Biometric RFID-DL: Bill 85 Passed!

[acacia]

Ontario Legislature Passes Bill 85
Tuesday November 18, 2008

The Ontario legislature this morning passed Bill 85, facilitating the creation of an "enhanced drivers' licence" that uses RFID.

Excerpt from link below:

Ontario, and the rest of Canada, is being forced into including radio and biometric features in future drivers licenses by the United States government.

http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/1...vers-licenses/



Question for US residents:
What year does your DL expire? Does your state issue 8 year or 4 year license?

[Assassin X]

Thank god this is for those Canadian sucke....I mean....people. lol

Seriously though I am mixed on it. Its still better then a chip in my damn body. But at the same time its one more step TOWARDS a chip in my hand. And even in your card it means a bunch of shit like tracking. Thank god my memory sucks and I leave my wallet at home 99% of the time lol. They'd probably stop tracking me because they think I am a hermit or something.

[severdsoul]

Montana is 8 years, They tried to force us to get the new drivers license last summer but our governor fought it and said NO. So we are one of the few states that dont have it. A lot went to it..
I keep telling people the chip is for more than keeping their id info, but no one believes me.. So for now we are ok.. hopefully we will hold them off a while longer..
if not i may have to do some considering of where/when i carry my license..
lock it in the car and not take it with me to places. limit the ability to track.

[acacia]

Thank god this is for those Canadian sucke....I mean....people. lol

You'd better think again.

Ontario, and the rest of Canada, is being forced into including radio and biometric features in future drivers licenses by the United States government.

Makes you wonder what they have in mind for us.....

[DontBeAfraid]

It just makes it easier to scan your license... WHICH ALREADY HAS A BARCODE ON IT!

[Blu-ray]

It just makes it easier to scan your license... WHICH ALREADY HAS A BARCODE ON IT!

Or like mine which has a magnetic strip that seems to wear out too fast.

[Beatnik Bob]

It just makes it easier to scan your license... WHICH ALREADY HAS A BARCODE ON IT!

Correction: a barcode with GPS technology....

Ontario, and the rest of Canada, is being forced into including radio and biometric features in future drivers licenses by the United States government.

Odd they would be "forced", considering much of the US doesn't have these kinds of licenses...
I know the military has it, my sister is in the coast gaurd and has had an RFID chip for awhile now....but that's the military...and I imagine many other country militias have them...

[Nu Kua]

I understand privacy rights issues, but I cannot help but think this is nothing more than a natural direction the technology would take, just like in medicine. We started by drilling holes in skulls to release demons, but eventually that led to today, where a woman just had a new windpipe grown for her in a laboratory to replace her original.
I am sure there is an evil group of people sitting around thinking of how they can use this for an unsavory purpose, just like there are others who are excited about seeing the positives that can come from it. That's how it is with any and all tools we gain access too, or develop.

I don't like the idea of easily being "tracked" either, but the truth also is they do not have the funds, the manpower, nor the incentive to track every single person all of the time in the US/Canada. Let's face it, anybody tracking most of us would get bored and quit in short order, anyway.

[Mystery]

I am not surprised. Have to agree though, better in the license then my body. We already have the bar codes on ours here.

[flagg]

How would one go about disabling the RFID chip? Would a strong magnetic pulse do it? A light tap with a hammer in the right place? Would anyone know that you did it? How far is the range on one of those chips?
Im asking because I really don't know much about them.

F.

[proffett]

If you disable it, in essance you are turned off. No more buying power, no more banking power, no more travel, you can do nothing without the chip. Which is fine if you want to live off the radar, but not too many will commit to that. What's more frightening than being watched and tracked? That if they disagree with your views or actions they will just turn your chip off. Maybe not now, maybe not in our generation, but it is moving in that direction. They are keeping you in a suspended state of materialism and ignorance once you step outside the box, you are a target.

But back to the chip, it is just another nail in the coffin of freedom.

[DontBeAfraid]

These "chips" can not be turned off remotely... they would have to be physically broken as they are not "powered" in any way except that they resonate when hit with a specific radio frequency... so they only give information when scanned.... just like a barcode only gives information when scanned... just like your license only gives information when read.

[Tired Old Man]

Have you ever used a credit card or debit card? If you have they already know how you spend your money. Do you have a toll pass? Then they know some of where you drive, and at what time. I don't think anyone is trying to track you or me. But for some reason it seems they want to know what we do. Better control of people I guess.

[James Random]

Have to agree with TOM here.

To be honest, I think when it comes to the 'mark of the beast' stuff you all fear, that mark will be your very own DNA. Over here there's plans to start using BM readers in shop, in which you run the thumb of your right hand over the reader to pay for goods.

[Traveler]

This may interest you, The first nation to be implanted with this chip is to be Israel.

And by the way it can be turned off remotely. The computer system that responds to it can be instructed not to recognize that particular chip which amounts to the same thing.

[tasbin03]

you cell phone can be tracked through a gps emitter in all phones. you're already tracked, sorry.

and conversations can be heard through your cell phone speakers/mic even if the phone is off, at remote locations.

RFID chips - so what?

[Goldmoon]

Yep, coming this march in your driver's liscence.

I have heard rumours that there is the number "666" inside the chip somehow, however, this doesn't sound probable, and it is likely just a made-up conspiracy. Anyone else heard of this?

What I also wonder, is if the economy gets bad enough, will they implement a cashless chip system while changing over to a new currency?

In any case, I'm not taking any chip. I have a driver's liscence that doesn't expire until 2012, so if they offer me a chipped one, I'll be like: "Nope, I'm good. Mine works just fine, I won't be going across the border anyways"

And if they try to push it on me, then I will start to wonder.

If you disable it, in essance you are turned off. No more buying power, no more banking power, no more travel, you can do nothing without the chip. Which is fine if you want to live off the radar, but not too many will commit to that. What's more frightening than being watched and tracked? That if they disagree with your views or actions they will just turn your chip off. Maybe not now, maybe not in our generation, but it is moving in that direction. They are keeping you in a suspended state of materialism and ignorance once you step outside the box, you are a target.

Also, is it true that they put the chip in all babies now?

Through fear, they can get the populations to do almost anything...

[Bluebonn]

you cell phone can be tracked through a gps emitter in all phones. you're already tracked, sorry.

and conversations can be heard through your cell phone speakers/mic even if the phone is off, at remote locations.

RFID chips - so what?

Well I might be the only one who does not have a cell phone. I had one but hardly use it anymore. Just does not make sense for me to pay for something I never use. I am sure they track you with all kinds of different things.

But who the hell would want to track me anyways? I probably have the most boring life on the planet.

[Assassin X]

But eventually it will happen here. Have people not seen the stories of them testing it here? What do think comes after testing? lol.

Although supposedly its said that the USA will not force people to have RFID chips if they don't want it. But when the time comes we will see what really happens. It will probably change by then and be like "You still don't have to have the chip......just read the rules of what happens if you don't get it!". Always a catch.

[Goldmoon]

"You still don't have to have the chip......just read the rules of what happens if you don't get it!". Always a catch.

You're a T if you don't get it... That could be the catch.

[Max]

Uki, this sort of step is what the Nibiru crowd has been waiting for, for like 10 years right? When I used to read conspiracies they were all about "RFID chips implanted" in the future. What do you make of this bill?

[UVsaturated]

Acacia, your God must really have it out for you. I mean, what God would give a person the ultimatum of; show loyalty by suffering and death by not taking an ID card. I don't know Acacia. To me it sounds a lot like Karma expressing itself in your life.

[Goldmoon]

Acacia, your God must really have it out for you. I mean, what God would give a person the ultimatum of; show loyalty by suffering and death by not taking an ID card. I don't know Acacia. To me it sounds a lot like Karma expressing itself in your life.

It does make perfect sense though, it shows whether you are loyal to man society and the world, or loyal to God. Its the point in which technology and man converge. A major test. Whether people want to give up the desires of this world to serve the Lord. It says in revelation that "no man might buy or sell save he that has the mark", and that "those who worship the beast and his image will be tormented for eternity."

[severdsoul]

Just remember when the SHTF , put your wallet in the microwave for about 20 seconds
and leave your cell phone at home.
I'd say pull the battery, but it has its own stored power, otherwise it would not remember the numbers when it goes dead..

My question is why is the US telling canada what to do..
just not right.. not right at all.
But then again here are a LOT of things any more that are not right.

[RhymnRzn]

Considering that the mark of the beast will not be introduced until the physical openning of the bottomless pit occurs, it should still be discerned that it is not the Lord who requires this deed. This whole rfid-id card propagation is the yoke of men who frame mischief in certain laws: whilst they inhabit the stony places they trust in, destined to be overthrown, they use feigned speeches and lying words in order to make merchandise of men, and serve themselves of the people without ceasing. The natural course is on fire of a chain reaction of combustions of hell, as they who exalt themselves above their brethren rule by themselves, and have no quarrel with multiplying the burden on our necks and sending our sons and daughters to their wars. Through a concord between tresspassing vipers, one group multiplies the altars of fine hewn craft (the works of their own hands, and the chambers of their imagery) so that men can take holy for common, and common for holy, and the others conjure unto themselves the fullness of the gentiles in the paths of the Destroyer, to stand in the gap until the hour of temptation, to give life to their life-less devices and graven abominations until they have power to stand on their own, weaned from their nursing mother.

It became a great sin unto King David to go and number the people of Israel, a matter that belongs to God only: anyone lading that burdensome stone shall find it worse than to walk around with a one talent or 75-pound crown of gold and precious stones upon their head; heavier than the government upon the shoulders. Yet, I for one will not gaze upon the Devil while he exalts himself to show his son as God, exercising God-like powers: those fallen from their original habitation were always copying and robbing from the true, yet gave their praise not to God, and their's was turned into service unto idols and new gods: but according as the Antichrist thinks an evil thought we shall see who is the living God in perfect sequence.

The abiding judgement of the LORD is in spirit, and not of this world, and will be carried out when all is final and certain, though this day be not different than that day in many ways: soon they will be one and the selfsame day.