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Mar 20th, 2004 7:00 AM #26iangurneyGuest
Intellectual Property Theft.
As the piece you posted on this forum, namely "Wake Up Stupid" is not your work, perhaps you would like in future to credit the authors of articles you steal off websites like www.rense.com and which you then try and take credit for. This is plagarism and intellectual property theft.
I want you to apologise to the entire forum for copying my piece of work and claiming it as your own. Copyright laws exist on the internet as they do elsewhere so an apology and an admission of theft needs to be posted on this site by you immediately .
Ian Gurney.........author of "Wake up Stupid" and the bestseller "The Cassandra Prophecy" (www.caspro.com)
Mar 20th, 2004 7:53 AM #27Originally Posted by lotrfan55345
Second, they are screwed. Always look out for number one kid."micky 'I'm an opinionated bastard' doolittle
"A softer MD"...yeah yeah, I know it's an ad for toilet paper. STFU&D
Mar 20th, 2004 8:38 AM #28
Very impressive Lotrfan,
The problem is far greater than we can imagine and yet there are solutions that do not include causing more damage to the environment. As Mike has said it is possible to blame the leaders of the world but the responsibility does fall on to each of our laps. We all have some challenging choices to make, at present it is big business that actually controls many of the decisions that we make and it takes presentations such as this to bring people to the awareness that there are consequences for the choices that we make. Civilization is going to continue but not in the present form, changes are inevitable and it is just a matter of suffering now or suffering more later. The reality of it is that most will choose to suffer greatly later based mostly on ignorance and refusal to understand the signs and take appropriate action.
Moderation can be one of the most innovative ideas that can be chosen, along with a little sacrifice of the more frivolous activities.
Mar 20th, 2004 9:01 AM #29
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I cannot support your remark on global warming. If there truly was a "global warming," then my winters would be much milder. And they are not. They have been far worse with much colder temps and more snow. If there truly was global warming, then the whole freakin' globe would be warming up. It's simply not the case here.
"Global Warming" is a good buzzword though. Makes people sit up and listen. I have a suggestion for you: Think outside the box.Have you forgotten, how it felt that day? To see your homeland under fire and its people blown away. Have you forgotten, how those towers fell? We had neighbors still inside going through a living hell......
Don't ever forget!!
Mar 20th, 2004 10:33 AM #30
Global Warming is cutting off the thermohaline circulation. It will make Eastern North America and Western Europe have a climate like Siberia, along with other weather variations along the world.... Also, the world is warming up. We have more "record highs" than "record lows".
for copying my piece of work and claiming it as your own.
Mar 20th, 2004 1:54 PM #31Mr_WGuest
Actually Michigan had a couple record lows this winter, some of the lowest temperatures in a while. I don't see a whole lot of warming going on, I wish it would get warmer! TOO COLD!!! It's probably a lot colder in Minnesota though.
And I'll give you a good "Thinking outside of the box Apocolypse" for 'ya. The Sheep are going to kill us all, in about 7 Years.
Lotrfan you are very pessimistic; Humans are very smart, adaptable little buggers. We can think of something.
Mar 20th, 2004 2:56 PM #32I never said I wrote it, people assumed I wrote it. So I'm just like whatever
Lotrfan you are very pessimistic; Humans are very smart, adaptable little buggers. We can think of something.Sleep the sleep of the just.
Mar 20th, 2004 3:47 PM #33
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Then it's not global warming...Its sporadic warming, sporadic cooling. The scenario does not fit.
Originally Posted by lotrfan55345Have you forgotten, how it felt that day? To see your homeland under fire and its people blown away. Have you forgotten, how those towers fell? We had neighbors still inside going through a living hell......
Don't ever forget!!
Mar 20th, 2004 4:56 PM #34
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I saw the trailer for The Day After Tomorrow and it looks over the top. I am going to see it but I dont think I am going to like it.
Mar 20th, 2004 5:47 PM #35Then it's not global warming...Its sporadic warming, sporadic cooling. The scenario does not fit.
When I said we have more record highs than lows, I was convincing you that the world in general was warming up.
Mar 21st, 2004 5:25 AM #36iangurneyGuest
Wake Up Stupid.
As the auhtor of "Wake Up Stupid" I notice a few people out there are asking a very sensible question. If the planet is "Warming" how come the northern hemisphere is going to get "Cooler".
Below is an article I wrote for the UK's Daily Express last year, in which I explain exactly why global warming will send northern Europe and the US into a new ice age.
I have left my research links at the bottom of the article to further help anyone who wants more information.
Ice Age Britain?
by Ian Gurney.
Published in the November 8th. 2003 edition of The Daily Express.
NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies, in a report to be published
in November's edition of the American Meteorological Society's Journal
of Climate, reports that "The summer ice cover in the Arctic has been
declining at a rate of nine per cent a decade and is very close to the
record low set last year." It warns that "If the high latitudes continue to
warm, and ice cover continues to decline, the whole planet will be
At the same time, Dr Seymour Laxon, from the Centre for Polar
Observation and Modelling at University College London reported in the
30th. October edition of Nature magazine that "Global warming and
climate change has caused a 40% thinning of the Arctic ice fields since
the 1960's. Continued decrease in the Arctic's ice cover," says Dr. Laxon,
"would also act to increase the effects of global warming in the northern
hemisphere by decreasing the amount of sunlight reflected by the ice."
Here in the British Isles, far from being disturbed by the effects of
global warming, most have welcomed this predicted climate change as
having a beneficial effect on the UK weather, giving us warmer winters
and hotter summers, much like the Mediterranean climate.
However, startling new evidence suggests that global warming could have
a very different affect on the UK's climate. As Dr. Laxon says, "Arctic
ice plays a role in the operation of the Gulf Stream, and this could be
disrupted by continued thinning of the ice. It could shut down the Gulf
Stream, and if that happens, the United Kingdom would be plunged into an
Arctic winter within a few years."
Currently Britain enjoys remarkably mild weather for a land mass so far
north. Other areas parallel to Britain, such as parts of Siberia, Alaska
and Canada, are inhospitable, sparsely populated and devoid of
agriculture. In Churchill, Manitoba, on the same latitude as Inverness, the
winter is long, the snow is deep, the sea freezes far and wide as the
thermometer falls to minus 50C. There are only two months a year
without snow. When the polar bears emerge from hibernation, they gnaw
the dustbins in Churchill in search of scraps.
The factor that keeps Britain's climate temperate is the Gulf Stream, an
ocean current that brings five trillion tons of warm water from the
tropics to Europe every day. This warms the air, and keeps our winters
However, this may not last. For over 30 years, climate researchers
working for the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate
Change (IPCC) have been analysing samples from Greenland’s polar ice
caps. These tell a story of wildly fluctuating weather, with sudden and
drastic changes in climate. The last 11,000 years have seen a remarkably
stable period, which has enabled the growth of settlements, agriculture,
and civilisation itself. But alarming new reports suggest that this period
might be coming to an end.
The thick polar ice of the north Atlantic forces the warm, saline currents
of the Gulf Stream deep underwater, creating an effect scientists call a
"conveyor belt". As the polar water sinks, the warmer water is drawn in
from the south to take its place, creating a current flowing across the
Atlantic from south to north.
If the ice caps — which are composed of fresh water — start melting in
sufficient quantities it could dilute the Gulf Stream, making it less saline,
less dense and preventing it from sinking. It will simply stay on the
surface of the Arctic Ocean and freeze. If there is no water sinking,
there will be nothing to draw the warm replacement water in from the
south, causing the "conveyor belt" effect to stop.
According to James Hansen, of NASA's Goddard Institute for Space
Studies, "It would take no more than a quarter of 1 per cent more fresh
water flowing into the North Atlantic from melting glaciers to bring the
northwards flow of the Gulf Stream to a halt."
This cataclysmic event would force temperatures in Great Britain down
by as much as 15 degrees Celsius, equivalent to almost 60 degrees
Fahrenheit, in a very short period of time, and according to some IPCC
researchers, such a catastrophe could be imminent.
The effects of this catastrophe are hard to comprehend. The farming
industry of the British Isles will be completely destroyed, as the drop in
temperature halts agricultural growth completely, making animal
husbandry and food production virtually impossible. Britain's
infrastructure, designed over centuries for a temperate climate, will
collapse, forcing manufacturers, businesses and services into terminal
decline, with the consequent massive rise in unemployment sending
consumer spending on anything but winter clothing and food spiralling
downwards. The British economy, financial institutions, major businesses
and services and the British people will be in deep trouble.
It would appear that far from creating an idyllic Mediterranean climate,
global warming could send the British Isles back into the Ice Age.
©Copyright: Ian Gurney November 2003.
Ian Gurney is a journalist, broadcaster and author of the bestseller "The
Cassandra Prophecy" (www.caspro.com) published by International Global
Press. ISBN 0953581314. He can be contacted at :firstname.lastname@example.org
Research Links :
Natural Environmental Research Council.
www.giss.nasa.gov Goddard Institute for Space Studies.
www.nature.com Nature Magazine.
www.ipcc.ch Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change.
www.met-office.gov.uk Hadley Meteorological Centre.
www.royalsoc.ac.uk The Royal Society.
Climate change on the Internet:
Mar 21st, 2004 5:33 AM #37
Excellent read Ian.... and welcome to the forums!
Hope you stick around here...
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Mar 22nd, 2004 8:15 AM #38
That is all true, as well for the United States, but hey does anyone notice every year when ya take a trip to the beach, the water just seems colder every damn time? I notice it myself...
Now when you guys say ohh, its colder here, blah blah, well see were talking about the extremes of nature. Its going to freeze to shit. Global Warming??? Well i think the summers are going to be so blistering that , the forests burn, and people begin to melt... AHHHHHHH!!SAUSAGE
Mar 23rd, 2004 9:54 AM #39
As Bigsky said, "A difference of just one hundred miles could mean the difference to a warm-temprate climate to a Siberian climate".
Apr 4th, 2004 3:47 PM #40
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Humanity may -may - be accelerating some natural fluctuations with the earth's climate but don't forget that these fluctuation HAVE happened over and over again throughout the history of the earth. We've had what (?) half a dozen ice ages in the last few million years, volcanic eruptions are a DAILY event, earthquakes..ditto ...
What does sound stupid is your constant politicizing the problem and blaming BUSH when the human element of this problem has existed since the onset of the industrail revolution. Compared with the rest of the industrailized world the American contribution to pollution is based almost solely on their wealth and hence the abundance of vehicles. Industrial pollution throughout the rest of the planet has been bad enough to make the US contribution look like a friggin garden. Have you ever seen the Caspian Basin where Russia got most of its oil. Not a plant grows for thousands of square miles. Ditto MOST of the Chinese industrail areas and there IS NO POLLUTION CONTROL in those places. The problem is global. You trivailize the argument when you make it sound like BUSH is the (only) bad guy.
Get over the BUSH BASHING, write your own articles (plagerizing or simply drag and dropping other writers' articles doesn't "count" as "I've written articles...." OK) and you may be taken seriously...but I doubt it.
Apr 4th, 2004 7:57 PM #41Originally Posted by MR.G
It's gonna happen, ain't it?
What does sound stupid is your constant politicizing the problem and blaming BUSH when the human element of this problem has existed since the onset of the industrail revolution
ndustrial pollution throughout the rest of the planet has been bad enough to make the US contribution look like a friggin garden.
your own articles (plagerizing or simply drag and dropping other writers' articles doesn't "count" as "I've written articles...." OK)
Apr 5th, 2004 3:15 AM #42
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""Whats your point? It's gonna happen, ain't it?""
Of course it will. When is the question. Tomrrow or when the sun novas out? You're guess is as good as mine.
""I never said it was all his fault, but he enacted environmental De-regulations...""
You're constantly harping about BUSH. I doubt very much whether his DEregulations matter much in the grand scheme of things.
""Now where was it I heard that the US was the top contributor to greenhouse gasses... ""
Of course it is. Not only the wealth of the nation allows almost everybody to have a car or three but there is also a huge amount of greenhouse gasses produced from the entire farm industry. The US feeds a good chunk of the world via food aid. To reduce greenhouse gasses that MAY at some time in the future trigger climate changes do you seriously suggest tens of millions of hmans be left to starve NOW? I think even the most diehard tree huggers might have second thoughts about that strategy.
As far as 3rd world pollution goes - greenhouse gasses are not good. We know that but some of the pollution from the 3rd world and Russia and China are a lot worse than greenhouse gasses. At least the west has tried to control that, bury it, incinerate it - whatever it takes to clean it up.
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