Who Are The Hosts Of Heaven

[Traveler]

Who Are The Hosts Of Heaven

This is where we start to get into areas that I tend to label as the X Files categories.

This is an area that is avoided because of political correctness, theological sterility and it is also an area where the scriptures tend to get ignored and swept under the carpet because many would prefer that they were not there.

Now we are told that as it was in the days of Noah, so will it be in the last days. Because of this it is a good idea that we take a closer look at the events that transpired here. But to do that we first need to establish who is on the playing field and who are the different parties involved.

Genesis chapter 2

1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.

2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.

Now the question here is the definition of the word host or hosts. This term applies to large groups of living beings that group together in a social order of some sort. The heavens were completed and the earth was completed but what is this host that occupies them?

Now think about this. If life is a result of evolution then it would be practical that it only exist on one small planet in the vastness of the universe because the probability of life actually getting started accidently on its own is so remote it is a statistical impossibility.

But if life is the result of special creation then what is the point of creating a huge universe to only place life on one small planet in the middle of nowhere. If God was to create life on only one world then all he would need is just one solar system. To give it room to expand then perhaps one galaxy at the most, but a whole universe consisting of thousands of galaxies just for life on one solitary planet? Common sense should tell you that God would also create life on other worlds so as to utilize the full potential of his creation.

Hence God referred to all the hosts of heaven.

So lets look at an example of where this word was used in relation to humans to see if we have the correct understanding of it.

Exodus chapter 12

40] Now the sojourning of the children of Israel, who dwelt in Egypt, was four hundred and thirty years.

[41] And it came to pass at the end of the four hundred and thirty years, even the selfsame day it came to pass, that all the hosts of the LORD went out from the land of Egypt.

[42] It is a night to be much observed unto the LORD for bringing them out from the land of Egypt: this is that night of the LORD to be observed of all the children of Israel in their generations.

Here the holy nation of Israel that God had reared for himself from the decedents of Abraham are referred to as a host because of their large number, Which can be shown in the following verses out of the book of numbers.

[45] So were all those that were numbered of the children of Israel, by the house of their fathers, from twenty years old and upward, all that were able to go forth to war in Israel;

[46] Even all they that were numbered were six hundred thousand and three thousand and five hundred and fifty.

[47] But the Levites after the tribe of their fathers were not numbered among them.

Now here is a few verses of prophecy that are due in the future that demonstrate this point that the word host as applied to the hosts of heaven refers to large groups of beings.

Isaiah chapter 24

16 From the uttermost part of the earth have we heard songs, even glory to the righteous. But I said, My leanness, my leanness, woe unto me! the treacherous dealers have dealt treacherously; yea, the treacherous dealers have dealt very treacherously.

( Illuminatie, sometimes referred to as the illuminated ones or shadow governments )

17 Fear, and the pit, and the snare, are upon thee, O inhabitant of the earth.

18 And it shall come to pass, that he who fleeth from the noise of the fear shall fall into the pit; and he that cometh up out of the midst of the pit shall be taken in the snare: for the windows from on high are open, and the foundations of the earth do shake.

19 The earth is utterly broken down, the earth is clean dissolved, the earth is moved exceedingly.

20 The earth shall reel to and fro like a drunkard, and shall be removed like a cottage; and the transgression thereof shall be heavy upon it; and it shall fall, and not rise again.

21 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the LORD shall punish the host of the high ones that are on high, and the kings of the earth upon the earth.

22 And they shall be gathered together, as prisoners are gathered in the pit, and shall be shut up in the prison, and after many days shall they be visited.

23 Then the moon shall be confounded, and the sun ashamed, when the LORD of hosts shall reign in mount Zion, and in Jerusalem, and before his ancients gloriously.


Now the verse of interest is number 21

21 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the LORD shall punish the host of the high ones that are on high, and the kings of the earth upon the earth.

The kings of the earth are men that occupy positions of power and authority over the affairs of men. They are our leadership that have directed the attention of the people away from God and his laws. BUT WHO ARE THE HOST OF THE HIGH ONES. These are not angles or demons or familiar spirits. So who or what are they?

Keep in mind that angles do not make deals with men or enter into agreements with them.

If they are both gathered together and placed in the same prison together then they must be in collaboration with each other and guilty of the same crime that they committed together. That means that the earths leadership must be entering into agreements with beings that are not of this earth. Hence we have talk about the return of the Nephelium. As was the case in Noah’s day.

Now these verses are in the scriptures that have been handed down to us. We can do two things with them. First we can try and explain them away so that we no longer upset the sense of desired reality that we like to hold to or second, we can take it at its face value and accept that this is part of the picture that we are going to have to deal with.

It is also interesting to note that the earth has started to wobble in its orbit. This wobble is starting to become quite noticeable and satellites have been set in orbit to monitor it. For the scriptures to mention that the earth starts to wobble until it rocks to and fro like a drunkard is to give a clue as to the time frame when these events are to occur.

[UVsaturated]

This is a nice topic to discuss.

I am part of the host. The host are part of the world and also the creators of the world. The world itself is not just matter, but more so illusion. Therefore, do not think that it is a great manifest to create the world and come up with the illusion. It is all just a manipulation of the rules for a time as a test and witness for who has power and who does not. The world and universe itself is not of great importance right now.

Hosts, refers to those who are in the world and who also created the world. We are those who are both orchestrating and living out the plan just as you, but have the knowledge of the reasons behind it.

Think of the hosts as you would a person making a party or allowing an agenda to occur for specific groups of people.

[Raptor Witness]

A very interesting topic Traveler, and a really good argument that I was not aware of. Interesting also, who their adversary potentially is at the end of the Times of the Gentiles. The one who becomes very great, but "not by his own power," perhaps? [Dan. 8:24]

As for the Chandler Wobble that you refer to. You are incorrect. The wobble paused for a few weeks following the mammoth earthquake in Indonesia back on Christmas 2004, but it has returned to normal, as evidenced by these two sets of data. [International Earth Rotation Service] and the [United States Naval Observatory]

Here are several translations of the passage that you refer to. It's unusual to see very little variance in these, btw.

[Isaiah 24:21 Parallel Translations]

NASB: So it will happen in that day, That the LORD will punish the host of heaven on high, And the kings of the earth on earth. (NASB ©1995)

GWT: On that day the LORD will punish heaven's armies in heaven and earth's kings on earth.(GOD'S WORD®)

KJV: And it shall come to pass in that day, that the LORD shall punish the host of the high ones that are on high, and the kings of the earth upon the earth.

ASV: And it shall come to pass in that day, that Jehovah will punish the host of the high ones on high, and the kings of the earth upon the earth.

BBE: And in that day the Lord will send punishment on the army of the high ones on high, and on the kings of the earth on the earth.

DBY: And it shall come to pass in that day, that Jehovah will punish the host of the high ones on high, and the kings of the earth upon the earth.

ERV: And it shall come to pass in that day, that the LORD shall punish the host of the high ones on high, and the kings of the earth upon the earth.

JPS: And it shall come to pass in that day, that the LORD will punish the host of the high heaven on high, and the kings of the earth upon the earth.

WBS: And it shall come to pass in that day, that the LORD shall punish the host of the high ones that are on high, and the kings of the earth upon the earth.

WEB: It shall happen in that day that Yahweh will punish the army of the high ones on high, and the kings of the earth on the earth.

YLT: And it hath come to pass, in that day, Jehovah layeth a charge on the host of the high place in the high place, And on the kings of the land on the land.

[Philosopher Foelhe]

Now the question here is the definition of the word host or hosts. This term applies to large groups of living beings that group together in a social order of some sort.

This is an interesting idea, but "host" doesn't always apply to living beings. You can also use host to refer to objects or ideas. So this verse could easily be read as, "Thus the heavens and the earth were completed, and all the things that were in them," without changing anything. Which would make sense, since the previous chapter just discussed all the things God was creating.

If life is a result of evolution then it would be practical that it only exist on one small planet in the vastness of the universe because the probability of life actually getting started accidently on its own is so remote it is a statistical impossibility.

... I don't know if that's true, but okay.

It is also interesting to note that the earth has started to wobble in its orbit.

Really? I hadn't heard of this. Is there some sort of site you could link us to that goes into more detail here?

(Ah, nevermind, RW's got me covered.)

[Raptor Witness]

Another parallel ... [Isaiah 34:5]

For my sword hath drunk its fill in heaven: behold, it shall come down upon [Edom,] AND upon the people of my curse, to judgment.

Since this is clearly an end time event, what many do not understand about this passage is that "Edom" is allegorical here. What God is really saying, is that He is going to destroy the evil twin of Israel. Does an evil twin really exist today? Think about it, because it is the same as the false kingdom of god I have warned you about. When the moon turns to blood, is possibly a key corresponding indicator for this prophecy.

[Traveler]

There are quite a few parallel verses that point to a war in the heavens that eventually have their grand finally here on this earth.

The reason I brought this subject up is because I feel that the time for its fulfillment is drawing close and the subject needs to be brought out into the open so that people can be made aware of it.

Its funny that you should mention that verse our of Issiah. When I first read it many years ago I found it strange that Gods sword would be dripping in blood in the heavens. It was in fact that verse that started me looking deeper until the fuller story started to emerge.

But I have found this a very difficult subject to broach on Christian forums. There is a very strong resistance to it. Unnaturally so!

[Traveler]

In my referance to the earth wobble

Really? I hadn't heard of this. Is there some sort of site you could link us to that goes into more detail here?

(Ah, nevermind, RW's got me covered.)

Back in the early 70's I was a member of my schools astronomy club and gained a good idea of the night sky, at least in the southern hemisphere. One of the most predominant features was the southern cross. It is used for navigation and always points south.

You can imagine my surprise when in the 90's I look out my window and it is pointing east/ west. It only remained like that for a few hours and then returned to normal. I doubt that it was the stars that moved, so it must have been the earth in relation to those starts.

A few months back I did a net search on earth wobble and found a forum that was talking about this very subject. But the posters were more concerned with the position of the rising sun and how it was no longer quite uniform and changing over time.

The wobble is definitely there but not uniform as presented. The scientific community is just not publishing the full story for public consumption but individuals are noticing it.

It's like global warming. It will be denied until it becomes so obvious that the denial will start to make them look stupid. Then ther will be another twist!

[Sammy56]

You can imagine my surprise when in the 90's I look out my window and it is pointing east/ west. It only remained like that for a few hours and then returned to normal.

Woah. Are you sure you didn't' get directions mixed up? Because if a wobble that big had happened, it would have been noticed by anyone who knows a bit of astronomy, yet I've never heard anything about it. Not saying you are lying, I'm just wondering if anyone else noticed this.

[DontBeAfraid]

http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/releases/200...lerwobble.html

Wobbles solved!

1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.

In this case its silly to think that the word host is referring to a person throuwing a party. Its quite obvious it is being used to refer to something that supports something else. So The heavens and earth and all the host of them becomes the heavens and the earth and all that supports them.... which seems obvious to be the laws of physics, without which there would be no earth.

[Traveler]

http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/releases/200...lerwobble.html

Wobbles solved!

In this case its silly to think that the word host is referring to a person throuwing a party. Its quite obvious it is being used to refer to something that supports something else. So The heavens and earth and all the host of them becomes the heavens and the earth and all that supports them.... which seems obvious to be the laws of physics, without which there would be no earth.

That is a good way to view this verse on its own

But when combined with other verses a clearer picture emerges. scripture helps to interpret scripture.

[Traveler]

Woah. Are you sure you didn't' get directions mixed up? Because if a wobble that big had happened, it would have been noticed by anyone who knows a bit of astronomy, yet I've never heard anything about it. Not saying you are lying, I'm just wondering if anyone else noticed this.

If I noticed it then I am sure that someone else did as well. But it was not in the main news media at all.

The only other people I can think of that would be looking at the night sky would be sailors that use this to navigate by. But keep in mind that they will only use it if out at sea and would simple change there course because they would think that they have strayed and then change back with it. Probably just put the change down to currents moving them off course. If in sight of land they would reference their position from the shore line and never bother to look at the sky. If they did who are they going to tell anyway.

In my case I had the reference of the countryside around me to notice the change, but I only told my wife to come see, Who else was I to tell. I am sure that any others had the same reaction.

[DontBeAfraid]

The only other people I can think of that would be looking at the night sky would be sailors that use this to navigate by.

And NASA!

Did you look at my link?:
http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/releases/200...lerwobble.html
Wobble solved!

edit: damn my link is dead... Ill find a live one.... in the meantime though, the wobble is caused by the ocean.

Several newer theories:
http://www.space.com/scienceastronom...le_010131.html

[Traveler]

DBA

It really makes no difference as to why the earth is wobbling.

The fact is that it is and that is one of the signs that we have been told to look out for.

[Glacial Ridge]

Who are The Hosts of Heaven?

[I][Genesis chapter 2

1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them/I]
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The multitude of angelic beings and the like, not having a flesh and blood body like ours. This would be before the anglelic rebellion and before the fall of man. Well that's who I think they are. Man has been very much influenced by this host sometimes referred to as the sons of God.

I Corinthians 8:5-6
5 For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)
6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

You are absolutely right in watching for that wobble. Prophecy requires we watch for it.

[Raptor Witness]

I love the large letters, Glacial. You're getting ready for war, are ya?

[Traveler]

I'm getting too old for the rough stuff,

I'll be getting a team together and hitting the prayer closet. Seem to get more positive results that way anyway.

[Glacial Ridge]

Sorry Traveller,
I thought perhaps that I had mislead you.
Hosts in this sense would be a massive group of servants?

The third of them that rebelled is where I think you were going with this. How many years were they active in the antediluvian world? (pre-flood world or "days of Noah")
What kind of influence did they have? What did they BUILD in the earth that may have been found later.

How many worshipped these demi gods?

A quick look at mythology will tell you where what how and when. Whether it is Greek, Roman, Egyptian or Oriental probably missing quite a few here. But gods there are many.

[Traveler]

I'm giving this old one a bump as the subject has come up again

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[UVsaturated]

Who Are The Hosts Of Heaven

This is where we start to get into areas that I tend to label as the X Files categories.

If it were not for the Lord, there would be no X Files to begin with.

This is an area that is avoided because of political correctness, theological sterility and it is also an area where the scriptures tend to get ignored and swept under the carpet because many would prefer that they were not there.

I say what gets swept under the carpet.

Now we are told that as it was in the days of Noah, so will it be in the last days. Because of this it is a good idea that we take a closer look at the events that transpired here. But to do that we first need to establish who is on the playing field and who are the different parties involved.

The end will come like a flood just as the scripture has said, and yes it is at thy very doorstep and even so, it is crossing over into the living room. For the spirit of God will settle
upon the souls of men of those he Jesus has chosen. This is to come in the coming days.

Genesis chapter 2

1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.

And the Lord has told me that some of the host are fallen and will never return to the light.

2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.

In the seventh day the Lord will do a new thing, and everything will be made new again. Right now we have ended the fifth day and are entering the sixth. This age is the age of man who is made in the image of God. What God conceived with Adam and Eve is being extrapolated a thousand times so that the Father may have many children in the image of man, who is the image of Christ our Lord and savior.

Now the question here is the definition of the word host or hosts. This term applies to large groups of living beings that group together in a social order of some sort. The heavens were completed and the earth was completed but what is this host that occupies them?

These hosts are the angels and servants of the Lord. For it is written that both the Nephilim and the Seraphem ..................


Now think about this. If life is a result of evolution then it would be practical that it only exist on one small planet in the vastness of the universe because the probability of life actually getting started accidently on its own is so remote it is a statistical impossibility.

But if life is the result of special creation then what is the point of creating a huge universe to only place life on one small planet in the middle of nowhere. If God was to create life on only one world then all he would need is just one solar system. To give it room to expand then perhaps one galaxy at the most, but a whole universe consisting of thousands of galaxies just for life on one solitary planet? Common sense should tell you that God would also create life on other worlds so as to utilize the full potential of his creation.

Hence God referred to all the hosts of heaven.

So lets look at an example of where this word was used in relation to humans to see if we have the correct understanding of it.

Exodus chapter 12

40] Now the sojourning of the children of Israel, who dwelt in Egypt, was four hundred and thirty years.

[41] And it came to pass at the end of the four hundred and thirty years, even the selfsame day it came to pass, that all the hosts of the LORD went out from the land of Egypt.

[42] It is a night to be much observed unto the LORD for bringing them out from the land of Egypt: this is that night of the LORD to be observed of all the children of Israel in their generations.

Here the holy nation of Israel that God had reared for himself from the decedents of Abraham are referred to as a host because of their large number, Which can be shown in the following verses out of the book of numbers.

[45] So were all those that were numbered of the children of Israel, by the house of their fathers, from twenty years old and upward, all that were able to go forth to war in Israel;

[46] Even all they that were numbered were six hundred thousand and three thousand and five hundred and fifty.

[47] But the Levites after the tribe of their fathers were not numbered among them.

Now here is a few verses of prophecy that are due in the future that demonstrate this point that the word host as applied to the hosts of heaven refers to large groups of beings.

Isaiah chapter 24

16 From the uttermost part of the earth have we heard songs, even glory to the righteous. But I said, My leanness, my leanness, woe unto me! the treacherous dealers have dealt treacherously; yea, the treacherous dealers have dealt very treacherously.

( Illuminatie, sometimes referred to as the illuminated ones or shadow governments )

17 Fear, and the pit, and the snare, are upon thee, O inhabitant of the earth.

18 And it shall come to pass, that he who fleeth from the noise of the fear shall fall into the pit; and he that cometh up out of the midst of the pit shall be taken in the snare: for the windows from on high are open, and the foundations of the earth do shake.

19 The earth is utterly broken down, the earth is clean dissolved, the earth is moved exceedingly.

20 The earth shall reel to and fro like a drunkard, and shall be removed like a cottage; and the transgression thereof shall be heavy upon it; and it shall fall, and not rise again.

21 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the LORD shall punish the host of the high ones that are on high, and the kings of the earth upon the earth.

22 And they shall be gathered together, as prisoners are gathered in the pit, and shall be shut up in the prison, and after many days shall they be visited.

23 Then the moon shall be confounded, and the sun ashamed, when the LORD of hosts shall reign in mount Zion, and in Jerusalem, and before his ancients gloriously.


Now the verse of interest is number 21

21 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the LORD shall punish the host of the high ones that are on high, and the kings of the earth upon the earth.

The kings of the earth are men that occupy positions of power and authority over the affairs of men. They are our leadership that have directed the attention of the people away from God and his laws. BUT WHO ARE THE HOST OF THE HIGH ONES. These are not angles or demons or familiar spirits. So who or what are they?

Keep in mind that angles do not make deals with men or enter into agreements with them.

If they are both gathered together and placed in the same prison together then they must be in collaboration with each other and guilty of the same crime that they committed together. That means that the earths leadership must be entering into agreements with beings that are not of this earth. Hence we have talk about the return of the Nephelium. As was the case in Noah’s day.

Now these verses are in the scriptures that have been handed down to us. We can do two things with them. First we can try and explain them away so that we no longer upset the sense of desired reality that we like to hold to or second, we can take it at its face value and accept that this is part of the picture that we are going to have to deal with.

It is also interesting to note that the earth has started to wobble in its orbit. This wobble is starting to become quite noticeable and satellites have been set in orbit to monitor it. For the scriptures to mention that the earth starts to wobble until it rocks to and fro like a drunkard is to give a clue as to the time frame when these events are to occur. [/QUOTE]

[Traveler]

The word translated as Hosts is this one

H6635

צבאה צבא
tsâbâ' tsebâ'âh
tsaw-baw', tseb-aw-aw'
From H6633; a mass of persons (or figurative things), especially regularly organized for war (an army); by implication a campaign, literally or figuratively (specifically hardship, worship): - appointed time, (+) army, (+) battle, company, host, service, soldiers, waiting upon, war (-fare).

[tahn1000]

Now think about this. If life is a result of evolution then it would be practical that it only exist on one small planet in the vastness of the universe because the probability of life actually getting started accidently on its own is so remote it is a statistical impossibility.

But if life is the result of special creation then what is the point of creating a huge universe to only place life on one small planet in the middle of nowhere. If God was to create life on only one world then all he would need is just one solar system. To give it room to expand then perhaps one galaxy at the most, but a whole universe consisting of thousands of galaxies just for life on one solitary planet? Common sense should tell you that God would also create life on other worlds so as to utilize the full potential of his creation.

Isaiah chapter 24

16 From the uttermost part of the earth have we heard songs, even glory to the righteous. But I said, My leanness, my leanness, woe unto me! the treacherous dealers have dealt treacherously; yea, the treacherous dealers have dealt very treacherously.

17 Fear, and the pit, and the snare, are upon thee, O inhabitant of the earth.

18 And it shall come to pass, that he who fleeth from the noise of the fear shall fall into the pit; and he that cometh up out of the midst of the pit shall be taken in the snare: for the windows from on high are open, and the foundations of the earth do shake.

19 The earth is utterly broken down, the earth is clean dissolved, the earth is moved exceedingly.

20 The earth shall reel to and fro like a drunkard, and shall be removed like a cottage; and the transgression thereof shall be heavy upon it; and it shall fall, and not rise again.

21 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the LORD shall punish the host of the high ones that are on high, and the kings of the earth upon the earth.

22 And they shall be gathered together, as prisoners are gathered in the pit, and shall be shut up in the prison, and after many days shall they be visited.

23 Then the moon shall be confounded, and the sun ashamed, when the LORD of hosts shall reign in mount Zion, and in Jerusalem, and before his ancients gloriously.


Now the verse of interest is number 21

21 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the LORD shall punish the host of the high ones that are on high, and the kings of the earth upon the earth.

firstly nature being what it is, evolution dictates that there MUST be other worlds which form around other stars with favourable conditions for life to evolve. all it takes is a star which is rotating on it's own axis to form a solar system. all planets in the solar system will inevitably orbit that star and rotate on their own axis. that is gravity, the indisputable king of creation. the the only other contributing factor to ultimately determining whether a planet has the potential for life to evolve is the orbiting distance from it's star. everything else just falls into place after that.

also issiah, being both non-israelite and not a worshipper of the jewish god, was not referring to the jewish god when he used the title "lord'.

"17 Fear, and the pit, and the snare, are upon thee, O inhabitant of the earth.

18 And it shall come to pass, that he who fleeth from the noise of the fear shall fall into the pit; and he that cometh up out of the midst of the pit shall be taken in the snare: for the windows from on high are open, and the foundations of the earth do shake."

the pit is sheol, and the ruler of sheol is the spirit king, ABADDON. and that is the "lord" that issiah was referring to. but he also said "fear the snare", as in there is some trap or temptation which if fallen into will attract the wrath of abaddon. he also said his lord "shall punish the host of the high ones that are on high, and the kings of the earth upon the earth." so i don't really think it matters who the hosts are, issiah didn't believe any of them could stand up against abaddon.

[Traveler]

Oh yes you are so right that your God is not mine pagan

Rev 9:11 And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon.
Rev 9:12 One woe is past; and, behold, there come two woes more hereafter.
Rev 9:13 And the sixth angel sounded, and I heard a voice from the four horns of the golden altar which is before God,
Rev 9:14 Saying to the sixth angel which had the trumpet, Loose the four angels which are bound in the great river Euphrates.
Rev 9:15 And the four angels were loosed, which were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, for to slay the third part of men.
Rev 9:16 And the number of the army of the horsemen were two hundred thousand thousand: and I heard the number of them.


G3
Ἀβαδδών
Abaddōn
ab-ad-dohn'
Of Hebrew origin [H11]; a destroying angel: - Abaddon.

[tahn1000]

lol, i don't worship anything. that's the meaning of being an atheist

besides abaddon is described as a spirit, not some sort of creator/god. believing he exists (like issiah and christ) is not tantamount to god worship.

[Traveler]

The word atheist is used for political correctness, Most that fall back on that title are nothing of the sort.