Do you think Yellowstone is a terrorist target?

[Dude12]

Do you think Yellowstone is a terrorist target?

[lotrfan55345]

There is too much we dont know about it, and no-one even knows about yellowstone anyways.

Maybe

[north3rncommand0]

Yellowstone might be a terrorist target in the summer when everybody's there, but beyond that, I really can't see any reason why it makes a terrorist target.

[lazserus]

What could terrorists possibly do to Yellowstone?

[playmaker88]

I mentioned this previously in a discussion about La Palma being a target. After the cold war ended and the collapse of the former Soviet Union, there were rumours that nuclear materials became available to terrorist organisations on the black market. It is only a matter of time before a terrorist organisation unleashes a weapon of major destructive power.

A big city would be the most likely target, Washington DC or London for instance but if they released one of these things at Yellowstone, they could take the world to the brink in one go.

Some say it would be a waste of time and that a city is a far safer bet but if you hit Yellowstone in peak holiday time, that's an awful lot of people, the security probably isn't quite as tight as the big city and you may just hit the jackpot. These sicko's don't give a flyer about themselves or their families, if they could take it all they'd risk it. An atomic explosion at ground level would create one hell of a crater and maybe stoke up the fire.

[playmaker88]

Despite my misgivings in the former post I still put NO on the poll. I was just stating that it was a possibility.

[lotrfan55345]

I would think they would nuke the oceans (if they were smart enough) near the continental shelf. They could cause a tsunami that way. La Palma is too unsure for their precious nucular weapons.

They could also contaminate the water supply if the cities near them use distillation plants for their water supply.

[playmaker88]

Sorry LOTR, I didn't make myself clear about my reference to the La Palma threat. During that thread someone else suggested that La Palma might be seen as a target but I said that Yellowstone would be a more useful option at high season because of the sheer visitor numbers to the park. If they were successful they could come very close to wiping humans off the planet but even in failure they would take a large number of mainly US citizens with them.

I agree that La Palma would be too much of a risk to waste such a weapon. Although I must admit that the tidal wave caused by La Palma would be a danger mainly to the East coast of the USA and Western Europe.

[VegasRonin]

You guys do know that several atomic weapons have been detonated in the oceans without tidal waves and tsunamis forming, don't ya?

[mickydoolittle]

ronin: sssshhhh! It's funnier to read their funny little theories.

[Defiant Noquisi]

It does bring a chuckle doesnt it?

[playmaker88]

Who is talking about a nuke causing a tidal wave?

We're talking about a nuke causing part of the island of La Palma to slip into the ocean, thus causing a tidal wave. It must be so enlightening just drifting around on here taking the piss out of everyones posts.

I wish my life could be as fulfilling as yours.

[MacRasta]

Who is talking about a nuke causing a tidal wave?

To answer your question, I quote Lotrfan :

I would think they would nuke the oceans (if they were smart enough) near the continental shelf. They could cause a tsunami that way.

For your info, Playmaker, you posted a msg right after Lotr's msg, did you read that?

Ahem.....Piss Piss Piss Piss

[playmaker88]

Yes and Ronin mentions THEIR funny little theories, implying more than just one person Mac. I am the one talking specifically about tidal waves, the person I am in conversation with is talking about pollution of the ocean as well, so what is your point?

[MacRasta]

You want my point?

Ok, my point is that I put some piss in my message for you to take out. That way everybody's happy.

Mac

[Ghostrider ESP]

Does it get this hostile often? Do you boys like to play rough?
The main gist of this discussion seems to involve terrorists and nuclear weapons. Any real reason for this?

[playmaker88]

http://www.fpri.org/enotes/russia.20...smuggling.html

http://www.nyu.edu/globalbeat/nuclear/FPRI042701.html

http://www.fas.org/irp/congress/1995...terror-wmd.htm

http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2002/cfr/stories/nukes/

Are just a few links that might help answer your first question. Keep posting.

[lotrfan55345]

Do you boys like to play rough?
The main gist of this discussion seems to involve terrorists and nuclear weapons. Any real reason for this?

Makes people feel "special" inside.

You guys do know that several atomic weapons have been detonated in the oceans without tidal waves and tsunamis forming, don't ya?

Really? Where? How did the people living near it deal with the contaminated waters?

[Marajadex]

I will have to look it up for more specific information. I believe Atomic bombs were set off at atolls. The Bikini Atoll comes to mind. There have been stories about mutated fish and sea life.

Lotr I will let you know if I find anything out more specific. I'm sure there are smarter people than I on this site who can enlighten both of us.

[VegasRonin]

Yes and Ronin mentions THEIR funny little theories, implying more than just one person Mac.

Uh playmaker88, you're quoting someone else Buddy. I suggest you go back and reread the posts. I have faith in you, that this is an honest mistake. Don't make a habit out of it.

[playmaker88]

Yeh, you got me, it was Micky who was responding to yours who I was supposed to have quoted. Concentration never was one of my strong points. Apologies to all, time to get off my high-horse, no harm intended. Playmaker will take it easy and stop biting. Good post about the multiple event theory Ronin.

[VegasRonin]

Apologies to all, time to get off my high-horse, no harm intended. Playmaker will take it easy and stop biting. Good post about the multiple event theory Ronin.

I knew you were stand-up type of guy.

[MacRasta]

No need to get off your high horse for me, playmaker, like your links. You're entitled to know why I responded to you in such manner.

I mentioned this previously in a discussion about La Palma being a target. After the cold war ended and the collapse of the former Soviet Union, there were rumours that nuclear materials became available to terrorist organisations on the black market. It is only a matter of time before a terrorist organisation unleashes a weapon of major destructive power.

You should have started a thread like : Nuclear terrorism, what targets?
Is much more interesting than this thread. In my opinion there have been enough threads or posts like this one, so DUDE12, you started it, where are you? What do you think? Why did you start this thread?

Regarding the piss : I'm not a native English speaker, "taking the piss out of someones posts" seems so funny to me, that I couldn't resist putting some piss in it

[MR.G]

During the cold war the THOUSANDS of nukes were detonated. The USA, Britain/Australia, France, Russia and Isreal/S.Africa tested nukes in the ocean, in space, in the lower atmosphere and the stratosphere, in the ground and on the ground. The Soviets considered local populations a good indicator of fallout effects. The USA used mine shafts in some cases, in areas that you'd consider right around the corner today. France repeatedly popped their bombs despite protests and confrontations with people who were forcibly removed from islands for the tests. Other than raising background radiation on the earth to the equivalent of everybody getting one more chest Xray there was very little damage.

One of the nastiest incidents happened when a Japanese fishing fleet didn't believe there was going to be a test and got too close to one test. Just about everybody got burned and they had to dump their fish cuz of contamination. There were a couple of incidents in Alamogordo too where ground tests blew radiation into the air and it blew downwind and dusted some Holloywood types making a "western" in the desert. John Wayne eventually died of cancer which his wife always claimed was from getting dusted during the film making in Nevada.

There has never been a report of ANY kind of Tsunami even when they were trying to make one.

Could a nuke, properly placed and yielding enough energy crack
LaPalma or Yellowstone. WTF knows. It would very likely take a MAJOR drilling operation to get the nuke(s) to the right depth to be able to crack the rock at just the right depth. Is there any area in Yellowstone where a bunch of guys dressed in head scarves and taking breaks 5 times a day and kneeling towards Mecca could drill for a couple of weeks and not be noticed? There are teams of vulcanologists working all the time there and LaPalma. I would imagine somebody would notice something going on and get suspicious. Then again there's dumb luck. Like I said WTF knows.

Overall I'd vote NO on the poll. The incredible energies released during a volcanic eruption make a hydrogen bomb look like a firecracker taped to the side of a 2,000LB bomb. Insignificant!

[Marajadex]

The Discovery Times Channel Has a program:

Stockpile: Nuclear Menace
60 mins.

Martin Sheen narrates this examination of Cold War nuclear-weapons projects in the U.S. and Russia, including nuclear-weapons research labs in Los Alamos, N.M., and Arzamas-16, near Moscow. Part 1 of two. Also: a chronology of events in nuclear-weapons development.

Release Year: 2001

It took a little looking at discovery.com to find the TV listings for the show. Looks like it will be aired several more times. It was pretty interesting and gave alot of information about nuclear testing.