Holocaust, Slavery.....Religious Holocaust Next? Question...

[Assassin X]

I was thinking about something and I never really thought about it this way before. Slavery of blacks in the USA started a long time ago and then was ended. Same goes for the Holocaust (well just not in the USA). Everyone thinks these things are horrible acts of humanity. Oppressing man. And we endlessly have things that talk about all the time (not meant as a complaint).

So what about religion? Not just mine. All religion. Although I will say at least in the USA Christianity seems to butt heads the most with everything because of what we push against what science teaches on major issues.

Anyways... anyone that doesn't like religion would assume it be banned, gotten rd of....etc. Well we've seen plenty of times where someone has been beaten because they are religious and things of this nature. Does this not sound like the start of a epic event like Slavery or the Holocaust where something is oppressed because the general opinion does not like whats going on?

We see around the world that in various ways religion is slowly having its share of problems. In England I believe you can no longer where religious symbols on necklaces or something to that extent, such as a cross. Here in the USA new things pop up all the time about what can and can't be done regarding religion.... no commandments on walls in courts, no "In god we trust" on money, no prayer in school".

At what point does it stop? Now I already know some of you will be madly typing away about its all in our heads. But any religious person can tell you on this side you can clearly see a stronger hate growing for religion... and I mean ANY religion not just mine and this goes for not just people who are religious in the USA.

So when we start banning religion all together and start arresting people for reading bibles in on lunch breaks and stuff. What will you say then? Or when it gets past that point and people start killing people because they are religious? I would say this is a horrible act of humanity. Is it as horrible as Slavery or the Holocaust? Well no. But its on the same level of oppression... opression is opression no matter what. And when it gest to that level people should look back in history and see what they are doing because religious hate just leads to future history books saying "In 20xx the world commited horrible acts of religious opression....".

So thats my take on it. You may feel diffrent but like I say, if your on that side of the line the grass is greener. But to anyone thats religious (any religion) things aren't so pretty on this side. Its a "Your wrong no matter what!" world.

[Cartesiantheater]

Oppression is oppression. Racist hate is worse I think, but if a religion is willing to let other people live their own lives according to their own religious beliefs, there is little reason to attack it.

EDIT- however, people wanting to keep corporate christian prayer out of school is not an attack on Christianity. Christians trying to keep corporate Christian prayer in school is an attack on every other religion.

Maybe one day you will see it.

[Traveler]

All you have done is point out the obvious.

This trend is starting now but will be full blown after the coming wars. It is talked about in Revelation in the opening of the 5th seal.

All the worlds problems will be blamed on the Jews and the Christians. What ever made you think that the anti-christ would allow any of them to move freely in the new world order that he wishes to control.

[Assassin X]

Oppression is oppression. Racist hate is worse I think

Well yeah. race hate is worse. But... I guess what I am getting at in my topic is if the USA was basically to end up like Germany and start ban religion all together then to imprison people that didn't obey the law and even kill them. Then at that point it would be equal to race hate and something like the holocaust because now its gone to far. And thats my concern.

You people see every little thing as "Well its this or that" and you throw a reason why its no big deal when it happens (kinda like the Nazis). But where does it end? And why does it make it right? You only seem to think its wrong if my color is in play or I am a slave or some junk. As if religion is diffrent. Hate is hate. The USA and even the world is slowing in parts turning against various religions. And this seems acceptable because its not as bad as hating a jew or a black. Its "just religion". Because if you't don't believe in evolution and the big bang for example then your a moron anyways!

So if the blacks believed that should we have kept them as slaves and never let them be free men? Because thats what I get out if this. "Your dumb, your religion(s) are dumb, so who cares what happens to you!".

but if a religion is willing to let other people live their own lives according to their own religious beliefs, there is little reason to attack it.

Well tehnically we do. Speaking for the US at least it seems though the gov always has new thing it doesn't like us doing. lets use prayer in schools. If its been there forever (just saying) then why change it? You'd say because other religions don't like it. And while I do understand that...christianity was the main religion here. If Russian decides "Hey lets take over America today!"

Do we let them? No. Same goes for religion. Just because other religions now are becoming big in America doesn't mean that suddenly old christian things that happen here should not exist in schools and stuff. Its the dominate religion then people can get over it. Obviously this stuff has been here for ages and no one had a problem before. What about countries that have only one religion. I don't them allowing other religions to stop them from practicing old common practices.

BUT if worse comes to worse and thats the way people want it then so be it. So next question is if we all are "forced" to have equal religious rules what do we do about religious hate in general from non-religious people?

EDIT- however, people wanting to keep corporate christian prayer out of school is not an attack on Christianity. Christians trying to keep corporate Christian prayer in school is an attack on every other religion.

See above. USA is land of the free, free speech and all. But obviously our primary religion isn't allowed anymore just because there are new neighbors (so to speak). Well and hyper-sensitive wimps (that would be the non-religious people).

I can say though. When religion gets screwed over in America and elsewhere (which its happening elsewhere more) I'll be glad to know that americans were know as people that enslaved blacks and hated religious people. What a lovely legacy. Wait I forgot we also created the most deadly weapon of all time and used it to. (looks at the nuke) No wonder why we hate anything that general people do not like.

[Cartesiantheater]

Round and round we go.

Let's say you have a kid. Let's say this kid has to do a Satanist prayer every morning in school while the principle says a Satanic prayer over the intercom every day. Would you not want that corporate prayer removed?

Or would you just be a wimp?

[proffett]

Sorry, religious persecution has been around forever and it began with Christianity. It's karmic debt now, coming full circle. You believers will reap what you sow. Perhaps you are decent and tolerant in this life, but there was a time when you were not. Not individually, not collectively. Sucks don't it. I sound mean as shit, but quite frankly, I have dealt with my share of stereotypes and persection for my own beliefs now my entire life. I could never wear my penticle or pentigram in school. I couldn't speak openly about my Grimoire or spells, ceremonies or rituals, Magick or meditation. It was all labeled stanism because of misunderstandings, deceit and lies over the ages. It's only going to get worse, imagine being slaughtered for your convictions. Burned, drowned, etc etc..

[DontBeAfraid]

Persecution COMPLEX!

[DontBeAfraid]

See above. USA is land of the free, free speech and all. But obviously our primary religion isn't allowed anymore just because there are new neighbors (so to speak). Well and hyper-sensitive wimps (that would be the non-religious people).

WE DONT HAVE A PRIMARY RELIGION! The USA has NO national religion AssX! It NEVER HAS.

[Nu Kua]

The Holocaust was not about religion...

[Cartesiantheater]

WE DONT HAVE A PRIMARY RELIGION! The USA has NO national religion AssX! It NEVER HAS.

Let's not forget that the Treaty Of Tripoli, voted UNANIMOUSLY by the Senate and signed by the President, EXPLICITLY STATES that the nation was NOT FOUNDED UPON CHRISTIANITY!



Why can't Christians just be content to have the SAME rights as other religions? Why must they cry persecution when they don't get SPECIAL TREATMENT? Makes no sense.

[Blu-ray]

WE DONT HAVE A PRIMARY RELIGION! The USA has NO national religion AssX! It NEVER HAS.

I agree.

This country was founded on the principle of separation of church and state, i.e. no designated national religion. All persons are allowed to practice their religious beliefs, as long as they do not harm or infringe upon the rights of others, without fear of persecution because of such. i.e. The state will not tell you that you must practice Religion A because Religion B is not accepted by the state.

[Traveler]

WE DONT HAVE A PRIMARY RELIGION! The USA has NO national religion AssX! It NEVER HAS.

I have heard this repeated on this forum even though it is inaccurate. But it has been said so many time that now people are starting to think that it has to be true even though it is not.

Go Back and look at your declaration of independence.

You had the audacity to use the name of God as your authority for your rebellion against your King and for your belief in your right for men to be free.

So do not come and tell me that God was not in the foundation of the building of your country.

[Traveler]

The Holocaust was not about religion...

One of the main accusations against the Jews was that they were Christs Killers. The Nazi's may have had other motives for baking the Jews but they used religion as the justification and quoted the scriptures where the crowd declared that the blood of Christ be on them and their children when condemning him before Pilot

[Cartesiantheater]

I have heard this repeated on this forum even though it is inaccurate. But it has been said so many time that now people are starting to think that it has to be true even though it is not.

Go Back and look at your declaration of independence.

You had the audacity to use the name of God as your authority for your rebellion against your King and for your belief in your right for men to be free.

So do not come and tell me that God was not in the foundation of the building of your country.

The Declaration of Independence is not a legal document that holds any jurisdiction other than the formal separation from Britain. The Constitution is what the country is founded upon. Further, in Supreme Court rulings throughout the years, the Declaration of Independence has never been considered a legal document in the sense that decisions have been made that sight it as a precedence.

The highest law of the land is the Constitution. Nary a reference to God in sight, is there?

Regardless, the word "God" does NOT = Christianity. Have you read what the founding fathers have said about Christianity?

[lycanox]

One of the main accusations against the Jews was that they were Christs Killers. The Nazi's may have had other motives for baking the Jews but they used religion as the justification and quoted the scriptures where the crowd declared that the blood of Christ be on them and their children when condemning him before Pilot

Nope, the Jews were just one of the many people targeted by the Nazis.
And the Nazis, just like America and the rest of europe during that time.
Believed in a new age misinterpretation of evolution theory, prophecies and Nordic mythology. They wouldn't care about Christ as he was a Semite worshipped by a rival religion in National socialist eyes.

The main accusation was that the Jews and other races were part of an inferior race. Which deluded the genetic material of the higher races by breeding. So that eventually the ariers lost their superpowers. And the armies from the east could overrun the empire.

[Blu-ray]

Nope, the Jews were just one of the many people targeted by the Nazis.
And the Nazis, just like America and the rest of europe during that time.
Believed in a new age misinterpretation of evolution theory, prophecies and Nordic mythology. They wouldn't care about Christ as he was a Semite worshipped by a rival religion in National socialist eyes.

The main accusation was that the Jews and other races were part of an inferior race. Which deluded the genetic material of the higher races by breeding. So that eventually the ariers lost their superpowers. And the armies from the east could overrun the empire.

Exactly. Besides Jews they targeted Gypsies, Gays, Eastern Europeans and others.

[TC]

Any futuristic power will have done away with formal beliefs on a national scale, simply because it would be in conflict with the effectiveness of a unified system. No doubt there will be pockets of those who hold fast to a faith, but the majority will conform to whatever feeds and clothes them.

As each new generation emerges on the scene, the greater the distance between them and whats left of old school religion. Even today the majority has declined in any declaration of a formal faith or doctrine, seeing that the problems caused from a structured faith have brought us to the brink more than once, and have divided the world.

Whether or not its outlawed is anyone's guess, and realistically you would play hell making Islam, Christianity, or Judaism a crime to practice, given the amount of people still believing in these.

[J. Cruise]

It's karmic debt now, coming full circle.

Finally someone who see's things how they are! How many atrocities have been carried out in the christian god's name? Karma is a bitch, and it's about to run over your dogma! lol Not that I would promote the killing of xians but it's high time they got to know what it feels like on the other end of the spectrum!

[Assassin X]

Bah this is why I don't bother debating about this stuff. You guys believe what you want so much you think its true. Christianity was what this country was founded on. Plain and simple. Just like most countries tend to have a religion they have had since day one.

Now I am not saying ANYTHING about accept my religion or anything. You all know full well I hate dumbass bible thumpers that shove religion down your throats. But fact remains the non-thumping shit is being taken away just because people don't want it here. Stuff thats been here since day one. And now its spreading to other religions and beyond. And this topic even is talking about other countries where religion is being cut away at.

My point was what will happen when we get to the point of something like a holocaust kind a deal. No shit that was diffrent. But you get what I am saying.

And BTW what makes you think just because something you read says christianity wasn't here to begin with means it true? Everyone at AO knows everything you read can't be true. If that was the case then no one would know whats real or fake. Hell everything you even see about the beginning of this country shows christanity or other branches of the religion being brought here THEREFOR thats what this country is founded on. Get over it. Its not the end of the world.

Also. If you don't like this fact would you go to another country and tell them NOT to keep their countries long lasting religion just because you don't like it? I doubt it. Everyone thinks alot of diffrent things in America and they really need to understand while we are all equal it doesn't change the fact the US still has things it was founded on and should at least keep those going to some extent. Instead we are just hushing our founded stuff up to keep whiny americans happy. What a great history lesson to teach future generations! "Be proud of your countries past! And if you don't like it, complain and change it!"

I can see why America is not mentioned in the bible. We obviously are punished by God and wiped off the earth. Such as happened in the past around the world. I dare say New Orleans. Although most say that really wasn't God. But if it was a warning to America, then we are all screwed because of what people try to do to things like religion. We are immoral, corrupt country and well I hate humans anyways but USA really does deserve to be wiped of the planet anyways...God or not.

And no I am not posting here anymore. Like every other topic about religion its pointless against people that have an idea stuck in their head and won't budge anyways.

[Skygirl]

My religious practices were illegal until 1978 when the American Indian Religious Freedoms Act (AIRFA).

Similarly in 1993 the Religious Freedom Act was passed which means everyone else's free exercise of religion is protected (to a certain extent).

People who gained by the passing of AIRFA were very supportive of the passing of the Religious Freedom Act. I admit, I do wonder, how many communicants of mainstream religion would or do support the religious freedom of others?

[Skygirl]

Bah this is why I don't bother debating about this stuff. You guys believe what you want so much you think its true. Christianity was what this country was founded on. Plain and simple. Just like most countries tend to have a religion they have had since day one.

Christinaity was not what this coutry was founded on (the pilgrims came to flee religious persecution yet turned around and persecuted others, that is not nice). America was founded on CIVIL DISOBEDIENCE.

Now I am not saying ANYTHING about accept my religion or anything. You all know full well I hate dumbass bible thumpers that shove religion down your throats. But fact remains the non-thumping shit is being taken away just because people don't want it here. Stuff thats been here since day one. And now its spreading to other religions and beyond. And this topic even is talking about other countries where religion is being cut away at.

Stuff that was here since day one...so, what are your feelings on slavery? It was defended numerous times from a religiously philosophical standpoint. Please read Proslavery: A History of the Defense of Slavery in America, 1701-1840. By Larry E. Tise. Athens, Georgia: University of Georgia Press, 1987. pp. xviii, 501. ISBN 0820309273. TCU call number E 337.5 T57 1987. then get back to me.

My point was what will happen when we get to the point of something like a holocaust kind a deal. No shit that was diffrent. But you get what I am saying.

I don't know that it will ever get there. Honestly I don't think so. But what will happen if it does? Backwoods revivals. Ministering to ones own family. Being willing to take a risk in order to practice what you believe. It'll surely sererate the true believers from the going to church because it makes me look good kind of people. Perhaps it will be a revival of the oldest christian practices, perhaps you will once again recognize one another by drawing a fish in the dirt. Is that really so bad? Getting back to your roots? Experiencing what the earliest believers practiced? I would think this would strengthen your faith.

And BTW what makes you think just because something you read says christianity wasn't here to begin with means it true? Everyone at AO knows everything you read can't be true. If that was the case then no one would know whats real or fake. Hell everything you even see about the beginning of this country shows christanity or other branches of the religion being brought here THEREFOR thats what this country is founded on. Get over it. Its not the end of the world.

Christianity didn't exist until there was Christ.

Christianity was the common denominator for the colonists. However it was not founded in religion, again it was founded on civil disobedience. The revolutionary war had nothing to do with christianity.

Also. If you don't like this fact would you go to another country and tell them NOT to keep their countries long lasting religion just because you don't like it? I doubt it. Everyone thinks alot of diffrent things in America and they really need to understand while we are all equal it doesn't change the fact the US still has things it was founded on and should at least keep those going to some extent. Instead we are just hushing our founded stuff up to keep whiny americans happy. What a great history lesson to teach future generations! "Be proud of your countries past! And if you don't like it, complain and change it!"

Ehem. Thats what happened here dear (referring to your first sentence). Again, this country was founded on civil disobedience.

I can see why America is not mentioned in the bible. We obviously are punished by God and wiped off the earth. Such as happened in the past around the world. I dare say New Orleans. Although most say that really wasn't God. But if it was a warning to America, then we are all screwed because of what people try to do to things like religion. We are immoral, corrupt country and well I hate humans anyways but USA really does deserve to be wiped of the planet anyways...God or not.

Katerina didn't hit just New Orleans. Granted New Orleans is considered by some to be 'sin city' (it's actually a beautiful city and some truley magnificent churches were destroyed). However what about all of the smaller cities and towns that were devestated? Communities that had strong christian bases? What were they doing wrong?

And you're right, this country is immoral. And it's corrupt. Do something about it.

And no I am not posting here anymore. Like every other topic about religion its pointless against people that have an idea stuck in their head and won't budge anyways.

Then for crying out loud stop creating threads about religion you goofball!

[J. Cruise]

And BTW what makes you think just because something you read says christianity wasn't here to begin with means it true? Everyone at AO knows everything you read can't be true. If that was the case then no one would know whats real or fake.

And yet you believe in the bible??? Don't believe everything you read... you said it yourself!!!

[Tired Old Man]

Not sure about China. But wasn't religion outlawed in the USSR? That woked out good , didn't it.

[DontBeAfraid]

Christianity was what this country was founded on. Plain and simple. Just like most countries tend to have a religion they have had since day one.

This countries founders were strongly opposed to a national religion. That is why no religious test can be given to hold public office!

[Freddy]

Christianity was what this country was founded on. Plain and simple.

So you believe the USA was founded on Christianity. Where exactly in the US Constitution does it say that? Where does it even mention the words, Christ, Christianity , or God? I will make it easy for you with a link to the Constitution.

You made the assertion that the US is founded on Christianity. I say you are ignorant. So here is your chance to show your evidence. Put up or shut up!
http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html