Would you know it , if you were deceived?

[Sweetwilliam]

According to the Scriptures Satan has deceived the WHOLE WORLD are you amoung them?

SweetWilliam

[lycanox]

Weird question. The world has never been as divided as it is today.

[loganosborne]

No, but thats because I don't believe in Satan. Are you among them Sweetwilliam?

[Nu Kua]

Oh gee, Satan can kiss my ass.

Satan lies? The biggest lie EVER is fundamental Christianity.

There is no Satan. There is no God. We are both Satan and God. This is our world, and we did with it what we did. Only we can fix it, nobody is coming to rescue you or punish the bad people. That is up to us, and we sure do suck at it, no?

People are always looking for an easy way out. Got a problem? Don't worry, if you sit around and pray long enough, maybe God will fix it.
If you continue to suffer, then it is because you didn't believe enough, or perhaps God is testing you. However, you can't get an answer to that, because you are not to question God.
If you make a stupid decision which leads to action on your part that gets you into trouble, well, don't beat up on yourself! The Devil made you do it. No need to worry about trying to right your wrong, because one day God will return and will beat up the Devil and bind him in chains, through him in hell, and then will in turn smite everyone who you never really liked anyway.
No need to try to repair the Earth, no need to be good to our neighbors, no need to reach out in compromise- because God is coming back, and will destroy the earth, and create a new one, just for his followers.
So you just sit comfortably and pray all day, OK? Hold that Bible tight, for it is a shield. And sit on your haunches in judgment of others, growing fat from your collection of righteous hatreds and mind numbing superstitions.

[OG_Head]

Nope, cause it's just mythology.

[Ningishiddza]

"Whoever said nothing is impossible, never tried slamming a revolving door...."

That is actually a more interesting theory than the satan thing. Any ideas how you'd go about slamming a revolving door?

[OG_Head]

Well, I figure you swing it really hard to slam it and then you fail miserably. There aren't any revolving doors in my town so I can't test this.

[Cherisa]

That is actually a more interesting theory than the satan thing. Any ideas how you'd go about slamming a revolving door?

Well, I figure you swing it really hard to slam it and then you fail miserably. There aren't any revolving doors in my town so I can't test this.

what I find THE MOST interesting is there are no revolving doors in Pensacola FLA, Have you went downtown? You can always find revolving doors downtown.

[OG_Head]

I live around Cantonment so I never really make it downtown. If there are revolving doors downtown then I've never seen them.

[Ningishiddza]

what I find THE MOST interesting is there are no revolving doors in Pensacola FLA, Have you went downtown? You can always find revolving doors downtown.

My understanding is that revolving doors were intended to allow rapid entry and exit to a building, while also conserving on heat in the winter-time. You see them on high-rise office buildings around here. For a while they weren't popular and some of the building built during the 1970s don't have them, but newer buildings do. I've never been to Pensacola, but I did live in St Petersburg and you know what? I don't remember seeing them on buildings there. I worked in Tampa and Clearwater and the buildings there didn't have them either.

[iulian28ti]

According to the Scriptures Satan has deceived the WHOLE WORLD are you amoung them?

SweetWilliam

one more person who thinks the metaphor is alive.

[Cherisa]

And in answer to the OP question, No, you are likely not to know you are deceived, because.... well... you are deceived.

[Traveler]

Oh gee, Satan can kiss my ass.

Satan lies? The biggest lie EVER is fundamental Christianity.

There is no Satan. There is no God. We are both Satan and God. This is our world, and we did with it what we did. Only we can fix it, nobody is coming to rescue you or punish the bad people. That is up to us, and we sure do suck at it, no?

People are always looking for an easy way out. Got a problem? Don't worry, if you sit around and pray long enough, maybe God will fix it.
If you continue to suffer, then it is because you didn't believe enough, or perhaps God is testing you. However, you can't get an answer to that, because you are not to question God.
If you make a stupid decision which leads to action on your part that gets you into trouble, well, don't beat up on yourself! The Devil made you do it. No need to worry about trying to right your wrong, because one day God will return and will beat up the Devil and bind him in chains, through him in hell, and then will in turn smite everyone who you never really liked anyway.
No need to try to repair the Earth, no need to be good to our neighbors, no need to reach out in compromise- because God is coming back, and will destroy the earth, and create a new one, just for his followers.
So you just sit comfortably and pray all day, OK? Hold that Bible tight, for it is a shield. And sit on your haunches in judgment of others, growing fat from your collection of righteous hatreds and mind numbing superstitions.

You sound like someone that was involved in the "Divine prosperity teaching" there for a while, Once you discover its a whole lot of BS the fall away is quite drastic. But keep in mind that just because humans twist and bring God into disrepute it does not mean that God is not real.

As for the original question. I would say that that statement is quite true, just look at the world around you. As far as the people of the world are concerned there is no such thing as God.

Spiritual development has been replaced with material gain.

Judgments have already started but it has been labeled as global warming and its all "your fault" anyway so the only need for repentance is some behavior modification that will not work anyway.

You will notice that whatever the weatherman predicts, the opposite seems to happen. That is God trying to get your attention but you are not listening.

A correlation has been made between the disasters that are happening in the US and each time they sell Israel down the tubes by forcing them into compromises to their own hurt.

But the sad fact is that you guys will never accept this so all the Christian can do is sit back and watch as the disasters happen because they are unable to prevent them. Submission to God is so repulsive to you that your gradual destruction is now assured and you want to claim that you are not deceived.

[playmaker88]

That is actually a more interesting theory than the satan thing. Any ideas how you'd go about slamming a revolving door?

Don't ask me, I'm still working on striking a match on a wet bar of soap.

[Ningishiddza]

You sound like someone that was involved in the "Divine prosperity teaching" there for a while, Once you discover its a whole lot of BS the fall away is quite drastic. But keep in mind that just because humans twist and bring God into disrepute it does not mean that God is not real.

Actually she is someone who is self educated, like me, but I don't know anything about "divine prosperity teaching" and I doubt that she does either, and from what I can see, I don't know of anyone on this forum who does, but then as I said, I don't know what "divine prosperity teaching" is.

You just have to do your own research, which is something I notice that you refuse to do. The origin of christianity is Abrahm. Abrahm was of the Ibru-Um priest cult in Nippur just like his father Terah. The bible even tells you so. Each night of the New Year Celebration, which occurred at the time of the Spring Equinox, Abrahm's father Terah would climb the steps of the ziggurat, which was an administrative building, not a temple, and read the first tablet of the Seven Tablets of Creation to the throngs of people who gathered below.

The Creation is science, occurring over millions of years, not divine and certainly not occurring over a span of 7 days.

But in the span of time between 2050 BCE and 600 BCE, it evolved into a divine creation occurring over 7 days. There's nothing mystical or magical or divine about it, it's simply the evolution of thought and the corruption of knowledge. Think of the game kids play in school, where the teacher tells a student, "There's was a five alarm fire at Izzy's pizza on Main Street Thursday last," and by the time it gets passed around the room to the 25-30 students one by one, the message gets corrupted to, "Three dogs wearing sweaters were drinking cappuccino with Oriental women in a French restaurant in Berlin."

That's what happens to knowledge over time, it gets lost, corrupted, spun, altered, edited, destroyed and recreated, often to reflect political and social realities.

Look at the story of Ka'in and Abael. The Hebrews omitted most parts of the story and reduced it to nothing. That story was written 5,000 years before Abrahm the first Hebrew was even born, and the finalized Hebrew version wasn't written until 1,400 years after that.

And the Hebrew texts are full of corruptions, alterations and edits. You're reading along and it says the Midianites did this thing, and then 4 sentences later it says it was the Moabites who did this thing. So which is? Those are two distinct separate cultures with different languages existing at different periods in time at quite distant locations.

It's a perfect example of two separate source documents, one mostly accurate, the other edited to reflect political and social realities, that were merged together skillfully by a clever editor, in this case, the evidence points to Ezra.

That's just one example. I can find over 1,000 such examples. Divinely inspired word of god? There's nothing divine about it, it's just someone's belief system intended to ensure that certain groups, the "status quo," maintain power, dominance and wealth.

It's happening even now. Go to the national archives and read the Declaration of Independence for the colonies. The words "United States of America" never appear. The words "United States" never appears either. In fact, 3 times it says that the 13 separate independent colonies ought to be 13 separate free and independent states, not one country. Yet, how many times do you read where people write that the Declaration created the USA? It did no such thing, but it's in the best interest of the US government to lead people to believe otherwise, especially, now, lest states start seceding.

As far as the people of the world are concerned there is no such thing as God.

And why should they? The only reason christianity exists is because it was forced on people by the sword. People were murdered in the name of Jesus to force them to believe, and a powerful religious hierarchy, the roman catholic church, murdered anyone who deviated from the belief system it propounded.

And that went on for over 1,000 years.

People think Hitler was evil? The roman catholic church murdered more people than all those who died in WW I and WW II.

People think Islam is bad? There would have to be a 9-11 every single day for the next 40 years to even begin to approach what the roman catholic church did, yet, the roman catholic church still exists.

Spiritual development has been replaced with material gain.

Is that what you think? Well, blame christians, don't blame people like Nua Ka or me. I don't know her, but I doubt that material gain is one of her 100 top priorities in life. As far as me, as of now, my monthly social security benefit will be $937 per month in 2007 US Dollars. You can use that to figure out what my average yearly income has been for the past 20 years.

Aside from 2 years where I worked for myself, I generally don't earn more than $20,000 to $24,000 a year. I've only had one new car my whole life, and I don't own property here in the US and don't intend to. But it doesn't matter. I do what I will when I want.

Judgments have already started but it has been labeled as global warming and its all "your fault" anyway so the only need for repentance is some behavior modification that will not work anyway.

Ah, yes, the judgments. Your god is like a crack-whore trainee that has children, neglects and abuses them, then punishes them for doing no wrong at all. Reminds of some of the sick women out that that have children to feel loved.

What kind of benevolent superior all knowing all powerful "Being" would create something then demand that it worship and love it? That is sick and disgusting, going beyond any depths of human depravity.

That is God trying to get your attention but you are not listening.

Yes, and that only serves to show the stupidity of your god, and the fact that he is clueless and does not understand human nature. What kind of all-knowing all-powerful "Being" is incapable of understanding human nature?

A correlation has been made between the disasters that are happening in the US and each time they sell Israel down the tubes by forcing them into compromises to their own hurt.

Then pray real hard I never become dictator of the US. I'll give USrael just 30 days to extradite the 5 Dancing Israelis, the 100+ illegal Israeli spies "working" at Urban Moving Systems in New Jersey, and the other 600-some odd Israeli spies in the US just prior to 9-11. And the only reason I'd give them 30 days, is because that's how long it would take Sandia National Laboratory to build twelve 10-kt neutron warheads. And on Day 31, there won't be an USrael, unless they comply. Fully.

But the sad fact is that you guys will never accept this so all the Christian can do is sit back and watch as the disasters happen because they are unable to prevent them.

The disasters happen because people make bad choices, not because there's a satan or a god.

Submission to God is so repulsive to you that your gradual destruction is now assured and you want to claim that you are not deceived.

I can't worship and love a psycho jack-ass bully who continually threatens me with violence, pain, anguish and suffering. I wouldn't allow a woman, a friend, an acquaintance, an employer or any other person to treat me in that manner, nor would I allow my children to do that and I wouldn't tolerate them doing it to others.

I am not at all deceived. The events unfolding are the result of people making bad choices, individually, and collectively, and the majority of those people are christians or at least claim to be.

One needs only "to believe" to be saved, well I guess so, because that's the only way to murder others for their oil and natural gas and minerals and chocolate and sugar cane and coffee and other resources and feel good about it.

Personally, I welcome the destruction, since that will most likely result in the destruction of christianity, then people can get on with the business of humans being and maybe make some positive changes in the world for once.

[playmaker88]

As for the original question. I would say that that statement is quite true, just look at the world around you. As far as the people of the world are concerned there is no such thing as God.

Finally the clouded minds are beginning to clear...

Spiritual development has been replaced with material gain.

The only thing I gain by being sure in my mind that there is no God is the right to free thought without constraint.

Judgments have already started but it has been labeled as global warming and its all "your fault" anyway so the only need for repentance is some behavior modification that will not work anyway.

You seem to imagine you have the monopoly on good behaviour, I set my own standards of behaviour and not because I live in fear of reprisal.

You will notice that whatever the weatherman predicts, the opposite seems to happen. That is God trying to get your attention but you are not listening.

That is the weatherman and his team not knowing as much as they think they do.

A correlation has been made between the disasters that are happening in the US and each time they sell Israel down the tubes by forcing them into compromises to their own hurt.

A correlation has been made between rainfall and everytime I go out thinking it's going to be fine. It's called coincidence and 'sods law'.

But the sad fact is that you guys will never accept this so all the Christian can do is sit back and watch as the disasters happen because they are unable to prevent them.

Apart from the Christians caught up in these disasters and I think you'll find that if Christian's just sat back and didn't preach they'd be much more widely accepted. Instead they have to go with, we're right (and have been for just over two thousand years) and everybody else (even other people with other beliefs and other faiths and non-human things going back billions of years) are wrong and damn you all for thinking otherwise.

Submission to God is so repulsive to you that your gradual destruction is now assured and you want to claim that you are not deceived.

I cannot be repulsed by what doesn't exist and my destruction was assured from the day I was conceived, I can accept that.

You are the one living your life and ideals through human words written not all that long ago and the one who cannot accept mortality as you see yourself and your species as being so, so much more important than could ever be true. I forgive you, it's only human nature.

[Nu Kua]

You sound like someone that was involved in the "Divine prosperity teaching" there for a while, Once you discover its a whole lot of BS the fall away is quite drastic. But keep in mind that just because humans twist and bring God into disrepute it does not mean that God is not real.

Divine prosperity teaching? Nope, not me. I find it crass that people try to use religion/spirituality as a tool for financial gain.

My disbelief in an all powerful, angry deity such as Yahweh is based on experience, study, thought, conversation, and meditation. I do not blame "God" for anything I have not achieved in life, nor do I find I need a God to attribute my successes to. It's my life, for me to do with what I please, and I take full responsibility for it and for all the decisions I make, good or bad.

As for the original question. I would say that that statement is quite true, just look at the world around you. As far as the people of the world are concerned there is no such thing as God.

Spiritual development has been replaced with material gain.

I have to agree with you partially- material things are a sad replacement for spirit. I hear in other places this is not so, that there are still people who touch the earth everyday, where families are as they should be- two parents, close to grandparents, extended family, children and cousins abound, close knit communities. But that surely isn't here in the US, not that I can find.
There is no connectivity. Too much stuff in the way, too much noise. Nobody anymore seems to touch the earth at all, or anything else that is real. Not too long ago I met a woman my age who didn't even know how to peel a potato. She had only had instant potatoes, or fast food french fries, her entire life.
Isn't that sad?
Ok, maybe I am too sentimental. I still get choked up over re-runs of "The Waltons".

You seem to equate a belief in God with spirituality. Nothing could be further from the truth. Some of you in a more scientific bend might think it silly, but I can't help it; I feel immersed in spirit, live in it and dwell in it, breathe it in and drink it in, like a fish in the water. So much so that I actually have to work to get along in "this world".
But a belief in God has nothing to do with it.

Judgments have already started but it has been labeled as global warming and its all "your fault" anyway so the only need for repentance is some behavior modification that will not work anyway.

No, no. The idea that weather is caused by a God who is angry because he has been ignored has been dis-proven.

Maybe we can start with the basics:

Earth Science for Kids- Climate and Weather
http://www.education.noaa.gov/sweather.html
Careful with that one, it is a "dot gov" website.

And take it from there. ^^^ I urge you to put aside your pride and open your mind to learning.

Incidentally I have friends who are Christian who do not believe God causes bad weather or geo-seismic events to punish sinners; they understand the science behind these things while still maintaining a belief in God. You can probably work with it.

You will notice that whatever the weatherman predicts, the opposite seems to happen. That is God trying to get your attention but you are not listening.

Here you are obviously just being funny.

A correlation has been made between the disasters that are happening in the US and each time they sell Israel down the tubes by forcing them into compromises to their own hurt.

By whom? "Scientists" funded by Christian Zionism?

But the sad fact is that you guys will never accept this so all the Christian can do is sit back and watch as the disasters happen because they are unable to prevent them. Submission to God is so repulsive to you that your gradual destruction is now assured and you want to claim that you are not deceived.

I sense a smug satisfaction there, as you seductively entertain the thought of our eventual destruction and eternal damnation when your God comes back to smite us all.

[Sweetwilliam]

Rev.12:9
So this means you too!


SweetWilliam

[Ningishiddza]

Rev.12:9
So this means you too!


SweetWilliam

Really now, dragons and monsters with naked ladies riding them, isn't that a little pornographic?

How 'bout them trumpet blowin' angels. Think they studied music at Julliard?

[Nu Kua]

Really now, dragons and monsters with naked ladies riding them, isn't that a little pornographic?

I swear, I was young and foolish, I was drinking, and I don't remember a thing.
It hasn't happened since.

And actually, from what I remember of the music, the band wasn't all it was cracked up to be- so my guess is "no" to the Julliard thing.

[OG_Head]

I swear, I was young and foolish, I was drinking, and I don't remember a thing.
It hasn't happened since.

haha, that would be a good youth group story

[iulian28ti]

Only those who don't know they are, are deceived.

Well of course, if you know if you are deceived, then you wouldn't be deceived anymore.

and the passage from the Bible show nothing more that images, looking like this

And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

So if he deceived the whole world, you are deceived as well. And you ask something illogical in your first post.

You poor evangelical christian... are you going to start telling us we have to attack Iran?

[Jake99]

Oh gee, Satan can kiss my ass.

Satan lies? The biggest lie EVER is fundamental Christianity.

There is no Satan. There is no God. We are both Satan and God. This is our world, and we did with it what we did. Only we can fix it, nobody is coming to rescue you or punish the bad people. That is up to us, and we sure do suck at it, no?

People are always looking for an easy way out. Got a problem? Don't worry, if you sit around and pray long enough, maybe God will fix it.
If you continue to suffer, then it is because you didn't believe enough, or perhaps God is testing you. However, you can't get an answer to that, because you are not to question God.
If you make a stupid decision which leads to action on your part that gets you into trouble, well, don't beat up on yourself! The Devil made you do it. No need to worry about trying to right your wrong, because one day God will return and will beat up the Devil and bind him in chains, through him in hell, and then will in turn smite everyone who you never really liked anyway.
No need to try to repair the Earth, no need to be good to our neighbors, no need to reach out in compromise- because God is coming back, and will destroy the earth, and create a new one, just for his followers.
So you just sit comfortably and pray all day, OK? Hold that Bible tight, for it is a shield. And sit on your haunches in judgment of others, growing fat from your collection of righteous hatreds and mind numbing superstitions.

Nu Kua, I really like you alot, you speak from your heart and you are smart.

Satan is a liar and he teaches through people like presidents, teachers, the Pope, Hagee, Graham, Copeland who are trying their best thinking they are right but always getting it wrong in many ways. What is interesting is that none of the false prophets teach what I teach and yet they say they are christ. Rome actually claimed the Catholic church was the body of christ during the child molestation trials. I used to go the the Cathedral of the Holy Cross in Boston each week in my limo or the chariot during the protests and almost always I created a scene. I stood on the roof of the limo along side the church in my white tennis clothes and I told Cardinal Law to his face at the alter during communion that I was the actual christ and again at the rear of the church during the exit ceremonies. The police questioned me and filed reports on those incidents which were just a few of the 300prophecies I performed.

I am actually here with my body as proof that God and Satan actually exist in the spirit world and that the bible is not first hand knowledge although in many ways correct but not understood properly by anyone other than me. The people whop are leading this planet will soon be seen as the wolves in sheeps clothing that they are for how off course thay have led man.

I have been litterally beating up the devil by way of my works as if it were a life or death battle for decades and that series of wars against the ways of man completely bound Satan and placed him under my foot. Satan and his deciples did arrest me and placed me on trial twice where they mocked and beat me and made every effort to silence me. I countered with a legal defence that fourced the hand of the wolves in sheeps clothing just as Jesus did so the battle between good and evil would play out in court where I am protected by the law.

And so far as the angels singing that is also true, my family and friends have an acoustic rock band that will amaze you even off the cuff. I am sending a copy of a live cassette recording to Skygirl soon she can judge it and give an opinion.