Stay off the grid

***ryangti*** · May 19th, 2008 9:29 PM

You anyone that watched the last terminator movie where john connor says that he stays off the grid.
Well this story may make you do so yet,but then again nothing to hide nothing to fear.
Trouble how many innocents would be accused imprisoned or simply because of your religion?
Thanks to bush and blair you know its them thats made us all paranoid,is this allowed or will it happen in anycase?

A massive government database holding details of every phone call, e-mail and time spent on the internet by the public is being planned as part of the fight against crime and terrorism. Internet service providers (ISPs) and telecoms companies would hand over the records to the Home Office under plans put forward by officials.
Bye bye civil rights!

http://business.timesonline.co.uk/to...cle3965033.ece

***Mystery*** · May 20th, 2008 8:10 PM

But if we were to "stay off the grid", we give them the power anyway. We are then being controlled by paranoia that they created.

***Harry61*** · May 20th, 2008 8:16 PM

Really, that just makes me want to apply for a govt job. I see that more as the movie, 1984 then. Anyone else?

***Nu Kua*** · May 20th, 2008 8:19 PM

The more off the grid we become, the more free we become, because we've rejected the "master".

**DaveyDoes** · May 20th, 2008 8:29 PM

This is a kind of funny subject to have on the internet and on a forum.
Anyone that is off the grid, can't contribute and would never see it.

I hate to spoil everyones notions but, we're all on the grid...everyone
is on someones "list" out there. You have a paper trail and since all
government agencies are computerizing their records, a computer
trail.

They know who you are, where you are, what you do with your money
and maybe even what you're thinking.

My opinion, unless you're devoted to really going underground don't try
to hide shit...it just makes people "them" more suspicious. Just learn to
run fast and shoot straight.

***ryangti*** · May 22nd, 2008 2:59 PM

Well if this cyber war threat increases we will end up off the grid anyway.
To many it will feel like the dark ages all over again with no communication.
Some will say this is a good thing which of course will bring the world to standstill,as we now rely on the net for business etc.

One day though we shall all be in the same postion.

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599...17-421,00.html
So after reading this story will it be a good thing or a bad thing!

***MapMan*** · May 23rd, 2008 10:26 AM

Originally Posted by ryangti

nothing to hide nothing to fear

I've always hated that saying! To me that sums up the attitude the government would like everyone to have. Personally I like to have my privacy even if I'm not doing anything wrong. 'nothing to hide nothing to fear' just means that if you do exactly as you are told and live your life exactly how they say you should, you'll be OK.

The police were doing section 60 searches at Waterloo station yesterday. For those who are new to that one, it means that they set up tables and randomly pick people for searches and interrogation (name, what you are doing, where you are going etc.). Bags and pockets are emptied and your details taken. It's not intelligence lead, just 'random'. In other words, if they don't like the look of you, they'll stop you. These searches are being done all over London now. They do one area one day and another the next.

I fear living in a world where a state controlled force can interfere with your daily routine with the excuse "If you've got nothing to hide, you've got nothing to fear". I shouldn't be made to fear the state if I choose to have privacy.

***ryangti*** · May 23rd, 2008 10:52 AM

George orwells prediction came true!
There was also a BBC programme that emphasised this kind of control on the public.
England has a CCTV issue thats proving it does not cut crime,then you have the nanny state being told on how to bring up your children and now this.

In the end it never works and makes many more determined and what about the prison population thats over full.
Ask them to sort out the teen problem and the parents in some cases,if they cannot tackle those issues then whats it all about?

***MapMan*** · May 23rd, 2008 10:54 AM

Originally Posted by ryangti

George orwells prediction came true!
There was also a BBC programme that emphasised this kind of control on the public.
England has a CCTV issue thats proving it does not cut crime,then you have the nanny state being told on how to bring up your children and now this.

In the end it never works and makes many more determined and what about the prison population thats over full.
Ask them to sort out the teen problem and the parents in some cases,if they cannot tackle those issues then whats it all about?

Talking about CCTV, this is a good article about CCTV and the police state. It's probably worthy of a seperate thread actually!

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics..._allseeing_eye

It's about a prototype city in China with 2million CCTV cameras. They are trying to link it to a face recognition system that can identify people in under a second.

***ryangti*** · May 23rd, 2008 11:04 AM

Knowing that we never speak up anymore and put up with it they will control us all.
I speak up when i can back it up and secondly know when they are in the wrong.
Problem though you do this they either try and silence you or say you dont know what your talking about,or twist in what you had said.

You know why i know this?because im having to do this right now and having the silent treatment and being called a liar.
Thats okay just because they are educated they think they no more than you.
Sorry have had hardship and probably have more lifes experience.

I do wonder if people will put up with it knowing crime wont decrease or begin to uprise against the system.

***MapMan*** · May 23rd, 2008 11:12 AM

Originally Posted by ryangti

Knowing that we never speak up anymore and put up with it they will control us all.
I speak up when i can back it up and secondly know when they are in the wrong.
Problem though you do this they either try and silence you or say you dont know what your talking about,or twist in what you had said.

You know why i know this?because im having to do this right now and having the silent treatment and being called a liar.
Thats okay just because they are educated they think they no more than you.
Sorry have had hardship and probably have more lifes experience.

I do wonder if people will put up with it knowing crime wont decrease or begin to uprise against the system.

It's important to know your rights when you are having a section 60 search:

http://www.urban75.org/mayday01/s60.html

If the police don't like you using your rights then they'll have to complain to their superiors who will then complain to theirs and so on until they have to try and get the Public Order Act ammended. When they try this, it'll be our opportunity to protest against it.

***Traveler*** · May 24th, 2008 4:09 PM

There seems to be a move to try and organize the populations into a hive mentality where the state is in control of every thing.

There is one small problem that needs to be taken into account. Humans are mammals, not insects. The most they can hope for is to get the common herd to stampede in the same direction.

The more controls that are brought in the more ways people will find to get around them. In the end if the state wins then the people will simply give up and the state will loose its power base. Either everyone wondering around as hobo's or in prisons that are too small and underfunded to hold them.

Thats how you get failed states.