for the thoughtful remarks, all of you. I wanted to ponder each carefully before replying and have been busy with the recent Atlantis visit to the space station. As some of you already know, I predicted in early May that [the number four] would play a role in NASA's troubles, and indeed this has occurred, and will continue to occur. The plague of significant equipment failures, while hopefully sparing human life, has begun. [See Post 13]
It has been described as an "unprecedented failure" by many close to NASA, for the International Space Station to lose all computer control, including the multiple redundant computer hardware.

[Raptor Witness]

Why would Jesus link His return to the sign of the raptors circling overhead? This was a common sight in ancient times. Unless, it was a cryptic message for our time. That is, when you see men fly and consume one another, then you know that My Kingdom is near. WWII was the first war in which this happened on a large scale, and in 1948 Israel became a nation.

What do Sodom and Egypt have in common with respect to the two witnesses of Revelation? What do they have in common with Jerusalem, where Jesus was crucified? The answer is easy, the Jerusalem where the Antichrist will set up his kingdom will be a new city, not an old one. It will have elements of both Sodom and Egypt and Jerusalem. It will be a "new" Jerusalem, only it will be a false "new" Jerusalem.

The actual "new" Jerusalem comes down out of Heaven, it's not on the ground. It's not a preexisting city. The false copy, which the Devil is always indulging us in, is "new" and it is supported by air power, which is also a copy of the true "New Jerusalem." He's not powerful enough to bring a city down out of Heaven, but he can support one, from it. The shepherds today are looking for the wrong thing AND in the wrong place, because they do not understand that the Devil has already created his own false copy of the "NEW Jerusalem."

Of course we're deceived. The Devil wouldn't have it any other way.

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Wouldn't Skylab have been the original New Jerusalem?

[Raptor Witness]

Wouldn't Skylab have been the original New Jerusalem?

My point to the shepherds today is, you should be looking, not for a false copy on the ground, but a false copy in the sky. Jesus gave us all the clues we needed, if we just pay attention to His words carefully, and examine what amounted to a technological hint.
The Devil is called the Prince of the Power of the Air, because he is trying to copy what only God can do at the end. Jesus warned us not to be deceived, because He said, that when He comes, "it will be like lightning from the East, even unto the West." Wasn't lightning also a common sight in ancient times? What does He mean, from the East to the West? What's so special about that?

Could it be, that Our new home is going to fill up the entire sky, when we look up?
So rejoice, because I have no bad news for those who love the Son of God, and yearn for His Kingdom. Give up one one sin for the coming Kingdom of God. Give up one luxury for the Man who gave His life for you.

[RhymnRzn]

How-do once again Rap-Wit: I had to revisit this thread for some reprise...........

After considering the matter, and that depiction of the outer-space alien, I was dividing Scripture and it seemed good to publish. The Word indicates that the physical opening/entrance/mouth of the bottomless pit is upon earth (Revelation 9:1-2), which is at this present hour locked shut. Whereas one can possibly be dead (in their sins) while they are yet living, being in reserve unto the second death; that such a case be in due time proven: whether or not that soul is from heaven (to return to heaven) or from hell (thus to return to hell), time remains.

It is the manner of the opening of the bottomless pit that I am inditing at this moment: the word describes a great climax of sorts, but, it contains so many aspects, at the start of the great tribulation, that I am only going to make a limited analysis at this turn.

Revelation 6:12

And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; (13) And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. (14) And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. (15) And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; (16) And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: (17) For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

Upon its arrival, there will be a great commotion, forasmuch as the opening of the pit beneath will yeild up with smoke all contained therein: being connected in sequence with the same time as (so in combination with) the thrusting out of Satan and his followers from Holy Zion, a merger of flesh and spirit (through the hearts) into oneness occurs, and the power of the gods/angels displays, even in appearance to men to be from above, or indeed, from outer-space.

I have heard some suggest that these creatures would be enchantable, but we have this Precedence:

Jeremiah 8:17

For, behold, I will send serpents, cockatrices, among you, which will not be charmed, and they shall bite you, saith the LORD.