Illnesses that Jesus could heal...

[mattbrowne]

Jesus could heal many people, especially when there were psychosomatic components, but he couldn't cure type 1 diabetes. Do you agree?

Psychosomatic medicine is an interdisciplinary medical field studying psychosomatic illness, now more commonly referred to as psychophysiologic illness, disorders whose symptoms are caused by mental processes of the sufferer rather than immediate physiological causes. These syndromes are classified as neurotic, stress-related and somatoform disorders by the World Health Organization in the International Statistical Classification of Diseases and Related Health Problems.

Psychosomatic medicine integrates interdisciplinary evaluation and management involving diverse specialties, including but not limited to psychiatry, psychology, neurology; surgery; gynecology; pain management; pediatrics; dermatology; and psychoneuroimmunology. Clinical situations where psychological processes act as a major factor affecting medical outcome and affecting medical compliance and/or surgical results are areas where Psychosomatic medicine has competence.

As an enlightened Christian who believes in God I don't think anything is possible with God. If God is the creator of our universe or multiverse (there is no scientific proof for that - it's a matter of faith) then to me this is governed by fundamental and consistent principles such as gravity and the building blocks of matter. Doing "anything" means violating those principles. God becomes a magician as portrayed by creationists and other superstitious people who believe in the power of black cats crossing the streets or dinosaurs and people living at the same time.

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Matt Browne
My webpage is at http://www.meet-matt-browne.com
"As a race, we survive on planet Earth purely by geological consent." Bill McGuire

[Cartesiantheater]

As an enlightened Christian who believes in God I don't think anything is possible with God. If God is the creator of our universe or multiverse (there is no scientific proof for that - it's a matter of faith) then to me this is governed by fundamental and consistent principles such as gravity and the building blocks of matter. Doing "anything" means violating those principles. God becomes a magician as portrayed by creationists and other superstitious people who believe in the power of black cats crossing the streets or dinosaurs and people living at the same time.

You could also hypothesis that God cannot see the future and messed up somewhere in his plans. He doesn't just have to be a faker putting on preformances to get people to worship him. He might have simply not taken some variables into account when he designed his original plan, and THAT'S why he had to preform miracles that contradict the laws of nature he originally designed. (to correct his mistakes that came from his inability to plan for them).

[cmar1965]

Right now I have a "bubble thought" of many a cricket chirping over at "kumbaya" camp and nothing more, perhaps except for a lot of xian faces!
lmao
Too cart, considering "god" is allegedly Mr Omni-ALL, he WOULD have taken all those things into account! The "PLAN" was to feed his obvious co-dependancy and external blame issues, negating any responsibility for his own shit, therefore allowing the god-botherers out there to do the same, to SHOW they were "made in his image". Get it right man!!!

To Matt,

Check the bible to see if those disorders, diseases etc are listed!

[weederbro]

So Matt,
Enlightened Christians strip away the miraculous?

Christians are defined as followers of/ believers in Jesus.
Whose enemies, not denying that He had miraculously healed the sick etc, accused Him of sorcery as a step toward murdering Him.

[ecosikz]

So Matt,
Enlightened Christians strip away the miraculous?

Christians are defined as followers of/ believers in Jesus.
Whose enemies, not denying that He had miraculously healed the sick etc, accused Him of sorcery as a step toward murdering Him.

murdering?! I wouldn't exactly call it murdering, more like... it was his destiny/mission?

ps: check this stuff out!

There was no limit to the number of blows inflicted— this was left to the lictors to decide, though they were normally not supposed to kill the victim. Nonetheless, Livy, Suetonius and Josephus report cases of flagellation where victims died while still bound to the post. Flagellation was referred to as "half death" by some authors and apparently, many died shortly thereafter.

oh and this is some crazy stuff right here:

Often the victim was turned over to allow flagellation on the chest, though this proceeded with more caution, as the possibility of inflicting a fatal blow was much greater.

AND

Typically, the one to be punished was stripped naked and bound to a low pillar so that he could bend over it, or chained to an upright pillar as to be stretched out. Two lictors (some reports indicate scourgings with four or six lictors) alternated blows from the bare shoulders down the body to the soles of the feet

now... I'm just wondering... since so many people tell me that "oh, there are actually a couple of people who are able to go through what Jesus did." which puts a smile on my face and I'm like "oh really? hold on just a sec, ill be right back with my lictors,a cross,3 9 inch nails,and a crown made out of thorns." however this is not the case... they remind me of deers.. deers running for their lives... and deers that scream like "omg! he's going to kill us all, run for your lives! AHHHHHH!!", but thats just what I think..

[alphaazariah]

Jesus sure dispatched a bunch of demons. Although, there isn't a single mention of demons prior to His arriving on the scene---nothing in the Old Testament, anyway.

It's kinda weird to me to believe he managed the "psychosomatic" mental illness well---and yet, disbelieve the other stuff he was charged of doing: healing leprosy, blindness, ummmm....waking someone from a dirt nap--was it thrice?

Anyway, we kinda start to mess up when we start to think and actually believe that we can "figure out" the divine---when we can't even sort out basic shit for ourselves. And I mean basic.

Unless, of course, you actually believe that all there is to this world is merely your flesh and bones---simple matter. If so, then you're just fuct.

[jeffweeder]

How can God be limited in his ability to perfom modifications on all that he has created.

Is a computer tech /builder, limited in how he gets his software to run, or failing to diagnose and fix prblems?
Keeping all the same parts he can perform actions that can get conflicting programs to run together properly etc.

If he did that ,there would be no doubt in your mind that he was indeed the Technician.

I would have thought that if God was ever manifesred to cure the ills of this creation, he would show signs of being able to say, control the weather,
and cure all manner of diseases (viruses).

Why is that then that we shut our eyes to Jesus as being God, when it should be obvious that he is? Even according to the manual-(OT), HE IS THE ONE..

[UVsaturated]

I would have thought that if God was ever manifesred to cure the ills of this creation, he would show signs of being able to say, control the weather,
and cure all manner of diseases (viruses).

Jeff, you speak as if the world is a natural place that runs to its own accord without God. The father already has control of the weather, and the virus. You just have chosen to disbelieve that and exchange it for cause and effect.

[jeffweeder]

Jeff, you speak as if the world is a natural place that runs to its own accord without God.

No im not speaking that way at all, try reading it again.
Being God he has knowledge of why and how it all works.He made it-- He can act at any time to calm the storm, still the waters (rising from the dead for instance)etc. Jesus demonstrated that he could do what only God could do instantaniously..
When he spoke he was all action , things manifested themselves as stabilised, and all who believed he was ( had faith), got what they asked for.

[UVsaturated]

I would have thought that if God was ever manifesred to cure the ills of this creation, he would show signs of being able to say, control the weather,
and cure all manner of diseases (viruses).

You just said, "he would show signs of being able to say, control the weather..."

Are you saying that by what you see of the weather, you doubt God is controlling it?

Now I see what you are trying to say. You wish to see something supernatural as proof, yet Christ said that you will be given the sign of Jonah as your only sign. You will know it when you see it, then you will no longer doubt about the weather being a work of God's hand.

[jeffweeder]

Are you saying that by what you see of the weather, you doubt God is controlling it?

Im saying that when God made it , he had it all balanced, "and God saw that it was good".

We are then given responsibility to look after it......but we havent, so things become unbalanced, winds get stronger, rain becomes too little or too much etc.
Paradise lost.

[UVsaturated]

Im saying that when God made it , he had it all balanced, "and God saw that it was good".

We are then given responsibility to look after it......but we havent, so things become unbalanced, winds get stronger, rain becomes too little or too much etc.
Paradise lost.

Jeff, it is God who gave the command to eat the forbidden fruit in the first place, and it is God who has judged his self through the prostitute.

Humans have nothing to do with the weather.

Read the story of Judah and the prostitute.

Your Jesus even states when asked if a man is punished for his sin by God, and his claim was that no; it was to show the power of God through a miracle;

John 9:2-3
2And his disciples asked him, “Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he was born blind?”
3Jesus answered, “It was not that this man sinned, or his parents, but that the works of God might be displayed in him.

All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God is not just a statement, it is a logical statement that includes some and excludes others, for if all have sinned except God, then all one really needs to do is become like God and he will sin no more.

[weederbro]

Ct...I think the miracles were intended to be an indication of Jesus being the prophesied 'Anointed One', who would be from the line of David and lead the children of Israel to victory over their enemies. He'd be 'kingly'.

Imagine their disappointment that a man who claimed to be their promised Messiah came from a locale comprising of half a dozen farmlets in 'hicksville'. A working class bloke, who when offered position, declined. Hardly a hero-king.

As I keep saying, His enemies SAW His miracles and accused Him of sorcery, they didn't deny them (too many witnesses). It was this 'cloud' of witnesses to remarkable occurances that carried the reports forward into history.

I did catch a hint of humour from you there Ct! haha..

eco, G'day man!,
I still say murder. He'd done no harm, kept all the laws and had spoken the truth. A murderer was released. Jesus was killed.


Cheers to all...

[weederbro]

UV, Greetings!,

Once again your interpretation distorts the actual account.
The Father didn't command that the fruit be eaten, but the exact opposite (ok kids, don't eat that it'll make you sick...)

What's the point of free will if there's no choice to make?

You might interpret John 9:2 as saying that the man's affliction was a natural misfortune (like leprosy etc) that had nevertheless provided a 'witness' affirming Jesus' capabilities.

It is notable that Jesus didn't do much without being told by The Father to do it, motivated, by His compassion for the people. He came from the love vibration man....haha..

I think you run into all kinda reefs if you insist on allegorising it all man.

Paul says it well,
For we write you nothing else but simply what you can read and understand (there is no double meaning to what we say) and I hope that you will become thoroughly aquainted with divine things and know and understand them accurately and well to the end.

2COR 1:13 Amplified Version

[jeffweeder]

Jeff, it is God who gave the command to eat the forbidden fruit in the first place

NO...IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, SATAN WANTED THEM TO EAT IT....GOD TOLD THEM NOT TO...
OR THEY'D DIE....
Its obvious what has happened here. 2 voices are heard.

[UVsaturated]

NO...IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, SATAN WANTED THEM TO EAT IT....GOD TOLD THEM NOT TO...
OR THEY'D DIE....
Its obvious what has happened here. 2 voices are heard.

For both yourself and weederbro;

The snake is the splitting of the higher God into his divided state. These are the demons that rebelled from God, because God forgot them. How can God spawn something that would ever rebel against him, unless of course he planned it that way.

It is God who said one thing and did another for if he wanted everything perfect, he would not have placed a stumbling block in the garden of Eden to begin with.

The true God will then become one again when he accepts responsibility for his mistake. He can only do so, by becoming weak.

The first creation is a square, the new creation will be the triangle or trinity.

To the man who believes in the Fathers blessing will hold the Father to his oath, yet to the blasphemer, they will accept anything they are given that pleases them for a short time.

The snake would have no power over anyone if God had not placed his tree in the Garden.

Behold the snake shall now devour its own tail.

[jeffweeder]

It is God who said one thing and did another for if he wanted everything perfect, he would not have placed a stumbling block in the garden of Eden to begin with.

True love stands any test.
Why decide to stumble over a block?
Will your love fail the test? If it doesnt, then it is perfect.

[UVsaturated]

True love stands any test.
Why decide to stumble over a block?
Will your love fail the test? If it doesnt, then it is perfect.

The block that is stumbled over is the lie that the serpent told.

Remember exactly what it said:

For you will not truly die, but your eyes will be opened. That tree was the knowing of good and evil. To know something is to believe in it or be one with it. Simply deny that good and evil truly exists and you will pour hot coals upon your enemy.

Does a child make a judgment between the two? No, only those who consider themselves wise. Judge the way a child would and you have found your inner child again.

[weederbro]

Matt, You claim to be an 'enlightened Christian'. But I don't think your a Christian at all.
Faith (gk:'pistis') is believing everything Jesus claimed to be, this belief is the saving faith. I can't imagine a Spirit filled person denying a word of what He said or did. (ok Ok guys, what is claimed He said and did). There are more important things than being popular.

[Jake99]

Healing illness of all kinds like magic is what using one equal opportunity, non profit global governing system does. There is nothing magic or against the laws of nature about what god does or Jesus did. The simple plan for rebirth, forgiving debts, tresspasses and sins and a new start and restoration of the planet has always been the same. Its easy if you follow the messiah and no one else. Man uses many hundreds of different governments most of which sell land and control currency and prices which according to the bible is strictly prohibitted. Possession of the forbidden fruit leads directly to war everytime and is not in the best interest of humans or the planet. The politicians want mankind to stay the course because they through lack of knowledge and greed want more time to perfect Satan's and the Anti Christ's wicked, ununified and fragmented systems.

Using the correct governing system heals all illnesses including diabetes, heart disease, cancer, AIDS etc almost overnight. How many nights has man refused to govern as directed and what is the condition of the body and planet that has been led by such defiant and miss-directed humans?

The bombardment of stress following the ways of the man has created the diseases and unrests that plague the planet. Man has stressed his body and this environment in ways that are not compatible with the gods intentions.

Every time a person using mans ways of governing that worships god and says he is with goodness is like spitting in gods face as if man knows what is best which he obviously does not. If you knew what god wanted which you seem never to want to discuss with me then you would never do what you do and you would never elect the evil doers humans put on their thrones.

All I hear from the nations representatives is worthless noise from evil, corrupt possession lawyers or use of force and or control killers, profit makers and destroyers.

The Obamas seem to be of the impression that child care is not an important parental job and would rather leave there children to be raised by strangers so they can both take up a space in the work force. I am against such violations of gods laws and crimes against humanity and children. All of the presidents, preachers and politicians say they know the way and people love them for how nice they are rather than looking at their works and comparing them to what is written in the bible. The air, land, water and people have all been trashed by man not god.

That is what I call throwing roses to and putting lipstick on a pig and then worshipping it rather than god.

[eldingo12]

I can't imagine a Spirit filled person denying a word of what He said or did.

You say a "Spirit filled person", how does one tell the difference between a holy spirit and an unholy spirit? As far as you know what you call the Holy Spirit could be nothing more than satan emulating what you believe you should feel.



But then again, I don't believe in fairy tales.

[Nu Kua]

Actually, what you all don't know is, the "Serpent" was telling the truth, and it was the "Lord" who lied, in order to maintain control over the newly created- which is also why and how religions was introduced later, to instill fear of disobeying the appointed kings as well as a system for reward of an imaginary afterlife as an incentive to be meek, humble, not ask questions about their predicament, and to suffer silently and noble in this life.

And look how well it worked! Still people remain trapped and enslaved by religious precepts and indoctrination. Our whole world spins on this lie, and it is this lie which is the anti-Christ which will be defeated as we continue to allow scientific, medical, technological and space-related studies to flourish.
The anti-Christ is the teaching that we cannot be like the "gods", to make up our own minds and set our own destiny. This so called "God" you think you are worshiping is nothing more than a selfish egotistical entity who did all he could to keep humans dumbed down and willing to serve, and later to kill the teachings of "Christ".
The story of Jesus Christ was one of him going around trying to teach the truth- he performed healings and then told us "As I have done, you may do also" but even that story was around thousands of years before his supposed life.
The message of this story of the Resurrected God-man born of a holy woman("virgin" birth, life ministry, death and resurrection) is that we all are already one with God, and we do not need to make sacrifices or propitiate ourselves humbly before some master creator. This message was beginning to resound with the humans and many were starting to attempt to breaking free from unfair rulership- and the "LORD" couldn't have any of that nonsense catching hold. "Jesus" was sacrificed alright- but not by who you think!

Your creation story is a very poor copy of the original, which is at least 1,200 years older than the bible was written.

Incidentally, it was the second council when over 300 references that Jesus himself made to reincarnation and the nature of God within as eternal were cut out of the bible, with the idea that #1 the "masses" couldn't understand the information or that if they did, #2 it would be dangerous for them.
Your bible was edited numerous times over a period of about 800 years and it was edited by humans making the decisions what to include or what not to include. If anybody thinks the Bible as we know it today has even 1/1000 the word of "god" you are filled with the anti-Christ already.
Hell, the concept of a Trinity was not even added until like, 700 years AD!!
(my numbers are fuzzy atm but when I can type longer can cite source and be more accurate)

Peruse some of the other ancient texts that were hidden away and discovered later; likewise try to get a hold of at least the 43 books that were simply deleted from the Bible initially, even though most of those were written within a decade of the life of Jesus, and most of the ones included as canon were written hundreds of years later. The hidden texts that have been discovered and translated, such as the "gnostic" gospels, the (true) apocrypha, the nag hammadi, and others, and get a clearer picture of the true teachings.

Or, continue to live in the veil wrapped around your minds and hearts by the anti-Christ, and continue to think that you are not already one with "God", and believe that you do not have the power to heal yourself or live a good life without being filled with the fear of a retaliatory God, or live in guilt of a sacrificial god-Man.
"Jesus" wasn't sacrificed by humans.

"My father, my father! WHY have you forsaken me?"

ok enough for today, have to go

[JenaS62]

Thanks Nu Kua for such an eloquent summary of the truth. When my suspicions were layed out in front of me and all the dots connected and the T's crossed - I felt so liberated and at peace with myself.

But there are those that will hold up on last shield to the truth - that shield is beware the false prophet. Those with that shield will be afraid to accept what is obvious as it "could" be the false prophet. It's like using one final method to keep the herd in check - the cattle prod.

[Godsgifttomankind]

Hello eldingo12 and thank-you for you observation,

You say a "Spirit filled person", how does one tell the difference between a holy spirit and an unholy spirit? As far as you know what you call the Holy Spirit could be nothing more than satan emulating what you believe you should feel.

The Bible clearly states that one must test the spirit, that which is of the spirit bears good fruit and that which is not bears bad fruit.

This comes back to the tree and the idea that we are what we eat, are we eating from the tree of knowledge or are we eating from the very tree that God warned us not to eat from or we would die?

We all have the capacity to measure people's fruitage for we do it every day.

But then again, I don't believe in fairy tales.

What is the difference between a fairytale and a dream?

Who is Superman?

[Cornish Maid]

Nice to hear from you again Godsgifttomankind

Where you been?