Do you believe in FREEDOM or have you taken it for granted?

**hehbert** · Apr 4th, 2008 2:58 PM

This has been going on for awhile now... but we rarely hear about it from the mass media (what a surprise!). It would seem that George Orwell's Big Brother from "Nineteen Eighty-Four" may actually become a reality, first in the U.K., and maybe soon throughout the world.

Kids are being fingerprinted at school:

(1) EXCLUSIVE: FINGERPRINT SCANDAL OF 700,000 KIDS:
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/tm_obje...name_page.html

(2) Millions of children to be fingerprinted:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2006/ju...cs.humanrights

(3) Child fingerprint plan considered:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6417565.stm

**perdition79** · Apr 5th, 2008 3:26 AM

Freedom doesn't exist. The masses work 60 hours a week in an attempt to create the idyllic lifestyle presented to them on the talking picture box. They may buy a Ford instead of a Chevy, oatmeal instead of Rice Krispies, vacation at the beach instead of an amusement park, but they're still doing what they're supposed to: consume, conform, obey. Choice and freedom are two separate concepts. Slaves worked less than the average Westerner does.

**hehbert** · Apr 5th, 2008 10:48 AM

I know that we are here; wherever here is. We exist, on a region of a land mass, on planet earth, in a solar system, in the Milky Way Galaxy, with many other galaxies that are spread out about the emptiness of space; which forms the universe.

If souls exist... then such spiritual entities have been materialized and trapped in this physical world we live in. They have been trapped in organic bodies comprising of many atoms, molecules, which form smaller organic parts that have specific functions... all controlled by our brain, which one might say is the hub of the soul.

Whether slaves worked less or much harder than today's average Westerner is irrelevant. Freedom and choice maybe two separate concepts, but it is undeniable that freedom and the number of choices one can make are correlated.

If we have physical bodies and not just a brain... then I would suspect that the main function of those bodies is to act on their own free will via the brain. You might say we've been trapped in mind games throughout our lives... but as long as you are allowed to make choices to deter an ultimate defeat of a free-willed-mind, then you are considered free.

By allowing our younger generations to be fingerprinted... maybe have microchips implanted into them... and hence have them monitored... their choices become more strictly defined. They would then have less choices to make, which makes them less free.

We live in a "free market" economy, and so we must live according to the rules that have been set. I suppose our ultimate destiny is to consume, and conform in order to get along (I mean we all have our own agendas) until we meet our own demise, however to obey is control, and being controlled means less choices, which means less freedom.

Allow our younger generations to make their own choices and to allow them to make as many choices as they want as we have been allowed in our modern world. Don't allow them to be monitored much more than we are monitored now.

Maybe slaves were more free in the past, but considering their type of environment/economies in which they lived... and the limited number of activities they could pursue... it's debatable.

***Mystery*** · Apr 5th, 2008 11:30 AM

I believe in freedom, but also believe many of us, including me take it for granted. We have many freedoms, yet are severly restricted. It is like a contradiction.I think we are made to think we are free, but really are not. But also at the same token, freedom lies with in us as well. There has to be some restrictions or esle we would live like animals, but I do not agree with the forced finger printing of kids, and WAY against any chipping.

**~~usohypocrisy~~** · Apr 5th, 2008 12:25 PM

the only freedom a person can find in this life is death. when the last eye flutters shut, the last gasp of air, escapes from the lungs, the final beat of the heart comes to a stand still, and the final thought of the brain is forgotten, only then shall a person be free of the machine.

***Assassin X*** · Apr 5th, 2008 6:03 PM

If freedom was a real thing I wouldn't have to put up with some much shit in this country.

**perdition79** · Apr 6th, 2008 12:36 AM

We live in a "free market" economy, and so we must live according to the rules that have been set. I suppose our ultimate destiny is to consume, and conform in order to get along (I mean we all have our own agendas) until we meet our own demise, however to obey is control, and being controlled means less choices, which means less freedom.

I agree, except for one important caveat: not everyone is like us! We are the few, we understand freedom. This dialectic is proof of that fact. The masses have no clue about what freedom means. They don't think, they don't analyze, they don't question anything. They do not have their own agendas, other than to reproduce, be entertained, follow the rules, and eventually die. They accept the reality which they are presented. Almost everyone obeys now. They watch the same entertainment, watch the same news, buy the same products, live the same lives. Doctors, lawyers, and garbage men all lead the same life. The doctors might have better stuff, but it's still the same type of stuff as the garbage men have.

Maybe slaves were more free in the past, but considering their type of environment/economies in which they lived... and the limited number of activities they could pursue... it's debatable.

That "slaves being free" rhetoric was just for the sake of hyperbole. The point was that the real slaves are the consumers of today who, through their unlimited wants, have become some of the hardest workers in history. The best way to control a greedy creature like Man is to tell them they can have anything they want if they work for it, because they'll work hard enough to reach that goal. Slavery was always a mistake; giving people nothing gives them no motivation. Dangle a big enough carrot in front of a person and he'll trample his loved ones in the pursuit of it.

**hehbert** · Apr 6th, 2008 1:02 AM

Originally Posted by perdition79

The masses have no clue about what freedom means. They don't think, they don't analyze, they don't question anything.

We'll just have to do something about that then, won't we?

We have two choices: Either exploit it, or fight it! It should be apparent that I've chosen the latter via this thread, and many other people have as well via the other threads related to the matter. Remember the three E's: To Educate is to Empower; and to Empower is to Enlighten!

Complain about the masses all you want, but one by one people are waiting and can be willing to wake up from the only false reality they've been exposed to all their lives, which is why we're here, in turn, to expose it and reveal the Truth.

Originally Posted by perdition79

The point was that the real slaves are the consumers of today who, through their unlimited wants, have become some of the hardest workers in history.

Oh it's undeniable that we are also slaves to the economy... but considering the many activities we can choose to partake in, and the many "stuff" we can choose to acquire, compared to a century prior... we're livin' a life of FREEDOM b/c of so many more choices we can make... whether we work harder or not for those choices is irrelevant. You can't live a life that doesn't conform, but you'll soon realize that you'll always need to conform to get along... but being monitored and giving someone the ability to ruin your life with a click of a button that'll erase all of your data (your whole identity; as if you never existed) from the whole system is out of the QUESTION! So I'm just saying that we shouldn't let them establish such a system.

Finger printing our children and maybe soon implanting microchips in the body are the first steps toward establishing such a dictatorship.

Giving someone the power to decide whether you should exist or not, is just plain wrong!

***Traveler*** · Apr 6th, 2008 9:54 AM

This is a subject that I have thought about a lot and the conclusion that I have come to is this.

We are in fact slaves to our heritage. Explains why the white races are such control freaks.

For many generation we lived under the heals of the kings as peasants, then came the world wars and the power of the kings were exhausted so democracies were developed bringing in the freedoms we all dreamed of but never had under the feudal systems.

But the mindset of control and social responsibilities was so ingrained that the submission to the Lords and Kings was simply transferred to the new leadership which has now become just as bad if not worse. The only problem is that we no longer have an individual king to focus our anger at but the officials that we elected so in effect we have to blame ourselves for our predicament which puts us in a loop going down.