health benefits of urine

[uki]

recently i have been delving into natural remedies that help dissolve blood clots and promote cardiovascular health when i stumbled upon this article... http://www.all-natural.com/urine.html. apparently the kidneys produce an emzyme called urokinase which activates plasminogen directly, which is used to dissolve blood clots in the arteries and veins... unfortunately the only way to naturally ingest this emzyme is by drinking your own urine.

urokinase definition... http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/...9955/urokinase

plasminogen definition... http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/...03/plasminogen

comments anyone?

[uki]

and speaking of the all-time greatest synchs... i posted this thread at 11:11... fucking wow, eh?

[proffett]

My brother and my mom both had ear problems when they were younger. I remember my mom telling me an old wives tale she had heard from her grandmother. Basically, to cure ear infections both medially (middle ear) and externally (outer ear), one should urinate in a cup and pour into the afflicted ear. The compounds in urine are apparently healing.

Anyway, I have been studying medicine my whole life. Home remedies keep popping up just as, if not more, effective than anything big pharma can dish out.

*Edit*
I'll throw some links up here a little later.. I am out of time.

[uki]

another ineresting read... http://www.heartlandhealing.com/page...apy/index.html

[lycanox]

I would recommend to check whether or not its already on the market as a pill before drinking urine.

After all, Urine contains substances your body wants to get rid of for a reason.

[proffett]

If you can get past the awful background color and the amateur style web page, this link gives a good amount of information. It breaks down the urine into compounds which is nice for inquiring minds like mine.

http://www.vanderbilt.edu/AnS/psycho...ne_Therapy.htm

Lycanox, you would really recommend a pill? Tsk tsk. That's not homeopathy, that's buying into new age treatments, marketed to the masses for PROFIT, not healing.

[uki]

I would recommend to check whether or not its already on the market as a pill before drinking urine.

synthesized urokinase cause abnormal bleeding as a side effect...

After all, Urine contains substances your body wants to get rid of for a reason.

this is where you are wrong, the kidneys filter the blood of excess nutrients that are in the blood which are not required in the body at the time. the trace amounts of toxins in the urine act as antibodies when reingested... why don't you read through a few of the links before spouting propagated medical misinformation.

http://www.biocircuits.info/index_fi...inetherapy.htm

http://www.healthline.com/galecontent/urine-therapy

http://www.hps-online.com/hurine3.htm

http://www.shirleys-wellness-cafe.com/urine.htm

[proffett]

Uki, I have to spread some love before I can rep you for the above. Good research!

[lycanox]

Excess nutrients that are mostly salts and water.

The healthy elements in it are present in such low concentrations that there is practically nothing to gain from digesting it again. And the substances that are present in large enough quantities will accumulate when digested again and again and could lead to poisoning. Especially if ones uses medicines against other deceases.

Either drinking urine does nothing, or it does slowly poison you to dead.

[Skygirl]

If I'm out hiking and I get a cut or a scratch it gets the pee treatment. It also takes the itch out of insect bites.

[uki]

Excess nutrients that are mostly salts and water.

The healthy elements in it are present in such low concentrations that there is practically nothing to gain from digesting it again. And the substances that are present in large enough quantities will accumulate when digested again and again and could lead to poisoning. Especially if ones uses medicines against other deceases.

Either drinking urine does nothing, or it does slowly poison you to dead.

hey dorkwad... read the PDF here for starters... http://books.google.com/books?id=wDD...esult#PPA15,M1

and another read for those who are interested.

Drink water from your own cistern, flowing water from your own well. (The Book of Proverbs 5:15)*

But Rabshakeh said, Hath my master sent me to thy master and to thee to speak these words? hath he not sent me to the men that sit upon the wall, that they may eat their own dung, and drink their own piss with you? (Isaiah 36:12)* (See also 2 Kings 18:27)*

More than three million Chinese drink their own urine in the belief it is good for their health, according to the official Xinhua news agency.
Urine therapy refers to one of several uses of urine to prevent or cure sickness, to enhance beauty, or to cleanse one's bowels. Most devotees drink the midstream of their morning urine. Some prefer it straight and steaming hot; others mix it with juice or serve it over fruit. Some prefer a couple of urine drops mixed with a tablespoon of water applied sublingually several times a day. Some wash themselves in their own golden fluid to improve their skin quality. Many modern Japanese women are said to engage in urine bathing. The truly daring use their own urine as an enema. Urine is not quite the breakfast of champions, but it is the elixir of choice of a number of holy men in India where drinking urine has been practiced for thousands of years. The drink is also the preferred pick-me-up for a growing number of naturopaths and other advocates of "nature cures." The main attractions of this ultimate home brew are its cost, availability and portability. It is much cheaper than that other "water of life," whiskey (uisge beatha), which also has been hailed for its medicinal qualities. Unlike whiskey, however, urine is always available, everyone carries a supply at all times, and, for most people, there are no intoxicating side effects. Furthermore, the urge to overindulge is almost absent when drinking urine. The same can't be said for good single malt such as Highland Park or a good whiskey such as Black Bush.

Many advocates claim that urine is a panacea. There is practically nothing it won't cure. Urine is said to be effective against the flu, the common cold, broken bones, toothache, dry skin, psoriasis and all other skin problems. It is said to deter aging and is helpful with AIDS, allergies, animal and snake bites, asthma, heart disease, hypertension, burns, cancer, chemical intoxication, chicken pox, enteritis, constipation, and pneumonia. Urine is said to be effective against dysentery, edema, eczema, eye irritation, fatigue, fever, gonorrhea, gout, bloody urine, smallpox, immunological disorders, infections, infertility, baldness, insomnia, jaundice, hepatitis, Kaposi's sarcoma, leprosy, lymphatic disorder, urticaria, morning sickness, hangover, obesity, papilloma virus, parasitoses, gastric ulcer, rheumatism, birthmarks, stroke, congestion, lumbago, typhus, gastritis, depression, cold sore, tuberculosis, tetanus, Parkinson's disease, foot fungus, and diabetes and other endocrine related diseases. Some enthusiasts see urine therapy as a divine manifestation of cosmic intelligence. They use urine to unleash their kundalini, sending it straight into the third eye, bringing instant enlightenment.*

With such wondrous properties, it is amazing that science bothered developing medicine when it had the key to good health already in the bottle, so to speak. Each of us is a walking pharmacopoeia. Homer Smith (Man and His Gods) once wrote that "man is a machine for turning wine into urine." Little did he know that man is a machine for turning just about anything into a medicinal tonic. According to urninophiles, the medical establishment has conspired to keep us ignorant of the wonder drug we all carry in our bladders. One self-proclaimed expert on the subject claims

...the medical community has already been aware of [urine's] astounding efficacy for decades, and yet none of us has ever been told about it. Why? Maybe they think it's too controversial. Or maybe, more accurately, there wasn't any monetary reward for telling people what scientists know about one of the most extraordinary natural healing elements in the world.*

This is a common argument from defenders of alternative therapies: the greed of medical doctors leads them to conspire against chiropractors, chelation therapists, etc. The evidence for this conspiracy wouldn't fill a specimen beaker. Part of the alleged conspiracy to keep us ignorant of the wonders of our own wee wee is the fact that many people think urine is poisonous. Urine is generally not toxic and you will not die of uremic poisoning if you start your day off with a cup of your own golden fluid. However, it hardly seems fair to blame the medical establishment for the general public's ignorance on this matter. In any case, just because something is not toxic does not mean it is good for you. Hair is not toxic, either, and even though it might be a good source of roughage, it is generally not desirable to put hair in food.

Furthermore, while it is true that some of the constituents of urine are being used and tested for their potential or actual therapeutic value, it does not follow that drinking one's urine is therapeutic. It may be discovered that one of the chemicals in human urine is effective for fighting cancer. However, drinking one's own urine is not likely going to supply enough of any cancer-fighting substance to do any good. It is also true that some of the substances in urine are good for you. For example, if you are ingesting more vitamin C (a water soluble vitamin) than your body needs or can process, you will excrete it in your urine. It doesn't follow that drinking your urine is a good way to get vitamin C into your body. An orange or a tablet might be preferable. However, if you are urinating excess vitamin C, what do you think your body will do with the vitamin C you ingest with your urine? If you guessed that it would get rid of it, you guessed right. The reason your urine contains vitamins and minerals is that your body didn't need them or couldn't use them. You might as well pour water into a full glass as reuptake your excess vitamins and minerals. Even urea, which can be toxic in very high doses, occurs in such minute quantities in the average person's urine that there is very little chance of poisoning from drinking one's own urine.

Unfortunately, however, not everybody can just jump right in and start drinking their own urine without negative side effects. The Chinese Association of Urine Therapy1 warns that

Common symptoms include diarrhea, itch, pain, fatigue, soreness of the shoulder, fever, etc. These symptoms appear more frequently in patients suffering long term or more serious illnesses, and symptoms may repeat several times. Each episode may last 3-7 days, but sometimes it may last one month, or even worse over 6 months. It is a pity that many give up urine therapy because of such bad episode [sic]. Recovery reaction is just like the darkness before sunrise. If one persists and overcomes the difficulty, one can enjoy the eventual happiness of healthy life.
These same people advise that "All kinds of throat inflammation can be helped by gargling with urine to which a bit of saffron has been added" and "drinking one ounce of urine . . . is more beneficial to the average person than a fully staffed multi-billion dollar medical center." I was unable to find their evidence for these claims. Perhaps the evidence was produced at the First World Conference on Urine Therapy which took place in India in February 1996. Or maybe it came up in 1998 during the Second World Conference on Urine Therapy held in Germany.

religion and urine

The origin of this unusual practice seems to be certain religious rites among Hindus, where it is called amaroli in tantric religious traditions. The tantric tradition is known for flouting conventional behavior as a means of establishing the moral superiority of its practitioners. It is also possible that this practice is related to superstitions based on sympathetic magic. Since urine is emitted from the same bodily organ used in sex, perhaps it was thought that by drinking one's urine one was swallowing some sort of sexual energizer. In any case, it is unlikely that Indians some 4,000 years ago had scientific reasons for drinking their own urine.

In Siberia, some found drinking urine was a way to continue the hallucinogenic and spiritual effects of special mushrooms:

In many regions where the fly agaric was consumed, it was a very expensive article of trade-so expensive that frequently a tribesman traded a reindeer for one or two mushrooms. At certain times and in some areas, the mushrooms were naturally rare and hard to find. During the long Siberian winters, the more affluent tribesmen were able to store up supplies of the dried mushrooms in large quantities for winter consumption. The poorer individuals, none the less anxious to use the agaric, were often frustrated by the cost and limited supply of the plants.

Whether as a result of this scarcity or not, these people discovered that the urine of an intoxicated person was capable, when drunk, of inducing a similar intoxication in another individual. The effects from the urine are said to be only slightly less inebriating than of the dose of the mushroom itself. An early account of this curious practice states of the Koryaks that "when they make a feast, they pour water on some of these mushrooms and boil them. They then drink the liquor, which intoxicates them; the poorer sort, who cannot afford to lay in a store of these mushrooms, post themselves on these occasions round the huts of the rich and watch the opportunity of the guests coming down to make water and then hold a wooden bowl to receive the urine, which they drink off greedily, as having still some virtue of the mushroom in it; and by this way they also get drunk."

Not only is the urine of another person drunk but an individual may utilize his own urine, frequently still warm, thus prolonging the action of the original mushrooms or renewing their effect several times. A drunken Koryak may even carry his own urine with him on a reindeer trek to continue his intoxication as long as possible.*
This gives new meaning to the Beatle's line: "Get high with a little help from my friends."

blood, amniotic fluid, and urine

Another rather unscientific notion which seems to be accepted by urinophiles is that urine is really blood, since it is the byproduct of blood filtering by the kidneys. It is unlikely that if you need a blood transfusion that urine will work just as well.

Another misleading claim being made by urninophiles is that amniotic fluid is nothing but urine: fetal urine. If it is good for the fetus, it should be good for all of us. Here is what urine expert Martha Christy has to say on the subject:

. . . the amniotic fluid that surrounds human infants in the womb is primarily urine. Actually, the infant "breathes in" urine-filled amniotic fluid continually, and without this fluid, the lungs don't develop. Doctors also believe that the softness of baby skin and the ability of in-utero infants to heal quickly without scarring after pre-birth surgery is due to the therapeutic properties of the urine-filled amniotic fluid.
Some of the chemicals found in amniotic fluid are not going to be found in most urine samples. It is misleading, to say the least, to claim that amniotic fluid is "primarily" urine. It would be more accurate to say that they are both primarily water. I don't know what doctors she is talking about, but most parents will tell you that when their babies came out of the womb their skin was anything but beautiful. Comparisons to wrinkly prunes are quite common. So is comparison to one's skin after being in the swimming pool for a long time. The baby's skin becomes soft only after it has been out of its liquid environment for some time. There is a reason for that, according to Kim Kelly, a naturopathic doctor and nurse from Seattle. Newborns don't produce oil from their sebaceous glands until several weeks after their birth, which is why they often appear to have dry, flaky skin. Rather than amniotic fluid contributing to soft skin, according to Kelly, babies in the womb are protected by vernix, a creamy substance that serves as a barrier between the baby and the amniotic fluid. So, unless your urine is full of vernix, using it as a skin lotion is unlikely to work as a moisturizer.

the nature of urine

What is urine? Urine is usually yellow or clear, depending upon a person's health and diet. It usually has an ammonia-like odor due to the nitrogenous wastes that make up about 5% of the fluid (the remaining 95% is water). Certain foods can affect the odor, however. For example, asparagus breaks down into several sulfur-containing compounds that imparts a putrid odor upon excretion.*

Urine is a slightly acidic fluid which carries waste from the kidneys to the outside world. The kidneys have millions of nephrons which filter toxins, waste, ingested water and mineral salts out of the bloodstream. The kidneys regulate blood acidity by excreting excessive alkaline salts when necessary. The chief constituent of the nitrogenous wastes in urine is urea, a product of protein decomposition. Urea is, among other things, a diuretic. Average adult urine production is from one to two quarts a day. The bladder, where urine is stored for discharge, holds on average about 16-20 ounces of fluid, though the average discharge is about half that amount. In addition to uric acid, ammonia, and creatine, urine consists of many other waste products in minute quantities.

Being a waste product does not mean that a substance is toxic or harmful. It means that the body cannot absorb the substance at the present time. We might think of many of urine's constituents as if they were leftovers from a meal. We could throw the excess food away or we could eat it later after diluting it substantially with water and putting it in the blender. With urine, unfortunately, we cannot ingest waste products in the form they had when first ingested.

For most people most of the time, one's own urine is not likely to be harmful. However, it is not likely to be healthful or useful except for those rare occasions when one is buried beneath a building or lost at sea for a week or two. In such situations drinking one's own urine might be the difference between life and death. As a daily tonic, there are much tastier ways to introduce healthful products into one's blood stream.

[lycanox]

And has anyone actually managed to scientifically confirm the health benefits of drinking urine?
I fail to see how drinking urine could make someone healthier than they were prior from producing the urine. Let alone how it could potentially cure deceases like Aids.

The second article you post seems to agree with me on that.

This is a common argument from defenders of alternative therapies: the greed of medical doctors leads them to conspire against chiropractors, chelation therapists, etc. The evidence for this conspiracy wouldn't fill a specimen beaker. Part of the alleged conspiracy to keep us ignorant of the wonders of our own wee wee is the fact that many people think urine is poisonous. Urine is generally not toxic and you will not die of uremic poisoning if you start your day off with a cup of your own golden fluid. However, it hardly seems fair to blame the medical establishment for the general public's ignorance on this matter. In any case, just because something is not toxic does not mean it is good for you. Hair is not toxic, either, and even though it might be a good source of roughage, it is generally not desirable to put hair in food.

Furthermore, while it is true that some of the constituents of urine are being used and tested for their potential or actual therapeutic value, it does not follow that drinking one's urine is therapeutic. It may be discovered that one of the chemicals in human urine is effective for fighting cancer.UHowever, drinking one's own urine is not likely going to supply enough of any cancer-fighting substance to do any good. It is also true that some of the substances in urine are good for you. For example, if you are ingesting more vitamin C (a water soluble vitamin) than your body needs or can process, you will excrete it in your urine. It doesn't follow that drinking your urine is a good way to get vitamin C into your body. An orange or a tablet might be preferable. However, if you are urinating excess vitamin C, what do you think your body will do with the vitamin C you ingest with your urine? If you guessed that it would get rid of it, you guessed right. The reason your urine contains vitamins and minerals is that your body didn't need them or couldn't use them. You might as well pour water into a full glass as reuptake your excess vitamins and minerals. Even urea, which can be toxic in very high doses, occurs in such minute quantities in the average person's urine that there is very little chance of poisoning from drinking one's own urine.

Being a waste product does not mean that a substance is toxic or harmful. It means that the body cannot absorb the substance at the present time. We might think of many of urine's constituents as if they were leftovers from a meal. We could throw the excess food away or we could eat it later after diluting it substantially with water and putting it in the blender. With urine, unfortunately, we cannot ingest waste products in the form they had when first ingested

.

For most people most of the time, one's own urine is not likely to be harmful. However, it is not likely to be healthful or useful except for those rare occasions when one is buried beneath a building or lost at sea for a week or two. In such situations drinking one's own urine might be the difference between life and death. As a daily tonic, there are much tastier ways to introduce healthful products into one's blood stream.

[uki]

if it were not beneficial, why would the kidneys be the only source of the blood clot dissolver urokinase that big pharm has isolated and patented for use in medicines(expensive ones) for resale to people who need it? humans were around much longer than big pharm corporations... the reason i believe that there is so much taboo on the benefits of urine is again the propagation of dependency and keeping people sick in order to control them... according to a variety of sources, urine therapies have been used in many cultures for thousands of years... obviously there must be a reason for someone to drink their own piss for so long... to think that the body creates a super blood clot dissolver only through the proccess of excreting urine is something to ponder; obviously big pharm thinks it isn't a wasteful byproduct of the human bodily functions.

[lycanox]

if it were not beneficial, why would the kidneys be the only source of the blood clot dissolver urokinase that big pharm has isolated and patented for use in medicines(expensive ones) for resale to people who need it?

Our bowels also produce various vitamins that are vital for our body and are only created there. However I dont see people advocating eating poop.

Besides 90 percent of all urine produced in the kidney gets absorbed back in the body before reaching the blatter so that it does not loose too much water. (The body easily can create around 40 liters of urine each day.)
The clot disolver will be usupered back in the body taking that very same path. And does not need to be drinked so that it can be usefull for the body.

humans were around much longer than big pharm corporations...
the reason i believe that there is so much taboo on the benefits of urine is again the propagation of dependency and keeping people sick in order to control them...

Humans also sticked around on the planet much longer than the usual 30 years thanks to medical science.

according to a variety of sources, urine therapies have been used in many cultures for thousands of years... obviously there must be a reason for someone to drink their own piss for so long...

Ancients cultures have also eaten other people for a long time in history. Often resulting in their own dead due to various deceases.

to think that the body creates a super blood clot dissolver only through the proccess of excreting urine is something to ponder; obviously big pharm thinks it isn't a wasteful byproduct of the human bodily functions.

Whish is why we produce pills. So that you dont need to drink more than 40 liters of urine each day to get an meaningfull dosis inside the body.
Incase natural production fails.

[sweetvelocity]

Eating pooh would be a bad idea. Urine is steril where as pooh is full of bacteria that your body is getting rid of. Native Americans drank their own urine and some still do. But I have never heard of any sane person eating their own crap.

[uki]

But I have never heard of any sane person eating their own crap.

exactly... because waste exits thru the asshole... lycanox attempts to use botched logic as a logical and justifiable answer, but he fails miserably most of the time.

[lycanox]

And what would be the difference. Both the holes are intended to be exit points for waste products.

Feces has a million times more nutriental value than Urine. Yet according to you eating it is taboo. While drinking Urine, whish has absolutely not more nutriental value than common household water, is Ok?

Dont forget that while there actually are species on this planet that eat fecal material to stay alive. There are no species that drink urine.

[uki]

And what would be the difference. Both the holes are intended to be exit points for waste products.

how do you know for sure? waste is most definitely eliminated through the anus, but what if urine is the bodies medical byproduct intended to be reused when needed? perhaps another function of the kidneys is to create medicinal byproducts by filtering out the excess nutrients in the blood, aswell as creating new ones?

Feces has a million times more nutriental value than Urine.

i'll play your game here... proof please?

Yet according to you eating it is taboo.

perhaps it is supposed to be used to fertilize the soil in order to grow healthier crops for human consumption?

While drinking Urine, whish has absolutely not more nutriental value than common household water, is Ok?

does tap water have urokinase in it? where is your proof that urine is not nutritional? please tell us where you inform yourself with this assumption...

Dont forget that while there actually are species on this planet that eat fecal material to stay alive.

what species, if you will?

There are no species that drink urine.

so you are implying that homo sapiens is not a species? interesting... seems like some cultures continue the practice even to this day...

nice try dorkwad.

[lycanox]

how do you know for sure? waste is most definitely eliminated through the anus, but what if urine is the bodies medical byproduct intended to be reused when needed? perhaps another function of the kidneys is to create medicinal byproducts by filtering out the excess nutrients in the blood, aswell as creating new ones?

Again, what the body needs back from the created urine is already usupered back into the bloodstream before exiting the kidneys.

And again, Urine has not more nutriental value than water.

i'll play your game here... proof please?

Proof what, that feces is nothing more than food that couldnt be digested the first time, and contains vitamins produced by bowel bacteria that werent absorbed into the body.

Just eat lot of mais and you see what I mean.

perhaps it is supposed to be used to fertilize the soil in order to grow healthier crops for human consumption?

So does urine.

does tap water have urokinase in it? where is your proof that urine is not nutritional? please tell us where you inform yourself with this assumption...

Well for starters, the article that you supplies suggests that very claim.

Urine concists of 99% water.
For the rest it mostly contains chemicals that your body wants to get rist off. The amounts of substances that are of any use are too low to be of any use. You would have to drink liters of urine before it has any gain.

And again, an healty body has enough of those substances already in their blood. Thus does not require additional intake.

what species, if you will?

How about the hamster.

so you are implying that homo sapiens is not a species? interesting... seems like some cultures continue the practice even to this day...

Homo sapiens does also not drink urine from nature.

[uki]

some more info... it seems that drinking urine for health purposes has been practiced for thousands of years...

http://guardians-of-the-earth.blogsp...e-therapy.html

http://yoga.omgyan.com/cure/Urine-Therapy.html

http://www.garynull.com/documents/sp...ne_therapy.htm

http://www.innerself.com/Health/urine.htm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_I7Cj6tRXmE

http://www.detox.net.au/articles/det...-shivambu.html

[lycanox]

By religions and other vague traditions. Not by humans as part of a normal dinner.
Outside those religions or vague New Age groups there is no mention of it.

You can similary argue that we should start canibalism. Paint our skin with lead. Or human sacrifices. Becouse cultures also did that for thousands of years.

[Goldmoon]

The tribe of the Koryaks used to drink their own urine because the muscimol contained in amanitas muscaria does not metabolize in the body, therefore it was a continuous high, or spiritual experience. And yes, I have found and eaten amanitas on many occasions, though I no longer do, but I would never drink my urine.

[olddragon]

So, would this be considered a drinking fountain?

[Goldmoon]

If he had consumed amanitas, it would be for the Koryaks, they also drank each other's urine... Gross.

But before eating amanitas, it is wise too cook them slowly and dry them. If you do want to eat them, look up a cooking guide first and don't eat too many, don't want anyone getting killed from a high concentration of ibotenic acid.

Once cooked in this way, the ibotenic acid (bad stuff) is converted to muscimol (the good stuff), rather than it happening in your stomach.

[Nu Kua]

If he had consumed amanitas, it would be for the Koryaks, they also drank each other's urine... Gross.

But before eating amanitas, it is wise too cook them slowly and dry them. If you do want to eat them, look up a cooking guide first and don't eat too many, don't want anyone getting killed from a high concentration of ibotenic acid.

Once cooked in this way, the ibotenic acid (bad stuff) is converted to muscimol (the good stuff), rather than it happening in your stomach.

I've found that the first flush is the least likely to cause negative physical effects, and to take just the red skin helps this as well. We have oven dried and air dried them, and air drying seems to be the best route.

We've had success placing a sliver or two of the dried skin atop a bowl of smoke, finding it is a remedy for cotton mouth. (You know how digested, amanitas cause the mouth to water.) Problem with that is they taste horrible when smoked. Really terrible, they taste like valerian smells. I'd rather just have cotton mouth.

As for the safe ones, most people do not have anything other than a very uncomfortable physical reaction from the orange-red skinned ones, but the yellow skinned ones have caused a more serious negative reaction in more people. Also, the yellow ones grow right along with the amanita Death Caps, and when they are young, it is hard to tell them apart.
So the best bet for experimenting with journey's via the amanita is- stay away from the yellows- far away; use only the first flush, take only the skin, and dry before using.
I've had some enlightening times with amanita since then, and some a little too intense. I think I am done with them for now, but will always appreciate the journeys I've had.


There is a post at Erowid.org I wrote about an experience with amanita gravy. Look it up. :-) This was an early experience, before I knew better.

I really have nothing to say about urine other than, I'm not drinking it unless in a survival situation, and that's after properly filtered. It only makes sense that something the body excretes does not need to be put back into the body as food. I have heard it is good for use externally, for cuts and such, as well as jellyfish stings.